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[Himu]

The opinion section isn't something I take seriously but I love contrasting WSJ's opinion section with WaPo's. It's like Fox News vs MSNBC and it's glorious.

When I look for opinions I read David Brooks da gawd.

[benjipwns]

When I look for opinions I read David Brooks da gawd.

You've gone too far.

[Mandark]

It's sort of weird to write a story on the polarization of gun politics in 2018 with the NRA at the center and not even touch on the NRA's embrace of the right wing of the culture war.

Similar to chin-scratchers about young American Jews not having a strong attachment to Israel that leave out Bibi and the fairly blatant abandonment of the peace process.

[Himu]

When I look for opinions I read David Brooks da gawd.

You've gone too far.

Brooks knows full well that both pots are poisoned and tainted and that the only way forward is for an independent to unite America.

[Mandark]

what would be the funniest ideological hat for Cindi to try on next?

I want to say either Eisenhower Republican or DLC Democrat, cause they're so incompatible with the level of passion we've come to expect.

guys, it's time to shower me with likes

[benjipwns]

Yeah, there's a kerfuffle from time to time in libertarian circles over the NRA's embrace of the culture war. I know of a few who dropped them over the NRA going after violent video games for example. Majority opinion of my sample seem to mostly keep the membership because it's free, more trouble to drop than keep, and gun ranges/etc. give discounts or require the membership card. It's become quite similar to the AARP in a lot of ways rather than a specific gun rights thing.

I think I noted to Cindi before that the NRA opposed the McDonald and Heller cases, the Gun Owners of America and Second Amendment Foundation I think were the gun-associated groups pushing those. They tend to be more focused solely on guns or at least gun adjacent cases. IIRC, the NRA even filed a brief against the Court taking up Heller out of fear regarding the outcome. That's what helped motivate a lot of animus towards it and in favor of the other groups.

[benjipwns]

obligatory David Brooks as a stupid (but I repeat myself) self-identified social democrat during his student years in a Milton Friedman special:

[Himu]

It's sort of weird to write a story on the polarization of gun politics in 2018 with the NRA at the center and not even touch on the NRA's embrace of the right wing of the culture war.

Similar to chin-scratchers about young American Jews not having a strong attachment to Israel that leave out Bibi and the fairly blatant abandonment of the peace process.

It's a self made prophecy. Democrats leave gun rights off the table, which forces NRA to embrace the right. As a gun rights org, that is - or should - be their priority. But this embrace of the right goes beyond guns - giving Ajit Pai a reward for going against net neutrality for instance - and includes conservative politics, which pushes away democrats that would support gun rights. NRA harms gun rights in a big way because of their bs that has nothing to do with gun rights. Many people want NRA to leave the politics out and just fight for gun rights. There's two opinions on how people think this should be done: fight for it from within (what I support), or leave the NRA and send a message that way.

That said, the circumstance you bring up has no relevance to the article in question. NRA rates politicians based on their gun stances and they tell their members who to vote for. That's the only relevance to the topic of Democrat gun support and the NRA the article needs. Its slide into conservative politics is kind of besides the point.

[Kara]

I can't remember the quote verbatim, but it's something to the effect of "the Wall Street Journal is what people who don't interact with the bourgeoisie read to think they're tapping into the bourgeoisie; bourgeois and socialists read the Financial Times."

@Cindi Gun control is not that controversial a position in socialism if you count reformist camps as socialists. It's definitely a fault line between them and revsocs.

[Himu]

Yeah, there's a kerfuffle from time to time in libertarian circles over the NRA's embrace of the culture war. I know of a few who dropped them over the NRA going after violent video games for example. Majority opinion of my sample seem to mostly keep the membership because it's free, more trouble to drop than keep, and gun ranges/etc. give discounts or require the membership card. It's become quite similar to the AARP in a lot of ways rather than a specific gun rights thing.

I think I noted to Cindi before that the NRA opposed the McDonald and Heller cases, the Gun Owners of America and Second Amendment Foundation I think were the gun-associated groups pushing those. They tend to be more focused solely on guns or at least gun adjacent cases. IIRC, the NRA even filed a brief against the Court taking up Heller out of fear regarding the outcome. That's what helped motivate a lot of animus towards it and in favor of the other groups.

I am a member of SFA as well as NRA. BTW, GOA is far more conservative than NRA.

[Mandark]

That said, the circumstance you bring up has no relevance to the article in question.

The more the NRA weds itself to conservative cultural politics, the less incentive centrist Dems have to seek their approval.

[benjipwns]

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[Himu]

I can't remember the quote verbatim, but it's something to the effect of "the Wall Street Journal is what people who don't interact with the bourgeoisie read to think they're tapping into the bourgeoisie; bourgeois and socialists read the Financial Times."

@Cindi Gun control is not that controversial a position in socialism if you count reformist camps as socialists. It's definitely a fault line between them and revsocs.

I read WSJ and FT. WSJ is kind of okay-ish when reading about the market. FT is better for that. WSJ has the benefit of being American and thereby having a more localized take on certain issues as well as world class reporting.

I subscribe to WSJ (paper), Houston Chronicle (paper), FT (online but want paper but it's so damn expensive), and WaPo. FT is probably my favorite of the bunch because of it's the least biased. I might drop the Chronicle paper for FT paper. IDK.

[Kara]

Is GOA in your will?

It was in Estado Novo's and look how that turned out.

[Himu]

That said, the circumstance you bring up has no relevance to the article in question.

The more the NRA weds itself to conservative cultural politics, the less incentive centrist Dems have to seek their approval.

I don't think many centrist dems care about seeking the NRA's approval. Too many Democrats frame it as if the NRA has bought these politicians, when generally they rate the politician based on their stances already. What gives the NRA power isn't donations. The NRA donates a paltry amount. Its power is in its membership mobilization. They tell the members who to vote for and who is good for gun rights. Whether someone supports the NRA or not is irrelevant. They will rate you no matter what, whether you approve of them or not. Never mind that you can support guns and not give a fuck what the NRA thinks. A centrist Demo would know how the NRA works, and certainly wouldn't change their mind on guns because of Michael Moore FUD or because the NRA's slide in conservatisms cold embrace.

[Mandark]

You're missing the point.

[Himu]

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2018/08/13/wheres-the-blue-wave-voter-data-show-florida-democrats-arent-surging-555957



Get fucked, Dems.

The next battle on the frontlines And the place where Democrats decided it wasn't worth campaigning at during the last presidential election while riding on the backs of minorities. Will be good entertainment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/blue-wave-to-be-tested-in-key-midwestern-primaries/2018/08/14/caaef000-9f7a-11e8-a3dd-2a1991f075d5_story.html?utm_term=.c0d68044c575

[Kara]

I read WSJ and FT. WSJ is kind of okay-ish when reading about the market. FT is better for that. WSJ has the benefit of being American and thereby having a more localized take on certain issues as well as world class reporting.

I subscribe to WSJ (paper), Houston Chronicle (paper), FT (online but want paper but it's so damn expensive), and WaPo. FT is probably my favorite of the bunch because of it's the least biased. I might drop the Chronicle paper for FT paper. IDK.

Unless you live in the sticks I always recommend subscribing to the local business journal. It's usually more informative than the local paper (excepting certain major metros).

A Tax Notes subscription sort of broke my brain when it comes to pricing periodical subscriptions, but I can empathize with having to juggle newspaper subscriptions.

[Himu]

I read WSJ and FT. WSJ is kind of okay-ish when reading about the market. FT is better for that. WSJ has the benefit of being American and thereby having a more localized take on certain issues as well as world class reporting.

I subscribe to WSJ (paper), Houston Chronicle (paper), FT (online but want paper but it's so damn expensive), and WaPo. FT is probably my favorite of the bunch because of it's the least biased. I might drop the Chronicle paper for FT paper. IDK.

Unless you live in the sticks I always recommend subscribing to the local business journal. It's usually more informative than the local paper (excepting certain major metros).

A Tax Notes subscription sort of broke my brain when it comes to pricing periodical subscriptions, but I can empathize with having to juggle newspaper subscriptions.

Would this be it?

https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/

[Mandark]

Cindi, do you actually think the GOP is going to pick up seats in the House?

[Kara]

Would this be it?

https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/

Looks like it? There's usually just 1 in a city.

[Himu]

Cindi, do you actually think the GOP is going to pick up seats in the House?

They'll lose some. I just hope it's not as many as projected.

[Trent Dole]

(As of 07/10/2018)
Republicans     236
Democrats       193
Vacancies          6*

43 seats is a pretty huge disparity, goddamn. The GOP could weather a pretty massive slaughter and still come out ahead.

[benjipwns]

Really, the D's need to get state legislatures and state governorships more than grab either House currently. With Trump in the White House, a change in the House won't be as important as being able to redistrict on their terms, or at least not GOP terms, for 2022-2030. That was where the R's took the D's to the woodshed 2010 and subsequently propped themselves up to survive 2012, hold on 2014 and 2016.

Trump and Congress wasting a lot of time trying to come to agreements takes some of the issues away that one-party rule often begets, especially if the gap is tight in both houses. A 50/50 Senate should be seen as a win even though it leaves the GOP in charge because it means they can't lose a vote. Plus McCain is essentially a non-seat voting-wise, only for control.

[Mandark]

Would still rather flip one of the chambers just to keep the GOP from taking another swing at healthcare.

[benjipwns]

Health care might be a non-starter depending on what the House and Trump each want. 2020 has Cory Gardner, David Perdue, Joni Ernst, Thom Thillis and Bill Cassidy from the 2014 class. It also has Jim Inhofe, Mitch McConnell, Pat Roberts, and Lamar Alexander in the elderly camp. Plus Susan Collins. Seems like it might mean more around the edges tweaking than any major changes.

Other than Doug Jones and possibly Mark Warner, the D seats look safe. In part because so many of them got smashed in 2014 when the GOP ran the table.

D's might want to focus not on going all in to win big name stuff at the top in 2018 but...

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Yes, I tortured the metaphor and discarded possibilities specifically to use this clip.

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[benjipwns]

I admit that the D's failing to get the House is the more interesting story to me. R's will have their little fight between Gym Jordan and the "Ryan" camp and whoever else, but then mostly fall in line. But if the D's come up short for the fourth time in a row, there's gotta be a revolt against Pelosi/Hoyer.

MSNBC's waging a war on women Speakers:

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JONTHAN CAPEHART, MSNBC: Why not, if the Democrats take back the House, give up the gavel, and give it to a new generation of leaders?

REP. NANCY PELOSI: I know NBC has been on a jag, this is one of their priorities, to undermine my prospects as Speaker, but putting that aside. I have not asked one person for a vote. I have not asked one candidate or incumbent for a vote. I, better than anybody, know how important it is for us to win this election because I see up close and personal what the Republicans and this president are doing.

I do not think we should let our opponents, the Republicans, pick our leaders. The Republicans are spending millions, tens of millions of dollars, against me. Because they're afraid of me because I outraise them in the political arena, I outsmart them at the negotiating table, and because I'm a woman who is going to be a seat at that table.

That is very important to me. If Hillary Clinton had won and had sat at the head of that table it would be different, but I am not yielding that. None of us is indispensable, but I think I am the best person for the job.

Also, Joy Reid herself has totally been hacked and now looks like some random black dude. Why is nobody talking about this?!?

[Mandark]

Axios had a story on ACA repeal in the event that the GOP keeps both chambers, and those guys are as plugged in as anyone.

Never underestimate the Republican love of block grants and work requirements.

[benjipwns]

I should admit I've gone a bit num on the whole "repeal and/or replace" especially after the big move anyone came up with was Ted Cruz's Green Eggs and Ham stunt. Trump hasn't even really gone ham on the executive orders he could have, which actually has surprised me more than most things he's done.

Plus doubts about the insurance companies wanting to overhaul the system yet again after less than five years.

Trust in the deep state military-industrial-corporate-academic complex.

[Oblivion]

Cindi, do you actually think the GOP is going to pick up seats in the House?

They'll lose some. I just hope it's not as many as projected.

man you suck

[Nintex]

The GOP will win.

You don't cancel a good show mid season

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1029183344397955074

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1029185314752000007

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[chronovore]

Omarosa will be the one who takes down Trump.  He finally has a nemesis as shameless and willing to lie as he is.

I'm no expert but it potentially seems like one problem with hiring people simply because "they look good" on TV/Fox and Friends/etc. Although The Mooch is likely the exception that proves the rule.

I still want to see the J Allard transformation of John Bolton 

"John, tremendous job on Iran, we can start this war but first you have to look the part.... believe me John, no one wearing a mustache has ever started a war and won it"

[kingv]

Omarosa is absolutely an insane person. She must have been taping every moment of her day. But then, the crazy part is she’s then saving it and cataloguing it.

How else on earth can she pull up tapes of Trump someone saying the tape exists like 8 hours after trump denies it.

[Nintex]

Omarosa is absolutely an insane person. She must have been taping every moment of her day. But then, the crazy part is she’s then saving it and cataloguing it.

How else on earth can she pull up tapes of Trump someone saying the tape exists like 8 hours after trump denies it.

Because it is all part of the plan script 

[VomKriege]

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/kellyanne-conway-white-house-staff/index.html

That one black friend advisor.

[kingv]

Manafort defense rested without calling a single witness or presenting a single piece of evidence.

 

[Kara]

(As of 07/10/2018)
Republicans     236
Democrats       193
Vacancies          6*

43 seats is a pretty huge disparity, goddamn. The GOP could weather a pretty massive slaughter and still come out ahead.

The last 2 times it happened (1996 and 2012) were presidential elections; midterm elections are invaluable in propping up the myth that the federal government is remotely representative (heh).

[agrajag]

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/kellyanne-conway-white-house-staff/index.html

That one black friend advisor.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-audio-omarosa-trump-campaign-aides-apparently-discussing-fallout-of-n-word/

The Omarosa saga continues

 

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Manafort defense rested without calling a single witness or presenting a single piece of evidence.

 

[Nintex]

Aww Yiss 

[Himu]

Omarosa

[studyguy]

NYT Opinion| TRUMP'S VOCABULARY HAS BEEN SHAPED BY HIS NYC URBAN ROOTS, HERE'S WHY IT'S OKAY HE CALLED OMAROSA....
 

[Himu]

WSJ Opinion| TRUMP'S VOCABULARY HAS BEEN SHAPED BY HIS NYC URBAN ROOTS, HERE'S WHY IT'S OKAY HE CALLED OMAROSA....
 

Fixed for you

[studyguy]

https://twitter.com/edhenry/status/1029402732329885696
 The defense for this coming out all guns blazing is hilarious.


Also that Qanon people sound like the net is closing around them.
Can't wait for the 400lb man in the basement to be found for this one.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/KatrinaPierson/status/1029384648437235713

 

[Great Rumbler]

Roger Stone is about to get got:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/mueller-homes-in-on-stone-combs-through-his-emails

[studyguy]

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1029413051987099648
Glad to see states getting resourceful, you already got hundreds of thousands suffering opioid addictions, time to hop on the bandwagon!

[Nintex]

Roger Stone is about to get got:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/mueller-homes-in-on-stone-combs-through-his-emails

Stone reportedly sent Credico a string of threatening emails when he spoke out disputing Stone’s account. One such missive reads: “I am so ready. Let’s get it on. Prepare to die cock sucker.”

Stone says that that particular email was not a threat, but a message of support when he heard that Credico had been diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer.

Credico says he has never had nor said he had prostate cancer.

[agrajag]

I hate CNN

[studyguy]

tbf, who among you hasn't told a friend to eat a dick when they tell you they're dying of cancer 

[Kara]

Glad to see states getting resourceful, you already got hundreds of thousands suffering opioid addictions, time to hop on the bandwagon!

Got to get the Sacklers more money I guess.

[agrajag]

tbf, who among you hasn't told a friend to eat a dick when they tell you they're dying of cancer 

Also that Qanon people sound like the net is closing around them.
Can't wait for the 400lb man

Context? Did hungrynub get got?

[studyguy]

tbf, who among you hasn't told a friend to eat a dick when they tell you they're dying of cancer 

Also that Qanon people sound like the net is closing around them.
Can't wait for the 400lb man

Context? Did hungrynub get got?

Someone got caught livestreaming what I assume is using the tripcode.

The most damning evidence includes a video of Rogers on his livestream that many claim show him logging in to post as Q accidentally.

Also today is wild.

https://twitter.com/abbydphillip/status/1029406722539089920

[Nintex]

tbf, who among you hasn't told a friend to eat a dick when they tell you they're dying of cancer 

Also that Qanon people sound like the net is closing around them.
Can't wait for the 400lb man

Context? Did hungrynub get got?

Q might be two streamers trying to get more followers by creating the Q bandwagon
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-theorists-took-q-sparked-qanon-n900531

Do note that Q obviously warned that there would be an article to discredit him/her and fake Q's would claim they were the real deal. 

[agrajag]

I bet Omarosa has more tapes

#releasethetapesOmarosa

[Nintex]

Paul Manafort should not be jailed.
He should get a movie deal and tell DiCaprio how to best play him.

It would be like Requiem for a Dream but for political lobbying.

[kingv]

It seems to me that those youtubers are definitely “Q”.

[paprikastaude]

Omar(osa) is comin

[zomgee]

It was mi abuela all this time:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/08/13/trump_tower_meeting_looks_increasingly_like_a_setup.html

The June 2016 Trump Tower meeting between high-ranking members of the Republican presidential  campaign staff and a Russian lawyer with Kremlin ties remains the cornerstone of claims that Donald Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election.

A growing body of evidence, however, indicates that the meeting may have been a setup -- part of a broad effort to tarnish the Trump campaign involving Hillary Clinton operatives employed by Kremlin-linked figures and Department of Justice officials.

[TakingBackSunday]

uhhhh??