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« Reply #2940 on: January 31, 2017, 04:33:48 PM »
I don't think even most liberals want guns eliminated completely, they just want sensible gun-control/gun-safety measures to be put in place rather than a free-for-all gun bonanza.

I'd be all for adding into that platform a gun buyback ala Australia, though I know that is just a pipe dream. I'm fine settling for a reasonable structure around new purchases.

But the supply side of guns is an issue that IMO shouldn't be ignored. Hard to take a bite out of gun death when there are basically as many guns in this country as there are people. Hard to set that price equilibrium to a place high enough on the black market where the price of the firearm becomes out of reach for most criminals with that many guns around.


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« Reply #2941 on: January 31, 2017, 04:37:38 PM »
lol @ thinking the firing of Yates is a story or lacks ample precedent

also:

Trump continues Obama order protecting LGBTQ federal workers

Looking forward to people taking back what they said.
I'll wait.

Taking back what they said about what?

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« Reply #2942 on: January 31, 2017, 04:49:52 PM »
What exactly do you expect Democrats to do here? They're stalling the full vote on Price and Mnuchin as much as they can to try to dig up more dirt, but that's not going to last much longer. And they can't outright filibuster on cabinet positions.

Sit on the floor and refuse to let the proceedings continue.



New rumors that Trump is going to start banning more immigrants and such.

Good.

Fuck every immigrant who supported Trump. Maybe when your children and ripped away from you and your grandmother is deported you'll reconsider ever voting R again

With such compassion, I can't imagine how anyone wouldn't find modern American liberalism appealing.


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« Reply #2943 on: January 31, 2017, 04:53:26 PM »
Also seems like the one shred of hope I had for Trump doing something decent was killed off today:


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After meeting with pharma lobbyists, Trump drops promise to negotiate drug prices

Today, after a meeting with pharmaceutical industry lobbyists and executives, he abandoned that pledge, referring to an idea he supported as recently as three weeks ago as a form of “price fixing” that would hurt “smaller, younger companies.” Instead of getting tough, Trump’s new plan is that he’s “going to be lowering taxes” and “getting rid of regulations.”

New drugs are generally covered by patent monopolies, so drug companies have a lot of pricing power; other companies can’t produce the same drug without paying royalties, so there’s little competition. But most countries use their nationalized health care systems to negotiate a good deal on drug prices. Manufacturing pills is cheap, so it’s usually still profitable for a company to sell medicine at a pretty steep discount.

The United States doesn’t have a nationalized health care system, but we do have Medicare for senior citizens, and since the USA is a very large country, that’s still a huge potential bulk purchaser. But a 2003 law written by congressional Republicans and signed by George W. Bush prohibits the federal government from using that negotiating power.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/31/14453740/trump-medicare-prescription-drugs

Of course in typical Trump fashion he bundles up solutions that don't actually address the problem he is identifying, while framing said solution as helping America.

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« Reply #2945 on: January 31, 2017, 05:15:21 PM »
With such compassion, I can't imagine how anyone wouldn't find modern American liberalism appealing.

My compassion stops when you vote for the destruction of the planet
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« Reply #2946 on: January 31, 2017, 05:15:31 PM »
Rudy Guliani is an expert on cybersecurity?
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« Reply #2947 on: January 31, 2017, 05:20:37 PM »
What exactly do you expect Democrats to do here? They're stalling the full vote on Price and Mnuchin as much as they can to try to dig up more dirt, but that's not going to last much longer. And they can't outright filibuster on cabinet positions.

Sit on the floor and refuse to let the proceedings continue.

And after a week or two of that the Senate Republicans change the rules with a simple majority vote and Trump's picks go through anyway.
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« Reply #2948 on: January 31, 2017, 05:48:10 PM »
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The Jan. 30-31 poll found that 49 percent of American adults said they either "strongly" or "somewhat" agreed with Trump's order, while 41 percent "strongly" or "somewhat" disagreed and another 10 percent said they don't know.

I told you guys if the election were held today Trump would win again.

Thats why we need maximum pain. If you were enough of an idiot to vote for Trump, you wont learn until your children get deported or drafted
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« Reply #2949 on: January 31, 2017, 06:38:21 PM »
I had no idea that Betsy Devos is the sister of Erik Prince. 

Suddenly some things make a lot more sense.

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« Reply #2950 on: January 31, 2017, 06:42:17 PM »
https://twitter.com/CornellWBrooks/status/826236885529935873

Police arrested the CEO of the NAACP who was protesting at Jeff Sessions' office

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« Reply #2951 on: January 31, 2017, 07:03:41 PM »
Rudy Guliani is an expert on cybersecurity?

Barron has got him up to speed on the cyber.
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« Reply #2952 on: January 31, 2017, 07:12:37 PM »
The most shocking thing is it's being reported by CNN.
That's why I used that source; difficult to refute if even they are begrudgingly reporting it.

https://twitter.com/CornellWBrooks/status/826236885529935873

Police arrested the CEO of the NAACP who was protesting at Jeff Sessions' office
and? It's for publicity lol


Also: US House of Rep member just introduced a bill that would increase the required starting wage for H1-B visa holders from $60,000 to $130,000.
If that actually happens I'll probably have to drop out of school because there's no way I'm going to be offered $130k straight out of law school.
It's meant to target the tech industry though and India is already complaining (justifiably).

On the other hand, I can see the argument for the bill, even though it is potentially life-changing for me.
Pretty unfortunate since that was my pathway to citizenship, but again, it's not law yet.

Interesting to note that it's a bill introduced by a California Democrat....hedging her bets maybe?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-india-idUSKBN15F1SE
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« Reply #2953 on: January 31, 2017, 08:00:22 PM »
Interesting to note that it's a bill introduced by a California Democrat....hedging her bets maybe?

Nope.

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« Reply #2954 on: January 31, 2017, 08:08:09 PM »
So the anti-LGBT legislation story spread by the media was corporate fake news again?


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« Reply #2955 on: January 31, 2017, 08:31:32 PM »
maybe by the end of trump's five decades of rule we'll have proper 2000AD style protests. dudes in neon with mohawks and one letter names setting off EMPs while smoking digital crack they just scored off their e-dealer.

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« Reply #2956 on: January 31, 2017, 08:38:12 PM »
With such compassion, I can't imagine how anyone wouldn't find modern American liberalism appealing.

My compassion stops when you vote for the destruction of the planet

 :gurl

You really think any of the Trump supporters pulled that lever thinking "Yeah, fuck this planet!"

Or is that more often then not the result of ignorance or misinformation brought on by numerous exterior influences or lack thereof?


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« Reply #2957 on: January 31, 2017, 08:44:34 PM »
The most shocking thing is it's being reported by CNN.
That's why I used that source; difficult to refute if even they are begrudgingly reporting it.

https://twitter.com/CornellWBrooks/status/826236885529935873

Police arrested the CEO of the NAACP who was protesting at Jeff Sessions' office
and? It's for publicity lol


Also: US House of Rep member just introduced a bill that would increase the required starting wage for H1-B visa holders from $60,000 to $130,000.
If that actually happens I'll probably have to drop out of school because there's no way I'm going to be offered $130k straight out of law school.
It's meant to target the tech industry though and India is already complaining (justifiably).

On the other hand, I can see the argument for the bill, even though it is potentially life-changing for me.
Pretty unfortunate since that was my pathway to citizenship, but again, it's not law yet.

Interesting to note that it's a bill introduced by a California Democrat....hedging her bets maybe?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-india-idUSKBN15F1SE

I guess this bill might directly benefit me but I wouldn't support it. My knee-jerk opinion is that salary floor should be raised some but should maybe somehow depend on the job's location/cost of living. $130k is pretty good for Seattle but not so good for SF/Silicon Valley
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« Reply #2958 on: January 31, 2017, 08:50:07 PM »
Trump picked Gorsuch for the Supreme Court.
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« Reply #2959 on: January 31, 2017, 08:55:50 PM »
I guess I accidentally protested and missed the pageant...



First thought is I feel bad for the LGBTQ community, who will seemingly be sitting on pins and needles for a while until they find out just how bad he will be toward them. Since that is one aspect that seems up in the air based on his history I read...But of course leans toward broad religious discrimination so in all likelihood.





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« Reply #2960 on: January 31, 2017, 09:00:22 PM »
I guess this bill might directly benefit me but I wouldn't support it. My knee-jerk opinion is that salary floor should be raised some but should maybe somehow depend on the job's location/cost of living. $130k is pretty good for Seattle but not so good for SF/Silicon Valley
That seems to be what they're doing. The $65k/$130k thing isn't the minimum to get an H-1B, it's the minimum to be exempt from certain rules about displacing US workers (ie having to attest that you are not firing someone, that you've advertised the job opening domestically, etc.).

Summary of the bill here and for you real masochists the full text is here.

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« Reply #2961 on: January 31, 2017, 09:28:21 PM »
Meanwhile...

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Ukraine and Russia blamed each other on Tuesday for a surge in fighting in eastern Ukraine in recent days that has led to the highest casualty toll in weeks and cut off power and water to thousands of civilians on the front line.

The Ukrainian military and Russian-backed separatists accuse each other of launching offensives in the government-held industrial town of Avdiyivka and firing heavy artillery in defiance of the two-year-old Minsk ceasefire deal.

Eight Ukrainian troops have been killed and 26 wounded since fighting intensified on Sunday - the heaviest losses for the military since mid-December, according to government figures.

"The current escalation in Donbass is a clear indication of Russia's continued blatant disregard of its commitments under the Minsk agreements with a view of preventing the stabilization of the situation," Ukraine's foreign ministry said in a statement.

The peace deal was agreed in February 2015, but international security monitors report ceasefire violations on a daily basis, including regular gun and mortar fire.

The latest clashes mark the first significant escalation in Ukraine since the inauguration of U.S. President Donald Trump, whose call for better relations with Moscow has alarmed Kiev while the conflict remains unresolved.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-kremlin-idUSKBN15F0XI

Russia may be getting interesting.

And like Trump, China seems to want to make good on their own promise to move into being the world leader in the emerging green energy sector:


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China intends to spend more than $360 billion through 2020 on renewable power sources like solar and wind, the government’s energy agency said on Thursday.

The country’s National Energy Administration laid out a plan to dominate one of the world’s fastest-growing industries, just at a time when the United States is set to take the opposite tack as Donald J. Trump, a climate-change doubter, prepares to assume the presidency.

The agency said in a statement that China would create more than 13 million jobs in the renewable energy sector by 2020, curb the growth of greenhouse gasses that contribute to global warming and reduce the amount of soot that in recent days has blanketed Beijing and other Chinese cities in a noxious cloud of smog.

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The investment commitment made by the Chinese, combined with Mr. Trump’s moves, means jobs that would have been created in the United States may instead go to Chinese workers.

Even the headline-grabbing numbers on total investment and job creation may understate what is already happening on the ground in China. Greenpeace estimates that China installed an average of more than one wind turbine every hour of every day in 2015, and covered the equivalent of one soccer field every hour with solar panels.

China may meet its 2020 goals for solar installation by 2018, said Lauri Myllyvirta, a research analyst at Greenpeace, who is based in Beijing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/world/asia/china-renewable-energy-investment.html

...If only there was a powerful enough country to try and combine that investment with commitments to reduce greenhouse gas emitting sectors.

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« Reply #2962 on: January 31, 2017, 09:48:52 PM »
Syph you're being kinda nauseating.  :-X

Trump's Veep and entire party have been hyped to tear down gay rights any way they can and Trump is/was in the middle of signing a whole bunch of EOs. He himself may not roll back the LGBT anti-discrimination protections but if the bill lands on his desk, he's signing it.

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« Reply #2963 on: January 31, 2017, 10:30:20 PM »
Interesting to note that it's a bill introduced by a California Democrat....hedging her bets maybe?

Nope.
This just makes me more confused why she introduced it then haha

I guess this bill might directly benefit me but I wouldn't support it. My knee-jerk opinion is that salary floor should be raised some but should maybe somehow depend on the job's location/cost of living. $130k is pretty good for Seattle but not so good for SF/Silicon Valley
That seems to be what they're doing. The $65k/$130k thing isn't the minimum to get an H-1B, it's the minimum to be exempt from certain rules about displacing US workers (ie having to attest that you are not firing someone, that you've advertised the job opening domestically, etc.).

Summary of the bill here and for you real masochists the full text is here.
Awesome thanks for those links I wanna know as much as possible.


Syph you're being kinda nauseating.  :-X

Trump's Veep and entire party have been hyped to tear down gay rights any way they can and Trump is/was in the middle of signing a whole bunch of EOs. He himself may not roll back the LGBT anti-discrimination protections but if the bill lands on his desk, he's signing it.
Nauseating eh?

I'm assuming you're referring to me posting the CNN story about Trump continuing Obama-era LGBT policies?
I'm aware of all the rhetoric but people can't seem to wrap their heads around action being all that matters. If Trump signs an anti-LGBT bill he will get rightly tarred and feathered. But until then I will point to moves like this as precedent for people to chill.
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« Reply #2964 on: January 31, 2017, 11:56:26 PM »
tougher gun control isn't the same as anti-gun

I'm not into guns at all. Don't want one in my house, but I don't feel any need to take guns away. Don't see an issue with better tracking of guns and checks.

Not to put on my old, dusty libertarian hat that was purchased with money I didn't earn and in accordance with the NAP*, but not participating in a market and supporting above-average regulation of that market betrays a certain opposition to it. Smokers** would spot this one a mile away.

*As all libertarian purchases are.

**If they were still alive.

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« Reply #2965 on: February 01, 2017, 12:02:29 AM »
It's funny how Syph was all about the conspiracies, leaks and expectations when it looked like Hillary might be winning but now everything is baseless speculation when Trump was elected.

Also see: every EO that's been signed thus far with all of the "just relax, quit overreacting, don't take him literally" nonsense spewed prior to each.

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« Reply #2966 on: February 01, 2017, 12:09:19 AM »
Don't know how I feel about the h1b thing. On one hand, I know for a fact h1bs are used to abuse the system and keep salaried artificially low. That being said, doing anything about it will just move all those jobs offshore and obliterate a large section of it jobs. But you do have to do something.
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« Reply #2967 on: February 01, 2017, 12:11:49 AM »
It's funny how Syph was all about the conspiracies, leaks and expectations when it looked like Hillary might be winning but now everything is baseless speculation when Trump was elected.

Also see: every EO that's been signed thus far with all of the "just relax, quit overreacting, don't take him literally" nonsense spewed prior to each.

Trump is too big an idiot to be anything but literal.

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« Reply #2968 on: February 01, 2017, 01:10:57 AM »
It's funny how Syph was all about the conspiracies, leaks and expectations when it looked like Hillary might be winning but now everything is baseless speculation when Trump was elected.
It's funny how you don't list a single example to back up what you just said.  :trumps

1. Name a single conspiracy about Hillary I subscribed to. Yes, I think the DNC helped her and the media was biased in her favor during the election, but do you really classify those as "conspiracies"? Would you even bother arguing the former?

2. What leaks of Trump's was I ever against? No shit I liked the Hillary leaks; she's a corrupt person and I was rooting against her. More importantly, while I don't agree with the methods used to obtain the information, once it becomes publicly available, we have a duty to read it and judge based on that information.
I'll wait here with my dick in hand while you fail to come up with an example where I was against a Trump leak. Quite frankly, I don't even know what that would entail. Telling people to avert their ears/eyes? Do you recall me defending the grab-them-by-the-pussy leak? Wtf are you even talking about?

3. Expectations are by definition a speculation. If this criticism pertains to what Freyj said, I still don't get your point. Of course I was talking about expectations during the election, that is literally what the campaigns are run on. Did I focus on Hillary? No shit, it seemed like she was going to win.
Now that Trump won and is President, naturally I'm focusing on what he is actually doing and not on campaign rhetoric. Granted, he has shown that much of what he said on the campaign trail he does indeed intend to implement, but if you use that same logic, he also said he was a friend of the LGBT community (to use the example that I'm assuming *triggered* you). Can't have it both ways.
In addition, it's difficult not to take fault with the embarrassment that is mainstream media, and their overzealous speculation. So yeah, I do think a lot is "baseless" as you say. Because I actually take the time to read statements or watch CSPAN or whatever, not just headlines and hashtags. Of course, that doesn't mean I agree or think everything Trump is doing is right (not by a long-shot) nor do I think the media never gets it correct or isn't allowed to speculate. But that in no way contradicts my previous sentences.

However, you know what you will find if you go through my posts? A recurring theme of me saying I don't like Hillary but more importantly, that I don't like Trump either. I honestly couldn't have repeated myself more on that. I wanted the Republicans to win but I never supported Trump. Albeit now he is President, so of course I hope he does well because that is in everyone's best interest.

Do you really not recall me supporting Rubio from day 1? That was never a secret lol

It's funny how Syph was all about the conspiracies, leaks and expectations when it looked like Hillary might be winning but now everything is baseless speculation when Trump was elected.

Also see: every EO that's been signed thus far with all of the "just relax, quit overreacting, don't take him literally" nonsense spewed prior to each.
Every EO eh?

Don't know how I feel about the h1b thing. On one hand, I know for a fact h1bs are used to abuse the system and keep salaried artificially low. That being said, doing anything about it will just move all those jobs offshore and obliterate a large section of it jobs. But you do have to do something.
Do you think it's significant enough to offshore a meaningful percentage of jobs in the short-run though? What about the infrastructure that already exists in Silicon Valley for example?
I mean I guess we're just talking buying new computers but I'm sure there are some benefits from the scale they already have in place.
It's hard to predict short and long-term here since I could argue either side lol
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« Reply #2969 on: February 01, 2017, 01:23:58 AM »
:umad

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« Reply #2970 on: February 01, 2017, 01:29:31 AM »
:umad
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Kaffir is the only one who can get me going with his shitposting, I will readily admit that lol

PS. I watched that interview again just the other day haha legendary killa cam
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« Reply #2971 on: February 01, 2017, 01:33:27 AM »


Like any of us know where the fuck any of this is going anymore

Please understand and shitpost.

Careposting is appreciated, but it'll prolly be wrong a day later  :journo

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« Reply #2972 on: February 01, 2017, 01:39:28 AM »
but it'll prolly be wrong a day later  :journo
true, I couldn't say it would totally surprise me for Trump to come out tomorrow with a slew of anti-LGBT measures while simultaneously reversing the temporary immigration ban and instituting a policy whereby the US will accept ONLY Muslim immigrants lol
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« Reply #2973 on: February 01, 2017, 01:41:16 AM »
That remix is amazing, will watch again

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« Reply #2974 on: February 01, 2017, 02:37:01 AM »
Breitbart

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On Sunday evening, a senior administration official briefed reporters on Trump’s American-first migration policy.

“The reality, though, is that the situation [of large Islamic populations] that exists today in parts of France, in parts of Germany, in Belgium, etcetera, is not a situation we want replicated inside the United States,” the official said.

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The kind of large and permanent domestic terror threat that becomes multi-dimensional and multi-generational and becomes sort of a permanent feature, in case this, becomes a permanent feature of American life. We don’t want a situation where, 20 to 30 years from now, it’s just like a given thing that on a fairly regular basis there is domestic terror strikes, stores are shut up or that airports have explosive devices planted, or people are mowed down in the street by cars and automobiles and things of that nature…

The United States is sovereign country. It is under no obligation to admit any particular person and we have a right to develop a system in which we’re selecting immigrants that we think will be able to make positive contributions to U.S. society.

So it's totally not a Muslim ban. Everything is good and fine and awesome.

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« Reply #2975 on: February 01, 2017, 03:09:00 AM »
This is exactly the same sentiment as in Eastern Europe fyi. They are anti muslim without having a muslim population, just like the US. They don't want the same shit there is in France, UK, Germany, Belgium, Holland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark etc.

There are huge issues with muslims immigrants so I can't completely blame them, but banning refugees is just shit no matter what trouble they might bring.

Muslim immigrants by and large are just don't mesh as well with their new nations it seems like other more culturally similar people.  This is just how it is. Of course it doesn't help the new nation is hostile towards them in a way that might push them away rather then pull them in, it's a vicious circle.
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« Reply #2976 on: February 01, 2017, 03:26:25 AM »
Not gonna speak to Europe but in the US, it's racism.

Like anything else there's multiple causality, and it's a simplification to leave out other significant things blah blah blah but listen man. It's racism.

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« Reply #2977 on: February 01, 2017, 03:38:01 AM »
Oh yeah it's racism here too of course. But even as someone very welcoming to refugees you tend to have to agree to some of the points the right is making which is horrible and the failing of the left.

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« Reply #2978 on: February 01, 2017, 04:17:49 AM »
I wanted my :umad carepost, and I got it. That was surprisingly easy.

But come on, Syph. I'm in no way the "triggered SJW" type. Just making fun of the fact that you're calling anti-trump messages propaganda, when Trump makes it pretty goddamn easy to be against him for any sane person. I get why the racists, homophobes, etc. voted for him, and they're getting exactly what they wanted. What I don't get were the people who voted for Obama twice, and have a favorable opinion of him, voting Trump and being shocked that he did the shit he did(this quickly, too). I know you were a Rubio stan(I still don't get how that's possible) but I was never a Hillary stan, my position was always "she seems fine and is definitely a lot better than Trump". What I'm laughing at is how quick you are to cop pleas for the Trump administration, about things that Trump himself said he wants to do and is doing. That's what's funny to me.

You can watch C-SPAN and all that, but Trump isn't some George W or Reagan where you have to look deeply in their policies and such to find something you don't like. Hell, they were barely "IF" that, but I'll give it to them that they were at least politicians. Trump is very much open about all his shit, so don't get your panties twisted over people calling him out on it.

EDIT: BTW, this is the third time this week some posters just straight up assumed what my positions were and argued against that. Like they're in a heated battle with the SJW boogieman and I'm the avatar for it. Not knowing what I'm like or who I am from my years posting here.
Lol you finally broke me and caught me at the right moment where I had time to respond.
While I am unabashedly a critic of the current mainstream media, the only message I called propaganda was the one by CNN the other day where they posted a partial quote as a headline and juxtaposed it with an image and subtitle that misrepresented it.
And while I understand you interpreting it as "copping pleas for the Trump admin", my intent is to focus on the inconsistencies and double-standards in the media and by the left (not to say the right isn't guilty sometimes as well) rather than to defend Trump. Aka, I focus on how things are reported rather than focusing on Trump win v. Democrat win (again, not to say that I don't enjoy when the Republicans win). Unbiased example: the inauguration numbers BS by Trump admin = indefensible

If you notice, I never "talk over people" (does that even make sense on a forum lol), I just try to present other sides or question if the full story is being reported/discussed. Or at least have some dialogue.

Am I right-wing? Yes. Do I like when the Democrats lose? A Sarah Palin-esque "you betcha".
But my goal is always the free exchange of ideas and holding people accountable, not a dogmatic adherence to what my party says or does.
Case in point: am I fan of the temp immigration ban? Not really. Even one of my good friends was affected (Iranian). But do I think it's important that people note that more than 80% of the world's Muslims are exempt from the ban and that it is not unconstitutional? Yes.

TBH I'm just tired of all the politic-ing, especially when it doesn't seem like it's going to slow down. I like debates more than soundbites or fighting to see who will dominate the news cycle tomorrow.

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(Also, as to your edit, I just responded to the 3 words you listed original cause that's what you gave me to work with lol (but I realize that you weren't talking about just me).)

PS. I never said you were a Hildog stan, although I admit that would have been my assumption.

Anyway, good night for now. I have to finish emailing admin and advisors asking if I should drop out because of this new proposed immigration bill lol
Truly:  :usacry :cancry
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« Reply #2979 on: February 01, 2017, 05:25:45 AM »
Rudy Guliani is an expert on cybersecurity?
The mayor of NYC on 9/11 just used some kind of high tech cloaking device in front of the President, what more evidence do you need? Another 9/11? They didn't hack the towers down on 9/11. No, on 9/11 they did something completely different that led to 9/11.

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« Reply #2980 on: February 01, 2017, 05:29:41 AM »
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Case in point: am I fan of the temp immigration ban? Not really. Even one of my good friends was affected (Iranian). But do I think it's important that people note that more than 80% of the world's Muslims are exempt from the ban and that it is not unconstitutional? Yes.

I'm pretty sure this kind of plea copping is what Wrath was talking about. Trump literally campaigned on banning Muslims, and now it's "well it's only targeting 300 million people, so it's not as bad as people are saying". Just cornball minimilizing of very obviously heinous shit.

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« Reply #2981 on: February 01, 2017, 05:34:38 AM »
Speaking of Pol Pot, where is our resident history expert Benji?

Pol Pot, like the current Trump party, hated the smug liberals in cities. He hated media. He hated the educated. He wanted to teach them a lesson.

So he simply had the cities emptied of people and the smug liberals killed.

Is the Khmer Rouge an appropriate analogue to the Trump regime?
Yes, 1975 Cambodia was almost exactly like the 2017 United States except below the equator. I would not under any circumstances be surprised if an executive order is signed restarting the calendars and forcing the New People to empty the city and become farmers.

Another virulent slave holding racist President, Thomas Jefferson also notably wanted a country full of yeoman farmers and distrusted the cities. Also he lived during the adoption of a new calendar. And much like Pol Pot and Trump was probably an atheist.

Although the tone of your posts seem to imply that you believe that transitioning to a truly democratic society without exploitation of the masses by an elite class is a bad thing? ???

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« Reply #2982 on: February 01, 2017, 08:53:32 AM »
Trump interrupting my reruns of The Middle.
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« Reply #2983 on: February 01, 2017, 10:07:33 AM »
Yes, 1975 Cambodia was almost exactly like the 2017 United States except below the equator. I would not under any circumstances be surprised if an executive order is signed restarting the calendars and forcing the New People to empty the city and become farmers.

Benji has spoken

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« Reply #2984 on: February 01, 2017, 10:11:37 AM »
Speaking of Pol Pot, where is our resident history expert Benji?

Pol Pot, like the current Trump party, hated the smug liberals in cities. He hated media. He hated the educated. He wanted to teach them a lesson.

So he simply had the cities emptied of people and the smug liberals killed.

Is the Khmer Rouge an appropriate analogue to the Trump regime?
Yes, 1975 Cambodia was almost exactly like the 2017 United States except below the equator. I would not under any circumstances be surprised if an executive order is signed restarting the calendars and forcing the New People to empty the city and become farmers.

Another virulent slave holding racist President, Thomas Jefferson also notably wanted a country full of yeoman farmers and distrusted the cities. Also he lived during the adoption of a new calendar. And much like Pol Pot and Trump was probably an atheist.

Although the tone of your posts seem to imply that you believe that transitioning to a truly democratic society without exploitation of the masses by an elite class is a bad thing? ???

Well, at least some of us already have practice in living in a commune. Start early and beat the rush.
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« Reply #2985 on: February 01, 2017, 10:46:37 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/30/green-movement-greatest-threat-freedom-says-trump-adviser-myron-ebell

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The environmental movement is “the greatest threat to freedom and prosperity in the modern world”, according to an adviser to the US president Donald Trump’s administration.

Myron Ebell, who has denied the dangers of climate change for many years and led Trump’s transition team for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) until the president’s recent inauguration, also said he fully expected Trump to keep his promise to withdraw the US from the global agreement to fight global warming.

Ebell said US voters had rejected what he dubbed the “expertariat” and said there was no doubt that Trump thinks that climate change is not a crisis and does not require urgent action.

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« Reply #2987 on: February 01, 2017, 11:22:15 AM »
https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/826803408694759426

Status: Totally not a power grab.

Wow theyre really running through that political capitol.

As an aside, the dems should totally approve the SCOTUS pick immediately because it is best to save that political capitol for later.


Oh, and fuck any liberal bitch ass apologist who waved away Obamas complete waste of his supermajority under the excuse of "political capitol," "bipartisanship," and "reaching across the aisle." 

Fucking liberals.
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« Reply #2988 on: February 01, 2017, 11:29:54 AM »




Great leaders in history:

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  • King
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« Reply #2989 on: February 01, 2017, 11:59:14 AM »
I can't hate 'em for that. Democrat boycott backfired. Lesson learned. If you don't show up, you can't vote against being excluded from the political process. The progressive electorate should take note.

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« Reply #2990 on: February 01, 2017, 12:00:46 PM »
I can't hate 'em for that. Democrat boycott backfired. Lesson learned. If you don't show up, you can't vote against being excluded from the political process. The progressive electorate should take note.

They need to listen to me.

I said dont boycott, I said show up sit on the floor and protest.
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« Reply #2991 on: February 01, 2017, 12:10:37 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/30/green-movement-greatest-threat-freedom-says-trump-adviser-myron-ebell

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The environmental movement is “the greatest threat to freedom and prosperity in the modern world”, according to an adviser to the US president Donald Trump’s administration.

Myron Ebell, who has denied the dangers of climate change for many years and led Trump’s transition team for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) until the president’s recent inauguration, also said he fully expected Trump to keep his promise to withdraw the US from the global agreement to fight global warming.

Ebell said US voters had rejected what he dubbed the “expertariat” and said there was no doubt that Trump thinks that climate change is not a crisis and does not require urgent action.

 :dead


Now where did I hear that before.

Oh wait.


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« Reply #2992 on: February 01, 2017, 12:33:40 PM »
Shorter (Fingered) Trump: "I love the blacks, but fuck CNN tho."
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« Reply #2993 on: February 01, 2017, 12:51:45 PM »
I hope Trump sets back the environmental science cabal back a decade or so. Fuck those guys. So much wasted capital that could fund better science.




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« Reply #2994 on: February 01, 2017, 12:55:26 PM »
I hope Trump sets back the environmental science cabal back a decade or so. Fuck those guys. So much wasted capital that could fund better science.

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« Reply #2995 on: February 01, 2017, 12:58:48 PM »
I hope Trump sets back the environmental science cabal back a decade or so. Fuck those guys. So much wasted capital that could fund better science.

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« Reply #2996 on: February 01, 2017, 01:05:15 PM »
Make America Smoggy Again
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« Reply #2997 on: February 01, 2017, 01:07:05 PM »
I would actually respect them more if they focused their attention (and money) on black carbon (smog). Instead they have went all-in on Co2 regulation and mostly ignore the other GHG's.


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« Reply #2998 on: February 01, 2017, 01:26:01 PM »
I would actually respect them more if they focused their attention (and money) on black carbon (smog). Instead they have went all-in on Co2 regulation and mostly ignore the other GHG's.

False. California has begun to address Methane as well.

Smog has been regulated extensively since the 1990s. There are federal limits and actual penalties. The CA central valleyw as hit with a $30 million fine for missing smog goals.

Never mind car efficiency standards which Trump promised to role back.
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« Reply #2999 on: February 01, 2017, 01:42:23 PM »
I was speaking globally. You look at the UK where they moved industry/society heavily into diesel fuel (to meet Co2 standards) and now 15 years later London has worse smog than Beijing.

The CCAC was formed in 2012 for this very reason. To redirect the focus of the environmental movement.
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