US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

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the people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation have won

You're free to complain about AIPAC and Bibi all you want to.

mandarks uncle and cousins 

[Tripon]

In Emerson’s second poll of the Iowa caucus, former Vice President Joe Biden narrowly leads the Democratic field with 25%, followed by Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders at 24%. Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Indiana has surged to 11%. Senator Kamala Harris of California follows with 10% - the only other candidate to clear double digits in Iowa. Data was collected between March 21-24, and the Democratic caucus ballot test had a margin of error +/- 6.2%

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The Iowa statewide Emerson College poll was conducted March 21-24, 2019. The sample consisted of registered voters, n=707, with a Credibility Interval (CI) similar to a poll’s margin of error (MOE) of +/- 3.6 percentage points. The data was weighted based on 2016 voter model, age, gender, and region. It is important to remember that subsets based on gender, age, party breakdown, ethnicity and region carry with them higher margins of error, as the sample size is reduced. Data was collected using both an Interactive Voice Response (IVR) system of landlines only (n=424) and an online panel provided by Dynata (n=283). www.emersonpolling.com

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/iowa-2020-biden-and-sanders-neck-and-neck-in-democratic-field-mayor-pete-jumps-to-double-digits

Iowa loves old men and the gays?

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lol

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[CatsCatsCats]

Some really smart people, some of the smartest, are saying bork is a nazi sympathizer, I don’t know if it’s true, but it’s being said by some experts

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I'm Jewish.

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I'm surrounded 

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If Maddow were Pinocchio her wife would have just had the best 2 yrs of her freakin life♋️


 

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https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million

 

[benjipwns]

Say a prayer for Our Patron Saint of Taking Down the Current Administration by lighting one of artist Clare Winter's Robert Mueller devotional candles. You can get these rhinestone-embellished candles through Winter's online shop Devotional Democracy ($12) or in person at Cargo Inc in Portland, Oregon. (Rumor has it she is making Ruth Bader Ginsburg (RBG) longevity candles next.)

nice

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Say a prayer for Our Patron Saint of Taking Down the Current Administration by lighting one of artist Clare Winter's Robert Mueller devotional candles. You can get these rhinestone-embellished candles through Winter's online shop Devotional Democracy ($12) or in person at Cargo Inc in Portland, Oregon. (Rumor has it she is making Ruth Bader Ginsburg (RBG) longevity candles next.)

nice

is that abuela's house 

[benjipwns]

Note to readers: in light of news that Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller’s investigation is complete, I’m releasing this chapter of Hate Inc. early, with a few new details added up top.

I hope "WMD times a million" is not the book chapter title he went with and just click-baiting for his blog.

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[benjipwns]

Taibbi should have stopped with this comparison probably:

The Steele report occupies the same role in #Russiagate the tales spun by Ahmed Chalabi occupied in the WMD screwup. Once again, a narrative became turbo-charged when Officials With Motives pulled the press corps by its nose to a swamp of unconfirmable private assertions.

Also, he needs an "as" in that sentence, hope the proofreaders caught this before it went to print.

Plus I think the comparison works better backwards here, stuff like the whole "pee tape" story do more to help illustrate to people now the kinds of tales that Chalabi was spreading practically unchecked by anyone back in the day. Versus bringing those up and expecting anyone who isn't Mandark (or me) to remember those.

My personal favorite was the woodchipper story that was almost an exact duplicate of the Fargo scene taken to eleven. I always imagine Saddam or Qusay like catching the film on TNT or something then deciding it'd be fun. (I don't remember if that exact one was one of Chalabi's though, a lot of people were using that one with zero confirmation, also like a bunch of fake soldiers or something tried to claim they found it while in Iraq or something.)

edit: neat, it has its own Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein%27s_alleged_shredder

Ann Clwyd wrote in The Times six days later, an article entitled "See men shredded, then say you don't back war,"

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https://twitter.com/alexnazaryan/status/1109948625273217027

https://twitter.com/SherylNYT/status/1109951243315789825

lol at this shit. This is the leadership throwing their newest members under the bus.

https://twitter.com/SherylNYT/status/1110011039108792320

[Mandark]

Matt Taibbi going anti-anti-Trump is completely unsurprising.

[benjipwns]

”By the way there are 62 freshmen Democrats. You hear me? 62, not 3. “

I don't think that's the worst line for leadership really.

Republicans and Fox News and etc. are trying to do a lot to paint those freshmen as all AOC/Omar clones, they know the latter are more than pretty safe, it's 40 some of those other members in recent GOP seats they need to protect for a majority.

[Mandark]

Eh. Even in a vacuum he's scolding new members (you can emphasize the big-tent nature of the party without doing this, I promise!), he's doing so to maintain the shitty party line on Israel policy, and is anyone in a swing district going to care about what Steny Hoyer said? At least as good a chance it gets picked up as "even senior Democrats admit their party has a problem with radicalism/antisemitism!!!" which was basically the result of the pile-on with Omar.

[benjipwns]

Eh. Even in a vacuum he's scolding new members (you can emphasize the big-tent nature of the party without doing this, I promise!), he's doing so to maintain the shitty party line on Israel policy, and is anyone in a swing district going to care about what Steny Hoyer said? At least as good a chance it gets picked up as "even senior Democrats admit their party has a problem with radicalism/antisemitism!!!" which was basically the result of the pile-on with Omar.

Yeah, you're right, I was looking at the line compared to the first tweet I guess. It's a decent line when you think about something like the coverage AOC gets compared to the other freshmen.

I assume one factor is they probably stupidly thought nobody would report anything said at AIPAC like normal. It'd be much better to use at a DNC or DNCC event or something. There's other ways to apologize to AIPAC on the down low.

Matt Taibbi going anti-anti-Trump is completely unsurprising.

He's done better than his fellow contrarian Glenn at it, he does like one anti-Trump article for every anti-anti-Trump/anti-DNC/pro-Bernie one he does. The theme of his book is how Trump's hate and methods have become normalized by everyone copying his "game" or whatever but he normally produces two crappy books for every good one so it means a good one might be coming next. I assume this one is another one of just republishing his rewritten/updated articles since it would fit the theme of his going back and forth between them in his articles lately.

Glenn's totally paranoid about his Twitter enemies being the root of all evil because he spends all day on it like all the weirdos. (See: Nintex) I have to admit I enjoy it probably more. Especially when he writes a big long article because someone he was arguing with blocked him and HE WANTS THEM TO SEE HIS ARGUMENT GOD DAMMIT. He's also really defensive about the fact he's been living in Brazil now because nobody in the U.S. cares. All it does is make me wish he somehow runs into Assimilate and they get in an argument about something like Jordan Peterson.

Taibbi still links to dumb stuff like this and calls it dumb and silly, Glenn probably calls it evidence and puts it in his dossiers:
https://twitter.com/donnabrazile/status/887331637998096384

[Mandark]

Greenwald makes like $350k a year to namesearch himself on Twitter and act petty about arcane online bullshit. A true inspiration to us shitposters everywhere.

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So like when should we expect them? Rough guess.

do you like game theory?

he prefers fillergame theoryrellif 

[benjipwns]

Plus his husband comes from wealth and is now a deputy in their legislature. They have two kids. But I don't think the dude has ever been actively madder than he is currently at near randoms on Twitter and recycled CNN pundits. All day long.

edit: Actually, maybe that explains it if he's home all day with the kids.

[benjipwns]

(((filler annihilated)))

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Anti- fillers have to be the most vigilant in calling out anti-semitism 

[shosta]

Lol at the new word filters. Sad it's come to this

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Lol at the new word filters. Sad it's come to this

[Mandark]

Plus his husband comes from wealth and is now a deputy in their legislature. They have two kids. But I don't think the dude has ever been actively madder than he is currently at near randoms on Twitter and recycled CNN pundits. All day long.

edit: Actually, maybe that explains it if he's home all day with the kids.

He lives in a huge house in the picturesque rainforest with his beloved husband, cute adopted kids, and a bunch of dogs yet spends all day being miserable online. Adam Silver was right about social media.

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I can't find it anywhere on the first couple pages of Google, but somebody posted images in one of the comments on his Intercept articles where there was one night where he tweeted about going out to dinner with just his husband for the first time in whatever since the kids, and like forty-five minutes later he was still arguing with someone on Twitter then he deleted all the tweets after like an hour

I did find this on the home of the dark intellectuals: https://quillette.com/2019/01/18/glenn-greenwalds-bad-history/

Had [Henry] Wallace become President of the United States, it would have been the equivalent of Stalin directly taking over the highest levels of the American government.

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"Zion-ists" should be filtered to "anti-fillers"

[james]

What's the word filter

[benjipwns]

Anti-anti-fillers shouldn't be allowed in your draft room after watching the guy totally ignore the existence of Tacko Bell Falls. LeBron probably would have put on the freshmen 15 25 40 too.

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lol looked at Glenn's newest article and of course the entire conclusion is about Twitter and something he did

In lieu of convincing evidence to support his central claim, Dovere used all sorts of slimy insinuation to imply that Sirota was guilty of wrongdoing. He focused on the fact that Sirota had deleted roughly 20,000 tweets upon being hired by the Sanders campaign. But with journalists like Dovere so clearly devoted to smearing the reputations of anyone associated with the Sanders campaign using these sorts of manipulative tactics, is it any wonder that Sirota would view regular tweet deletions as a prudent course of action?

Contrary to Dovere’s attempts to make Sirota’s tweet deletions appear sinister and abnormal, they are actually a normal practice for many journalists. Vox’s Matt Yglesias, for instance, uses Twitter very prolifically, yet regularly and quite frequently deletes all of his tweets, ensuring that only the last few weeks of his pronouncements are available at any time. When MSNBC’s Joy Reid was revealed to have a long history of ugly anti-gay bigotry, she not only deleted tweets but also deleted her entire website, and then manufactured a lie that a hacker, rather than she herself, had authored them and that the FBI was searching for the hacker she invented (rather than being fired by MSNBC for lying to the public about a fake hacker and apparently to the FBI, she was praised for her ethics and courage by key MSNBC star Rachel Maddow).

Last year, I deleted roughly 27,000 old tweets – purposely choosing only ones that pre-dated the 2016 election (in a futile attempt to avoid deranged conspiracy theories that the deletions were designed to evade Robert Mueller’s scrutiny) – due to how easy it is to distort the meaning of particularly old tweets by removing them from their context (something that temporarily got Sam Seder fired by MSNBC until executives finally realized that they had mis-read the old tweet that caused his firing).

Indeed, to understand the justifiability and wisdom of deleting old tweets, consider what Vox writer Aaron Rupar did this week to Briahna Joy Gray when it was announced that Gray was leaving the Intercept to become the Press Secretary for Sanders’ campaigns (that happened on the same day Dovere smeared Sirota). Rupar spent that day digging through Gray’s old tweets to find anything incriminating that he could get his hands on in order to ruin her reputation before she even started her job as Sanders’ Press Secretary.

Rupar’s most viral, damaging tweet about Gray ended up being an outright falsehood: that Gray, during the 2016 election, had endorsed the theory that the DNC hack was really an “insider job.” Although Rupar, in the face of mass outrage, later admitted that his accusation about Gray’s views was false – Gray never embraced any such theory – his retraction received a tiny amount of attention and re-tweets compared to the original, viral untruth he posted. So the damage to Gray’s reputation was done, as intended – all because this anti-Sanders Vox writer wildly distorted one of her old tweets by tearing it out of its context:

Under those circumstances, it shouldn’t be hard to understand why people joining the Sanders campaign – in an environment filled with unethical journalists with extreme anti-Sanders animus such as Dovere and Rupar – would want to delete their old tweets to prevent distortions of this type. Whatever else is true, tweet deletions are certainly not evidence of any wrongdoing by Sirota.

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Wait, Sam was only temporarily fired by MSNBC?

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Yeah, they read the actual tweet and offered his job back:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/business/media/msnbc-sam-seder.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Seder#Firing

On December 9, 2017, having failed to get Seder fired, Cernovich claimed that his wife was being stalked at the behest of the media.

Though they (by this I mean either Sam or MSNBC or both) may have not renewed this after it all:

his contract (due to expire in February 2018)

[benjipwns]

list of people who got fired and rehired because of Twitter:

• James Gunn
• Sam Seder
• that Chipolte manager

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Were there people who honestly expected the Mueller report to immediately lead to a perp-walk onto Marine One? I think the reason Pelosi and every other Democrat avoided talking about Russia in 2018 was because they expected the report to serve as a neutral source of evidence to lead to charges against Trump's son, hopefully eroding his support among Republican Senators/voters.

But maybe I'm just too simple.

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people or "people"?

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(((people)))?

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[Mandark]

Were there people who honestly expected the Mueller report to immediately lead to a perp-walk onto Marine One? I think the reason Pelosi and every other Democrat avoided talking about Russia in 2018 was because they expected the report to serve as a neutral source of evidence to lead to charges against Trump's son, hopefully eroding his support among Republican Senators/voters.

But maybe I'm just too simple.

Mueller/Russia/impeachment were low priorities for Democrats in every poll I saw. They ran mostly on healthcare (specifically coverage for preexisting conditions) because it's an issue that favors them and is the sort of quality-of-life that Dems typically run on. Not more complicated than that.

Also probably the recent memory of Hillary running personal anti-Trump ads rather than that sort of traditional "pocketbook" issues and losing.

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https://twitter.com/MikeGravel/status/1109973655570841600

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Were there people who honestly expected the Mueller report to immediately lead to a perp-walk onto Marine One?

I'm sure some Twitter slacktivists did. But I would lie if I said I didn't expect something more juicy that would mire Trump up until the election and I think that's what most people hoped for (at the most something that could put impeachment on the table). If the summary is mostly truthful to the content, I think Trump is insulated from further inquiries into potentially foreign shady dealings (perhaps even domestic ones) for the rest of his mandate.

I think the Dems have plenty to campaign on regardless.

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list of people who got fired and rehired because of Twitter:

• James Gunn
• Sam Seder

both re-hired!

 

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Taibbi should have stopped with this comparison probably:

The Steele report occupies the same role in #Russiagate the tales spun by Ahmed Chalabi occupied in the WMD screwup. Once again, a narrative became turbo-charged when Officials With Motives pulled the press corps by its nose to a swamp of unconfirmable private assertions.

Also, he needs an "as" in that sentence, hope the proofreaders caught this before it went to print.

Plus I think the comparison works better backwards here, stuff like the whole "pee tape" story do more to help illustrate to people now the kinds of tales that Chalabi was spreading practically unchecked by anyone back in the day. Versus bringing those up and expecting anyone who isn't Mandark (or me) to remember those.

My personal favorite was the woodchipper story that was almost an exact duplicate of the Fargo scene taken to eleven. I always imagine Saddam or Qusay like catching the film on TNT or something then deciding it'd be fun. (I don't remember if that exact one was one of Chalabi's though, a lot of people were using that one with zero confirmation, also like a bunch of fake soldiers or something tried to claim they found it while in Iraq or something.)

edit: neat, it has its own Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein%27s_alleged_shredder

Ann Clwyd wrote in The Times six days later, an article entitled "See men shredded, then say you don't back war,"

You know, I don’t really agree with Taibbi’s whole thrust... at least not without seeing the whole report.

I think you can point to some “media personalities” that were aggressive with their conclusions, but not very many reporters that were. For the most part, the reporting on russia was fairly measured. The dossier was always covered with a hint of skepticism, and was never taken as verified fact.

Without seeing Mueller’s report we don’t really know how much of it was false.

Imo the worst reporting really was when they would take some administration source at face value when they’d say “Mueller is delivering the report tomorrow”. I think Ken Dilanian announces the end of the probe st least 3 times.

[Joe Molotov]

My favorite episode of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is when they fought Saddam Hussein's alleged Shredder.

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list of people who got fired and rehired because of Twitter:

• James Gunn
• Sam Seder

both re-hired!

 

That’s what he said

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I was still half asleep 

[Great Rumbler]

Filler can't change his profile anymore.

[VomKriege]

My favorite episode of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is when they fought Saddam Hussein's alleged Shredder.

And his biggest artillery canon ever.

[benjipwns]

Filler can't change his profile anymore.

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should have gave him the old man avatar

[agrajag]

(((testing)))

[benjipwns]

zion-ists should be anti-fillers instead of fillers or else we ban the mods and KILL THEM

[benjipwns]

yesss fillers proper avatar restored

[Joe Molotov]

Filler can't change his profile anymore.

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should have gave him the old man avatar

Done.

I'm only trying to protect filler from himself. demi said we gotta keep the big AIPAC money flowing into the board, so this had to be done.

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the fillerfillersrellif have won

exelciorrellif

[james]

I have a new theory that went out in my newsletter this morning.

The Mueller report is a red herring. He released it as a honey pot.

Basically, he is tapping into phones because he knows people like Trump Jr will be making calls saying things like "I knew once we destroyed the evidence of the Prague trip they'd have nothing, Mueller can suck my ass"

Barr is being played as well. Mueller will get him for collusion as well.

All going according to plan.

[Joe Molotov]

I have a new theory that went out in my newsletter this morning.

The Mueller report is a red herring. He released it as a honey pot.

Basically, he is tapping into phones because he knows people like Trump Jr will be making calls saying things like "I knew once we destroyed the evidence of the Prague trip they'd have nothing, Mueller can suck my ass"

Barr is being played as well. Mueller will get him for collusion as well.

All going according to plan.

Wait for Spaceworld.

[james]

I have a new theory that went out in my newsletter this morning.

The Mueller report is a red herring. He released it as a honey pot.

Basically, he is tapping into phones because he knows people like Trump Jr will be making calls saying things like "I knew once we destroyed the evidence of the Prague trip they'd have nothing, Mueller can suck my ass"

Barr is being played as well. Mueller will get him for collusion as well.

All going according to plan.

Wait for Spaceworld.

That's a reference I haven't heard in awhile.


And it hurts. Rip spaceworld with Eternal Darkness 2

[Joe Molotov]

I loved Spaceworld and I loved waiting for Spaceworld. Mature Link

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'round here we say wait for aipac