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« Reply #44880 on: October 10, 2019, 02:00:40 PM »
The Trump presidency might be worth it if it results in all the conservative grifters locked up at a supermax

More like white collar resort, let’s be honest

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« Reply #44881 on: October 10, 2019, 02:14:15 PM »
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« Reply #44882 on: October 10, 2019, 02:15:04 PM »
The Trump presidency might be worth it if it results in all the conservative grifters locked up at a supermax

More like white collar resort, let’s be honest

Not if Bernie has anything to say about it.

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« Reply #44883 on: October 10, 2019, 02:28:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1182282461859811328


 :whew

Seriously considering :lol Either do it or don't you coward.

Also it's being rigged against...the early voting states?  ??? Generally don't understand the allegation. What is the DNC supposed to have done?

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« Reply #44884 on: October 10, 2019, 02:34:08 PM »
Tulsi: I haven't qualified for the debate, the primary is rigged
Also Tulsi: I have qualified for the debate but I'm not going because the primary is rigged

But she's not entirely wrong.
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« Reply #44885 on: October 10, 2019, 03:07:53 PM »
Tulsi: I haven't qualified for the debate, the primary is rigged
Also Tulsi: I have qualified for the debate but I'm not going because the primary is rigged

But she's not entirely wrong.
If you're not a 70 year old you're not getting any TV coverage.

AOC is 70?
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« Reply #44886 on: October 10, 2019, 03:22:42 PM »
https://twitter.com/AP_Europe/status/1182259767575810048

From the makers of Chernobyl comes the telenovela Orange is the New Fuck You.  Rated PG-13.

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« Reply #44887 on: October 10, 2019, 03:31:26 PM »
Why the fuck is Warren leading now

Because she's Sander's-lite/Diet Sanders, with less SOCIALISM!.gif and vagina/"good liberal voting for the 'first woman president'" points.



honestly, between the usual sanders attacks and racial spread for the candidates
the warren support seems to be a mix of "I don't care about voting for anyone but a woman" and what I think people call "white feminism"

If you're basing this on what you read online you should know that places like this are extremely unrepresentative of how the broader public feels

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« Reply #44888 on: October 10, 2019, 03:50:20 PM »
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/10/10/1891534/-Trump-s-entire-Ukraine-anti-corruption-team-was-corrupt-and-funded-by-unnamed-Russian-source

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Here is the information available as of Thursday afternoon.

- Four men were indicted on campaign finance violations, in particular for funneling money from foreign sources and soliciting a U.S. congressman for help in getting rid of U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch. The congressman has been unofficially identified as former Republican Rep. Pete Sessions.

- Two of the men, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, have previously been identified by Rudy Giuliani as “clients.” Parnas and Fruman are now clients of another former Trump attorney, John Dowd, who represented them in legal filings on Thursday.

- Parnas accompanied Giuliani to a meeting with U.S. Ambassador Kurt Volker in July. Volker mentioned this meeting in his appearance before Congress, describing it as “a long conversation about Ukraine.” That conversation included both the effort to get Ukraine to launch an investigation into Joe Biden and efforts to secure an investigation into supposed Ukrainian involvement in the 2016 election.

- Both Parnas and Fruman were involved in helping Giuliani “establish contacts” among current and former Ukrainian officials. That appears to include a former prosecutor who, temporarily, agreed to testify that Biden had done something wrong, before admitting that he was only trying to please Trump and Giuliani. According to the documents provided by Dowd, the two men worked for Giuliani “in connection with his representation of President Trump.”

- Funding for some of the contributions made came from “a foreign national Russian citizen and businessman,” according to the indictment. The four men indicted, along with “others known and unknown,” are reported to have conspired together to pass donations from this unknown Russian to candidates for both state and federal office.

- Parnas and Fruman attempted to flee the country and were arrested at Dulles Airport after purchasing one-way tickets on an international flight. Another of those indicted, Andrew Kukushkin, was arrested in San Francisco.

- Before running for the border, Parnas and Fruman had lunch with Rudy Giuliani. No details have yet emerged about discussions at that lunch, or whether Giuliani was aware of any pending legal action.

- $325,000 from Parnas and Fruman went through an LLC set up to disguise the source of the contributions to America First Action PAC, a pro-Trump PAC where Donald Trump Jr. is part of the leadership, along with several former members of the Trump White House.

- In an afternoon briefing, the FBI called the actions both “corruption” and “deliberate law-breaking.”

- Though a set of grand jury indictments has been provided, the actual charging documents have not been produced. That leaves open the possibility that others may be charged—including Giuliani.

- Giuliani’s First Response to the arrests was a statement that he didn’t believe the two men would “flip” on him, which is not exactly the first thought of someone uninvolved in crimes.

- The biggest point out of the afternoon press conference involving the U.S. attorney for Manhattan and the New York office of the FBI was that this remains an “ongoing investigation,” again suggesting that the last handcuff is yet to be deployed.

Very legal, and very, very cool.
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« Reply #44890 on: October 10, 2019, 05:01:49 PM »
It's happening :jeb
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« Reply #44891 on: October 10, 2019, 05:03:12 PM »
The suggestion all over TV is that Rudy/his associates were probably wiretapped and almost definitely had physical agents tracking them for a while to have all the detail of information already out to the public.

The shit that's about to go down if Rudy has been wiretapped :jeb

Also Rick Perry has been sub penor'd :jeb

Makes sense that they had a tail if they were caught at the airport attempting to flee

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« Reply #44892 on: October 10, 2019, 05:08:40 PM »
Maybe Trump was the whistleblower all along, and he elevated all these crooks so they could be baited, caught, and arrested for their crimes?

 :aah

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« Reply #44893 on: October 10, 2019, 05:16:33 PM »
Why the fuck is Warren leading now

Because she's Sander's-lite/Diet Sanders, with less SOCIALISM!.gif and vagina/"good liberal voting for the 'first woman president'" points.



honestly, between the usual sanders attacks and racial spread for the candidates
the warren support seems to be a mix of "I don't care about voting for anyone but a woman" and what I think people call "white feminism"

If you're basing this on what you read online you should know that places like this are extremely unrepresentative of how the broader public feels

Giving some thought, yeah, definitely. I'm not actively looking into anything, just passively observing whatever I happen onto, and given my "life feed" is likely to be far from Fair and Balanced™, I am probably getting takes that are slanted even when seemingly intended from a neutral stance. Naturally, some dumb things happened upon by Bernouts for example are likely to be signal boosted to paint a larger image of Warren and co. dishonestly.


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« Reply #44894 on: October 10, 2019, 05:19:26 PM »
Assume that every American online during primary season has been infected with a brain disease because they have (other than me obv)

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« Reply #44895 on: October 10, 2019, 05:33:09 PM »
Assume that every American online during primary season has been infected with a brain disease because they have (other than me obv)

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« Reply #44896 on: October 10, 2019, 05:37:40 PM »
the GOAT

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« Reply #44897 on: October 10, 2019, 06:39:38 PM »
All this information and yet it is still entirely unclear just what the hell Rudy Giuliani is doing.  :doge


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1182387198164946944
He forgot to add the poll
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« Reply #44899 on: October 10, 2019, 07:06:56 PM »
The USA is a banana republic. Has been for a long time; it just took Trump to make it painfully obvious.
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« Reply #44901 on: October 10, 2019, 07:13:33 PM »


Softspoken Bernie is sorta endearing.

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« Reply #44902 on: October 10, 2019, 07:14:36 PM »
Rudy better defend himself on Fox News. Otherwise he 'spend time with our campaign for a very short period of time'.  :trumps
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« Reply #44903 on: October 10, 2019, 07:18:00 PM »
The USA is a banana republic. Has been for a long time; it just took Trump to make it painfully obvious.

White people are finally waking up
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« Reply #44904 on: October 10, 2019, 07:19:46 PM »
Read a piece on the Rudy story. It's really wild.

He met with them yesterday and told them they had to fly to Vienna to meet him there.
They got tickets and got arrested. Probably would've walked free still if Rudy hadn't told them to go to Vienna  :lol

Also Joe Biden apparently had a working relationship with the whistle blower.
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« Reply #44905 on: October 10, 2019, 07:46:49 PM »
Only 13 months to go, friends.
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« Reply #44906 on: October 10, 2019, 08:41:47 PM »
Only 13 until the next 48  /Nintex

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« Reply #44908 on: October 10, 2019, 09:19:28 PM »
Nintex posts every Trump tweet or Trump speech or tweet about Trump except this one that he pretends never happened?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1179542037479202816

#WhatIsNintexHiding? #StopTheNintex #FreeKenLay #ArrestTimeSquarePikachu

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« Reply #44909 on: October 10, 2019, 09:35:11 PM »
https://twitter.com/c_cauterucci/status/1182452912053784576

Bernie literally would go under the knife and risk death than showing up for the gays.

:wag


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« Reply #44912 on: October 10, 2019, 10:35:24 PM »
Go off queen.

Trump is honestly looking pretty fucked.

The best response the Republicans have come up with is “the house didn’t vote to start an impeachment inquiry”

This is not required anywhere in the constitution nor house rules, and also didn’t happen during the Clinton impeachment, but, whatever.


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« Reply #44914 on: October 10, 2019, 10:47:04 PM »


Lindsey Graham trying his best Donald Trump impression.
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« Reply #44915 on: October 10, 2019, 10:48:34 PM »
imagine creating deep fakes of your lawyer, to throw him under the bus and  clear him

:trumps

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« Reply #44916 on: October 10, 2019, 10:55:33 PM »
will wait for Fiona Apple's testimony tbh, I heard that she's been a bad, bad girl and not only that but been careless with a delicate man

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« Reply #44917 on: October 10, 2019, 11:07:40 PM »
don't ever talk about fiona apple in this thread  >:(

keep fiona talk the heavenly angels only thread pls  :-[
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« Reply #44918 on: October 10, 2019, 11:21:17 PM »
jesus, benji was right. fox must just keep ed rollins locked up in a closet cause this dude is on at least one show a day :lol

https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1182442150451171336

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« Reply #44920 on: October 10, 2019, 11:31:32 PM »
Lou doesn't even really ask him questions or anything like the other guests, he just rambles and then goes "what do you think Ed?" who then talks about whatever he wants for a bit until Lou's ready to ramble again

then it's time for a break and they roll Ed back over into the corner for the night

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« Reply #44921 on: October 11, 2019, 12:02:00 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreign-born-men-who-helped-giuliani-on-ukraine-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charges-11570714188

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Mr. Giuliani, President Trump’s private lawyer, identified the two men in May as his clients. Both men have donated to Republican campaigns including Mr. Trump’s, and in May 2018 gave $325,000 to the primary pro-Trump super PAC, America First Action, through an LLC called Global Energy Producers, according to Federal Election Commission records.

The charges against the men include conspiracy and making false statements to the Federal Election Commission. Two other men were also charged in the campaign-fundraising scheme, the indictment says.

(Image removed from quote.)

I tuned into the Donald Trump twitch stream today and in the 5 seconds I had it open before I got eye cancer and died, two things stood out to me:

The big ticker/headline thing at the bottom said DRAIN THE SWAMP and below that was text telling people to go to his personal website to buy campaign merch.
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« Reply #44922 on: October 11, 2019, 12:13:00 AM »
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Lindsey Graham trying his best Donald Trump impression.

flip phone in 2019 lmao
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« Reply #44923 on: October 11, 2019, 12:59:20 AM »
https://twitter.com/efrostee/status/1182482861317865475

 :piss :boring :piss2

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« Reply #44924 on: October 11, 2019, 01:30:00 AM »
Allow me to use a little bit of my accredited degree training here.

Fox Business shows Trump's stump speeches, even Lou will let them interrupt his show for it. It's like 80% the same except for the stuff that gets swapped out for each state/city plus whatever he's ad-libbing about randomly. He always tells the same story about the 2016 election, that's part of why he still mentions Hillary so much it ties into his goofy story about election night. This story alone is like half an hour long depending on how much he digresses off of it.

I have to imagine the audience for people who watch them on TV who don't fit into my category of "people who left the TV on/people trapped in a McDonalds/may be dead/benjipwns/etc." are the same people who would go to these so even they can't stay ginned up the entire time.

Actually, the most shocking thing to me is how fucking long they are. He can really go like 90-120 minutes easily. W. and Obama were well on their way to the second term 20-30 minutes and hit Air Force One style at this point.

My favorite part is guaranteed to happen at least once: Trump will remember the name of the person he's campaigning for, and mention them during his ramble (but not in the section where he mentions everyone and they do come up on stage), then turn and look at them and clap while saying their name again and everyone will cheer and the camera will go to the person and they'll stand there clapping in response and wondering if Trump is calling them over or something because they totally weren't listening. And Trump will just stand there looking at them and clapping as everyone else is clapping and the person is clapping nervously because the people behind Trump are also clapping and looking at them like Trump is. Then after a period of this strange awkwardness he'll turn back to the podium and go back to the speech.

My Nintex fan fiction explanation is that Trump is staring them right in the eyes in a blinking contest and waiting for them to crack to prove he is the Alpha. Sometimes he'll do this whole thing with each of the candidates he's there to campaign for.

edit: why is there not a YouTube compilation of these

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« Reply #44925 on: October 11, 2019, 01:33:30 AM »
 :clap :clap :clap :clap :trumps
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« Reply #44926 on: October 11, 2019, 01:43:17 AM »


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The only openly LGBT candidate on stage, South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg was interrupted by protesters who were calling attention to the murders of black transgender women at the top of his time, but he acknowledged their concern.

"I believe, or would like to believe, that everybody here is committed to ending that epidemic, and that does include lifting up its visibility and speaking to it," Buttigieg said.

It’s not clear why they chose Buttigieg’s time to protest.

Buttigieg also said he’s mindful of the fact that his experience as a gay white man has been different than that of a "black gay woman that I also do not understand."

"There is no right or wrong way to be gay, to be queer, to be trans, and I hope that our own community, even as we struggle to define what our identity means, defines it in a way that lets everybody know that they belong among us."


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Sen. Elizabeth Warren had one of the more memorable moments of the night, earning laughs from the crowd when asked what she would say to someone who only wants marriage to be between a man and woman.

She responded, "I’m going to assume it’s a guy who said that. And I’m going to say, then just marry one woman -- assuming you can find one."
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Warren was asked if she regretted saying that she didn’t think a transition surgery for a Massachusetts prisoner was a “a good use of taxpayer dollars” in 2012, when she was running for Senate. It’s been described in the LGBTQ community as the one blemish on her record on LGBTQ issues.

“Yeah. It was a bad answer. And I think it was a bad answer. And I believe that everyone is entitled to medical care and medical care that they need and that includes people who are transgender who it is the time for them to have gender-affirming surgery. I just think that's appropriate and the appropriate medical care.”

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« Reply #44927 on: October 11, 2019, 01:49:55 AM »
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/10/bernie-sanders-heart-attack-229841
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Bernie Had a Heart Attack. We Need To Talk About That.
What’s worse: Bernie Sanders’ heart attack, or the fact he’s not being candid about it?

If there were a 25th Amendment for presidential candidates—that is, a mechanism to remove a physically unfit candidate from the campaign the way there is a constitutional mechanism to unseat a president who can’t “discharge the powers and duties of his office”—we would be talking right now about subtracting Bernie Sanders from the campaign trail until he proves himself physically fit to assume the powers of chief executive of the United States.
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As for his lack of transparency about his heart event, “That’s nonsense,” Sanders told NBC News. He said he wasn’t about to run to the New York Times and decant his medical condition every 15 minutes—even though nobody was asking for that sort of granularity. “I think we acted absolutely appropriately,” he said.

But feel free to question Sanders’ capacity to judge the status of his own health—if only because he does. “I must confess, I was dumb,” Sanders said on Tuesday. “I, in the last month or two, just was more fatigued than I usually have been. And I should have listened to those symptoms.”

Now that Sanders is listening to his symptoms, he should let us eavesdrop, too, or at least get a full readout of his health from his doctors so his supporters can glean a stronger sense of whether he’ll survive his potential term in office or whether his health will trigger 25th Amendment action should heart disease strike him again.

Sanders isn’t the only elderly presidential candidate who needs to answer the public’s questions about his health. Joe Biden, who will be 78 on the next Inauguration Day, has suffered two brain aneurysms and is given to rambling when answering questions or giving speeches. Donald Trump, who will be 74 on Inauguration Day, has been opaque about his health, as the Washington Post editorial board complained in 2018.

But for the time being, Sanders remains the leading candidate for increased medical scrutiny. He’s old and getting older, and we all know where that goes. He’s a sick man. But we don’t know how sick and he refuses to tell.

Perhaps the most damning thing about Sanders’ behavior over the past week is that it gives us a preview of how he might behave should illness strike him after he takes the presidential oath. Would he and his people deflect questions, postpone disclosure, and then blame the press for making a big deal about his health?
This is turning out just like when Hillary refused to step down from her campaign after dying.

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« Reply #44929 on: October 11, 2019, 02:11:11 AM »
Are they going to FACT CHECK Blossom C. Brown's claim that she is an "extraordinary black trans woman"?!?


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« Reply #44932 on: October 11, 2019, 07:28:39 AM »
There's a nice letter by 17 former Watergate special prosecutors:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-investigated-the-watergate-scandal-we-believe-trump-should-be-impeached/2019/10/10/5cf0c2ce-eb72-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

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We investigated the Watergate scandal. We believe Trump should be impeached.
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By 17 former Watergate special prosecutors
Oct. 10, 2019 at 8:31 p.m. UTC

We, former members of the Watergate special prosecutor force, believe there exists compelling prima facie evidence that President Trump has committed impeachable offenses. This evidence can be accepted as sufficient for impeachment, unless disproved by any contrary evidence that the president may choose to offer.

The ultimate judgment on whether to impeach the president is for members of the House of Representatives to make. The Constitution establishes impeachment as the proper mechanism for addressing these abuses; therefore, the House should proceed with the impeachment process, fairly, openly and promptly. The president’s refusal to cooperate in confirming (or disputing) the facts already on the public record should not delay or frustrate the House’s performance of its constitutional duty.

In reaching these conclusions, we take note of 1) the public statements by Trump himself; 2) the findings of former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation; 3) the readout that the president released of his phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky; 4) the president’s continuing refusal to produce documents or allow testimony by current and former government employees for pending investigations, as well as for oversight matters; and 5) other information now publicly available, including State Department text messages indicating that the release of essential military aid to Ukraine was conditioned on Ukraine’s willingness to commence a criminal investigation designed to further the president’s political interests.

In the 1970s, we investigated serious abuses of presidential power by President Richard M. Nixon, including obstruction of justice, concealment of government records and misuse of government agencies to punish his political enemies. We prosecuted many of Nixon’s aides for their complicity in Nixon’s offenses. Rather than indicting the president, the grand jury named him an unindicted co-conspirator, delivered to the House a “road map” of the evidence implicating him in wrongdoing and deferred to the House’s constitutional responsibility to address such presidential wrongdoing through the impeachment process.

The House, through its Judiciary Committee, fulfilled that responsibility by reviewing the evidence, interviewing witnesses and concluding that the facts warranted adopting three articles of impeachment: one for obstruction, one for abuse of power and one for contempt of Congress. Shortly thereafter, the president resigned rather than face a Senate trial.

In our considered view, the same three articles of impeachment could be specified against Trump, as he has demonstrated serious and persistent abuses of power that, in our view, satisfy the constitutional standard of “high crimes and misdemeanors.” For example:

● Trump conditioned protection of the military security of the United States and of an ally (Ukraine) on actions for his personal political benefit.

● Trump subordinated the integrity of our national electoral process to his own personal political interest by soliciting and encouraging foreign government interference in our electoral process, including by Russia and China. He also appears to have demanded that Ukraine investigate a potential 2020 political opponent and pursue the conspiracy theory that Ukraine had interfered in the 2016 presidential election, despite the unanimous conclusion of the U.S. intelligence community that it was Russia that had interfered.

● According to the evidence laid out in the Mueller report, Trump engaged in multiple acts of obstruction of justice in violation of federal criminal statutes and of his oath of office to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” Because Mueller viewed Justice Department policy as precluding him from filing criminal charges against the president, the special counsel appropriately stated that these abuses are for Congress to address.

● Trump obstructed lawful congressional investigations by systematically withholding evidence and by directing government agencies and employees to refuse to cooperate with legitimate oversight by Congress. Most significantly, the president’s blanket refusal to honor requests for relevant information sought by House members conducting an impeachment inquiry constitutes impeachable contempt and obstruction. The public is entitled to know the facts, and Congress is the body our democracy has entrusted with uncovering them.

The Constitution provides for the elected representatives of the people to resort to impeachment in extraordinary circumstances showing that this drastic remedy is necessary to restrain, and possibly remove, a president who has engaged in high crimes and misdemeanors. Proper regard for reestablishing and protecting the rule of law requires firm and resolute action by the House. Lawmakers should not allow any refusal by the president to cooperate in its process to frustrate the performance of its constitutional duties.

If a bill of impeachment comes before the Senate, we urge all members of the Senate to put aside partisan loyalties and carry out their own constitutional duties courageously and honestly. In 1974, it was a group of Republican senators who put national interest over party loyalty and informed Nixon that his conduct was indefensible and would compel conviction by the Senate and removal from office. We hope the current Senate would similarly put honor and integrity above partisanship and personal political interest.

The following signers are all former members of the Justice Department’s special prosecutor team that investigated the Watergate scandal:

Nick Akerman, former assistant U.S. attorney in the Southern District of New York

Richard Ben-Veniste, former member of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

Richard J. Davis, former assistant secretary of the treasury for enforcement and operations

Carl B. Feldbaum, former inspector general for Defense Intelligence, former assistant to the energy secretary and former chief of staff to Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter

George T. Frampton Jr., former assistant secretary of the Interior and former chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality

Kenneth S. Geller, formerly deputy U.S. solicitor general

Gerald Goldman, former clerk for U.S. Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan

Stephen E. Haberfeld, former U.S. magistrate judge in the Central District of California

Larry Hammond, former first deputy assistant attorney general in the Office of Legal Counsel

Henry Hecht, lecturer in residence at University of California at Berkeley School of Law

Paul R. Hoeber, lawyer in private practice

Philip Allen Lacovara, former deputy solicitor general of the United States; former special counsel to the House Ethics Committee; and former president of the D.C. Bar

Paul R. Michel, former chief judge for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit and former associate deputy attorney general of the United States

Robert L. Palmer, lawyer in private practice

Richard Weinberg, former assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York

Jill Wine-Banks, former general counsel of the U.S. Army; former solicitor general and deputy attorney general of the state of Illinois; and former chief operating officer of the American Bar Association

Roger Witten, lawyer in private practice
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There is sufficient publically available evidence right now to impeach AND remove Trump from office. (The Mueller report alone was enough.)
They urge the Republican senators to come to their senses and do the right thing. (lol)
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benjipwns

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Very legal and very cool
« Reply #44933 on: October 11, 2019, 08:15:38 AM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-11/biden-camp-warns-rivals-off-attacks-on-his-family-in-ohio-debate
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Joe Biden has a warning for his Democratic rivals as they prepare for the fourth televised debate next week: Stay away from the issue of Ukraine and Hunter Biden.

The 12 candidates participating in Tuesday’s debate in Westerville, Ohio, are honing their answers to questions about the U.S. House impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump, which centers on the president’s request to the leader of Ukraine to investigate unfounded allegations about Biden and his son’s work there.

But the front-runner’s campaign suggests they shouldn’t stray into shots about the Biden family.

An aide to Biden said that any candidate who “calls themselves a ‘Democrat’” and repeats what the aide said were “discredited lies” about Biden and his son “would be making a profound statement about themselves.”
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Aides to some of the other candidates in the debate say they do not expect their candidates to shy away from repeating their public criticisms.

Senator Kamala Harris of California, who sparred with Biden in the first debate over his past positions on busing, said she would “probably not” let a child of her vice president sit on the board of a foreign energy company.

Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey told CNN last month, “I just don’t think children of vice presidents, presidents during the administration should be out there doing that.”

After a labor forum in Los Angeles last week, former Representative Beto O’Rourke said, “I would not allow a family member, anyone in my cabinet to have a family member, to work in a position like that.”

However, one spokesman for a Democratic debate participant said Democrats have learned from 2016 to tread carefully around using Trump’s attacks on other Democrats because that could sow division.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Very legal and very cool
« Reply #44934 on: October 11, 2019, 08:27:07 AM »
God, I hope that's the thing that'll finally sink him. Just so he finally goes to the retirement home and the elder abuse stops.

nachobro

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Very legal and very cool
« Reply #44935 on: October 11, 2019, 08:42:25 AM »
Lou doesn't even really ask him questions or anything like the other guests, he just rambles and then goes "what do you think Ed?" who then talks about whatever he wants for a bit until Lou's ready to ramble again

then it's time for a break and they roll Ed back over into the corner for the night
he was on hannity doing the same thing last night too. seems they just get him in there when they have 10-15mins to kill.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Very legal and very cool
« Reply #44936 on: October 11, 2019, 09:08:44 AM »
https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1182493159449907200


Make up your own pronunciation of an established name and then accuse someone of violence for pronouncing it wrong, brehs.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Very legal and very cool
« Reply #44937 on: October 11, 2019, 09:11:52 AM »
https://twitter.com/DanaVivianWhite/status/1182488805867245568

fake news cnn gettin' dat werk  :whew

He took her mic

we cant hear you

hahaha


These townhalls are stupid as fuck for dem primaries

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Very legal and very cool
« Reply #44938 on: October 11, 2019, 09:16:24 AM »
https://twitter.com/efrostee/status/1182482861317865475

 :piss :boring :piss2

 :thinking maybe nodding off from opiates

It's the look of "I get 3 sick days a year and I wasted 1 on this shit?"
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Very legal and very cool
« Reply #44939 on: October 11, 2019, 09:18:53 AM »
https://twitter.com/DanaVivianWhite/status/1182488805867245568

fake news cnn gettin' dat werk  :whew

He took her mic

we cant hear you

hahaha


These townhalls are stupid as fuck for dem primaries

edit: meh

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It's wild.  At one point, a trans person of color grabbed the mic from a trans child who appeared to be a person of color himself, to complain no trans people of color were speaking.   Honestly I get a feeling CNN knew the "protests" would happen and condoned that behavior to appear edgy rather than get more trans people’s serious questions.  In fact, the whole night was a debacle of softballs, assuming “the viewer” is ignorant, and disruptions (likely that CNN had notice of). If people hadn’t been stealing mics there’d have been time to ask legit questions like legit issues with the TSA and trans people while traveling or something.  I get that trans lives matter, but these protesters who can’t even let the candidate talk at a fucking LGBTQ forum and address the issues they care about without screaming and stealing microphones...lol. Go protest at a Trump rally, don’t steal time from Mayor Pete. These low stakes “slacktivists” are becoming an embarrassment, not something to be applauded over and over.
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