US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[chronovore]

PARTY FOUL:
https://vimeo.com/231783786

The spot uses Ronald Reagan’s farewell address at length as he lauds the country’s diversity.

“If there had to be city walls, the walls had doors. And the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here,” Reagan says from the Oval Office, as diverse faces of Americans are shown. “That’s how I saw it, and see it still.”

The 30-second spots, placed by Democratic media firm GMMB and confirmed by Emerson, will run until next Tuesday...in at least the television markets of Denver, Colo.; Louisville, Ky.; Raleigh, N.C.; Las Vegas, Nev.; and Milwaukee, Wis.

talk about copyright infringement

Don't worry, Melania will claim that she wrote the spot herself.

[Boredfrom]

Not that she wasn't unlikeable, but she actually did win the popularity contest

To bad that the popularity contest of your school gives points by winning  classrooms. Even the winner ended feeling like a less special Prom Queen.   

[Nola]

Have $20T in national debt, believe taxes are too high, then complain about the size of the national debt, brehs.

What about 4% sustained GDP growth do you not understand breh?

[curly]

I never got the idea of someone being "unlikeable". Maybe because I tend to like 99% of people. There are some mean-spirited, cynical motherfuckers out there.

[thisismyusername]

-idiots like thisismyusername wanting to vote in a magical happy funtime wonderland instead of being an adult and just voting for someone that's even 51% of what you want instead of actual Hitler by voting for a 3rd party or writing in Bernie or Tom Cruise or Violent Jay or whatever

As it is, politics are a dog and pony show. Again: She said nothing (so that 51% is stupid) to me to make me want to vote for her. So "holding my nose and vote for her since she's not Trump" wasn't enough reason for me. I'm sorry, but my voting in politics affects me far more than it affects others. As weird as that sounds.

To continue to kick Hillary for her reality distortion field:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/seth-meyers-puts-hillary-clinton-on-blast-for-blaming-bernie

“Hey, Hillary Clinton, don’t blame Bernie because Donald Trump called you names,” Meyers said. “I promise you he was going to do that anyway. It’s not like Trump watched Bernie at the debates and thought, ‘Criticizing Hillary… that just might work!’”

“You think Trump needed Bernie’s permission to be an asshole?” he asked. “Assholes don’t need permission. That’s what makes them assholes.”

Sander's was never the problem past Democratic voters that buy into his issues. The problem with Clinton is many years of baggage and not running around Rust-belt states and telling them she is going to do them something that Trump did.

I don't discount that there is many things that sunk her, but the major one is her overwhelming unpopularity in those areas. It's always an uphill battle for Democrats in "red" counties.

[jorma]

The only thing that makes you a potential idiot is voting for someone you don't actually want to represent you.

[thisismyusername]

The only thing that makes you a potential idiot is voting for someone you don't actually want to represent you.

The thing is:

I didn't want either one to represent me. So who the fuck do I vote for in that case? Holding my nose for one that I don't support at all (Fuck Trump) and one that would do shit that doesn't support me and would do shit that I totally don't support either (Clinton, who may be qualified, but I don't support)?

Yeah, that does me real good. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6ykcow/seth_meyers_puts_hillary_clinton_on_blast_for/dmo39nc/

This is a decent comment about the problem with Clinton:

Most qualified doesn't mean much of anything if good judgement isn't in the package.

Between her private e-mail server, her hawkish policies on Libya, Syria, and Yemen (now currently the largest humanitarian crisis in the world), her State Department's blind eye to the coup in Honduras, her duplicity on the Colombia FTA, her lies about Sanders during the campaign (on healthcare legislation support, 'standing with vigilante minutemen,' guns from Vermont and the Newtown massacre, etc ... ), not to mention her campaign's unethical collusion with the media (incl. Maggie Haberman, et al.) and their disastrous strategy to elevate Trump in the GOP primary as a 'pied piper candidate' ... one could go on and on.
Was she better than Trump? Sure. Was she a competent politician? Absolutely. Did she offer real, structural change? Eh, kind of, on some domestic policy issues. Was she ethical or progressive? No. Did she have good judgement? No. Especially not on foreign policy.

Trump of course doesn't have any good judgement or qualifications or ethics, and I'm not looking to inordinately villify Clinton. But there are many of us who just wish she and her supporters would admit to her shortcomings rather than pretending like they don't exist.

As it is, let me remind you: I live in a county that totally goes blue 100% of the time in a sea of red counties. I have seen both sides of this election and knew Trump was gonna win because those red counties are just like the rust-belt. Her unpopularity there was gonna sink her no matter what when she couldn't afford the time to try to appeal to the coal-miner/blue-collar working classes.

AND my vote didn't matter shit in the big-picture because said county went blue again like I thought it would. So you folks can continue to throw a tantrum because I didn't vote for either folk who I felt was unqualified and wouldn't represent my views in government. Just like I didn't vote for folks that I felt wouldn't support my views in congress/house. Because in the end, it didn't really fucking matter. , again

[Brehvolution]

https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/905529652369698816

[Brehvolution]

https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/905611123394793472

[jorma]

The only thing that makes you a potential idiot is voting for someone you don't actually want to represent you.

The thing is:

I didn't want either one to represent me. So who the fuck do I vote for in that case? Holding my nose for one that I don't support at all (Fuck Trump) and one that would do shit that doesn't support me and would do shit that I totally don't support either (Clinton, who may be qualified, but I don't support)?

Yeah, that does me real good. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6ykcow/seth_meyers_puts_hillary_clinton_on_blast_for/dmo39nc/

This is a decent comment about the problem with Clinton:

Most qualified doesn't mean much of anything if good judgement isn't in the package.

Between her private e-mail server, her hawkish policies on Libya, Syria, and Yemen (now currently the largest humanitarian crisis in the world), her State Department's blind eye to the coup in Honduras, her duplicity on the Colombia FTA, her lies about Sanders during the campaign (on healthcare legislation support, 'standing with vigilante minutemen,' guns from Vermont and the Newtown massacre, etc ... ), not to mention her campaign's unethical collusion with the media (incl. Maggie Haberman, et al.) and their disastrous strategy to elevate Trump in the GOP primary as a 'pied piper candidate' ... one could go on and on.
Was she better than Trump? Sure. Was she a competent politician? Absolutely. Did she offer real, structural change? Eh, kind of, on some domestic policy issues. Was she ethical or progressive? No. Did she have good judgement? No. Especially not on foreign policy.

Trump of course doesn't have any good judgement or qualifications or ethics, and I'm not looking to inordinately villify Clinton. But there are many of us who just wish she and her supporters would admit to her shortcomings rather than pretending like they don't exist.

As it is, let me remind you: I live in a county that totally goes blue 100% of the time in a sea of red counties. I have seen both sides of this election and knew Trump was gonna win because those red counties are just like the rust-belt. Her unpopularity there was gonna sink her no matter what when she couldn't afford the time to try to appeal to the coal-miner/blue-collar working classes.

AND my vote didn't matter shit in the big-picture because said county went blue again like I thought it would. So you folks can continue to throw a tantrum because I didn't vote for either folk who I felt was unqualified and wouldn't represent my views in government. Just like I didn't vote for folks that I felt wouldn't support my views in congress/house. Because in the end, it didn't really fucking matter. , again

Using your right to declare both candidates too unfit to rule is perfectly fine as a voter. Voting for any candidate isn't a duty, or a privilege or anything like that.
It's your right and you should use it any way you see fit.
The ones claiming you are a manchild for exercising that right any way you see fit are the real idiots.

[Rufus]

I didn't want either one to represent me. So who the fuck do I vote for in that case?

If you do want to participate*, then the answers is "the lesser evil."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_voting#Tactical_voting

Actually, it would be better to say "have influence", as you're participating so long as you're voting. Whatever that's worth...

[headwalk]

to be fair i only vote for people who i can at least halfheartedly endorse. suffice to say i don't vote often, about once when i've liked the MP for the constituency. i don't preach it as something everyone should do, infact i'm glad they don't, but i've always been more about the individual than a pragmatist.

not sure if that makes me a lol dumb cunt or whatever in the modern climate but don't remember people having much of a problem with it in the past.

[toku]

Koch Brothers Will Push Congress to Protect DREAMers

[Brehvolution]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-flock-to-trump-properties-to-give-birth-to-us-citizens

[benjipwns]

I'm sorry, but my voting in politics affects me far more than it affects others. As weird as that sounds.

As weird as obvious basic facts and simple mathematics sound?

Remember, only adults think that their secretly cast vote is so innately powerful, purely because it is they who are casting it, that it changes the polarity of other votes it's placed near. Only adults, not children, know when selecting from a small amount of options presented to you privately it's important to consider that millions of others will follow your example when you don't tell them what you selected. Also keep in mind that adults recognize the power of the one-drop rule. And remember, only an adult would see that the end ritual is alone not only more powerful but so powerful that it can render moot the year and a half of communication they participated in prior to the ritual.
 
Plus you wouldn't call it "casting" if magic wasn't somehow related would you? Only an adult would make that connection.

[benjipwns]

“Hey, Hillary Clinton, don’t blame Bernie because Donald Trump called you names,” Meyers said. “I promise you he was going to do that anyway. It’s not like Trump watched Bernie at the debates and thought, ‘Criticizing Hillary… that just might work!’”

I just checked though and Trump didn't attack Hillary in either of the GOP debates before the first Democratic one. Only Obama.

Seth Meyers should really reconsider his risking dying on the same hill that Jimmy Fallon's journalistic credentials did.

[seagrams hotsauce]

For a guy who claims to like 99% of people you sure spend a lot of time talking about how many people you don't like

[benjipwns]

we are the 1%

[agrajag]

Jack is like those people on GAF that call people Nazi's when they don't pass their purity tests, except Jack's only purity test is if you welcome the YAS QUEEN into your heart or not.

[team filler]

Trump sucks, but I'm still glad Hildog lost.

[benjipwns]

FOX needs to update this, though how they left off Bernie in the first place really makes me question the quality of their research and journalism:

[zomgee]

thats some good research

[benjipwns]

Trump retweeted this

https://twitter.com/Team_Trump45/status/904162667547549696

[benjipwns]

https://verrit.com/hillary-democrats-are-the-heart-and-conscience-of-america/

Hillary Democrats are the heart and conscience of America. They cast a vote for compassion, inclusion, justice, and equality – the values that make America great. It is a travesty that they continue to be treated with disdain and disrespect.

The response has been overwhelmingly enthusiastic among Clinton’s voters, with hundreds of thousands of site visits, comments, social media follows, signups, emails, etc. It validates the purpose of the platform, a place where the shared interests, values, and aspirations of 65.8 million Americans can be centered, free of harassment and hate.

Verrit was met with an entirely predictable response from Clinton’s detractors: rage, abuse, bullying, mockery. Within an hour of her tweet, a denial-of-service attack took the site down temporarily. Message board forums sprouted with users openly plotting to hack the site. Tech writers with an anti-Clinton bent focused on everything except Verrit’s stated purpose: To provide rigorously vetted information and analysis for people who are marginalized and threatened whenever they speak up. Rightwing media, from Breitbart to the Daily Caller, slammed Verrit and regurgitated the usual smears.

The effort to silence and invisibilize Hillary Clinton and her voters continues unabated since the 2016 election. In fact, if the frenzy over Verrit’s launch is any indication, the hostility has intensified. But that won’t deter us from serving the needs and aspirations of our community, no matter how desperate the attacks.

soupcity
September 7, 2017 at 4:59 pm
I’ve seen a LOT of ugliness on Twitter but the last few days, especially beltway media, has been beyond the pale. How Peter and Leela do it every day I’ll never know.

“Professional” journalists and people I’ve admired..for YEARS..have been downright ugly about this site and Hillary’s book. It’s depressing and enlightening.

The misogyny and the mocking have been like another punch to the gut, and we’ve had more than our share over the past year or so. Just grateful I can come here and say this without having to dread looking at awful responses.

Lori
September 7, 2017 at 2:54 pm
I am so happy to have a site to go to for conversation and news for reasonable, compassionate people who are still with Hillary. I never stopped being with her. The attacks on her are vicious and show just how much misogyny is alive and well in the US. I had a couple of my employees say that Hillary should be jailed and they thought they were so clever by calling her ‘Killary’. One is a woman. Where did they get the information that led them to believe those things? Breitbart and other RW sites. When I laid the truth out for them their jaws dropped. Did they change their minds? Not yet. But, my hope is they start thinking and research the issues for themselves instead of relying on entertainment sites. I look forward to seeing news and articles in a place where hatred, misogyny, and bigotry is not allowed. Thank you.

Carolyn Joanne Muth
September 7, 2017 at 10:42 am
I’m so glad to have this venue and to know other like minded people really do exist. I’ve followed Hillary Clinton since the days of It Takes a Village was published. The venom that has been unleashed on her over the years has been unbelievable. Not only do we not have the first female president…our country lost out on the absolute most qualified person to be at the helm during these turbulent times. The Bernie or busters bear as much responsibility as Putin does for putting Mr T rump into Hillary’s rightful place.

https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/905019644322476032

https://twitter.com/AnaMardoll/status/904848710663888899

Ann C. Davidson
September 7, 2017 at 6:59 am
I hesitated before signing up for Verrit, mostly because I read Mr. Daou’s Twitter feed and get Verrit cards on my Twitter feed already; however, watching the over-the-top media frenzy (not to mention the overheated rhetoric from both left and right) regarding the launch, convinced me that joining Verrit was the right thing to do. The fact that some are attempting to strangle Verrit while it’s still in the cradle shows how little some who claim freedom of speech for themselves really respect that right for others. As a member of the “silenced majority” I appreciate the chance to participate in a forum that represents my point of view, treats its members with respect, and welcomes reasoned discussion.

Emily
September 6, 2017 at 7:28 pm
There’s a thread on Reddit today about Bernie’s response to the couple of paragraphs from her book that were widely circulated. There’s ~2,000 angry comments, blaming Hillary and her supporters for everything under the sun. That thread is a fantastic representation of the treatment that we get on the web and it’s been nonstop since before the election. Verrit is needed and I’m glad it exists.

Audrey Regan
September 6, 2017 at 2:22 am
Perhaps those who attack verrit and it’s founders don’t understand the power of believing in someone. 65.8 million of us believe in Hillary Clinton. That didn’t stop just because a rather unimpressive batch of old white guys lied, defamed, and colluded to bring her down. How powerful that must have made them feel.

https://verrit.com/bernie-sanders-and-the-mainstream-media-helped-put-trump-in-the-white-house/

Suki Graves
September 7, 2017 at 1:15 pm
Many will claim it was Bernard’s followers, surrogates, or bots who carried out the most malicious trolling. They say Bernard wasn’t culpable and he did his best to campaign for Hillary. While I cannot prove intent, I disbelieve this completely. I believe Bernard himself was responsible for the tone of his campaign, and that he was aware of GOP/Putin trolls working in his favor and did nothing to dispute their lies. He put Trump in the White House and now he thinks he’ll walk right into it in 2020 after millions of vulnerable lives have been damaged by this so-called “revolution”.

Correen
September 7, 2017 at 9:45 am
I voted for Bernie in primary and “was” proud of that vote. Then the convention..his true colors came shining thru! His childish pouting and surrogate shenanigans left me feeling disgusted. Almost feels, by design, they were/are still sowing discord, chaos and doubt.

Lianna
September 5, 2017 at 11:33 pm
I especially appreciate this sentence:

“The debate over what took place in 2016 is about the future, not the past. We witnessed a travesty with far-reaching and dangerously unpredictable consequences. To avoid repeating the same mistakes, we have to speak the truth honestly and forcefully.”

Bernie supporters act like Clinton supporters are suffering from hysteria, or crying over spilt milk. “You’re alienating us! What good does that do?” they say, “See how far that got you?”

Frankly its an abuse tactic. I was eloquent enough to describe how their gas-lighting affects our nation, I just know its infuriating beyond measure. And we are reminded of it every single time Donald Trump does anything — he is literally the consequence of our inability to properly address racism, sexism, in our country and within our party.

Bill Wayman
September 5, 2017 at 11:36 pm
I actually really like how they say all the comments are reviewed before publishing them, it makes me feel safe to be a human being while engaging in an online forum.

Amy Grewe
September 4, 2017 at 9:01 pm
Now THIS I Love!
“To maintain a respectful, civil, and productive dialogue, all comments are reviewed before publication and will not appear on the site until approved. Harassment, name-calling, intimidation, disruption, trolling, conspiracies, profanity, incitement, and intolerance are prohibited. We reserve the right to alter or remove terminology that violates our policy before publishing a comment.”

MzRussell
September 5, 2017 at 1:19 am
Now-that is class

Betty Bagtas
September 5, 2017 at 2:39 am
A place to discuss issues with no harassment, name-calling, or profanity? Thank you!!

i have a new favorite website

[TakingBackSunday]

oh boy

[agrajag]

I don't hate anybody, I just wish death and torment on people all the time.

[benjipwns]

[benjipwns]

No lies detected in any of that

DIAF, benji.

Just grateful I can come here and say this without having to dread looking at awful responses.

It makes me feel safe to be a human being while engaging in an online forum.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/905165259081740289

BOOM. ROASTED.

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/905176156621733893

this dude is the best

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/905178420153339914

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/905169203627483137

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/905165701958299648

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[benjipwns]

From WaPo article about it:

musiclawyer
9/6/2017 4:25 PM EDT
Seriously. Your hatred for Hillary voters and supporters is out of control, and obvious to all. We were forced to hide during the election because of the ugly and rampant BernieBro attacks, and now, you and many in the media are hellbent on telling the woman who won the popular vote (despite Russia, Comey and Bernie/Jill) and all of her supporters, the people who DO want to see the kind of change Hillary proposed, to shut up. We won't. We're here to stay. We're tired of hearing about Bernie (who's NOT a Democrat) and is purist ideologues. We're tired of reading story after story about "What makes a Trump voter [angry, happy, upset, not racist]?". And we want Verrit.

lrw777
9/6/2017 4:28 PM EDT
Wow! Another occasion to insult Hillary Clinton! Why did the Post print Molly Robert's trashy text?
I was an am a supporter of Hillary Clinton and I welcome Verrit, as I do Hillary Clinton's continued contributions to American public life. But then it's not a site for idiots.

Proof we don't just want but NEED Verrit, no more hiding

Peter and Leela driving the discussion against anti-American cowards like Bernard Soviet Sanders supporters

[zomgee]

No lies detected in any of that

DIAF, benji.

[benjipwns]

Do you even realize how many women had to make secret facebook groups because of the abuse they took from Sanders supporters last year? Christ on a crutch, shut the FUCK up, benji.

you forgot to include the authentication code number

[Great Rumbler]

When you're on your deathbed and your children ask how hard you worked to get Hillary elected what will you tell them?

[benjipwns]

Lou Dobbs reads benji?!?

[benjipwns]

Certainly not after the evidence was taken off Seth Rich's still warm body.

[benjipwns]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/07/hillary-clinton-book-bernie-sanders-democrats-215584

Democrats are living their own version of Groundhog Day. Every day, they wake up and realize they are still in the 2016 presidential primary.

The leaked excerpts of Hillary Clinton’s campaign memoir, “What Happened,” have stirred up another round of relitigation over, well, what happened. Clinton reserves some blame for Vladimir Putin, James Comey and herself. But it’s her fingering of Bernie Sanders that has cheered her loyalists, enraged his, and made every other Democrat consider emulating Bill Murray by taking a bath with a plugged-in toaster.

[benjipwns]

Hillary Clinton has added another name to her long list of grievances about those who cost her the election, this time singling out energized anti-Trump women marchers for failing to deliver before her historic loss.

Clinton referenced the throngs of protesters who took the streets of Washington and other cities in a Women's march shortly after his election. But her thoughts moved from the calls to resistance to the Trump agenda to why they hadn't summoned that same passion for her own campaign. 

"I couldn’t help but ask where those feelings of solidarity, outrage and passion had been during the election," Clinton writes in her new memoir

this book, why did nobody stop this

[bluemax]

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/537909/

"The first white president"

[Trent Dole]

[benjipwns]

Seriously go fuck yourself, Ben.

https://verrit.com/maligning-hillary-clinton-from-the-left-is-a-conscious-embrace-of-the-right/

The character assassination of Hillary Clinton, aided by a hostile foreign power, remains one of the greatest travesties of American politics. The myth that she was a flawed and unpopular candidate is pervasive, but still a myth.

Hillary Clinton is the heart and soul of the Democratic Party, someone who has always been the tip of the spear in the fight for women’s rights, health care, and many other core progressive policies. She should be treated with the dignity and respect she has earned over the decades, not shunned or brushed away.

Any Democrat or progressive who echoed the GOP’s anti-Clinton talking points during the election helped Donald Trump. Anyone who continues to treat her like an outcast is siding with the far right, whose singular purpose was to take her down.

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/905966492948336641

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/905941020118048769

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   Andrey
September 8, 2017 at 2:53 am
Agreed. What happened to Hillary is perhaps the most vicious case of bullying and cyberbullying ever. She fought like a lion. A competent, smart and compassionate candidate. She doesn’t have much to apologize for. I hope those who vilified her during one of the sleepless nights have a moment of clarity. May be they can see that they helped to deprive the country of potentially a very good president. May be they come to this site and apologize. A simple “sorry” would suffice.

[VomKriege]

I never got the idea of someone being "unlikeable". Maybe because I tend to like 99% of people. There are some mean-spirited, cynical motherfuckers out there.

[benjipwns]

It only seems like that because of the outsized attention select members of the 1% receive as individuals, often people who are the 1% of the 1% making them stand out even more from any random selection from the larger (in either cohort) 99%.

For example, on wealth, a household only needs about $10 million in assets to be in the American 1% but even if they kill someone you won't hear about it as much as you would when Mark Zuckerberg goes all Mr. Burns and has dinner with some Trump supporters. Or something like how Buffet and Zuckerberg both could just call up Obama and the Clintons whenever and do/did. Or literally everything about Trump ever.

W. hated politics and political people, Jeb! was the one who constantly was getting people patronage and running for everything he could and trying to take over the Florida GOP. W. decided to run against Ann Richards because it "felt" right and fun. And then when he decided to run for President (because Jeb! lost in 1994) he was able to activate the politico 1%-er Bush network and then when he won use it to staff up the administration. (Clinton in 1993 had to rely on a good number of Carter era retreads initially, Obama had such a small network he had to fill spots with Clintonites his staff didn't trust and turn to Senators for help, had Hillary won in 2008 or 2016 it would be more like W. than either of those two. And probably why her State investiture wasn't a mess outside of those e-mails....and that "reset" button...and Benghazi...and selling influence to the Saudi's and anyone else who paid Bill...and allowing Huma to work with Valerie Jarrett to establish the Muslim Brotherhood as in control of Middle East policy, taking out the competing warlord Osama, so that Obama could with Hillary's help found and expand ISIS as part of their...Jack, are you having a seizure? Jack! Quick! Somebody, we need something so he doesn't bite off his tongue!)

[Himu]

Hahahahahaahaha the Clinton shitting is delicioso

 

I have nothing else to say except I pray that history books tell the truth: that Hillary Clinton fucked us all through arrogance and incompetence.

I truly hope that she has a dildo that she has nicknamed "donors". Fuck Hillary Clinton. Tim Kaine as VP. The nerve of this bitch.

[benjipwns]

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/07/hillary-clinton-book-tour-democrats-242419

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 related:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/349548-clintons-score-settling-frustrates-democrats

Not everyone was so charitable. Even some of Clinton’s allies have grown weary of her insistence on re-litigating the 2016 campaign at a time when the Democratic Party is looking to forge a new identity in the age of Trump.

“The best thing she could do is disappear,” said one former Clinton fundraiser and surrogate who played an active role at the convention. “She’s doing harm to all of us because of her own selfishness. Honestly, I wish she’d just shut the f--- up and go away.”

Since her loss, Clinton has taken fire from both sides of the aisle for what’s seen as her refusal to acknowledge her own role in her campaign’s defeat.

She has blamed Russian hackers, sexism and former FBI Director James Comey for her defeat. But she has proven less vocal about flaws in her own campaign.

Clinton’s latest election musings have also reopened old wounds from the bitter primary fight with Sanders right as Democrats say their focus should be on finding an economic message that appeals to the Rust Belt voters who abandoned the party for Trump.

Quadruple KO.

Edit: Whoops, wrong thread, but still. I'm sure this'll Jack while I sit here like: (Image removed from quote.)

TL;DR: Read fucking Twitter, Reddit, /pol/, Newpapers folks: Get all the opinions of multitudes of various voters and people (smart or not) and then look at the dog and pony show that is politics and see where the popularity comes in.

"But she won the popular vo--"

Doesn't matter when the system says that shit doesn't matter. She wasn't popular in the areas that mattered and that's where it fucks her over.

See ya'll when a natural disaster hasn't nuked the entire South East from Orbit.

[close]

POST THIS IN THE POLITICS THREAD SO I CAN SEE MANDARKS REACTION

FUCK HILLARY SHILLS NOW AND FOREVER

I don't think Mandark has ever been a Hillary shill

Actually, The Bore never seemed to go down that route except Andrex who was allowed it because it was his first election. Also he took jokes about it well.

If there was any real Hillary defending it was because for most of the cycle AiA was actually in the thread doing his thing and the forum is mostly Democratic-ifwehaveto-leaning. I don't even remember it being very testy or anything between anybody for most of the cycle, more look at this nonsense type of stuff, probably in part because we all figured Hillary was going to win?

Jack didn't post back then as much, but this seems more like a new development in his character, I think he's part of Verrit staff, uses the same exact language as in their posts. Trying to be as cutting and ether people with brilliant one liners like Peter Daou. Started this new gig here just as that site went up.

I don't really remember if beloved former Bore poster The Walrus did much rabid defending of Hillary, unlikely since he was pretty calm and data focused and never one to trash others though, abhorred people who told others to die or fuck off. Real stand up feller who was right about NeoGAF.com's secret cabal he just identified the wrong staff members...so far.

Of course, we didn't know about Seth Rich back then. Or how Hillary was going to refuse to accept the election results and setup an extended media empire after her defeat. Or how our President would humbly bring the country together by pointing out that even despite the Democrats having millions of illegal votes cast he still fairly won the election without a single major scandal unlike Crooked Hillary who had to resort to the heinous and unprecedented step of stealing a debate question as part of her larger heist of the Democratic primary.

[benjipwns]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/7/voter-fraud-alert-over-5000-new-hampshire-presiden/

More than 5,000 out-of-state voters may have tipped New Hampshire against Trump

More than 6,500 people registered to vote in New Hampshire on Nov. 8 using out-of-state driver’s licenses, and since then the vast majority have neither obtained an in-state license nor registered a motor vehicle.

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In the presidential race, Democrat Hillary Clinton defeated Republican Donald Trump in New Hampshire by 2,736 votes. In an even tighter race, for the Granite State’s U.S. Senate seat, Democratic challenger Maggie Hassan defeated incumbent Republican Kelly Ayotte by 1,017 votes.

Logan Churchwell, spokesman for Public Interest Legal Foundation, which investigates voter fraud, said Mr. Jasper’s numbers bolster his group’s findings that many people vote in New Hampshire without proof of residence.

“We’ve known for months that more voters cast ballots without any proof of actually living in New Hampshire than the differentials for either federal contest there in 2016,” he said. “Now it looks like they were back in Boston in time to watch the election returns that evening. The left-wing groups suing to block new proof-of-residence laws for same-day voter registration are really proving what drives them to the courthouse.”

Democrats caught blue-handed yet again.

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Who knew The Bore was an  enclave of the 1%

You tell people here die in a fire every day if they have a single problem with Clinton

[benjipwns]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/08/bernie-backers-attacks-infuriate-democrats-242386

Prominent Democrats are increasingly riled by attacks from Bernie Sanders' supporters, whose demands for ideological purity are hurting the party ahead of the 2018 midterms and 2020 presidential election, they say.

But it’s not just the outside agitators that Democratic lawmakers, operatives, and activists are annoyed with: They’re tired of what they see as the senator’s hesitance to confront his own backers, either in public or through back channels.

Tensions boiled over recently when a handful of Sanders loyalists bashed freshman Sen. Kamala Harris — a rising star in the party and potential 2020 hopeful — as an establishment tool. Democrats were also rankled that other prominent Sanders allies said support for single-payer health care should be a litmus test for candidates.

In response, Democratic senators and outside groups have begun telling Sanders and friendly intermediaries that if he wants to be a leading figure for Democrats ahead of 2020’s presidential election, he needs to get his supporters in line — or at least publicly disavow their more incendiary statements.

The complaints have largely gone unheeded by Sanders’ camp. Many of the senator’s closest allies insist such frustration simply reflects the same misunderstanding of Sanders’ “political revolution” Democrats have had since he first started running for president.

“Bernie Sanders really does lead a movement, he doesn’t run an organization. And movements are different from organizations,” said Mark Longabaugh, a veteran Democratic strategist who was a senior advisor to Sanders' campaign. “A movement operates organically and moves on its own. It can have leaders, but no one directs a movement.”

Just as Turner was complaining about the DNC, a range of Democratic senators and their top political staffers were closely following a string of stories that quoted Sanders supporters criticizing Harris.

In one interview, the co-founder of a group called People for Bernie said Harris was being anointed as the candidate "of extremely wealthy and out-of-touch Democratic Party donors."

After a handful of such stories, Harris herself spoke with Sanders on the Senate floor about the criticism, said multiple Democrats briefed on the exchange.

I assume by "attacks" they mean major objective impartial fact-based research-driven exposes by non-corporate citizen journalists like this one:

Dave Ralph
Bernie Sanders supporters are the SAME SHIT as Trump supporters. Patsies of the Russians and enemies of America. It's time to start treating them accordingly.

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William Nelson · Los Angeles, California
Bernie had 500,000 Putin bot trolls working for him last year. It is importnt to remember that he had this secret massive weapon 24/7 without the campaign even realizing it. Since Putin bots post their smears and lies constantly, that is like having an extra 50 million internet active supporters. And Putin was micro targeted Bernie fans as the Steele Dossier shows. After awhile Bernie rallies were filled ith zealous supporters parroting Kremlin propaganda against Hillary, Sarandon, Rosario Dawson were saying "lok her up" even though Hillary broke no laws. That is why Bernie was so close behind Hillary, he had massive help. Then in the general, Putin backed Jill Stein. Hacked the dems. Tricked the FB and kept micro targeting his bots at swing voters. It was brilliant, it worked, it was a complete surprise attack and it gave us Trump. As for Bernie, if he thought he had 40$ support from dems, it is really more like 20-25%

Jeffrey Miller · Madison, Wisconsin
The establishment is trying to push Kamala Harris down the throats of Democrats for whatever reason.

What's her claim to fame? That she's black and female, so they can pull the Race Card and Gender Card when anyone disagrees with her? That strategy has been played out.

If Democrats had any sense, they'd push Tulsi Gabbard and probably get Republican voters too.

Bob Levy
The people in our party who back Sanders need to LET IT GO. Many of us are JUST PLAIN SICK of men always being the nominee (particularly white men) and it was TIME FOR A CHANGE from that horrible history.

The Democrat Party, I thought, stands for the EMPOWERMENT OF WOMEN, but if a bunch of men, nearly all white, by the way, insist on holding down powerful women like Hillary, we will fight back and simply NOT LET THAT HAPPEN.

So Bernie and his (mostly white) women-bashing supporters can GET LOST, we don't want that type, not in our party. Go join Trump or something.

Cheryl Rockwood
Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. He is a Socialist. Let him run on the Socialist ticket or retire. I see Bernie as a far left nutcase.

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[benjipwns]

You tell people here die in a fire every day if they have a single problem with Clinton

To be fair, most of his fact-based well-sourced criticisms and requests for others to die in a fire are directed at me even when I'm not mentioning Hillary, and are always entirely justified.

[benjipwns]

in that long post two people read i mentioned that last April, Dufus made this post that got 13 likes:

real talk

hillary stans are a lot more weird than bernie stans

one of the likes was by MANDARK

and it was a DUFUS post

a little too obvious of cover up and major slip up by Hillary shill Mandark?

then Esch (R.I.P. in peace) picked up eleven likes (half different posters...except MANDARK AGAIN!) for this BOTH SIDES garbage:

it's 50-50 imo. the political equivalent of people who buy timeshares vs. a group of sociopaths reinterpreting gay pop stan culture

and as if The Bore's plot of erasing them wasn't yet fully exposed, police violence against Hillary supporters endorsed by 17 people including permanently banned NeoGAF.com member Dennis: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39503.msg2139927#msg2139927

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[benjipwns]

i report, you deride

[seagrams hotsauce]

lmfao

How old are you Jack

[seagrams hotsauce]

I would have guessed either fifteen years older or younger tbh

[Human Snorenado]

The past page or two:

[nachobro]

now you're just a hardcore make-The Bore-suffer stan with your awful posts

[Joe Molotov]

Hahahahahaahaha the Clinton shitting is delicioso

 

I have nothing else to say except I pray that history books tell the truth: that Hillary Clinton fucked us all through arrogance and incompetence.

I truly hope that she has a dildo that she has nicknamed "donors". Fuck Hillary Clinton. Tim Kaine as VP. The nerve of this bitch.

It's not like she's any shittier a candidate than, Dukakis or McGovern. History ain't gonna remember shit, you people need to get past the election, ffs. I don't think I can stand another 3 years of this.

[Atramental]

 

[Himu]

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/07/hillary-clinton-book-tour-democrats-242419

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 related:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/349548-clintons-score-settling-frustrates-democrats

Not everyone was so charitable. Even some of Clinton’s allies have grown weary of her insistence on re-litigating the 2016 campaign at a time when the Democratic Party is looking to forge a new identity in the age of Trump.

“The best thing she could do is disappear,” said one former Clinton fundraiser and surrogate who played an active role at the convention. “She’s doing harm to all of us because of her own selfishness. Honestly, I wish she’d just shut the f--- up and go away.”

Since her loss, Clinton has taken fire from both sides of the aisle for what’s seen as her refusal to acknowledge her own role in her campaign’s defeat.

She has blamed Russian hackers, sexism and former FBI Director James Comey for her defeat. But she has proven less vocal about flaws in her own campaign.

Clinton’s latest election musings have also reopened old wounds from the bitter primary fight with Sanders right as Democrats say their focus should be on finding an economic message that appeals to the Rust Belt voters who abandoned the party for Trump.

Quadruple KO.

Edit: Whoops, wrong thread, but still. I'm sure this'll Jack while I sit here like: (Image removed from quote.)

TL;DR: Read fucking Twitter, Reddit, /pol/, Newpapers folks: Get all the opinions of multitudes of various voters and people (smart or not) and then look at the dog and pony show that is politics and see where the popularity comes in.

"But she won the popular vo--"

Doesn't matter when the system says that shit doesn't matter. She wasn't popular in the areas that mattered and that's where it fucks her over.

See ya'll when a natural disaster hasn't nuked the entire South East from Orbit.

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POST THIS IN THE POLITICS THREAD SO I CAN SEE MANDARKS REACTION

FUCK HILLARY SHILLS NOW AND FOREVER

I don't think Mandark has ever been a Hillary shill

Actually, The Bore never seemed to go down that route except Andrex who was allowed it because it was his first election. Also he took jokes about it well.

If there was any real Hillary defending it was because for most of the cycle AiA was actually in the thread doing his thing and the forum is mostly Democratic-ifwehaveto-leaning. I don't even remember it being very testy or anything between anybody for most of the cycle, more look at this nonsense type of stuff, probably in part because we all figured Hillary was going to win?

Jack didn't post back then as much, but this seems more like a new development in his character, I think he's part of Verrit staff, uses the same exact language as in their posts. Trying to be as cutting and ether people with brilliant one liners like Peter Daou. Started this new gig here just as that site went up.

I don't really remember if beloved former Bore poster The Walrus did much rabid defending of Hillary, unlikely since he was pretty calm and data focused and never one to trash others though, abhorred people who told others to die or fuck off. Real stand up feller who was right about NeoGAF.com's secret cabal he just identified the wrong staff members...so far.

Of course, we didn't know about Seth Rich back then. Or how Hillary was going to refuse to accept the election results and setup an extended media empire after her defeat. Or how our President would humbly bring the country together by pointing out that even despite the Democrats having millions of illegal votes cast he still fairly won the election without a single major scandal unlike Crooked Hillary who had to resort to the heinous and unprecedented step of stealing a debate question as part of her larger heist of the Democratic primary.

I'm not calling Mandark a Hillary shill. I just want his reaction.

When I think of Hillary shills, I think of Jack Remington and Y2Kev.

[Himu]

Seriously Benji, I don't think Mandark is a shill. You wrote all that for nothing. It was a completely different tangent.

I'm not a fucking shill. Shut the fuck up, Himu.

How much did you donate to HRC?

[Huff]

I would have guessed either fifteen years older or younger tbh

Careful, or he will own you on Facebook arguements

[stufte]

Clinton was a mistake.