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etiolate

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« Reply #11040 on: November 17, 2017, 10:22:08 PM »
or just watch it, dumb fucks

benjipwns

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« Reply #11041 on: November 17, 2017, 10:32:21 PM »
Only a dumb fuck would watch a two hour speech. Provide a transcript like it's the 19th century already.

benjipwns

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« Reply #11042 on: November 17, 2017, 10:37:08 PM »


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O’Neill could not immediately be reached for comment Friday by The Post. His campaign spokesman, Chris Clevenger, condemned O’Neill’s comments, calling them “both disturbing and misguided.” Clevinger said he was quitting the campaign.

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O’Neill’s four rivals for the Democratic nomination also called for him to drop out of the race. Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley (D) tweeted that “sexual harassment, degrading and devaluing women is not a joke. Justice O’Neill should resign.”

Democrat Connie Pillich, who is also running for governor, agreed the justice should resign, tweeting that “there’s nothing funny about sexual assault.” Pillich said O’Neill “has been a friend” and donated money to her campaign — money she now says she will be redistributing to women’s organizations.

Betty Sutton, another Democrat in the race for governor, said she was “appalled” by O’Neill’s comments.

“As a democrat I’m horrified he would belittle victims of sexual harassment/assault this way and as a woman I’m outraged he would equate sexual assault with indiscretion,” she wrote, adding, “He should resign immediately.”

O’Neill’s fourth rival, Sen. Joe Schiavoni (D), tweeted “a spontaneous run for governor and now this ridiculous Facebook post” lead him to believe it’s time for O’Neill to “hang it up.”

O’Neill confirmed to the Dispatch that he would drop out of the governor’s race if Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Director Richard Cordray chooses to run — now a possibility, the Dispatch reported, because of Cordray’s announcement that he will resign from his federal office by the end of the month.

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« Reply #11043 on: November 17, 2017, 10:47:27 PM »
can you two dipshit go fuck each other in private please


Hey whiny dipshit, if you want to protect yourself from different opinions go to resetera,  I bet you enjoy it there more anyway. Now go fuck yourself and stop spamming these useless fucking posts.

jeesh, didn't mean to trigger you. calm down you whiny pussy :lol

Nola

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« Reply #11044 on: November 17, 2017, 11:15:24 PM »
can you two dipshit go fuck each other in private please


Hey whiny dipshit, if you want to protect yourself from different opinions go to resetera,  I bet you enjoy it there more anyway. Now go fuck yourself and stop spamming these useless fucking posts.

Tell me you at least see the irony in this post?

Human Snorenado

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« Reply #11045 on: November 17, 2017, 11:50:11 PM »
I for one am terrified of my worldview being shattered by the impenetrable arguments of the intellectual titans Optimus and etoilet.

Modest proposal: all of their posts should look like they're coming out of a speech bubble from Poochy. I bet we could crowd fund the fuck out of this feature.
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« Reply #11046 on: November 18, 2017, 12:23:25 AM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/931357870024687616

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/931360196554821632

:comeon


Trump and his distinguished mentally-challenged supporters have weaponized political correctness and liberal identity politics. They don't believe what they say and they know the others in their group don't believe or care about what they say but they use these distinguished mentally-challenged standards against their political enemies just to ruin their reputation.

Yes but now he just Pr'd himself by bring this all up, especially since he hasn't said anything about Moore.

You aren't winning elections with just Trumpets.

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« Reply #11047 on: November 18, 2017, 12:26:01 AM »
I'm getting the feeling you have no contact at all with the American left. The groups that are actually working for universal healthcare like the DSA consider anti-racism and feminism as essential parts of the struggle for socialism.

Honestly, go to a DSA meeting and start talking about distinguished mentally-challenged Social Studies Warriors, see what reaction you get.

Edit: Assange is a market libertarian who worked with Trump for christ's sake, how is he a leftist at all?

I'm beginning to think he's Crab in disguise.

I'm getting the feeling you have no contact at all with the American left. The groups that are actually working for universal healthcare like the DSA consider anti-racism and feminism as essential parts of the struggle for socialism.

Honestly, go to a DSA meeting and start talking about distinguished mentally-challenged Social Studies Warriors, see what reaction you get.

Edit: Assange is a market libertarian who worked with Trump for christ's sake, how is he a leftist at all?

Assange is all over the place as actual political beliefs go but he does want to bring down the current neoliberal status quo and he is very socially libertarian which makes him OK in my book. I could always be wrong but imo the reason why he helped Trump has nothing to do with him actually supporting Trump. That's the impression I have of him after reading and listening some of his stuff anyway, I could be completely wrong.

As for joining the American left in its current condition, no thanks. I've been part of leftist organizations in the country I was born in so I tend to have very low opinion of these fucking pretentious hippies on the American left many of whom have fallen in the neoliberal trap of obsession with identity politics and corporate media clickbait and drama. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that all of them are like that but in my experience every time I interacted with these people it has been a disaster. Honestly it's shocking how fucking dumb all political groups are in this country or how obsessed they all are with identity politics and sex.

Newsflash...you are very wrong.  :gurl

Valhelm

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« Reply #11048 on: November 18, 2017, 02:37:39 AM »
jordan peterson is human garbage

he's built a career appealing to mainstream normie fears of radical leftism without being able to distinguish Marxism from Postmodernism or explain what either of those words mean

he's pat robertson for a different type of conservative

benjipwns

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« Reply #11049 on: November 18, 2017, 09:13:48 AM »

Human Snorenado

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« Reply #11050 on: November 18, 2017, 10:27:34 AM »
I think she also once wrote a column happily recalling Strom Thurmond grabbing her and her mother's asses.
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« Reply #11051 on: November 18, 2017, 10:32:46 AM »
Oops, that was Sally Quinn

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/06/sally-quinn-forced-to-dine-with-non-fake-friends.html

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Washington writer Sally Quinn told of a 1950s reception where: “My mother and I headed for the buffet table. As we were reaching for the shrimp, both of us jumped and let out a shriek. Senator Strom Thurmond, grinning from ear to ear, had one hand on my behind and the other on my mother’s. As I recall, we were both quite flattered, and thought it terribly funny and wicked of Ol’ Strom.”…
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jorma

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« Reply #11052 on: November 18, 2017, 11:14:06 AM »
apparently conservative women think it's their calling in life to be men's playthings

I think you stumbled upon the REAL reason Trump won. Being a conservative male suddenly looks a lot more attractive than it did yesterday.  :doge

jakefromstatefarm

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« Reply #11053 on: November 18, 2017, 01:23:10 PM »
Oh hey, something came up itt that I can actually discuss rather than just drive by shitpost about.

Peterson’s understanding of ‘postmodernism’ ,’marxism’, ‘neo-marxism’, etc. is colored by an objectivist reading of the entire modern intellectual project, specifically Stephen Hicks’ Explaining Postmodernism. As such, it can safely be ignored.

Or, at least, that’s the impression you get if you follow the citations to where they lead. My guess is this is less important for Peterson and his epigones than just having a veneer of literature in the respective field of interest in order to get their reductively psychologizing critique off the ground.

The upshot of this reductive psychologizing? Truth claims have to be ultimately grounded in a “Darwinian” understanding geared to human pragmatic ends and eternal, platonic, capital T truth falls by the wayside. So the epistemological anti-realism that lyotard was so concerned with -the purse-clutching fear of which sparked this entire endeavor- sneaks its way back in. Which Peterson is fine with, so long as you don’t ask him to call you by your preferred pronoun.


Boredfrom

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« Reply #11055 on: November 18, 2017, 07:44:37 PM »
I just prefer playing Sonic Forces than watching a two hour speech or googling for two hours to making criticism of a academic that only hear about a day ago.

etiolate

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« Reply #11056 on: November 18, 2017, 07:55:19 PM »
He does loves Hicks' book on postmodernism. Though I think he is more into showing the pragmatic elements and/or roots of eternal, big idea truths rather than letting them fall by the wayside.

I found it a worthwhile two hours and its topics keep popping up on this forum, so I linked it in spite of length. If you watched it, you'd see he doesn't confuse Marxism for post-modernism.

Also, never use "can be safely ignored" seriously.



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« Reply #11057 on: November 18, 2017, 07:55:39 PM »
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-05925-6?WT.mc_id=FBK_NA_1711_FHEDUSPHDTAXHIKE_PORTFOLIO
This is should be a huge thing, like engender a large negative outcry sort of thing. Probably wont though because not that many people are trying to make ends meet in academia, and those who are are also the sort of people the GOP want specifically to hurt (liberal 'elites').

Everybody I ever knew who was going for their masters had all the fun and joy in their lives drained from them, as they subsisted on ramen and cheap booze while obbsessively recounting their crushing research/work load. Those Ivory Tower elites as they are.

jakefromstatefarm

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« Reply #11058 on: November 18, 2017, 10:17:49 PM »
Though I think he is more into showing the pragmatic elements and/or roots of eternal, big idea truths rather than letting them fall by the wayside.
He doesn’t think there are any; something is true only insofar as it serves means-ends relationships. He’s pretty unequivocal about this:
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I would say we're actually starting from different fundamental axioms. The fundamental axiom that I am playing with is something that was basically expressed by Nietzsche. And it's a definition of truth. I would say: if it doesn't serve life, it's not true."
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Well then I would say that I don't think that facts are necessarily true. I don't think that scientific facts, even if they are correct within the domain that they were generated-- I don't think that that necessarily makes them true. I know that I am gerrymandering the definition of truth, but I am doing that on purpose, because I am trying to nest truth within a Darwinian framework, which I think is a moral framework.
This is from his interview on Sam Harris’ podcast and there’s a lot more where that came from.

e: I guess you could construe his transposition of jungian archetypes across temporal/spatial/cultural contexts as an implicit admission of a universal truth. Though that’s a far cry from saying that what we know about gravity or math admits of absolute timeless truth.
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Also, never use "can be safely ignored" seriously.
Do you want to discuss the specific merits of the Hicks book or are you saying we’re not allowed to ignore anything now?
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Human Snorenado

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« Reply #11059 on: November 18, 2017, 11:15:25 PM »
I have etoilet on ignore and feel pretty safe about it, tbh
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etiolate

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« Reply #11060 on: November 19, 2017, 12:26:27 AM »
Though I think he is more into showing the pragmatic elements and/or roots of eternal, big idea truths rather than letting them fall by the wayside.
He doesn’t think there are any; something is true only insofar as it serves means-ends relationships. He’s pretty unequivocal about this:
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I would say we're actually starting from different fundamental axioms. The fundamental axiom that I am playing with is something that was basically expressed by Nietzsche. And it's a definition of truth. I would say: if it doesn't serve life, it's not true."
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Well then I would say that I don't think that facts are necessarily true. I don't think that scientific facts, even if they are correct within the domain that they were generated-- I don't think that that necessarily makes them true. I know that I am gerrymandering the definition of truth, but I am doing that on purpose, because I am trying to nest truth within a Darwinian framework, which I think is a moral framework.
This is from his interview on Sam Harris’ podcast and there’s a lot more where that came from.

e: I guess you could construe his transposition of jungian archetypes across temporal/spatial/cultural contexts as an implicit admission of a universal truth. Though that’s a far cry from saying that what we know about gravity or math admits of absolute timeless truth.
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Also, never use "can be safely ignored" seriously.
Do you want to discuss the specific merits of the Hicks book or are you saying we’re not allowed to ignore anything now?

I am saying "can be safely ignored" in any serious manner is a coward's way and untrue. Nobody can be safely ignored. I've never seen it used and not be a mistake. It also comes off as some arrogant dismissal belonging to petty squabbles. I do not like the phrase. It sets off alarms for me.

I need to rewatch the Sam Harris interview. Is that from the first or second one? I didn't get through the second one because it got caught up in that truth definition rather than the real discussion. His Bible lectures and other stuff give off a different vibe.

curly

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« Reply #11061 on: November 19, 2017, 12:34:49 AM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

jakefromstatefarm

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« Reply #11062 on: November 19, 2017, 01:19:35 AM »
I need to rewatch the Sam Harris interview. Is that from the first or second one? I didn't get through the second one because it got caught up in that truth definition rather than the real discussion. His Bible lectures and other stuff give off a different vibe.
the first one, Waking Up #62; the respective timestamps (56:16) and (59:20).

Human Snorenado

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« Reply #11063 on: November 19, 2017, 02:04:56 AM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

Nazis and those overly concerned about ethics in video game journalism, as well
yar

Nola

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« Reply #11064 on: November 19, 2017, 03:17:59 AM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

Yeah but thats the challenge unique with [e]toilets. You can try and ignore them as long as you want, but eventually we all get stuck taking that shit.

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« Reply #11065 on: November 19, 2017, 03:20:39 AM »
I have etoilet on ignore and feel pretty safe about it, tbh
:maf
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agrajag

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« Reply #11066 on: November 19, 2017, 03:24:17 AM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

Yeah but thats the challenge unique with [e]toilets. You can try and ignore them as long as you want, but eventually we all get stuck taking those L's.

FTFY

Boredfrom

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« Reply #11067 on: November 19, 2017, 12:53:27 PM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

Nazis and those overly concerned about ethics in video game journalism, as well

 :doge

I really wish you post this in the Resetera thread.

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etiolate

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« Reply #11069 on: November 19, 2017, 02:58:15 PM »
LaVar is black trump so this'll be good

Human Snorenado

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« Reply #11070 on: November 19, 2017, 04:18:37 PM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

Nazis and those overly concerned about ethics in video game journalism, as well

 :doge

I really wish you post this in the Resetera thread.

Haha, fuck that cesspool. I'm not sure why the truly shitbin tier posters aren't just turfed.
yar

Boredfrom

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« Reply #11071 on: November 19, 2017, 04:50:10 PM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

Nazis and those overly concerned about ethics in video game journalism, as well

 :doge

I really wish you post this in the Resetera thread.

Haha, fuck that cesspool. I'm not sure why the truly shitbin tier posters aren't just turfed.

You just sounded worse than Etiolate.

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« Reply #11072 on: November 19, 2017, 05:10:39 PM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

Nazis and those overly concerned about ethics in video game journalism, as well

 :doge

I really wish you post this in the Resetera thread.

Haha, fuck that cesspool. I'm not sure why the truly shitbin tier posters aren't just turfed.

You just sounded worse than Etiolate.


eleuin

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« Reply #11073 on: November 20, 2017, 12:16:10 AM »
Shaun King using the nword  :cac

Human Snorenado

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« Reply #11074 on: November 20, 2017, 12:25:09 AM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

Nazis and those overly concerned about ethics in video game journalism, as well

 :doge

I really wish you post this in the Resetera thread.

Haha, fuck that cesspool. I'm not sure why the truly shitbin tier posters aren't just turfed.

You just sounded worse than Etiolate.

Sounds like we got a shitbin poster.

:jawalrus
yar

Mandark

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« Reply #11075 on: November 20, 2017, 12:30:16 AM »
Dammit, don't encourage those quote pyramids.

chronovore

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« Reply #11076 on: November 20, 2017, 01:02:14 AM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

Nazis and those overly concerned about ethics in video game journalism, as well

Untrue. Nazis need to be punched.

Human Snorenado

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« Reply #11077 on: November 20, 2017, 01:06:41 AM »
Dammit, don't encourage those quote pyramids.

Careful or I'll start fisking
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benjipwns

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« Reply #11078 on: November 20, 2017, 01:53:29 AM »
In all the excitement I forgot one reason I came in this thread the other day, the best disaster of a called press conference since the BUTT CHUGGING one from those frat boys:

I really liked the woman in dark blue who starts just before the 24 minute mark. She saved the thing after a couple of crappy downer speakers and turned it into one that made me proud to be an American.

Not the best moment, but is from Roy Moore's wife and a good example of some of the great that's within:



LIEBERAL MEDIA AMBUSHES INNOCENT PATRIOTIC CHRISTIAN LADY WHO KNOWS WHO IS BEHIND THE LIES BUT DOESN'T WANT TO SAY*:

*as it would be rude to say something like that on TV...BUT IT WAS PROBABLY LUTHER STRANGE WHO DID IT

benjipwns

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« Reply #11079 on: November 20, 2017, 01:58:53 AM »
Speaking of MSNBC and Roy Moore, I think someone is deliberately booking and holding these people for the hour while Velshi and Ruhle host:

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« Reply #11080 on: November 20, 2017, 03:48:38 AM »
Listening to commentary here in France, the Asian trip of Trump didn't impress. Basically everyone agrees the US is running circles like an headless chicken, Trump only further confusing the issue by swinging between the idea of a G2 between the USA and China and mentioning an "Indo Pacific zone" where India would counter balance China. The lack of any lip service to human rights was duly noted.

With no clear policy, Trump is paving the way of of the whole region accepting Chinese leadership.
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« Reply #11081 on: November 20, 2017, 10:01:39 AM »
Benji, is that Khalid Abdul Muhammad video that you posted up thread from the speech that got him removed from the Nation of Islam?

ToxicAdam

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« Reply #11082 on: November 20, 2017, 10:16:28 AM »
I'm getting real tired of people on the right who preach personal responsibility and accountability  from one side of their mouth and then try to tell you how they are being oppressed as a white male from the other side of their mouth.

It's weird to see them engage in these politics of victimhood when they know how toxic it can be (when they point it out on the left). It must resonate with younger people who are at the bottom of the social/fiscal ladder and are trying to find a place in their world.







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« Reply #11083 on: November 20, 2017, 11:12:58 AM »
I'm getting real tired of people on the right who preach personal responsibility and accountability  from one side of their mouth and then try to tell you how they are being oppressed as a white male from the other side of their mouth.

It's weird to see them engage in these politics of victimhood when they know how toxic it can be (when they point it out on the left). It must resonate with younger people who are at the bottom of the social/fiscal ladder and are trying to find a place in their world.

Haha, it's cute that you ascribe a milligram of self-awareness to these turds
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Boredfrom

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« Reply #11084 on: November 20, 2017, 11:51:38 AM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

Nazis and those overly concerned about ethics in video game journalism, as well

 :doge

I really wish you post this in the Resetera thread.

Haha, fuck that cesspool. I'm not sure why the truly shitbin tier posters aren't just turfed.

You just sounded worse than Etiolate.

Sounds like we got a shitbin poster.

:jawalrus

You?

ToxicAdam

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« Reply #11085 on: November 20, 2017, 12:17:22 PM »
Haha, it's cute that you ascribe a milligram of self-awareness to these turds

It just illustrates that when you resign yourself to a certain political dogma, you set yourself up for these kinds of hypocrisies or 'blind spots'

agrajag

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« Reply #11086 on: November 20, 2017, 12:23:30 PM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

Nazis and those overly concerned about ethics in video game journalism, as well

 :doge

I really wish you post this in the Resetera thread.

Haha, fuck that cesspool. I'm not sure why the truly shitbin tier posters aren't just turfed.

You just sounded worse than Etiolate.

Sounds like we got a shitbin poster.

:jawalrus

You?

enough with the pyramid quoting :stop

ok

oh no baby what is you doing

agrajag

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« Reply #11087 on: November 20, 2017, 12:34:36 PM »
there's serious allegations of harassment and all you can think of is how hot she is you shitlord  ::)

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« Reply #11088 on: November 20, 2017, 12:52:00 PM »
"Flat earthers can be safely ignored"

"Creationists can be safely ignored"

"Objectivists can be safely ignored"

Nazis and those overly concerned about ethics in video game journalism, as well

 :doge

I really wish you post this in the Resetera thread.

Haha, fuck that cesspool. I'm not sure why the truly shitbin tier posters aren't just turfed.

You just sounded worse than Etiolate.

Sounds like we got a shitbin poster.

:jawalrus

You?

I'm sorry I besmirched the honor and reputation of all the good posters that just stick to the shitburger other forum thread

:badass
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« Reply #11089 on: November 20, 2017, 01:05:48 PM »
Franken keeps up on that milf genre.

I respect his taste.

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« Reply #11090 on: November 20, 2017, 01:16:18 PM »
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Menz said she was encouraged to come forward after Tweeden came forward last week. Although she and her husband voted for Donald Trump in November, Menz said neither is registered with a political party and have voted for both Democrats and Republicans in the past. Menz could not remember if she voted for Franken.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/20/second-woman-comes-forward-to-say-al-franken-inappropriately-touched-her

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« Reply #11091 on: November 20, 2017, 01:17:35 PM »
Fuck, another Franken accusation.

I'm changing my mind and think that he needs to go.  Hopefully soon to send a powerful message.  It's the most good that he can do now.

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« Reply #11092 on: November 20, 2017, 02:21:35 PM »
Fuck, another Franken accusation.

I'm changing my mind and think that he needs to go.  Hopefully soon to send a powerful message.  It's the most good that he can do now.

Here’s where I’m struggling with this.

Franken has two incidents right now, objectively, neither really cross over into much more than kinda sleazy creep. To which he is apologetic about and the more pertinent context, the first victim and him have had closure and she forgives him. After Franken reached out and publicly apologized, acted proactive toward the situation in calling for an investigation. Has been an ally of systemic changes his whole career. Granted this apology was after the fact, not before, which is a problem in and of itself. But that too may be complicated depending on how Franken and others are handled IMO.

First off I struggle putting George H W Bush and the Al Franken’s on the moral equivalency plane of the Roy Moore’s, Roger Ailes, or even Bill Clinton’s. Not that people here are doing it necessarily. But the sought after sentencing for all seem to be the same: publicly shame, career ruined, legacy actions removed from public consciousness, walk away from your occupation and passions and never come back.

It’s more a question of concern about correction vs over-correction and potential self-defeating behavior/unintended consequences.

Should improprieties like this come with social pillorying? I definitely think so. As it speaks to and aides in improving social norms and customs still steeped in patriarchal behavior. But should we be reflecting out that genuine remorse, redemption, reconciliation, and willing rehabilitation are not enough? Blood must be demanded every time? That the victimizer’s context and post incident behavior and actions barely, if at all, register into the social sentencing? And what are the consequences of arranging a social structure where doing the right thing is treated that way? That coming forward yourself, even in a state of remorse and rehabilitation, may be the same sentence as being exposed for indefinite deception or apathy? Crimes big and small. All while contrasted with a counterforce from the Trump’s and Moore’s who signal that the best and most successful defense is a good offense and a strong lie.

I don’t know if I have the answers there but it is something I’ve been mulling about. And well before Franken.

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« Reply #11093 on: November 20, 2017, 02:47:01 PM »
I think you guys are going to be in that crossroads until the general public gets why making equivalences of what they did like Al Franken with Trump is kind of desingenious. Is more disturbing that the best defense the WH has about being called out of this shit is "because Trump will not admit it".

That said, I think politicians should have standards, specially when is about what they preach. The risk of stuff like dismissing stuff like this is a greater decline in the political discourse (already in a low place because Trump).

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« Reply #11094 on: November 20, 2017, 05:10:34 PM »
Franken is fine. What he did was perhaps sleazy, but are we really going to call it bad enough to resign from?

At worst, he took some tamely inappropriate photographs and convinced that chick to kiss him on stage, when his official job was comedian

And some rando comes out and accuses him of grabbing her ass at the Minnesota state fair? Like if this is the level we are holding all of ourselves too, hold on to your seats, because a whole lot of people have done sketchy shit at some point in their lives. At some point you have to weigh how serious each accusation is. Was it illegal? Was it an abuse of power? Is it possible that this was a situation that was misconstrued?

I think the answer is both of the above cases is no, no, and yes. Anyone SEE his hand on her ass? Is it in the photo? Did she even see his hand on her ass or was she busy taking the photo? Was maybe something else touching her ass that she thought was his hand?

I just can’t be bothered to care about how some dude takes a sloppy pass at some chick and say he should get anything more than side eye for it.


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« Reply #11096 on: November 20, 2017, 07:21:07 PM »
Ultra Combo. :doge

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« Reply #11097 on: November 20, 2017, 08:00:59 PM »
Holy shit I did not mean to quadruple post spam. I was getting status code 500 over and over again.

It's worth checking in if the message went through yeah. Also when disconnected on a phone. Most often than not, it did.
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« Reply #11098 on: November 21, 2017, 01:34:32 AM »
Surprised there's been no mention of this here
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/president-donald-trump-north-korea-terrorism/index.html
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« Reply #11099 on: November 21, 2017, 02:39:31 AM »
Holy shit I did not mean to quadruple post spam. I was getting status code 500 over and over again.
The Bore is funny unique in my experience with forums about this, usually your post still goes through. If you can pop open a duplicate tab or whatever and check the thread, like 95% of the time your post went through still and will be there. Only time it was failing more than not was when we got GAF flooded.

I think part of it is that the 500 error that randomly will pop up like that is actually for the attempt to return you to the page after your post, I think the page in the url is the postredirect one.