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« Reply #16320 on: April 07, 2018, 05:08:46 PM »
Nintex thinks NK's about to give up its nukes, so :yeshrug

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« Reply #16321 on: April 07, 2018, 05:42:10 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982722926305832960

Bengahzi, Pizzagate, Troopergate, Whitewater, Seth Rich, Seth Rogen, Joe Rogan, Joe the Plumber, Jacob the Jeweler what's going on? BAD!
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« Reply #16322 on: April 07, 2018, 05:49:38 PM »

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« Reply #16323 on: April 07, 2018, 06:46:58 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982750459877380096

Apparently Trump Tower was on fire today (much like the White House).
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« Reply #16324 on: April 07, 2018, 06:50:40 PM »
(much like the White House).
(poorly constructed) SAD!

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« Reply #16325 on: April 07, 2018, 06:53:00 PM »
(much like the White House).
(poorly constructed) SAD!

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« Reply #16326 on: April 07, 2018, 06:58:17 PM »
To no one's surprise the tower still seems to be on fire and now one serious injury has been reported.  :dead
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« Reply #16327 on: April 07, 2018, 06:58:33 PM »
talk of the White House on fire always reminds me that when the British were wantonly burning down everything else in DC during the war (which admittingly was not much at the time), the head of the patent office stood outside it and debated them until they agreed to spare it

then 20 years later the thing caught on fire and they lost everything except a single book because Congress forgot to staff the fully equipped fire department of DC a block away, so citizens running a failed bucket brigade from somewhere was the only defense

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« Reply #16328 on: April 07, 2018, 07:06:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/serafinowicz/status/982755099423502336

40 fire trucks in front of Trump Tower now
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« Reply #16329 on: April 07, 2018, 07:07:59 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982750459877380096

Apparently Trump Tower was on fire today (much like the White House).

Firemen (and women) (she's bi)
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« Reply #16330 on: April 07, 2018, 07:11:14 PM »
https://twitter.com/KevRincon/status/982756662812598273

This fire is so OUT folks believe me.  :doge
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« Reply #16331 on: April 07, 2018, 07:14:51 PM »
really shocking how far the left-wing media will go to make trump look bad, setting another fire like this

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iirc, part of that kind of seeming overkill is also normal for NYC because of the potential threat of it spreading to nearby buildings is so much higher, even when the building is so well built as Trump Tower

was why/how there were so many crews so fast from all over on 9/11 (i think it's discussed in that one documentary that wasn't supposed to be a 9/11 documentary but about the FDNY that became one about 9/11)

i assume Chicago and San Francisco at minimum probably have a similar policy
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« Reply #16332 on: April 07, 2018, 07:18:08 PM »
https://twitter.com/NewsAlertHQ/status/982757279668887553

I love the conspiracies on both sides.

Left: Trump is burning evidence!
Right: ANTIFA/Mexicans/Terrorists set Trump Tower on fire!
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« Reply #16333 on: April 07, 2018, 07:21:50 PM »
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both sides.


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« Reply #16334 on: April 07, 2018, 07:21:56 PM »
in a residential apartment, smh, they probably turned on Roseanne and got triggered

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« Reply #16335 on: April 07, 2018, 07:29:00 PM »
https://twitter.com/chayesmatthew/status/982760552584962048

JESUS CHRIST what have you done Trump, what have you done?

Did you find the holy grail or something.
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« Reply #16336 on: April 07, 2018, 08:10:29 PM »
this kind of episode just shows you how rough the prior eight years had been, never was Block Insane YoMamma calmly leading everyone as one of his multi-story multi-purpose skyscrapers caught on fire, no measured leadership like this even while staring down Iran, North Korea and China

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« Reply #16337 on: April 07, 2018, 08:20:00 PM »
this kind of episode just shows you how rough the prior eight years had been, never was Block Insane YoMamma calmly leading everyone as one of his multi-story multi-purpose skyscrapers caught on fire, no measured leadership like this even while staring down Iran, North Korea and China

It reminds me of the time Obama blew up the Twin Towers to frame Bush, but Bush Jedi Mind Tricked Hillary into thinking Saddam did it.
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« Reply #16338 on: April 07, 2018, 08:32:23 PM »
hey, her successor at State was hoodwinked into it too!

all part of Obama's plans with Putin to make Trump president by discrediting everyone the Democrats had :rollsafe

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« Reply #16339 on: April 07, 2018, 09:18:08 PM »
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« Reply #16340 on: April 07, 2018, 10:15:54 PM »
coincidentally, she also died (rip in peace)

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« Reply #16341 on: April 08, 2018, 12:56:20 AM »
thoughts and prayers to the building
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« Reply #16342 on: April 08, 2018, 01:50:19 AM »
I was in a building earlier today, and headed to another one. Laterally shaking rite nao. Stray safe, Bore.

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« Reply #16343 on: April 08, 2018, 02:44:09 AM »
https://medium.com/s/state-of-the-future/the-great-lesson-of-california-in-americas-new-civil-war-e52e2861f30
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Why there’s no bipartisan way forward at this juncture in our history — one side must win

By Peter Leyden and Ruy Teixeira

The next time you call for bipartisan cooperation in America and long for Republicans and Democrats to work side by side, stop it. Remember the great lesson of California, the harbinger of America’s political future, and realize that today such bipartisan cooperation simply can’t get done.

In this current period of American politics, at this juncture in our history, there’s no way that a bipartisan path provides the way forward. The way forward is on the path California blazed about 15 years ago.
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Understanding the Context of the New American Civil War
This is no ordinary political moment. Trump is not the reason this is no ordinary time — he’s simply the most obvious symptom that reminds us all of this each day.

The best way to understand politics in America today is to reframe it as closer to civil war. Just the phrase “civil war” is harsh, and many people may cringe. It brings up images of guns and death, the bodies of Union and Confederate soldiers.

America today is nowhere near that level of conflict or at risk of such violence. However, America today does exhibit some of the core elements that move a society from what normally is the process of working out political differences toward the slippery slope of civil war. We’ve seen it in many societies in many previous historical eras, including what happened in the United States in 1860.
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America today faces a similar juncture around fundamentally incompatible energy systems. The red states held by the Republicans are deeply entrenched in carbon-based energy systems like coal and oil. They consequently deny the science of climate change, are trying to resuscitate the dying coal industry, and recently have begun to open up coastal waters to oil drilling.

The blue states held by the Democrats are increasingly shifting to clean energy like solar and installing policies that wean the energy system off carbon. In the era of climate change, with the mounting pressure of increased natural disasters, something must give. We can’t have one step forward, one step back every time an administration changes. One side or the other has to win.
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Today’s American Civil War
Trump is doing exactly what America needs him to do right now. He’s becoming increasingly conservative and outrageous by the day. Trump could have come into office with a genuinely new agenda that could have helped working people. Instead, he has spent the past year becoming a caricature of all things conservative — and in the meantime has alienated most of America and certainly all the growing political constituencies of the 21st century. He is turning the Republican brand toxic for millennials, women, Latinos, people of color, college-educated people, urban centers, the tech industry, and the economic powerhouses of the coasts, to name a few.

The Republican Party is playing their part perfectly, too. They completely fell for the Trump trap — and that’s exactly what America needed them to do. The Republican Party could have maintained some distance from Trump and kept a healthy check on him through Congress. Instead, they fully embraced him in a group bear hug that culminated in a deeply flawed tax law in the waning days of 2017. This mess of a law, thrown together without traditional vetting, is riddled with outrageous loopholes that benefit the crony donor class and line the pockets of many of the politicians who passed it. The law is hugely unpopular, and everyone who voted for it is marked for the election of 2018.

Perfect.

Now the entire Republican Party, and the entire conservative movement that has controlled it for the past four decades, is fully positioned for the final takedown that will cast them out for a long period of time in the political wilderness. They deserve it.

Let’s just say what needs to be said: The Republican Party over the past 40 years has maneuvered itself into a position where they are the bad guys on the wrong side of history. For a long time, they have been able to hide this fact through a sophisticated series of veils, invoking cultural voodoo that fools a large enough number of Americans to stay in the game. However, Donald Trump has laid waste to that sophistication and has given America and the world the raw version of what current conservative politics is all about.

The Republican Party is all about rule by and for billionaires at the expense of working people. Trump is literally the incarnation of what the party stands for: shaping laws for the good of billionaires and the 1 percent. His cabinet is stuffed with them.

The Republican Party is the party of climate change denial. Trump is the denier-in-chief, but there are 180 climate science deniers in the current Congress (142 in the House and 38 in the Senate), and none of them are Democrats. More than 59 percent of Republicans in the House and 73 percent of Republicans in the Senate deny the scientific consensus that climate change is happening, that human activity is the main cause, and that it is a serious threat. Another way to say it is that the Republican Party is in the pocket of the oil and carbon energy industry. Trump just cut through the crap and named Exxon’s CEO as our secretary of state to unravel the United Nations climate accords. No beating around that bush for the sake of appearances — Trump burned the bush down.

The Republican Party for the past 40 years has mastered using dog whistles to gin up racial divides to get their white voters to the polls. Trump just disposes of niceties and flatly encourages white nationalists, bans Muslims, walls off Mexicans, and calls out “shithole” countries.

Trump is just making clear to all what was boiling under the surface for decades, and that’s exactly what we need him to do. Why? Because America finally needs to take the Republican Party down for a generation or two. Not just the presidency. Not just clear out the U.S. House. Not just tip back the Senate. But fundamentally beat the Republicans on all levels at once, including clearing out governorships and statehouses across the land.
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The Final Battle Begins in 2018
America is desperate for a functioning political supermajority that can break out of our political stasis and boldly move ahead and take on our many 21st-century challenges. The nation can’t take much more of our one step forward, one step back politics that gets little done despite the need for massive changes.

America today has many parallels to America in the 1850s or America in the 1930s. Both of those decades ended with one side definitively winning, forming a political supermajority that restructured systems going forward to solve our problems once and for all. In the 1850s, we fought the Civil War, and the Republican Party won and then dominated American politics for 50 years. In the 1930s, the Democratic Party won and dominated American politics for roughly the same amount of time.

America today is in a similar position. Our technologies, our economy, our geopolitics are going through fundamental changes. We are facing new challenges, like climate change and massive economic inequality, that must be addressed with fundamental reforms.

America can’t afford more political paralysis. One side or the other must win. This is a civil war that can be won without firing a shot. But it is a fundamental conflict between two worldviews that must be resolved in short order.

California, as usual, resolved it early. The Democrats won; the Republicans lost. The conservative way forward lost; the progressive way forward began. As we’ve laid out in this series, California is the future, always about 15 years ahead of the rest of the country. That means that America, starting in 2018, is going to resolve it, too.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16344 on: April 08, 2018, 03:09:02 AM »
now now benji, debate his ideas, don't take potshots

the main one is his description of the two prior periods, 1850s and 1930s America and how they supposedly reconfigured the political landscape...except they didn't, especially if you look beyond just who held the White House

take the post-war GOP for example, it never became a national party because it conceded the South, by 1876 it had already lost a Presidential election to the Democrats, in 1874 it had lost the House and in 1878 it would lose the Senate...it completely abandoned the freedman to the Democratic regime of the South and not so subtly tried to keep them out of the north...the Democrats gained success and became competitive again at the Presidential level by running Northern men knowing the South was locked up and that nobody cared about the negro...the GOP was also so divided between it's post-abolition wings that it never dominated the political scene, arguably the Populists were the most powerful policy movement of the era as both the GOP and Democrats adopted and enacted almost their entire platform starting in 1896...civil service reform was supported by both parties, as was backing the railroads, big business and growing militarism/imperialism

the 1930's didn't leave a unified Democratic Party either, it was instead a party of interest groups held together by FDR and briefly by LBJ, the South literally bolted multiple times and blocked every attempt at civil rights bills until LBJ forced them through in 1957 and 1964 with Republican votes, the various blocs weren't loyal, blacks went for Dewey, Eisenhower and Nixon, the blue collar "base" would split off multiple times for Eisenhower, Wallace, Nixon and Reagan, much like the blacks the fee-male vote was never locked up as a plurality in the Democratic Party until later, the "left" warred with the union base over foreign policy for almost a decade...by the time the party had cemented some of these "New Deal Coalition" parties for good, the South split off again and this time became truly competitive for both parties, allowing the GOP to recover its national standing as the population also shifted from the Northeast, the D's swapping a growing bloc in the South for the shrinking one in the NE while for many years struggling to gain hold in the West

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« Reply #16345 on: April 08, 2018, 03:11:17 AM »
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The next generation of Democratic politicians — our New California Democrats — embody and embrace the 21st-century progressive way forward that we have just summarized. They are the ones who roughed out the emergent agenda above. They are the ones who will build from this and take it to the next level.

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« Reply #16346 on: April 08, 2018, 06:06:49 AM »
https://medium.com/s/state-of-the-future/the-great-lesson-of-california-in-americas-new-civil-war-e52e2861f30
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Why there’s no bipartisan way forward at this juncture in our history — one side must win

By Peter Leyden and Ruy Teixeira

The next time you call for bipartisan cooperation in America and long for Republicans and Democrats to work side by side, stop it. Remember the great lesson of California, the harbinger of America’s political future, and realize that today such bipartisan cooperation simply can’t get done.

In this current period of American politics, at this juncture in our history, there’s no way that a bipartisan path provides the way forward. The way forward is on the path California blazed about 15 years ago.
Quote
Understanding the Context of the New American Civil War
This is no ordinary political moment. Trump is not the reason this is no ordinary time — he’s simply the most obvious symptom that reminds us all of this each day.

The best way to understand politics in America today is to reframe it as closer to civil war. Just the phrase “civil war” is harsh, and many people may cringe. It brings up images of guns and death, the bodies of Union and Confederate soldiers.

America today is nowhere near that level of conflict or at risk of such violence. However, America today does exhibit some of the core elements that move a society from what normally is the process of working out political differences toward the slippery slope of civil war. We’ve seen it in many societies in many previous historical eras, including what happened in the United States in 1860.
Quote
America today faces a similar juncture around fundamentally incompatible energy systems. The red states held by the Republicans are deeply entrenched in carbon-based energy systems like coal and oil. They consequently deny the science of climate change, are trying to resuscitate the dying coal industry, and recently have begun to open up coastal waters to oil drilling.

The blue states held by the Democrats are increasingly shifting to clean energy like solar and installing policies that wean the energy system off carbon. In the era of climate change, with the mounting pressure of increased natural disasters, something must give. We can’t have one step forward, one step back every time an administration changes. One side or the other has to win.
Quote
Today’s American Civil War
Trump is doing exactly what America needs him to do right now. He’s becoming increasingly conservative and outrageous by the day. Trump could have come into office with a genuinely new agenda that could have helped working people. Instead, he has spent the past year becoming a caricature of all things conservative — and in the meantime has alienated most of America and certainly all the growing political constituencies of the 21st century. He is turning the Republican brand toxic for millennials, women, Latinos, people of color, college-educated people, urban centers, the tech industry, and the economic powerhouses of the coasts, to name a few.

The Republican Party is playing their part perfectly, too. They completely fell for the Trump trap — and that’s exactly what America needed them to do. The Republican Party could have maintained some distance from Trump and kept a healthy check on him through Congress. Instead, they fully embraced him in a group bear hug that culminated in a deeply flawed tax law in the waning days of 2017. This mess of a law, thrown together without traditional vetting, is riddled with outrageous loopholes that benefit the crony donor class and line the pockets of many of the politicians who passed it. The law is hugely unpopular, and everyone who voted for it is marked for the election of 2018.

Perfect.

Now the entire Republican Party, and the entire conservative movement that has controlled it for the past four decades, is fully positioned for the final takedown that will cast them out for a long period of time in the political wilderness. They deserve it.

Let’s just say what needs to be said: The Republican Party over the past 40 years has maneuvered itself into a position where they are the bad guys on the wrong side of history. For a long time, they have been able to hide this fact through a sophisticated series of veils, invoking cultural voodoo that fools a large enough number of Americans to stay in the game. However, Donald Trump has laid waste to that sophistication and has given America and the world the raw version of what current conservative politics is all about.

The Republican Party is all about rule by and for billionaires at the expense of working people. Trump is literally the incarnation of what the party stands for: shaping laws for the good of billionaires and the 1 percent. His cabinet is stuffed with them.

The Republican Party is the party of climate change denial. Trump is the denier-in-chief, but there are 180 climate science deniers in the current Congress (142 in the House and 38 in the Senate), and none of them are Democrats. More than 59 percent of Republicans in the House and 73 percent of Republicans in the Senate deny the scientific consensus that climate change is happening, that human activity is the main cause, and that it is a serious threat. Another way to say it is that the Republican Party is in the pocket of the oil and carbon energy industry. Trump just cut through the crap and named Exxon’s CEO as our secretary of state to unravel the United Nations climate accords. No beating around that bush for the sake of appearances — Trump burned the bush down.

The Republican Party for the past 40 years has mastered using dog whistles to gin up racial divides to get their white voters to the polls. Trump just disposes of niceties and flatly encourages white nationalists, bans Muslims, walls off Mexicans, and calls out “shithole” countries.

Trump is just making clear to all what was boiling under the surface for decades, and that’s exactly what we need him to do. Why? Because America finally needs to take the Republican Party down for a generation or two. Not just the presidency. Not just clear out the U.S. House. Not just tip back the Senate. But fundamentally beat the Republicans on all levels at once, including clearing out governorships and statehouses across the land.
Quote
The Final Battle Begins in 2018
America is desperate for a functioning political supermajority that can break out of our political stasis and boldly move ahead and take on our many 21st-century challenges. The nation can’t take much more of our one step forward, one step back politics that gets little done despite the need for massive changes.

America today has many parallels to America in the 1850s or America in the 1930s. Both of those decades ended with one side definitively winning, forming a political supermajority that restructured systems going forward to solve our problems once and for all. In the 1850s, we fought the Civil War, and the Republican Party won and then dominated American politics for 50 years. In the 1930s, the Democratic Party won and dominated American politics for roughly the same amount of time.

America today is in a similar position. Our technologies, our economy, our geopolitics are going through fundamental changes. We are facing new challenges, like climate change and massive economic inequality, that must be addressed with fundamental reforms.

America can’t afford more political paralysis. One side or the other must win. This is a civil war that can be won without firing a shot. But it is a fundamental conflict between two worldviews that must be resolved in short order.

California, as usual, resolved it early. The Democrats won; the Republicans lost. The conservative way forward lost; the progressive way forward began. As we’ve laid out in this series, California is the future, always about 15 years ahead of the rest of the country. That means that America, starting in 2018, is going to resolve it, too.
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Tl dr. This is like worse than your actual posts. So im gonna reply to the article title.

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« Reply #16347 on: April 08, 2018, 08:26:44 AM »
If the dems go with this "one side must win" stuff they will lose.

Trump will always take it one step further. He will incite race wars and riots if he has to, he doesn't give a fuck if those happen in 'blue states'.
The last election had his supporters fight protesters outside rallies. The next election will probably be an even bigger mess.

Unlike a Nixon who would call for law and order or Obama for restraint, Trump won't. He will just throw more fuel on the partisan fire.
"I'd bring your guns to my rallies folks, just so you are SAFE from the resistance!"

I think Charlotsville showed there is no line he won't cross. The entire world is just part of an extremely long episode of the Apprentice.
Sometimes it is better to just hold out and wait for the storm to pass instead of going in head on.


Trump is properly pissed the Chemical attack ruined his weekend golf trip

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982966315467116544
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« Reply #16350 on: April 08, 2018, 01:01:18 PM »
Ugh
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« Reply #16351 on: April 08, 2018, 02:31:09 PM »
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/382003-south-carolina-house-republicans-introduce-bill-to-consider-secession

Guess I won’t have to pay federal taxes on my crypto if my state secedes from the union. Again.  :doge

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« Reply #16352 on: April 08, 2018, 04:02:24 PM »
It’s funny to me how incompetent this administration is. This whole trade war thing is dumb, because they keep announcing new sanctions and immediately start to walk it back as the stock market reacts. In doing so they are 1) revealing how weak their hand really is and 2) reveal their tactics.

If I was China, I wouldn’t feel any need to negotiate at all other than an attempt to let Trump save a little bit of face, because it’s very clear that the administration is already negotiating the very idea of its own position with itself before the sanctions are even in place.

It’s clear that the administration cannot even barely weather the pressure from theoretical sanctions that don’t even exist yet, so why would Xi even negotiate with him?

Within a month, Trump will be calling Xi and begging him to say they will be better international partners so Trump can claim a victory and drop the sanctions.


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« Reply #16353 on: April 08, 2018, 05:27:43 PM »
It’s funny to me how incompetent this administration is. This whole trade war thing is dumb, because they keep announcing new sanctions and immediately start to walk it back as the stock market reacts. In doing so they are 1) revealing how weak their hand really is and 2) reveal their tactics.

If I was China, I wouldn’t feel any need to negotiate at all other than an attempt to let Trump save a little bit of face, because it’s very clear that the administration is already negotiating the very idea of its own position with itself before the sanctions are even in place.

It’s clear that the administration cannot even barely weather the pressure from theoretical sanctions that don’t even exist yet, so why would Xi even negotiate with him?

Within a month, Trump will be calling Xi and begging him to say they will be better international partners so Trump can claim a victory and drop the sanctions.

My impression is that Xi knows that Trump is a shit talker that will fold at the first opportunity of not looking “weak” by doing it. People forget how many times has Trump shut up about China when they actually talk back.

Trump fucked himself pretty hard with his tariffs sperging.

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« Reply #16354 on: April 08, 2018, 05:46:37 PM »
It’s funny to me how incompetent this administration is. This whole trade war thing is dumb, because they keep announcing new sanctions and immediately start to walk it back as the stock market reacts. In doing so they are 1) revealing how weak their hand really is and 2) reveal their tactics.

If I was China, I wouldn’t feel any need to negotiate at all other than an attempt to let Trump save a little bit of face, because it’s very clear that the administration is already negotiating the very idea of its own position with itself before the sanctions are even in place.

It’s clear that the administration cannot even barely weather the pressure from theoretical sanctions that don’t even exist yet, so why would Xi even negotiate with him?

Within a month, Trump will be calling Xi and begging him to say they will be better international partners so Trump can claim a victory and drop the sanctions.

I could definitely see it being something like that. I don't think China is above giving Trump a moral victory both can sell to their public, something Trump can try to spin as being a substantive one(which it likely won't be). Which like other things, his base will eagerly suck it up.

Though Trump is going unhinged and choosing to ignore advisors at exactly the perfect moment where it wouldn't shock me if Trump backs us into a full on trade war.

Whats frustrating is that there are real problems here, like the intellectual property theft and the internal policies that intentionally undermine the barriers to entry they lowered when being brought into the western economic fold, but like everything else Trump seems to find a way to pick the absolute dumbest ways to try and address them. You could imagine another president that isn't a governing moron using a combination of a revised TPP and the right levers of diplomacy to try and convince our western economic allies that are facing these same problems, to join together and create a large unified front to try and force China's hand on many of these issues. Or over the long-term crafting a bunch of new trade deals that undercut their export market unless they are willing to sign on to those deals and accept new punitive restrictions, standards of behavior and enforcement requirements in order to do so.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16355 on: April 08, 2018, 06:27:04 PM »
If Trump were a smart man, this is when he would start to learn why we don’t have bilateral trade deals and also why we don’t constantly undermine our allies for quick political brownie points, or play chicken with the idea that we will actually honor our commitments.

Even if a number of our allies theoretically agree that some sort of concerted effort to address Chinese trade abuses, they wouldn’t want to enter into those types of negotiations with Trump as a President, because he can’t be relied on to hold up how end of the bargain.

This is why, IMO, the rest of the world will probably hang Trump out in the wind on this.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16356 on: April 08, 2018, 06:29:15 PM »
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/983103847701852160

Did John Bolton gas those children himself just so he could present air strikes on his first day as security adviser?  :doge
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16357 on: April 08, 2018, 07:06:24 PM »
Another war in the Middle East, you say? Sign me up!
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16358 on: April 08, 2018, 07:47:44 PM »
the POTUS is starting a war in the middle east to distract from his shoddily built manhattan building burning down  :doge

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16360 on: April 08, 2018, 08:17:28 PM »
http://yournewswire.com/russia-warns-usa-false-flag-syria/

Quote
Gerasimov claimed that Moscow had “reliable information that fighters are preparing to stage the use by government troops of chemical weapons against the civilian population.” He alleged that the US intends to accuse Assad’s troops of using chemical weapons against civilians, and then “carry out a bombing attack” on Damascus. Gerasimov warned that Russia would “take retaliatory measures” if the US targeted areas where its military are located in the Syrian capital. “Russian military advisers, representatives of the Center for Reconciliation and members of military police” are currently in the Syrian capital, Gerasimov said, adding that in the event that the lives of Russian military personnel are placed in danger, the Russian Armed Forces will respond with certain measure to both “missiles” and their “launchers”. A few hours earlier, Lavrov responded, “criticizing the remarks by the US envoy to the UN, Nikki Haley, about Washington’s readiness to “bomb Damascus and even the presidential palace of Bashar Assad, regardless [of the] presence of the Russian representatives there.” “It is an absolutely irresponsible statement,” the Russian top diplomat added.

2 weeks ago.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16361 on: April 08, 2018, 08:23:59 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16362 on: April 08, 2018, 09:01:09 PM »
That site seems legit.

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« Reply #16363 on: April 08, 2018, 09:03:45 PM »
Only the most legit of sources.

agrajag

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16364 on: April 08, 2018, 09:07:07 PM »
Floptimus sleeper operative from Putin's troll farm confirmee  :putin

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16365 on: April 08, 2018, 09:07:51 PM »
Triggered because an article that just hosts an interview isn't part of Western corporate media (that would of course never write about it).

'Muricans.

Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16366 on: April 08, 2018, 09:10:02 PM »


Optimus, literally every time.

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« Reply #16367 on: April 08, 2018, 09:11:42 PM »
Yea that corporate western media, preventing me from learning the truth
http://yournewswire.com/cdc-flu-shot-deadly-outbreak/

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« Reply #16368 on: April 08, 2018, 09:14:30 PM »
Hillary Clinton Joins International Witches Coven
China To Spray Chemtrails To Make It Rain Over 620,000 Sq Miles
US Film Director Claims He Channeled Reptilian Entities
Hollywood Insider: Bill Cosby Was Framed By Elite To Stop Him Buying NBC
3,600 Year Old Bible Predicts Impending Cataclysms Worldwide
3 Attorneys Found Dead In Wasserman Schultz Florida District In 2 Weeks
I Was In The Illuminati I’m Going To Tell You Everything, Shocking Expose

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16369 on: April 08, 2018, 09:15:49 PM »
Believing corporate media that told them that Assad who is already winning the war against the Muslim extremists the US government supports would use chemical weapons, not against them but mainly civilians because that is definitely the strategic thing to do at a time when a neocon war-monger is being appointed in the Trump admin.

'Muricans

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16370 on: April 08, 2018, 09:17:23 PM »
I've always said optimus and etiolate should be much better friends than they are.

They even share a love for deep-state linked Syrian chem-war truther conspiracies.

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« Reply #16371 on: April 08, 2018, 09:17:33 PM »

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« Reply #16372 on: April 08, 2018, 09:17:49 PM »
There's been like 200 chlorine attacks in Syria and nobody has given a shit but as soon as it seems there might be consequences for one it's suddenly a false flag ::)
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« Reply #16373 on: April 08, 2018, 09:17:57 PM »
Yea that corporate western media, preventing me from learning the truth
http://yournewswire.com/cdc-flu-shot-deadly-outbreak/

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Google search it you fucking moron, the interview is 100% true.

http://www.gulf-times.com/story/585075/Moscow-claims-Syria-rebels-plan-to-stage-chemical-

Oh no, it's not CNN either.

Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| It's Bolton time!!
« Reply #16374 on: April 08, 2018, 09:18:21 PM »
I've always said optimus and etiolate should be much better friends than they are.

They even share a love for deep-state linked Syrian chem-war truther conspiracies.

Are we sure Optimus isn't just toilets leftist evil side.

Did he not shit him out Like kami did Piccolo? :doge

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« Reply #16375 on: April 08, 2018, 09:20:56 PM »
So you got this site bookmarked or what?

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« Reply #16376 on: April 08, 2018, 09:22:10 PM »
Believing corporate media that told them that Assad who is already winning the war against the Muslim extremists the US government supports would use chemical weapons, not against them but mainly civilians because that is definitely the strategic thing to do at a time when a neocon war-monger is being appointed in the Trump admin.

'Muricans

Must be fun living in Hyper Realist World where everyone acts rationally and everything is perfectly explainable based on What Should Be.

I don't even understand the point of peddling this bullshit anymore. Trump doesn't seem interested in expanding US involvement in Syria. Hillary Clinton isn't walking through that door either. We're not going to spark a war in Syria, Russia has it sown up pretty tight right now (to the point US air forces wouldn't be safe in large portions of the country). So why are you guys still posting literal fake news about a topic everyone else sees pretty clearly? What's the point of all this, if war isn't going to happen?
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« Reply #16377 on: April 08, 2018, 09:22:37 PM »
Yea that corporate western media, preventing me from learning the truth
http://yournewswire.com/cdc-flu-shot-deadly-outbreak/

(Image removed from quote.)

Google search it you fucking moron, the interview is 100% true.

http://www.gulf-times.com/story/585075/Moscow-claims-Syria-rebels-plan-to-stage-chemical-

Oh no, it's not CNN either.

I listened to the link in that article, all I hear(or read on the subtitles) is Lavrov repeating the same line of denial/blame-shifting that they have used every time the issue of chemical weapons use has been brought up, including attempting to poison the well for any future incidents. Trying to blame any past, present, or future actions on the rebels and their backers.

....Just filtered through a fake news site that plays on the heart strings of conspiracy theorists that aren't prone to questioning things that play into their biases.

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« Reply #16378 on: April 08, 2018, 09:23:07 PM »
I've always said optimus and etiolate should be much better friends than they are.

They even share a love for deep-state linked Syrian chem-war truther conspiracies.


Maybe it's because we're open-minded individuals that actually consider all sides of an issue instead of being morons who copy-paste the opinion spoonfed to us by neoliberal corporate media. I might as well be talking to CNN writers in this thread with you fucking idiots in it.

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« Reply #16379 on: April 08, 2018, 09:24:41 PM »
I've always said optimus and etiolate should be much better friends than they are.

They even share a love for deep-state linked Syrian chem-war truther conspiracies.


Maybe it's because we're open-minded individuals that actually consider all sides of an issue instead of being morons who copy-paste the opinion spoonfed to us by neoliberal corporate media. I might as well be talking to CNN writers in this thread with you fucking idiots in it.

You sound triggered.
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