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[Oblivion]

so optimus likes jordan peterson as well

didn't see that coming

He likes anything that "triggers the libs"

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even though Peterson positioned himself as a sworn enemy of socialsim and Optimus is a self-proclaimed socialist 

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Well hey, bringing down capitalism is pretty important, but clearly not as important as not being able to call feminists "cunts".

[Optimus]

so optimus likes jordan peterson as well

didn't see that coming

He likes anything that "triggers the libs"

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even though Peterson positioned himself as a sworn enemy of socialsim and Optimus is a self-proclaimed socialist 

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Well hey, bringing down capitalism is pretty important, but clearly not as important as not being able to call feminists "cunts".

Unlike liberals I don't have a problem with people that have different opinions than mine unless you support a war criminal or you're an authoritarian that wants censor others because you can't handle their opinions which makes every discussion pretty pointless.

It's pretty indicative of idpol authoritarianism the fact that just because I'm not trying to smear Peterson with bullshit and anecdotal evidence it must mean that I like him. I like some of the things he says and as I REPEATEDLY said I don't like other things like confusing authoritarian left  with socialism. The fact that you ignore that part again and again is hilarious to me because it proves one more thing about your kind, the you're either with us or against us mentality. Fyi Peterson is much closer to liberalism -both economic and social ones- than you morons will ever be. Not a compliment btw for either of you.

I also like Jill Stein that has socialist ideas I agree with and some idiotic SJW ones that I disagree with, let that sink in geniuses.

[team filler]

 

[agrajag]

[Oblivion]

so optimus likes jordan peterson as well

didn't see that coming

He likes anything that "triggers the libs"

spoiler (click to show/hide)

even though Peterson positioned himself as a sworn enemy of socialsim and Optimus is a self-proclaimed socialist 

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Well hey, bringing down capitalism is pretty important, but clearly not as important as not being able to call feminists "cunts".

Unlike liberals I don't have a problem with people that have different opinions than mine unless you support a war criminal or you're an authoritarian that wants censor others because you can't handle their opinions which makes every discussion pretty pointless.

HOLY SHIT YES YOU DO!

Unless you think all your dumbass posts bitching about the SJEWS are actually posts of agreement.

It's pretty indicative of idpol authoritarianism the fact that just because I'm not trying to smear Peterson with bullshit and anecdotal evidence it must mean that I like him.

Pretty sure you like most of the shit he's actually known for.

I like some of the things he says and as I REPEATEDLY said I don't like other things like confusing authoritarian left  with socialism. The fact that you ignore that part again and again is hilarious to me because it proves one more thing about your kind, the you're either with us or against us mentality.

I didn't ignore that. It's just that given what I've seen of your posts, there's a pretty damn good chance you like the shit he talks about like idpol, to the point that it overcomes any disagreements you might have on economics or whatever.

Fyi Peterson is much closer to liberalism -both economic and social ones- than you morons will ever be. Not a compliment btw for either of you.

Wait, you're saying we're more right-wing than Peterson?

I also like Jill Stein that has socialist ideas I agree with and some idiotic SJW ones that I disagree with, let that sink in geniuses.

I'm not sure how admitting to being a Jill Stein supporter is supposed to make you look good.

[Oblivion]

Since the last election, I've been convinced of the possibility that there may indeed be a large enough voting bloc that would make a third party candidate possible. But this party would not be made up of socially liberal, economically conservatives that make up the libertarians (sorry benji). But rather, the reverse. The socially conservative, economically liberal, like Optimus and Assimilate. A party for those who want to raise the minimum wage, but also really, REALLY want to use the n-word in public.

[Mandark]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2004/05/ahmad_and_me.html

At our long meeting, Chalabi impressed me for three reasons. The first was that he thought the overthrow of one of the world's foulest-ever despotisms could be accomplished. I knew enough by then to know that any Iraqi taking this position in public was risking his life and the lives of his family. I did not know Iraq very well but had visited the country several times in peace and war and met numerous Iraqis, and the second thing that impressed me was that, whenever I mentioned any name, Chalabi was able to make an exhaustive comment on him or her. (The third thing that impressed me was his astonishingly extensive knowledge of literary and political arcana, but that's irrelevant to our purposes here.)

Now Ahmed Chalabi, there was a legendary grifter. Kids today, all they have is Michael Cohen and Scott Pruitt.

[Nola]

Since the last election, I've been convinced of the possibility that there may indeed be a large enough voting bloc that would make a third party candidate possible. But this party would not be made up of socially liberal, economically conservatives that make up the libertarians (sorry benji). But rather, the reverse. The socially conservative, economically liberal, like Optimus and Assimilate. A party for those who want to raise the minimum wage, but also really, REALLY want to use the n-word in public.

Isn't that kinda the same story that took place after the Civil Rights Act? You had the southern Democratic coalition, which were essentially socially conservative economic populists. Ultimately though their hatred of out-groups(well, black people) overpowered their sense of economic populism and you just turned southern Democrats into modern Republicans over time.

Though the problem with third parties has seemingly always been they don't do well trying to build from the higher offices on down due to the first past the post set up, but it is also difficult to build from the lower levels on up because those coalitions that make them viable on national levels are often dispersed and they become relatively hard to find enough pockets of the country where they can grow relative to the entrenched parties to really become a force before they just get re-absorbed to a dominate party or fall apart.

[Boredfrom]

I feel a third party will be inevitable even if Trump dies tomorrow and all his cronies kill themselves. How that is going to happen is anyone guess.

[Mandark]

I think Duverger's Law still holds.

Question is how much realignment there will be, and how that changes the character of the parties.

[Boredfrom]

Most of you won't deal with this, and it's ridiculous you'll post about how it's "racism" and "bigotry" when it's the lower white class Americans that do have to deal with it.

yea tons of immigrants in west virginia, you can't swing a pickaxe without hitting one

Let me ask again-

Why do you think illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay? Is it fair there's people that have to wait in line, wait their turn, for a long time to simply be skipped over? I'm not sure what is so horrifying about having laws that forbid people from just walking in and planting themselves anywhere they want.

The legal process was already quite slow, biased and cumbersome, specially when is people that were already going for low income jobs (that pay way better in the US than what they would get paid in their countries).

[Mandark]

The legal/illegal frame for immigrants also seems to implicitly leave out people overstaying their visas, which is a huge chunk of the undocumented population.

[agrajag]

you could say that people who overstay their visas assimilate into our society

[Nola]

Yeah I think it is something like half of all undocumented immigrants are visa over-stayers.

Honestly if someone is really crafting some sort of encompassing immigration policy, you would probably be much better off focusing a decent amount of resources on strongly enforcing e-verify on the corporate side and focusing resources on monitoring visas over loading up on border security.

Also, sometimes humanity and decency is actually more effective/cost efficient policy, who knew?

[Nola]

I’ll defer to you on the 40%. The number I had in my head apparently was 45% from the Pew Hispanic Center, but on finding it again that was from 2006...So that certainly would of been out of date.

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011212766487728133

[Joe Molotov]

Look, the sign said no shoes no service.

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/theanthonyking/status/1010581016463933444

[Oblivion]

Since the last election, I've been convinced of the possibility that there may indeed be a large enough voting bloc that would make a third party candidate possible. But this party would not be made up of socially liberal, economically conservatives that make up the libertarians (sorry benji). But rather, the reverse. The socially conservative, economically liberal, like Optimus and Assimilate. A party for those who want to raise the minimum wage, but also really, REALLY want to use the n-word in public.

Isn't that kinda the same story that took place after the Civil Rights Act? You had the southern Democratic coalition, which were essentially socially conservative economic populists. Ultimately though their hatred of out-groups(well, black people) overpowered their sense of economic populism and you just turned southern Democrats into modern Republicans over time.

That's true. Which also jibes with a follow up theory that I have, when it comes to economics vs. idpol, the latter wins 9 times out of 10.

[Nintex]

oh god he's really enjoying himself today

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011295779422695424

[agrajag]

twitter was a mistake

[Nola]

The administration is on a roll these last 48 hours:

The Trump Organization Says It's 'Not Practical' to Comply With the Emoluments Clause
The president’s business tells lawmakers it is too difficult to track all its foreign revenue in accordance with constitutional requirements, and it hasn’t asked Congress for a permission slip.

In response to a document request from the House Oversight Committee, Trump’s company sent a copy of an eight-page pamphlet detailing how it plans to track payments it receives from foreign governments at the firm’s many hotels, golf courses, and restaurants across the globe. But while the Trump Organization said it would set aside all money it collects from customers that identify themselves as representing a foreign government, it would not undertake a more intensive effort to determine if a payment would violate the Constitution’s prohibition on public office holders accepting an “emolument” from a foreign state.


“To fully and completely identify all patronage at our Properties by customer type is impractical in the service industry and putting forth a policy that requires all guests to identify themselves would impede upon personal privacy and diminish the guest experience of our brand,” the Trump Organization wrote in its policy pamphlet, which the company’s chief compliance officer said had been distributed to general managers and senior officials at all of its properties.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/trumps-company-isnt-tracking-all-the-money-it-gets-from-foreign-governments/527997/

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011228265003077632

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011231137233080321

[Boredfrom]

I think denying someone from service is one of the most passive ways to protest something, so dunno why Trump (and other cowards politicians of either party) is pretending are threats or harassment. And, like always, the media takes the bait for a decorum that Trump himself will not respect.

[Nola]

I think denying someone from service is one of the most passive ways to protest something, so dunno why Trump (and other cowards politicians of either party) is pretending are threats or harassment. And, like always, the media takes the bait for a decorum that Trump himself will not respect.

Likely because they are shameless and know they have a completely tribal base that has been conditioned to never engage any critical thinking and their network of media have the power to constantly amplify and frame narratives. And as you say, they almost always get a good chunk of the rest of the media(and even opposite party members) to take the bait.


https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1010566862919340032

https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1010568693003243520

[Boredfrom]

I mean, is fucking clear to me that Trump will never follow rules of decorum, why the democrats should paid lip service when the “harassment” is minimal. Trump can make thin veiled threats but people need to pretend that getting heckled in a restaurant is crossing the line.

One thing is lowering the bar and another allowing the other play as low as possible.

[Nintex]

There was a poll by CBS apparently.

- 52% of the US thinks the TRUMP WALL should be build
- 19% say it should be tried even if it turns out it didn't work in the end

- 21% think that illegal migrants should be released for later hearing
- 48% think the entire family should be send back to where they came from (deportation)
- 11% think the parents should be arrested and incarcerated but families kept together
- 4% think the parents should be arrested and incarcerated and separated from their children
- 16% isn't sure

 

[kingv]

Thanks for finding that outlier for us.

[Nola]

China approves Donald Trump-branded spas, escort services, hotels and massage parlours.

Chinese authorities have granted preliminary approval for dozens of Trump-branded businesses, expanding his commercial empire and raising further conflicts of interest, say lawyers.

The 38 trademarks include new hotels, spas, escort and concierge services, massage parlors, personal security services and insurance, according to public documents.

The President’s lawyers applied for the trademarks in April last year, at the same time the then Presidential candidate Trump was accusing China of "ripping off" the US and deliberately manipulating its currency to its own advantage.

If there is no objection, the trademarks will be formally registered after 90 days.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/china-donald-trump-branded-without-us-congress-permission-trademarks-spas-escort-services-hotels-and-a7619136.html

 

[Joe Molotov]

Have my Donald Trump hooker sent up to my room, please.

[Mandark]

Since the last election, I've been convinced of the possibility that there may indeed be a large enough voting bloc that would make a third party candidate possible. But this party would not be made up of socially liberal, economically conservatives that make up the libertarians (sorry benji). But rather, the reverse. The socially conservative, economically liberal, like Optimus and Assimilate. A party for those who want to raise the minimum wage, but also really, REALLY want to use the n-word in public.

This is actually a point I think that Atrios used to make on his blog. Tom Friedman, David Broder, etc. would speculate about a third party saving politics by being a sort of extreme DLC: pro-free trade, encouraging "innovation" and "competitiveness" in American businesses, vaguely liberal on social issues, lots of public-private sector partnerships, tinkering with the safety net to "save" it, cutting deficits, etc. But the sort of heterodox party that could actually have a popular base would be the reverse: socially conservative but fine with government interventions as long as the benefits went to the right kinds of people.

Some people have taken Trump as a sign that the GOP is moving in that direction, but it's hard to say the party's changed on economic issues except for free trade polling a lot worse with their voters.

[curly]

the electorate is yearning for a party with the guts to slash social security and return civility to DC

[Mandark]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity08
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_Elect

There's this persistent belief from some thinkfluencers that a broad majority of Americans actually yearn for their brand of centrism, and if divisive, partisan issues weren't such a distraction, they'd all band together and elect Michael Bloomberg or a back issue of The New Republic as president.

"Deep down the people agree with me, they're just being misled and confused by the current leadership" is a popular idea all across the spectrum, but it's extra funny when these guys do it.

[agrajag]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/06/25/trump-says-harley-davidson-first-wave-white-flag-tariffs/732821002/

It's almost as if corporations goal is to make money and they are unwilling to take a hit for the administrations protectionist populism.

 

[kingv]

I think true centrism where a lot of people agree are things like “health care should be better and cheaper”, college should be affordable”, and things like that.

The GOP mostly dissembles about these things by claiming the reason they are not is because of freeloaders and or illegals.

[Nola]

!!! Ezra Klein Voxsplainer Incoming !!!


But honestly, this is one of those pieces that stuck with me because it always seemed like something was fishy with the theory of the elusive but promised vast centrist majority(so in that sense maybe there is some motivated reasoning at work on my part), but the research Ezra cribs his piece from is fascinating in it's own right and Broockman and Ahler  continue to do some interesting work, including some follow up work that partially looked at the rise of the Trump phenomenon and made some interesting observations that pretty much all held true:

There is no creature more revered in American politics than the moderate voter. Unlike the ideologues and partisans destroying politics, the moderate is free of cant and independent of party. She yearns for politicians who get along, who govern reasonably and incrementally, who steer a course between the extremes of the left and the right. The problem with Washington is that her pleas so often go unheard.

The only problem is moderates are largely a statistical myth. When you dig into their policy positions, the people who show up as moderates in polls are actually pretty damn extreme — and efforts to empower them may, accidentally, lead to the rise of more extreme candidates.

The other problem is that the term "moderate" makes it sound like there's one kind of moderate — which is where the idea emerges that there's some silent moderate majority out there waiting for their chance to take back politics. But someone who believes in punitively taxing the rich and criminalizing homosexuality is not going to form a coalition with someone who believes in low taxes and gay marriage, even though both of these voters would look moderate on a survey.

https://www.vox.com/2014/7/8/5878293/lets-stop-using-the-word-moderate


EDIT: Here's a news piece on their follow up:
https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2016/02/02/2151804/the-donald-trump-candidacy-and-moderate-myths/

[benjipwns]

But this party would not be made up of socially liberal, economically conservatives that make up the libertarians (sorry benji).

Stop confusing me for Nick Gillespie. I own absolutely zero leather jackets. And my hair is properly unkempt.

a back issue of The New Republic as president.

Tell me more about this "back issue" and would it consider a back issue of DieHard GameFan as a running mate to attract the youth vote?

[benjipwns]

Andrew Sullivan rejects first hundred years of the nation's claim to having a functioning government, skips over unique setup of racist anti-Asian treaties to avoid questions of if the federal government could regulate immigration, to instead endorse Progressive Era/post-WWI's blatantly racially and ethnically focused quota system ratcheted up multiple times by Congress to greatly restrict all immigrants as merely "conservative" in the classical Burkean sense.

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Despite said system doing nothing to "slow" massive demographic change over the last century.

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[curly]

Hasn't the US been in a constant state of major demographic change since the start? We just redefined what populations were acceptable once they had been established long enough and there was a new immigrant menace. The solution is to just move up Latinos' admission into whiteness a few decades and the crisis will be solved.

[benjipwns]

yeah i was already pushing the limits of a snarky sentence but there's a whole lot of unspoken assumptions in the association between solely "illegal immigration" and "massive demographic change" that supposedly threatens to undermine functioning democracy

[benjipwns]

ffs nola

ya but what if i do it by coming in way out of left field with the total open borders stance while being unassailable as a social studies warrior or progressive or Democrat or "idpol liberal" or whatever

so they should just cross borders, illegally, in the thousands?

No, crossing arbitrary and temporary lines shouldn't be illegal. Hypothetical negatives because you don't care for the imagery of a group of people doesn't remove their right to free movement.

And "the thousands" is hardly "mass immigration" that will restructure demographics causing the great unwashed to undermine the Republic finally. (Especially considering how many of them are already here. And have been here. And probably have voted thanks to the Democrats voter fraud in California.)

t's even double comical when people like you would be the first to jump on a U.S President if he decided to try and free Venezuela from a communist dictator.

You asshats would be the first to cry foul. Here is a country in shambles, that can't overtake an asshole, or vote him out (because it's rigged) and so they are crossing into other countries in huge huge numbers. The irony is unbelievable. 

It is not the duty, and rarely has it been shown to be within the ability, of the United States Government to be enforcing Article 4, Section 4 of its Constitution against other sovereign nations. (It doesn't even have the best record of enforcing this clause domestically.) Plus, there's that whole part where Congress alone has the power to declare war.

Failed states are practically by definition not an actual existential threat to the United States.

? I'm not sure what is so horrifying about having laws that forbid people from just walking in and planting themselves anywhere they want.

Those already exist, they're basic private property laws and existed eons before modern garrison-state style immigration/border laws. And it works both ways because what you are actually arguing for are laws that forbid American citizens from associating voluntarily with certain people because their neighbors (or people thousands of miles away) don't want them to because it'll cause weakening of the American Race or something.

[benjipwns]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/business/media/sean-spicer-talk-show.html

Sean Spicer, arguably the world’s most famous White House press secretary, is developing a talk show with the tentative title of “Sean Spicer’s Common Ground,” in which the former spokesman for President Trump interviews notable people in an informal setting.

A pitch sheet for the show’s pilot, obtained by The New York Times, describes Mr. Spicer hosting “some of the most interesting and thoughtful public figures for a drink and some lite conversation at a local pub or cafe.”

“The relaxed atmosphere is an ideal setting for Sean to get to know his guests as they discuss everything from the media to marriage,” the pitch continues. “They might even tangle over the merits of making your bed or the value of a great point guard.”

No network is attached to the project, but the pilot episode, to be filmed in July, is backed by heavy hitters in the realm of unscripted television. Debmar-Mercury, the syndicator of daytime series including “The Wendy Williams Show” and “Family Feud,” is co-producing with Pilgrim Media Group, which has developed basic-cable staples like “American Chopper.”

Reached on Monday, Mr. Spicer confirmed that a show was in the works. “In this current environment, I think it’s important to have a platform where we can have civil, respectful, and informative discussions on the issues of the day,” he told The Times.

[Joe Molotov]

Sean Spicer's Common Ground 

I think we can do better than that.

- The Spice Rack
- Spicey's Hot Takes
- Hold the Spice
- Extra Spicey
- Sugar and Spice (Co-starring Sugar Ray Leonard)
- Cooking with Spice (this one's just a cooking show)

[benjipwns]

Sarah Huckabee Sanders' Common Ground

[TakingBackSunday]

Fuck Mitch McConnell

[chronovore]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/06/stephen-miller-family-separation-white-house

Is this little incel in the line-of-succession, or are we free to speculate on his longevity without fear of invoking Title 18, Section 871?

[zomgee]

Fuck Mitch McConnell

i would not watch this television show

[Nola]

Someone on Reddit found the directory link to the Marist polls for Ohio, Arizona, and Florida. TLDR, Republicans appear pretty fucked....If historical mid-term trends for a president's party and the other 40 special elections they lost didn't already hint at it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BlueMidterm2018/comments/8u2h7h/nbcmarist_polls_of_azohfl_sinema_11_over_mcsally/

[Nintex]

Spice should bring Trump and Brianne Wu on his show in the same episode.
If he does that, he's TV king.

Meanwhile in the DC office of the Trump Organization.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011620271327989760

Everything was lit
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011588967442022406

Whatever happened to well basically anyone restraining the lunatic?

[agrajag]

Spice should bring Trump and Brianne Wu on his show in the same episode.

I would watch them argue about the Space Force and dropping rocks from the moo .

[Mandark]

Hasn't the US been in a constant state of major demographic change since the start? We just redefined what populations were acceptable once they had been established long enough and there was a new immigrant menace. The solution is to just move up Latinos' admission into whiteness a few decades and the crisis will be solved.

It's almost comical how the current anti-immigrant rhetoric is just replaying panics from 100, 170 years ago. The Germans aren't learning our language! The Irish and Italians are poor, illiterate, and prone to crime. The Jews are loyal to their own religion over the country they live in.

[Nola]

Pretty much:

Immigration Restriction League

Founded in 1894 by three young Harvard College graduates, Charles Warren, Robert DeCourcy Ward, and Prescott Farnsworth Hall, the Immigration Restriction League (IRL) advocated a literacy requirement as a means to limit immigration into the United States. Watching with anxiety as immigration increased sharply in the 1880s and 1890s, League members had lost faith in the nation's ability to assimilate newcomers into its political, social, and cultural fabric. They associated immigration with the socio-economic problems of their increasingly urban and industrialized society—crowded tenements, poverty, crime and delinquency, labor unrest, and violence. In particular, League members made a distinction between the "old immigrants" of English, Irish, and German stock and the "new immigrants" from Italy and Eastern Europe. They claimed that these recently arrived "undesirables" were inherently unable to participate in self-government or to adopt American values. Many League spokesmen came to identify with the eugenics movement, which found a pseudoscientific basis for the classification and ranking of ethnic and racial groups.

Change the origin states around and you have all the hallmark bullet points of an anti-immigration PAC, a Charles Murray talk, or an Assimilate post.

[Nintex]

Hasn't the US been in a constant state of major demographic change since the start? We just redefined what populations were acceptable once they had been established long enough and there was a new immigrant menace. The solution is to just move up Latinos' admission into whiteness a few decades and the crisis will be solved.

It's almost comical how the current anti-immigrant rhetoric is just replaying panics from 100, 170 years ago. The Germans aren't learning our language! [...]

Well, they did start 2 world wars and engineered a fascist take-over of the world with their agents.

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/1011706121571139591

[Mandark]

Oh hey, the Muslim ban was upheld... 5-4. Good times.

[Mandark]

At least part of what they changed wasn't whittling down, but adding Venezuela and North Korea to the list (but only government officials from Venezuela?), so they could point at those and say "look! we're not singling out Muslims!"

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1011675772568965122

How do the ideas consistently get worse.

2018: "Following his Meeting with Putin, Trump asked about Chernobyl and called it very bad. Then he wondered if the US should also have a nuclear disaster to embarrass Rick Perry."
2019: "After the Iranian peace summit and learning the Mullah's would hang their enemies from cranes, Trump asked if Kellyanne could poll how the public would feel about public hangings."
2020: "During meetings with President Erdogan the upcoming election was discussed and Trump contemplated whether or not he should shell one of his own cities like Erdogan did."
2021: "After meeting with tribal chief Mawawi Ambu in Ethiopia in private and learning about sacred rituals that involved ramming bones through their noses. Trump commented to his staff that maybe they should ram sticks through their dicks."

[Assimilate]

No, crossing arbitrary and temporary lines shouldn't be illegal. Hypothetical negatives because you don't care for the imagery of a group of people doesn't remove their right to free movement.

Their right to free movement? Who gave them that right? Maybe while you're at it they should have the right to stay at your house. lol

? I'm not sure what is so horrifying about having laws that forbid people from just walking in and planting themselves anywhere they want.

Those already exist, they're basic private property laws and existed eons before modern garrison-state style immigration/border laws. And it works both ways because what you are actually arguing for are laws that forbid American citizens from associating voluntarily with certain people because their neighbors (or people thousands of miles away) don't want them to because it'll cause weakening of the American Race or something.

What i'm arguing for is common sense immigration law. Stop talking gibberish.

[Mandark]

To benji's point, he's prevented from inviting them to his home.

[Assimilate]

To benji's point, he's prevented from inviting them to his home.

The kid is....

It is not the duty, and rarely has it been shown to be within the ability, of the United States Government to be enforcing Article 4, Section 4 of its Constitution against other sovereign nations. (It doesn't even have the best record of enforcing this clause domestically.) Plus, there's that whole part where Congress alone has the power to declare war.

Failed states are practically by definition not an actual existential threat to the United States.

a fucking pretentious asshat.

what does this have to do with anything that i was saying?

[Boredfrom]

That was probably one of the most straightforward posts that Benji has written here.