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[Nintex]

AP: Black Americans aren’t buying Omarosa’s turn against Trump

“Her tell-all mea culpa won’t win her any brownie points with most blacks,” said Earl Ofari Hutchinson, author of the book “Why Black Lives Do Matter.” ″Their loathing of Omarosa is virtually frozen in stone. She’s still roundly lambasted as a two-bit opportunist, a racial sellout and an ego driven hustler.”

Few in the black community immediately rushed to defend Manigault Newman after she wrote a book titled “Unhinged” about her time in the White House.

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“We should not mistake anything that has happened here as to be Omarosa in any way purporting be a benefit to the African-American community,” said Aisha Moodie-Mills, a Democratic strategist.

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Raynard Jackson, a black Republican who has worked on GOP presidential, gubernatorial and local campaigns, said Manigault Newman secretly recording Trump and other White House officials will make her a pariah in conservative circles as well.

“There is absolutely no way she can redeem herself. Who is going to trust her ever again?” Jackson said. “Recording someone under these circumstances is the political equivalent of spitting on a man.”

Conservative commentator Armstrong Williams said he’s known Manigault Newman since she was 19 and will always consider her a friend. But “Omarosa can’t be trusted,” he said. “There’s an issue when you can’t be trusted and can’t be loyal.”

As her feud with Trump intensified, Manigault Newman’s relationship with the black community became the topic of many conversations among African-Americans, especially on social media. Some offered hope for Manigault Newman, however conditional.

If Omarosa “is the one to get some traction on people seeing how truly raggedy this administration is enough to take action... we should reconsider letting her get a to-go plate from the cookout. Someone can take it to her,” tweeted Bari A. Williams, an Oakland lawyer and business operations executive.

Well now that everyone hates Omarosa and the hustle is up only one thing for her left to do

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[kingv]

While I think this is petty and dumb, it’s not really as big of a deal as a lot are wringing their hands over. It’s not like Brennan has a SIPR terminal and a scif in his basement. It’s quite likely he hasn’t interacted with ANY classified material since he left office.

What's amusing to me is the media response. They're supposed to be these experts and explaining why this is this grave crime and everything. But from what I understand, normally former officials and any other workers don't keep their security clearances and can just wander in and rummage through the files or pick up the hottest tips and cheat codes off the 1-900 CIA tipline. If they're needed back to consult or testify or whatever, the agencies can give them temporary grants even as short as a few hours to review material to a month or more if it's a larger case, etc. They can even totally waive the requirements, former Presidents commonly receive that treatment even though they never have been vetted for security clearances and received theirs simply for being President. They even have the power to grant restricted clearances so that say Brennan is only allowed to view stuff from during his term.

Them keeping their clearances was what's out of the norm and likely due to Trump Administration incompetency or something. Obama didn't to my knowledge sign anything to extend their clearances, so the onus must have been on the incoming Trump Administration to approve paperwork of some kind.

Just from a casual glance it seems more like a "bad optics" thing than anything deliberate as either side are painting it. The idea that they are using their clearances to get leaks that they give to their news networks is just as absurd, they're still LEAKING it, which is illegal, even if they're allowed to receive the information under their lingering clearance that just shifts the crime to themselves rather than the random CIA or NSA employee.

I don’t think it IS actually out of the norm.

Even once you leave a military position (or whatever) you keep your clearance so you don’t have to be re-cleared if you find a new job. You are just read out of all the programs you have access to and you’re put in some kind of inactive status (not sure what the technical term is). This is going to be the status of most of the people on that list. Nothing is really done to “preserve” their clearance but they don’t have access and they don’t have need-to-know, so they can’t easily use that clearance (unless they get another job where they would... which is possible for some).

I think only people like Secstste, NSA, or DNi actually keep their clearances in an active stays, but this is mostly so that the new people in their position have a means to discuss stuff with their predecessors because there are not a lot of people with that experience.

[benjipwns]

Well, this was the article I read that I was trying to remember the details of from a few weeks ago, not five minutes as coward soyboys might claim, and reviewing it I see that your pedantry tops my pedantry because I conflated terms regarding clearance, eligibility, access and records while your more distinct separation is more accurate: https://www.lawfareblog.com/can-president-revoke-former-officials-security-clearances

I also had forgot that most clearances have terms that automatically expire. That would explain it.

[Joe Molotov]

We had a Pac-Man machine too at some point but the store manager at the time monopolized it and never did anything. Unfortunately this was an upgrade over his predecessor who kept a secondary executive with a drug problem on staff (but didn't try to help them beat it)

wait, beat the drug problem or Pac-Man?

We’ve got a heroin kill screen coming up over here! Heroin kill screen!

[Brehvolution]

Incel:    I get my facts from entertainers.


Also incel:  Hey you, why don't shut up about politics and stick to acting.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1030081533976174592
aw yisssssss 

Let's vote people:

A) Pence's "Let's hang the gays" quip
B) More Trump N-word shenigans
C) Jared and Ivanka
D) Something something, mental state of the President
E) Blowjobs in the oval office

[Brehvolution]

It can't be blowjobs. That's an impeachable offense. 

[Nintex]

In other news, Trump has won the Trade War. The Chinese will head to Washington before the end of this month to cut a deal.

https://twitter.com/BloombergTV/status/1030085181057761280

[kingv]

I remember when he won the trade war in April.

I also remember when he won the trade war in Europe like 3 weeks ago.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/MikeDelMoro/status/1030081533976174592
aw yisssssss 

Let's vote people:

A) Pence's "Let's hang the gays" quip
B) More Trump N-word shenigans
C) Jared and Ivanka
D) Something something, mental state of the President
E) Blowjobs in the oval office

Calm down, it's Omarosa, not the next Nintendo Direct.

[kingv]

Well, this was the article I read that I was trying to remember the details of from a few weeks ago, not five minutes as coward soyboys might claim, and reviewing it I see that your pedantry tops my pedantry because I conflated terms regarding clearance, eligibility, access and records while your more distinct separation is more accurate: https://www.lawfareblog.com/can-president-revoke-former-officials-security-clearances

I also had forgot that most clearances have terms that automatically expire. That would explain it.

I had a clearance for a long time in the military so have a good amount of first hand experience with it
and how it works. Reporting on clearance is consistently awful.

One thing I don’t think people didn’t fully appreciate about the Hillary Email thing is that it actually was kind of s big deal from the perspective of anybody that has actually ever worked in a SCIF or had any kind of clearance whatsoever. Maybe not illegal but from my perspective it still seems grossly negligent.... and the idea that she doesn’t know what the classification markings meant seems implausible.

Obvi still voted for Queen over Trump tho.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/petestrzok/status/1029340464636461056

$418,837 of $500,000 goal

[TakingBackSunday]

This orchestrated effort by the US press all publishing editorials about Trump's critique of the press might be one of the stupidest fucking things to do.  This gives Trump more than enough ammo and circumstantial evidence to point at all of these editorials and be all "see!  the fake news media colludes against me with the corrupt and evil democrats!"

[Boredfrom]

He already does this without any proof.

[Nintex]

This orchestrated effort by the US press all publishing editorials about Trump's critique of the press might be one of the stupidest fucking things to do.  This gives Trump more than enough ammo and circumstantial evidence to point at all of these editorials and be all "see!  the fake news media colludes against me with the corrupt and evil democrats!"

They keep doing this because they need to sell newspapers/TV ads/Online ads and circle the wagons.
Trump kicked out a CNN reporter. no one cared. And the reporter was back the next day.

If anything Trump is keeping the 'FAKE NEWS' alive by generating so much of it. He knows the press can't ignore a flaming train wreck when they see one.
And every time he insults Acosta it shows 'the people' that he's fighting for them against the elites. When Acosta starts shouting questions at the President he can sell himself as the #resistance.

Meanwhile the deep state #resistance like Brennan either peddles their Russia theories to CNN or starts to monetize the crazy by writing books (Seth is going to turn his Twitter threads into a book / Schindler has a paid premium Twitter account) or they just straight up start raising money for 'something'.

Strzok's net worth was $1.4 million. He's now heading towards $2 million. He's fired from the FBI but there's no lawsuit or anything running against him.
The only person who has not been told this is all a racket is Sarah Sanders. 

Even Trump supporters know at some level. Acosta got the 'fake news' screaming shower at a rally while the camera was rolling. Afterwards the Trump people took selfies with him and their MAGA hats.

[Boredfrom]

Nintex, why?

[Kara]

We had a Pac-Man machine too at some point but the store manager at the time monopolized it and never did anything. Unfortunately this was an upgrade over his predecessor who kept a secondary executive with a drug problem on staff (but didn't try to help them beat it)

wait, beat the drug problem or Pac-Man?

I don't speak internet commenter or Reset Era poster, sorry.

[agrajag]

Nintex, why?

You must've missed the other 9,758 Nintex hot takes to be asking that question.

[kingv]

This orchestrated effort by the US press all publishing editorials about Trump's critique of the press might be one of the stupidest fucking things to do.  This gives Trump more than enough ammo and circumstantial evidence to point at all of these editorials and be all "see!  the fake news media colludes against me with the corrupt and evil democrats!"

They keep doing this because they need to sell newspapers/TV ads/Online ads and circle the wagons.
Trump kicked out a CNN reporter. no one cared. And the reporter was back the next day.

If anything Trump is keeping the 'FAKE NEWS' alive by generating so much of it. He knows the press can't ignore a flaming train wreck when they see one.
And every time he insults Acosta it shows 'the people' that he's fighting for them against the elites. When Acosta starts shouting questions at the President he can sell himself as the #resistance.

Meanwhile the deep state #resistance like Brennan either peddles their Russia theories to CNN or starts to monetize the crazy by writing books (Seth is going to turn his Twitter threads into a book / Schindler has a paid premium Twitter account) or they just straight up start raising money for 'something'.

Strzok's net worth was $1.4 million. He's now heading towards $2 million. He's fired from the FBI but there's no lawsuit or anything running against him.
The only person who has not been told this is all a racket is Sarah Sanders. 

Even Trump supporters know at some level. Acosta got the 'fake news' screaming shower at a rally while the camera was rolling. Afterwards the Trump people took selfies with him and their MAGA hats.

A good example of this is that Washington Post article about Kell Anne Conway and her husband where she tried to go off the record mid-interview and the reporter wasn’t having it and published the whole exchange where she says “as somebody who knows about their marriage, you could say it’s breaking their marital vows”.

It gives you a view into how the Trump team manipulates the press into creating a narrative that they can work with as a foil. There is no way that Trump/Kellyanne/whoever is not feeding salacious quotes to the Wapo on Tuesday and then calling the article fake news on Thursday.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1030139072008871936

So Trump's small donor $ are used to pay off people like Omarosa 

[agrajag]

I don't get it, they wanted her to work on the Trump re-election campaign after they fired her?

[Kara]

One thing I don’t think people didn’t fully appreciate about the Hillary Email thing is that it actually was kind of s big deal from the perspective of anybody that has actually ever worked in a SCIF or had any kind of clearance whatsoever. Maybe not illegal but from my perspective it still seems grossly negligent.... and the idea that she doesn’t know what the classification markings meant seems implausible.

I suspect that in ~20 years the attitudes of rank and file party stalwarts will evolve on that one like they did with Monica. (I'm not equating the two acts, just the 🙈🙉🙊 reaction to them.)

[benjipwns]

ffs NBC, YOU HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THIS WOMAN ALREADY!

[agrajag]

It just shows how Trump operates like a mafia don. Having family members offer hush payments? I see Lara Trump has taken up Michael Cohen's job of fixer? Also, who the fuck is Lara Trump? First time I hear of her. I have so many questions.

[Nintex]

I don't get it, they wanted her to work on the Trump re-election campaign after they fired her?

They wanted her to not leak things she had recorded and seen while accomplishing nothing.

So the Trump Org. excuse me 'administration/government' decided they could hire her on the campaign team for $180 000 a/year to pay for her silence.


Meanwhile, I like this judge 
https://twitter.com/JakeBGibson/status/1030097565411356672

[benjipwns]

It just shows how Trump operates like a mafia don. Having family members offer hush payments? I see Lara Trump has taken up Michael Cohen's job of fixer? Also, who the fuck is Lara Trump? First time I hear of her. I have so many questions.

Eric's "wife" or handler or whatever.

[agrajag]

Seems like an insultingly low amount to pay off someone. But then again, Trump has been stingy with the hush money, see Stormy Daniels.

It just shows how Trump operates like a mafia don. Having family members offer hush payments? I see Lara Trump has taken up Michael Cohen's job of fixer? Also, who the fuck is Lara Trump? First time I hear of her. I have so many questions.

Eric's "wife" or handler or whatever.

Beard?

[kingv]

I don’t know, seems like a lot of congressmen will damn near sell you their soul and suck your dick bone dry for like $20K.

$180K seems pretty good actually for a fake job where you do no work. But Omarosa know that she’s probably going to have A NYT best seller.

[benjipwns]

Congressmen do have those weird party quotas they have to meet though: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-are-members-of-congress-becoming-telemarketers/

Rep. David Jolly: We sat behind closed doors at one of the party headquarter back rooms in front of a white board where the equation was drawn out. You have six months until the election. Break that down to having to raise $2 million in the next six months. And your job, new member of Congress, is to raise $18,000 a day. Your first responsibility is to make sure you hit $18,000 a day.

Norah O'Donnell: Your first responsibility--

Rep. David Jolly: My first responsibility--

Norah O'Donnell: --as a congressman?

Rep. David Jolly: --as a sitting member of Congress.

Norah O'Donnell: How were you supposed to raise $18,000 a day?

Rep. David Jolly: Simply by calling people, cold-calling a list that fundraisers put in front of you, you're presented with their biography. So please call John. He's married to Sally. His daughter, Emma, just graduated from high school. They gave $18,000 last year to different candidates. They can give you $1,000 too if you ask them to. And they put you on the phone. And it's a script.

Rep. David Jolly: The House schedule is actually arranged, in some ways, around fundraising.

Norah O'Donnell: You're telling me the whole schedule of how work gets done is scheduled around fundraising?

Rep. David Jolly: That's right. You never see a committee working through lunch because those are your fundraising times. And then in between afternoon votes and evening votes, that's when you can see Democrats walking down this street, Republicans walking down that street to spend time on the phone making phone calls.

By law, members of Congress cannot make fundraising calls from their offices. So both parties have set up "call centers" just a few blocks away. This is where the Republicans have theirs.

Norah O'Donnell: So can I go in there?

Rep. David Jolly: I don't think they would let either one of us in here, at this point. Remember I stopped paying my dues.

What Jolly means is that in addition to raising money for their own campaigns, members are supposed to raise thousands of dollars for their parties. That's their dues. If Republican members don't pay up, they can't use the party's call suites. No photos exist of the inside of either the Democratic or Republican centers.

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[CatsCatsCats]

I feel like Omarosa is just mad at the world for mispronouncing her name

[Nintex]

You: "Surely the GOP will see all this corruption and finally take a stand against Donald Trump and tell him: 'No more Donald. We are the party of values and conservatism and you have got to behave yourself mister!' "

GOP:
https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1030141769307054081

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Big D:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1030166194723205122

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[Phoenix Dark]

It's all fun and games until Omarosa releases her next tape exclusively on CNN TOMORROW NIGHT AT 9PM in which she reveals she had reservations about Trump from the very beginning. The tape, dated September 2007, includes the following excerpt: "Donald Trump is not qualified to be president and is a terrible man, but I fear I must help him in order to provide for myself in this capitalist society. One day, perhaps in 2016, he will run for president, and the country will suffer."

[Brehvolution]

https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/fox-news-tried-going-after-denmark-big-mistake

[VomKriege]

Better call Cohen Sekulow Cobb Rudy

[agrajag]

Better call Cohen Sekulow Cobb Rudy

You forgot Doud and Kasowitz

 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1030205869638787072

So uh, what are the odds that Manafort walks 

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Because the jury is too fucking stupid to understand anything that has been going on during the trial

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The jury has proposed these 4 questions:
Q: Is one required to file an FBAR if they own less than 50% of the company and no signatory authority?
Q: Define "shelf company"?
Q: Can you redefine reasonable doubt?
Q: Can the exhibit list be amended to include the indictment?

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[benjipwns]

I'm probably mistaken as usual, but from those questions it looks like what the Judge was complaining to the prosecutors about last week or whenever, that they were making their case too complex by trying to include all kinds of irrelevant information that they weren't charging based on. I wonder if that's why the defense rested so quickly, maybe they were betting the prosecutors had screwed themselves.

[Mandark]

ya they probably had lots of exculpatory evidence but decided not to use it

[benjipwns]

That's not what I was implying at all. Any defense of Manafort would have to start to begin to explain his crimes and other near crimes among all the other things the prosecution brought up. If the prosecution has derailed their own case on the charges he's facing, the defense's best move is not to re-litigate those at a further length. Especially when Gates was in many ways an effective witness for themselves. Manafort's lawyers know he's guilty so their goal would never be to make him appear innocent but instead to muddle and introduce confusion into the case. They just happened to get prosecutors who were willing to do most of that legwork themselves by chasing all the arcane pathways they aren't charging him for.

You know, that whole if the law is against you, if the facts are against you, argue until confusion and all that.

[Mandark]

simplest explanation is they were never going to call any witnesses

[benjipwns]

Simplest explanation is that they couldn't find out who QAnon was in time for him to testify.

[Nintex]

Manafort might also be holding out for a presidential pardon. If he kept his mouth shut Trump might see that as 'loyalty' and so far there has been nothing in this case that links Manafort to any of the alleged wrongdoings of the Trump campaign.

In any case they should've just presented his fraud and have Rick Gates say 'y/n'.
But instead we had the double whammy of Gates fucking over Manafort by using his money to fund his affairs abroad and the prosecutors trying to connect all sorts of dots.

I bet the jury didn't really understand all the details in the case (even the judge had trouble figuring out the relevant bits).

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It could also be that the jury has been compromised by the Russians. 

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[Joe Molotov]

Simplest explanation is that they couldn't find out who QAnon was in time for him to testify.

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1029429728506261505

[benjipwns]

(even the judge had trouble figuring out the relevant bits).

From the "leak" it sounded more like he was trying to strongly suggest to the prosecution that they were complicating their own case and should focus on the slam dunk parts.

Now the jury seems to want basic details explained.

[benjipwns]

https://politics.theonion.com/omarosa-searches-through-tapes-of-everyone-else-in-whit-1828344800

WASHINGTON—Insisting that it had to be in the audio recordings made during her time in the administration, Omarosa Manigault-Newman was frantically searching Tuesday through tapes of everyone else in the White House using the N-word for one of President Trump uttering the racial slur. “C’mon, c’mon, I know Trump’s in here somewhere,” said Manigault-Newman as she fast-forwarded through a recording of Stephen Miller and Jeff Sessions casually using the racial slur during a conversation in the West Wing. “I’ve got hours of John Kelly dropping N-bombs and a several where Trump is in the room when Bannon yells it, but I haven’t found any of the president yet. One tape seemed promising, but there’s a lot of crosstalk where everybody in the room was saying the N-word over each other, so you can’t make out Trump clearly. Ugh, this is going to take forever.” At press time, Manigault-Newman was forced to keep looking after all that turned up so far were two dozen recordings of Trump saying “wetback” and “dune coon.”

[Nintex]

Military coup imminent 
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1030242592628334593

[Kara]

https://www.wnyc.org/story/should-new-jersey-democratic-officials-keep-jailing-immigrants-ice/

[HardcoreRetro]

Hope they stick the ice in the cooler otherwise it melts. 

[Nintex]

Omarosa claims to have made 200 tapes. 

 

[HardcoreRetro]

Betamax or vhs?

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1030423480725118976

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1030426536871116801

Just how 

[VomKriege]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-and-omarosa-had-a-fcking-weird-fight-with-vietnam-vets

Source present at the time tell The Daily Beast that multiple people—including Vietnam War veterans—chimed in to inform the president that the Apocalypse Now set piece he was talking about showcased the U.S. military using napalm, not Agent Orange.

Trump refused to accept that he was mistaken and proceeded to say things like, “no, I think it’s that stuff from that movie.”

One clue belying the president’s insistence is that the famous Robert Duvall line from the scene in Apocalypse Now, “I love the smell of napalm in the morning,” is not “I love the smell of Agent Orange in the morning.”

[Nintex]

 

According to two people in attendance, Trump then flippantly replied to the Vietnam vet, “Well, I think you just didn’t like the movie,” before finally moving on.

Apocalypse Now is a great movie. 

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Fun fact: I have had to clean malware off the legal counsel's personal computer for the company I work at multiple times. All he says he does is browse fauxnewz. I tell him it come from shady ads on the site. He doesn't believe me. I told him he can take it to Best Buy from now on.

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[agrajag]

No Mr. President, Agent Orange is you, you are Agent Orange.

[Boredfrom]

Orange Lantern Oath

What's mine is mine and mine and mine.

And mine and mine and mine!

Not yours!"

[Joe Molotov]

Mattis, who spoke before the announcement that the parade would not happen in 2018, added: “I’m not dignifying that number ($92 million) with a reply. I would discount that, and anybody who said (that number), I’ll almost guarantee you one thing: They probably said, ‘I need to stay anonymous.’ No kidding, because you look like an idiot. And No. 2, whoever wrote it needs to get better sources. I’ll just leave it at that.”

12 hours later: “We cancelled the $92 Million parade.”

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1030471634145107969

#FREEMANAFORT

I'm seeing op-eds everywhere that the judge was 'biased' because he intervened. Those numbskulls don't grasp what Manafort's defense figured out when they walked into that court room and took a look at the jury
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1030204085235011585