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« Reply #46200 on: January 05, 2020, 07:41:03 PM »
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Trump, on AF1, to reporters on Iraq parliament vote to expel US troops, says if Baghdad asks them to leave and does not repay for joint air base:

“We will charge them sanctions like they’ve never seen before ever. It’ll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame.”
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“They’re allowed to kill our people? They’re allowed to torture and maim our people, they’re allowed to use roadside bombs and blow up our people? And we’re not allowed to touch their cultural sites? It doesn’t work that way”
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After strike, Trump seems to acknowledge that Iran may retaliate against American assets:

“If it happens, it happens. If they do anything there will be major retaliation.”

Trump is now threatening both Iran and Iraq. #progress #deescalation #diplomacy
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« Reply #46202 on: January 05, 2020, 08:00:54 PM »
This primary I've been getting a decent amount of text messages that I would describe as the equivalent of door knocking for a candidate. I assume the people behind these are juggling lots and lots of them at any one time so short response times aren't a reasonable expectation, but it's really hard to work up the energy to lie and say, "Shucks, I just haven't decided between Biden, Warren, or Sanders," as the chain of: initial contact, response, follow-up response drags into the following morning from early evening.

On the plus side at least it's not a 30 to 45 minute telephone conversation with a pollster who doesn't like that I do benji-style responses to questions.

I got a text from the Bernie team today. I responded over an hour later, and they sent me another long form response not long after. I haven't responded to that.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| bombbombomb bombbomb Iran
« Reply #46203 on: January 05, 2020, 08:09:19 PM »
CAIR circulating a press release about people of Iranian background being detained at the Washington Canada border. (There was a concert in Vancouver.) Passports confiscated, enquiries about political beliefs, et cetera.
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« Reply #46205 on: January 05, 2020, 08:15:49 PM »
I knew an Iranian-Canadian or two. Good guys.
Fucking Amerisharts.

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« Reply #46206 on: January 05, 2020, 08:32:36 PM »
sounds like fake news

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« Reply #46207 on: January 05, 2020, 08:48:34 PM »

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« Reply #46208 on: January 05, 2020, 09:53:27 PM »
I knew an Iranian-Canadian or two. Good guys.
Fucking Amerisharts.

Stay safe, Wrath.

I mean...I know he's not Iranian, but still...
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« Reply #46210 on: January 05, 2020, 10:38:50 PM »
Seeing Republicans defends this shit is making my head explode. It's just full of "look at Democrats defend Iran!!" Holy FUCK what is WRONG with conservatives?
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« Reply #46211 on: January 06, 2020, 12:38:49 AM »
that article brehs https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/05/opinion/amy-klobuchar-2020.html
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If you’re like a lot of Democrats, you worry that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are too liberal — or at least that other voters think so. You’re also not buying the Pete Buttigieg hype. And you get nervous every time Joe Biden opens his mouth.

So where are you supposed to find a comfortably electable, qualified candidate who won’t turn 80 while in office?

Senator Amy Klobuchar has become an answer to that question in the final month before voting begins. She has outlasted more than a dozen other candidates and has two big strengths: A savvy understanding of how to campaign against President Trump and a track record of winning the sorts of swing voters Democrats will likely need this year.
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Yet she still emerged as one of the debate’s winners, and she is enjoying a burst of new attention. She raised more than twice as much money, $11.4 million, in the fourth quarter of 2019 than the third quarter. When I ask top Democrats which candidate has the best chance of beating Trump, Klobuchar is often their answer. If party leaders still chose nominees, she might now be the favorite.

In that way, she reminds me of another Midwestern senator who once seemed too ordinary to be president: Harry Truman. In the summer of 1944, an even more perilous time for global democracy than now, Democratic Party grandees chose Truman as vice president with the belief that he would soon be president, given Franklin Roosevelt’s declining health.

Truman was (as Klobuchar is) a loyal Democrat with populist leanings whom many Republicans, both senators and voters, nonetheless felt some affection for. He had a folksy manner and heartland accent. He was also a long shot for the nomination when the process began. The analogy extends to Klobuchar’s best-known weakness: Truman had a temper, too.
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Her greatest strength is her understanding of how to beat Republicans. They like to portray Democrats as self-serious elites who look down on ordinary Americans. (Think about the caricatures of John Kerry, Al Gore and Michael Dukakis.) Klobuchar has built her political career on an image that combines working class and middle class.

She grew up in a family that struggled with alcoholism and divorce, and she talks about it. When her husband, John Bessler, was a child, he lived with his five brothers and parents in a trailer home. Klobuchar’s memoir is called, “The Senator Next Door.” She tells too many self-deprecating jokes to seem earnest. Some of them are even funny.

She is still a relative city slicker, having lived most of her life around the Twin Cities and attended Yale and the University of Chicago’s law school. But she knows how to persuade voters who are different from her that she respects them. She has learned the minutia of farm policy and rural development. She visits all of Minnesota’s 87 counties every year.

Klobuchar combines this persona with tough, clear explanations of how Republican policies will hurt the middle class: They will make prescription drugs more expensive, health insurance harder to get and climate destruction worse. If she’s elected, she promises to raise taxes on the rich, lift take-home pay for everyone else, take on big-business abuses and combat climate change.

In the 2018 midterms, as Klobuchar points out, Democrats focused on bread-and-butter issues while largely avoiding divisive ideas like Medicare for All.
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I am also struck by Klobuchar’s views about how to run against Trump this time — to talk about how he has let down the country (which gives his old supporters permission to switch sides), to use humor against his demagoguery and to appeal to voters’ emotions and patriotism.

On that last point, her primary campaign could benefit from her own advice: Klobuchar would improve her chances if she could find the grace notes that lift the best campaigns by telling a story about America.

I’m not saying that Democrats should necessarily vote for Klobuchar. Other candidates have strengths she doesn’t. Buttigieg, for example, summons those grace notes naturally.


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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| bombbombomb bombbomb Iran
« Reply #46213 on: January 06, 2020, 12:49:29 AM »


Let it fucking end.

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« Reply #46214 on: January 06, 2020, 12:59:52 AM »

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« Reply #46216 on: January 06, 2020, 06:53:23 AM »
Ok, so when did they screen The Irishman at The White House  :doge
https://twitter.com/janearraf/status/1213823941321592834
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| bombbombomb bombbomb Iran
« Reply #46217 on: January 06, 2020, 07:58:37 AM »
I didn't realize the symbolic meaning of threatening "52 targets" (still clinging on that ? Jesus...) and the diffuse ambiguity that some of the targets are important to "Iranian culture" which prompted international reminders that targeting cultural sites is a war crime.

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« Reply #46218 on: January 06, 2020, 09:01:44 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/health/christian-health-care-insurance.html

Perfect encapsulation of the American health care system: Just pray you don’t get sick.
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« Reply #46219 on: January 06, 2020, 09:08:02 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/health/christian-health-care-insurance.html

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His family did not have traditional health insurance. “We could not afford it,” said his father, Mark Collie

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Instead, they pay about $530 a month through a Christian health care sharing organization

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advises its members that “there is no coverage, no guarantee of payment.”

Cool, very cool.
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« Reply #46220 on: January 06, 2020, 09:20:11 AM »
I'm just waiting for the GOP to sell people a hat that says: "GREAT HEALTHCARE" and Trump to say: "See, we got you all covered!"
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« Reply #46221 on: January 06, 2020, 09:36:02 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/health/christian-health-care-insurance.html

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His family did not have traditional health insurance. “We could not afford it,” said his father, Mark Collie

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Instead, they pay about $530 a month through a Christian health care sharing organization

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advises its members that “there is no coverage, no guarantee of payment.”

Cool, very cool.

"We can't afford real insurance."

*wastes half a grand a month on fake insurance*

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« Reply #46222 on: January 06, 2020, 09:44:46 AM »
lol thinking $500 a month could cover a family with the ACA. That's maybe enough for one person.

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« Reply #46223 on: January 06, 2020, 09:47:37 AM »
lol thinking $500 a month could cover a family with the ACA. That's maybe enough for one person.

Maybe dude should get a real job to take care of his family instead of chasing an unprofitable photography dream.

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« Reply #46224 on: January 06, 2020, 09:49:00 AM »
cool, now what about the people who have "real jobs" that don't offer insurance?

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« Reply #46225 on: January 06, 2020, 09:49:28 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/health/christian-health-care-insurance.html

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His family did not have traditional health insurance. “We could not afford it,” said his father, Mark Collie

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Instead, they pay about $530 a month through a Christian health care sharing organization

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advises its members that “there is no coverage, no guarantee of payment.”

Cool, very cool.

"We can't afford real insurance."

*wastes half a grand a month on fake insurance*

:crazy

Tax payers picked up the tab anyway.
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« Reply #46226 on: January 06, 2020, 10:01:43 AM »
cool, now what about the people who have "real jobs" that don't offer insurance?

That was the point of my post -- he would pay for it with a profitable job.

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« Reply #46227 on: January 06, 2020, 10:03:17 AM »
Or health insurance prices could go down to a reasonable level so they could be afforded by everyone. That seems like a better solution than "get a real job even though not all real jobs offer insurance or cover insurance costs"

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« Reply #46228 on: January 06, 2020, 10:03:23 AM »
Just sounds like a basic scam.. "Give us $500 and you won't be fined $1500 by the government as you can use us to pretend you have insurance."

edit: Oh that fine was removed last year.. but honestly can't fathom why anyone would throw that money away.. maybe their state still has fines?

Because Fox News has poisoned the term "health insurance" so thoroughly that upstanding moral Christians can no longer partake in such a rigged, liberal, commie system. Only care from God and Church can save them. 🙏🏻

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« Reply #46229 on: January 06, 2020, 10:04:01 AM »
Or health insurance prices could go down to a reasonable level so they could be afforded by everyone. That seems like a better solution than "get a real job even though not all real jobs offer or cover insurance costs"

I don't believe this is about health insurance costs. This is about Christian grift and anti-Obamacare sentiment fermented by News Corp and the GOP.

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« Reply #46230 on: January 06, 2020, 10:04:40 AM »
Sounds like someone who doesn't have to buy insurance from the marketplace talking to me :doge

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« Reply #46231 on: January 06, 2020, 10:05:20 AM »
Sounds like someone who doesn't have to buy insurance from the marketplace talking to me :doge

Contractors don't get shit. :ufup

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« Reply #46232 on: January 06, 2020, 10:05:34 AM »
Maybe you should get a real job

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« Reply #46233 on: January 06, 2020, 10:06:17 AM »
Maybe you should get a real job

I don't have a kid with a brain aneurysm.

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« Reply #46234 on: January 06, 2020, 10:07:05 AM »
Just sounds like a basic scam.. "Give us $500 and you won't be fined $1500 by the government as you can use us to pretend you have insurance."

edit: Oh that fine was removed last year.. but honestly can't fathom why anyone would throw that money away.. maybe their state still has fines?

I'm not even sure it would work for that, even if the fine still existed, since they specifically say it's not actually health insurance. But there was probably some kind of weird provision for religious folks [wouldn't surprise me] that would allow the fine to be bypassed.

I mean, it's still a scam either way, though.
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« Reply #46235 on: January 06, 2020, 10:08:22 AM »
Nacho did you even read the NYT story or are you jumping to 10 REEEEE-style since I posited that a father should put his own dreams aside for the sake of his family?

That literally has nothing to do with you going off on a Bernie rant about the evils of healthcare.

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« Reply #46236 on: January 06, 2020, 10:08:37 AM »
I don't have a kid with a brain aneurysm.
Neither did he, until he did.

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« Reply #46237 on: January 06, 2020, 10:09:54 AM »
I don't have a kid with a brain aneurysm.
Neither did he, until he did.

He had a kid and family though. :confused

I'm really not sure what you're arguing here. The guy should have been free to pursue a masters in polisci while his family starved? That's essentially what you're arguing, and that's essentially what ended up happening.

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« Reply #46238 on: January 06, 2020, 10:10:09 AM »
Nacho did you even read the NYT story or are you jumping to 10 REEEEE-style since I posited that a father should put his own dreams aside for the sake of his family?

That literally has nothing to do with you going off on a Bernie rant about the evils of healthcare.
You were laughing at him for spending $500 for partial coverage from this company. I was pointing out that $500 a month would cover maybe one person under the current system, so laughing at this dude for not buying insurance for his whole family with that $500 is dumb. Then you got ranty about "real jobs" for some reason and ignored me pointing out that "real jobs" give no guarantee of giving insurance or being able to afford it.

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« Reply #46239 on: January 06, 2020, 10:11:31 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/health/christian-health-care-insurance.html

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His family did not have traditional health insurance. “We could not afford it,” said his father, Mark Collie

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Instead, they pay about $530 a month through a Christian health care sharing organization

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advises its members that “there is no coverage, no guarantee of payment.”

Cool, very cool.

"We can't afford real insurance."

*wastes half a grand a month on fake insurance*

:crazy
UBI when?

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« Reply #46240 on: January 06, 2020, 10:12:19 AM »
Then you got ranty about "real jobs" for some reason and ignored me pointing out that "real jobs" give no guarantee of giving insurance or being able to afford it.

Ahhh I see, I touched a nerve.

But again, that's not what the conversation was about at all.

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« Reply #46241 on: January 06, 2020, 10:14:45 AM »
These companies can find a way to get people to pay for partial coverage by being so much cheaper than proper insurance from the marketplace.

It's not, as you describe, evil fox propaganda getting these people to buy from these companies. It's not being able to pay for anything under the current system

e: and yes you touched a nerve cause we just paid $400 yesterday for my wife to have basic health coverage this month :-\
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« Reply #46242 on: January 06, 2020, 10:18:34 AM »
Stan for deadbeats brehs.

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« Reply #46243 on: January 06, 2020, 10:21:07 AM »
you're probably right, poor people deserve to die

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« Reply #46244 on: January 06, 2020, 10:26:26 AM »
Faith healing been a thing for centuries. Bring out the snakes and now we are talking..

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« Reply #46245 on: January 06, 2020, 10:30:22 AM »
Faith healing been a thing for centuries. Bring out the snakes and now we are talking..

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« Reply #46247 on: January 06, 2020, 10:53:24 AM »
you're probably right, poor people deserve to die

People who allow their wife and children to die through inaction should be called out for such. I have the same stance for antivaxers.

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« Reply #46248 on: January 06, 2020, 11:00:48 AM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-02/nine-states-face-economic-contraction-most-since-2009-crisis

This + Boston's housing market cooling off in the last six months or so, can I get in on shosta's recession bet?

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« Reply #46249 on: January 06, 2020, 11:01:15 AM »
you're probably right, poor people deserve to die

People who allow their wife and children to die through inaction should be called out for such. I have the same stance for antivaxers.

His kid didn't die. He just racked up a bunch of medical bills that he probably can't/won't ever pay back.
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« Reply #46250 on: January 06, 2020, 11:03:38 AM »
"People who allow to suffer harm" is more accurate but less catchy.

Antivaxers don't usually die either, they just fuck stuff up for everyone else.

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« Reply #46251 on: January 06, 2020, 11:31:50 AM »
People who allow their wife and children to die through inaction should be called out for such. I have the same stance for antivaxers.
except he did take action. is a cost-sharing plan as good as proper insurance? of course not, but it's more than nothing and in the range he could afford.

the solution to this is probably more in the way making healthcare cheaper, not telling people to get real jobs or die.

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« Reply #46252 on: January 06, 2020, 11:41:46 AM »
the solution to this is probably more in the way making healthcare cheaper, not telling people to get real jobs or die.


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« Reply #46253 on: January 06, 2020, 12:59:55 PM »
and somehow you pretend i'm the one not making sense ::)

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« Reply #46255 on: January 06, 2020, 01:03:54 PM »
North Carolina isn't a Medicaid expansion state. (Something that will likely persist as long as they don't have free and fair elections.) Given that the child at the beginning of the story eventually found his way onto Medicaid it's reasonable to assume that his family was one intended to be on Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act as it was designed to exist at passage.

Speaking of North Carolina's electoral process, Thomas Hofeller's daughter has finally made all his private electoral "strategy" information available to the public.

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« Reply #46256 on: January 06, 2020, 01:07:26 PM »
North Carolina isn't a Medicaid expansion state. (Something that will likely persist as long as they don't have free and fair elections.) Given that the child at the beginning of the story eventually found his way onto Medicaid it's reasonable to assume that his family was one intended to be on Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act as it was designed to exist at passage.

So Nacho's talking out of his ass? Color me surprised.

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« Reply #46257 on: January 06, 2020, 01:09:34 PM »
i love how offended you are at me pointing out that $500 a month isn't enough to cover a family's medical insurance costs. sorry for knowing things?

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« Reply #46258 on: January 06, 2020, 01:10:57 PM »
Beaten by Kara.

Also the kid qualifies for Medicaid almost certainly because of SCHIP so the real heroes in this story are... Hillary Clinton and Orrin Hatch.

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« Reply #46259 on: January 06, 2020, 01:14:29 PM »
i love how offended you are at me pointing out that $500 a month isn't enough to cover a family's medical insurance costs. sorry for knowing things?

:confused You're the one taking a joke line about getting a real job from 0 to 100 dude. Who hurt you?