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« Reply #47340 on: January 26, 2020, 01:46:33 AM »
Tim kaine was the worst vp nominee of the last 200 years.

At least Palin was interesting
Let’s be honest, there hasn’t been a strong VP pick by either side in over 20 years.  Biden included
I actually read an article last week regarding VPs analyzed as against their actual job since the founding and the author considered that only recently have we truly had "good VPs" and while I might quibble he named Bush, Gore, Cheney and Biden.

Until Jimmy Carter it was actually not considered custom to even brief the Vice President on anything. The VP would often leave town with Congress. (Which used to be in DC only a couple months out of the year.) Truman was rather infamously informed of the Manhattan Project after FDR died, along with all war planning and everything else.

Calvin Coolidge, under Warren G. Harding, was the first and until Carter had Mondale invited (and Reagan continued with Bush) only VP to ever sit in cabinet meetings.

VP picks weren't even chosen (and arguably still aren't really) with much focus on how they might ascend to the Presidency. When John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, Andrew Johnson, Chester Arthur and Theodore Roosevelt all rose to the presidency they came from different wings of the party (or even different parties!) and held policies and agendas completely against that of the President they were replacing. That's one reason that of them only Roosevelt was ever re-nominated (and he essentially had an entire term as McKinley died in 1901) let alone re-elected.

Even worse, nobody even considered replacing the VP until FDR died because the position was seen as so useless and unnecessary that the succession wasn't even thought of. That was why Andrew Johnson's impeachment was an attempt by the then next-in-line Benjamin Wade to take control of the Presidency. Something that wouldn't have happened with Nixon, Clinton and wouldn't with Trump as they all had VPs who could then add their own VPs. (As Ford did.)

Heck, even when Taylor, Garfield and McKinley were dying (and Wilson was incapacitated and FDR was borderline so) there was nothing to temporarily hand the powers to the VP like now is done when Presidents get a colonoscopy. It took until Reagan even after the empowerment of the President for one to finally set the precedent of handing over the powers temporarily. And that wasn't even when he was shot! (Since he couldn't, and which led to Alexander Haig's coup attempt.)

I've wandered off track but you totally expect this at this point. But anyway, VPs have never been all that important really, even as ticket balancers, especially after conventions stopped being relevant. And even these "strong VPs" that we have now might in some ways be worse than non-entities at times, for all the good things that an empowered one could do by taking on some of the executive load, you have had Bush with his hands in Iran-Contra, Gore with those fundraising crimes, Cheney with all his shit, that time Biden sneezed and embarrassed the country, etc.

In the context of pure politics, I think Palin is arguably one of the better picks in that McCain was doomed anyway and needed to fire up the GOP base to even have a chance. Had she managed to be simply normal in gaffes it would have been an excellent pick in political terms. I know that most everyone else on the planet disagrees with me.

edit: One other goofy thing I just randomly remembered. From 1828-1908, no Vice President was re-nominated, even when the President was.  (The Democrats did twice pick the same VP candidate an election apart but he lost one of the two times.)
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« Reply #47341 on: January 26, 2020, 01:59:46 AM »
These once used to the biggest two endorsements in the early states:
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/editorials/caucus/2020/01/26/elizabeth-warren-president-democrat-iowa-caucuses-des-moines-register-editorial-board-endorsement/4562157002/
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No wonder Iowa Democrats are unsettled.

Each of the remaining candidates campaigning across Iowa ahead of the caucuses could make a fine president. Each would be more inclusive and thoughtful than the current occupant of the White House. Each would treat truth as something that matters. Each would conduct foreign policy by coalition building rather than by whim and tweet.

The outstanding caliber of Democratic candidates makes it difficult to choose just one.

But ultimately Iowa caucusgoers need to do that. Who would make the best president at this point in the country’s history? At a time when the economic deck has become so stacked against working Americans that the gap between rich and poor is the highest in more than 50 years? At a time when a generation of war has stressed military families and sapped the treasury?

The Des Moines Register editorial board endorses Elizabeth Warren in the 2020 Iowa Democratic caucuses as the best leader for these times.

https://www.unionleader.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-amy-klobuchar-can-win/article_8df3186b-b37f-582a-a676-1307e63dc98c.html
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If you are a New Hampshire voter who thinks Donald Trump is doing a good job, you can probably sleep in on primary day, Feb. 11. Try as they might, his Republican challengers have not made a dent in the President’s popularity within the party here.

If you are an independent or Democrat, however, yours may be one of the most consequential votes ever cast in a New Hampshire Primary. If there is to be any realistic challenge to Trump in November, the Democratic nominee needs to have a proven and substantial record of accomplishment across party lines, an ability to unite rather than divide, and the strength and stamina to go toe-to-toe with the Tweeter-in-Chief.

That would be U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota. She is sharp and witty, with a commanding understanding of both history and the inner workings of Capitol Hill.

Trump doesn’t want to face her. He is hoping for Bernie, Biden, Buttigieg or Warren. Each has weaknesses, whether of age, inexperience or a far-left agenda that thrills some liberals but is ripe for exploitation in a mainstream general election.

Sen. Klobuchar has none of those weaknesses and the incumbent needs to be presented a challenger who is not easily dismissed. Her work in Washington has led to the passage of an impressive number of substantive bills, even as the partisan divide has deepened. In 2018 she won reelection, taking back dozens of conservative-leaning counties that had gone for Trump two years earlier, when Hillary Clinton barely beat him in Minnesota. In fact, Sen. Klobuchar, a former prosecutor, has never lost an election.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Hillary Clinton revanchists at it again
« Reply #47342 on: January 26, 2020, 02:01:55 AM »
Benji back to his roots

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« Reply #47343 on: January 26, 2020, 02:19:14 AM »
posting garbage?

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« Reply #47345 on: January 26, 2020, 02:36:15 AM »
This is Kristol's new organization that's behind it and his other ventures:
https://www.defendingdemocracytogether.org/
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« Reply #47346 on: January 26, 2020, 02:38:10 AM »
Rumor has it Pence has never been in a room alone with a woman his entire adult life. Not even to conceive his children.
When Mike Pence met Ronald Reagan he was afraid of Reagan getting too handsy and couldn't look him in the eye:

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« Reply #47347 on: January 26, 2020, 02:44:11 AM »
Why can't I find a picture of Mike Pence and Dennis Hastert? IIRC, Pence was one of his biggest defenders.

Another Clinton Media Cover Up!

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« Reply #47348 on: January 26, 2020, 02:52:17 AM »
are you suggesting that Mike Pence has never made eye contact with anyone? that's how much of a true conservative he is?

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« Reply #47349 on: January 26, 2020, 02:55:51 AM »
Where's Kara to advise us on creating a 501c4 when we need him.

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« Reply #47350 on: January 26, 2020, 02:57:26 AM »
That sounds nothing like me. Try harder, kid.
in banbot's absence, it is worth pointing out that an endorsement by a podcaster seemingly has more weight than the nyt's, to the point that redditors are claiming they'll vote for bernie to own the libs

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« Reply #47351 on: January 26, 2020, 03:52:47 AM »
poll dates are 1/21-1/23

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« Reply #47352 on: January 26, 2020, 03:57:27 AM »
Y'all talk about Pompeo's impromptu European geography lesson for Mary Louise Kelly yet? What a straight up asshole.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1220913184141455360

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« Reply #47353 on: January 26, 2020, 04:01:25 AM »
Y'all talk about Pompeo's impromptu European geography lesson for Mary Louise Kelly yet? What a straight up asshole.
https://www.state.gov/statement-by-secretary-michael-r-pompeo/
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NPR reporter Mary Louise Kelly lied to me, twice. First, last month, in setting up our interview and, then again yesterday, in agreeing to have our post-interview conversation off the record. It is shameful that this reporter chose to violate the basic rules of journalism and decency. This is another example of how unhinged the media has become in its quest to hurt President Trump and this Administration. It is no wonder that the American people distrust many in the media when they so consistently demonstrate their agenda and their absence of integrity.

It is worth noting that Bangladesh is NOT Ukraine.
I nominate the last line for new thread title.

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« Reply #47354 on: January 26, 2020, 04:04:35 AM »
Y'all talk about Pompeo's impromptu European geography lesson for Mary Louise Kelly yet? What a straight up asshole.
https://www.state.gov/statement-by-secretary-michael-r-pompeo/
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NPR reporter Mary Louise Kelly lied to me, twice. First, last month, in setting up our interview and, then again yesterday, in agreeing to have our post-interview conversation off the record. It is shameful that this reporter chose to violate the basic rules of journalism and decency. This is another example of how unhinged the media has become in its quest to hurt President Trump and this Administration. It is no wonder that the American people distrust many in the media when they so consistently demonstrate their agenda and their absence of integrity.

It is worth noting that Bangladesh is NOT Ukraine.

Was reading an article deconstructing the statement by Pompeo and how gaslighting that Kelly wrongly pointed to Bangladesh would be impossible for someone of her intelligence and college experience seeing as they're pretty much across the world fr eachother. He must have been seething as he fat fingered hammered out that response.
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« Reply #47355 on: January 26, 2020, 04:28:14 AM »
Y'all talk about Pompeo's impromptu European geography lesson for Mary Louise Kelly yet? What a straight up asshole.
https://www.state.gov/statement-by-secretary-michael-r-pompeo/
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NPR reporter Mary Louise Kelly lied to me, twice. First, last month, in setting up our interview and, then again yesterday, in agreeing to have our post-interview conversation off the record. It is shameful that this reporter chose to violate the basic rules of journalism and decency. This is another example of how unhinged the media has become in its quest to hurt President Trump and this Administration. It is no wonder that the American people distrust many in the media when they so consistently demonstrate their agenda and their absence of integrity.

It is worth noting that Bangladesh is NOT Ukraine.
I nominate the last line for new thread title.

Bangladesh IS Serbia :ufup

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« Reply #47356 on: January 26, 2020, 04:30:13 AM »
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« Reply #47357 on: January 26, 2020, 04:47:36 AM »
Bangladesh IS Serbia :ufup
Obviously, naming places that are Serbia is redundant, they're Serbia. That doesn't mean they're Ukraine. Those are lies that need to be corrected.

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« Reply #47358 on: January 26, 2020, 06:56:40 AM »
Pence only has one true love
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With that said. Trump could've picked a worse VP. Mike Pence seems mostly involved with NASA, space things, going to (international) meetings that interfere with Trump's golf schedule and of course religion.

With the Kushner history with Chris Christie the  shortlist was Mike Pence, Lt. of the Cyber Army Mike "Lock 'er up" Flynn or Newt Gingrich. :doge
Manafort put in quite a bit of work with the Trump kids to get Trump to like Pence so he wouldn't pick Gingrich.  :lol

Can you imagine Donald Trump and Newt 'Moonbase' Gingrich.

Trump wanted Rudy for Secretary of State or Attorney General. But Rudy didn't want either of those jobs citing his age and health reasons.
Oh and it was Ann Coulter of all people who told Trump he couldn't just assign all the top government positions to his children.  :lol
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« Reply #47359 on: January 26, 2020, 12:57:26 PM »
Ah, John Kerry. The first president I voted for and the first time I was ever disappointed by an election result.

I cried hard that night.

I really wanted Dean to win and was bewildered by his freak out. But at least Obama's speech at the DNC was amazing.

Ah, the days when I was a loyal literal card holding member in my pocket Democrat.

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« Reply #47360 on: January 26, 2020, 01:14:52 PM »
Dean scream wouldn't even register today. Hell, he'd of campaign and get donations because of it. "Oh, he's that passionate! etc, etc."

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« Reply #47361 on: January 26, 2020, 01:19:20 PM »
I was so confused by the sudden turn around on Dean after the scream because it was the first election I really paid attention to.

Now it wouldn't even make a blip. Crazy.

I also saw Fahrenheit 911 in theaters and was a Michael Moore fan. :doge
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« Reply #47362 on: January 26, 2020, 02:07:40 PM »
I was also a really enthusiastic Dean supporter.

Sometimes I chuckle imagining a world in which we spent all of 2005-2007 loudly and angrily proclaiming that Dean Would Have Won, telling Kerry to shut up and go away every time he said something, and digging up out-of-context Kerry quotes to present in the most unfavorable light possible and demanding, "IS THIS YOUR KING, NEOGAF?"

But, you know, instead we moved on like adults.

Well, when Kerry was up for SOS nomiation everyone wanted him to go away and the kerry he rode in on.

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« Reply #47363 on: January 26, 2020, 04:41:59 PM »
Dean scream wouldn't even register today. Hell, he'd of campaign and get donations because of it. "Oh, he's that passionate! etc, etc."
Oh it would register alright. But it would equally be defended.

Dean the Scream
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« Reply #47365 on: January 26, 2020, 05:41:36 PM »
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« Reply #47366 on: January 26, 2020, 05:43:54 PM »
Dean scream wouldn't even register today. Hell, he'd of campaign and get donations because of it. "Oh, he's that passionate! etc, etc."

I dunno, it's still not clear why it registered then. It's one of those things that arbitrarily hits a chord for some reason.
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« Reply #47367 on: January 26, 2020, 05:46:56 PM »
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« Reply #47368 on: January 26, 2020, 06:21:51 PM »
The Dean Scream didn't register then. It was the signal of his collapse being total not the start.

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« Reply #47369 on: January 26, 2020, 06:42:55 PM »
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« Reply #47370 on: January 26, 2020, 09:22:29 PM »


LOL at the comments.

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« Reply #47371 on: January 26, 2020, 09:50:46 PM »
The Dean Scream didn't register then. It was the signal of his collapse being total not the start.

I read some Howard Dean interview maybe 2 years ago, he seems like kind of a strange dude.

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« Reply #47372 on: January 26, 2020, 10:13:41 PM »
John Bolton's moustache inadvertently tickling the balls of justice
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« Reply #47373 on: January 26, 2020, 11:02:34 PM »
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/26/andrew-yang-new-hampshire-primary-debate-104901
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After failing to qualify for a debate in Iowa earlier this month, Yang has earned a spot at the next Democratic primary debate, in New Hampshire on Feb. 7.

Yang is the seventh candidate to qualify for the debate — which will be hosted by ABC News, WMUR-TV and Apple News — joining Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, Bernie Sanders, Tom Steyer and Elizabeth Warren, according to POLITICO’s tracking of public polling and donor data.
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« Reply #47374 on: January 26, 2020, 11:06:54 PM »
 :drudge BREAKING :drudge

(CNN)Bernie Sanders said in 1994 that he agreed the country needed "some more jails" and that it must be "tougher in certain instances" on crime.

The then-congressman from Vermont made the comments during a news conference in which he explained his support for the now-controversial 1994 crime bill. His remarks, video of which was obtained by CNN's KFile from CCTV-Center for Media & Democracy, a Vermont public access station, sheds light on Sanders' support of the now more controversial elements of the bill, and his reservations about other aspects.

Sanders more recently has described the bill as "terrible" and says he is sorry he voted for it, but his view at the time was that although the bill "isn't perfect," he viewed it as "a major step forward in controlling and preventing crime."

"If you look at the issue of prevention versus punishment, if you like, I would've put more effort on prevention," said Sanders in 1994.

"If you keep kids in school, if you get jobs for young people, in the long run, not only do you prevent crime, but you save the taxpayers substantial sums of money," Sanders said, "Would I rather invest in education and keeping kids in school and making college opportunity a realistic goal for millions of young people rather than necessarily building one more jail. Yeah. I think I would have gone the other way."

"On the other hand, do I think we need some more jails? Yup. Do I think we have to get tougher in certain instances? Yes, I do," Sanders said. "So what you have is a balance here. You have more money going to law enforcement, more money going into jails. You have, on the other hand, significant sums of money going into prevention, beginning to allow us to deal with violence against women, child abuse and other very serious problems," Sanders said.

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« Reply #47375 on: January 26, 2020, 11:09:46 PM »
A source tells the BSFile that Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders had an off-the-record conversation years ago in which Biden mentioned war crimes occurring in the Balkans and Bernie replied "Ha! Let a most Christian God sort 'em out."

After being told about it, The BenjiSalesFile has been able to confirm that, multiple sources indicated that they were aware of the conversation.

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« Reply #47376 on: January 26, 2020, 11:13:57 PM »
The only strange thing I recall about Dean was how he wanted all those Governor files sealed for centuries even though they were just random correspondence with constituents, etc.

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« Reply #47377 on: January 26, 2020, 11:17:48 PM »
The strange thing of the 2004 primary candidates (that we knew at the time anyway) were the Bob Graham diaries.

The Florida Senator has been filling notebook after notebook--close to four thousand of them to date, color coded by season. He has kept a running account of his every waking moment for the past 23 years--14 in the Senate, eight in the Governor's mansion, even his days in the state legislature. Graham writes down every meal, every meeting, every person he meets. No item is too small. "I would rather have more detail than less," Graham told TIME. On the September day in 1994 his daughter Cissy gave birth to a son, his notebook read:

8:25: Awaken at MLTH (Miami Lakes Town House)

8:45-9:35: Kitchen, family room. Eat breakfast, branola cereal with peach

9:35-9:40: Complete dressing. Watch Meet the Press

9:25-9:50: Drive to ABC studio

9:50-11:00: Makeup and prepare for interview

11:00-11:20: Taped interview with Bob Zelnick for ABC Sunday News

11:35-11:40: Talk with security

11:40-12:05: Drive to MLTH. Discuss Nicaragua

12:05-12:20: MLTH bedroom, bathroom, change to red shorts

12:20-1:20: MLTH kitchen, family room. Eat lunch (tuna salad). Watch Ace Ventura

12:50: Cissy thinks she's going into labor

1:15: Cissy preparing to leave for Baptist Hospital

1:20-1:30: MLTH. Bedroom, bathroom. Dress in blue slacks

1:30-1:45: Rewind Ace Ventura

2:00: Adele ready to go. Drive to Baptist Hospital

2:15: Stop at [video store] to return Ace Ventura

6:00-7:05: Cissy in examining room, delivery room, watch ABC News. Cissy commences preparation for labor

7:05-8:40: Drive to Bennigan's Restaurant with Adele. Listen to New England Patriots-Miami Dolphins (39-35)

7:20-8:25: Bennigan's. Eat supper (ham and cheese sandwich). Return to hospital

9:05-9:10: Waiting room. Read NYT, mingle

11:00-12:45: Waiting room. Watch CNN, CBS News

12:44: It's a boy!

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« Reply #47378 on: January 27, 2020, 12:32:26 AM »
Be kind, rewind.

I don't think Deval has ever polled above 0
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« Reply #47379 on: January 27, 2020, 12:34:21 AM »
Doesn't more jails mean less overcrowding?

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« Reply #47380 on: January 27, 2020, 12:42:11 AM »
I don't think Deval has ever polled above 0
Are you allowing for polls before he actually entered the race?

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« Reply #47381 on: January 27, 2020, 03:35:24 AM »
Unused beds induces demand for more/longer sentences. The US doesn't need more jails, what it needs is less prisoners.
Listen to your queen and lock up all the superpredators.  :bowsette
Kanye and Trump are just tricking you into advocating the early release of his campaign staff  :rollsafe
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« Reply #47384 on: January 27, 2020, 08:40:19 AM »
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« Reply #47385 on: January 27, 2020, 10:15:51 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/opinion/john-roberts-impeachment-witnesses.html

"An overwhelming number of Americans, including a majority of Republicans, believe the Senate should hear from relevant witnesses and obtain documents during President Trump’s impeachment trial. Striking new revelations about the president’s role in the Ukraine affair, as reported from an unpublished manuscript by John Bolton, underscore the need for his testimony and that of others.
Yet Republican members of the Senate have signaled that they intend to uphold Mr. Trump’s unprecedented decision to block all of this material.
But turns out they don’t get to make that choice — Chief Justice John Roberts does.
This isn’t a matter of Democrats needing four “moderate” Republicans to vote for subpoenas and witnesses, as the Trump lawyers have been claiming. Rather, the impeachment rules, like all trial systems, put a large thumb on the scale of issuing subpoenas and place that power within the authority of the judge, in this case the chief justice.

Most critically, it would take a two-thirds vote — not a majority — of the Senate to overrule that. This week, Democrats can and should ask the chief justice to issue subpoenas on his authority so that key witnesses of relevance like John Bolton and Mick Mulvaney appear in the Senate, and the Senate should subpoena all relevant documents as well.
The Senate rules for impeachment date back to 1868 and have been in effect since that time. They specifically provide for the subpoenas of witnesses, going so far in Rule XXIV as to outline the specific language a subpoena must use — the “form of subpoena to be issued on the application of the managers of the impeachment, or of the party impeached, or of his counsel.”
As you can see, there is no “Senate vote” requirement whatsoever in the subpoena rule. A manager can seek it on his own.
The rules further empower the chief justice to enforce the subpoena rule. Rule V says: “The presiding officer shall have power to make and issue, by himself or by the Secretary of the Senate, all orders, mandates, writs, and precepts authorized by these rules, or by the Senate, and to make and enforce such other regulations and orders in the premises as the Senate may authorize or provide.” The presiding officer, under our Constitution, is the chief justice. As such, the chief justice, as presiding officer, has the “power to make and issue, by himself,” subpoenas.
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Interesting.
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« Reply #47386 on: January 27, 2020, 10:20:54 AM »
https://twitter.com/ebruenig/status/1221811941393555462

"Bernie actually has supporters, who wants a candidate like that?"
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« Reply #47387 on: January 27, 2020, 10:38:35 AM »
So, what do you think, is Roberts going to refuse to call witnesses, knowing this act would signal the end of the rule of law?
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« Reply #47388 on: January 27, 2020, 10:39:51 AM »
one week till iowa

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Wait is this real
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« Reply #47389 on: January 27, 2020, 10:54:36 AM »
'They let him get away with murder': Dems tormented over how to stop Bernie
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/27/democrats-bernie-sanders-rise-105825
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“The Republican money people were laughing at Trump when he came down the escalator and they kept laughing at him for way too long, until ‘holy crap’ he’s winning primaries,” Matt Bennett, co-founder of Third Way told POLITICO. Bennett said he’s attempted for weeks to find an organized effort to combat Sanders’ rise, so far, to no avail. “What I fear is one will emerge too late, as what happened with Trump.”

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“Swing states have a higher concentration of swing voters. We need a nominee who draws them to the Democratic column,” said Rahm Emanuel, the former Chicago mayor and chief of staff to Obama. “Sanders’ theory, like Trump’s for the right, is based on the notion of a higher turnout of infrequent voters.”

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Bennett blamed the media for not holding Sanders to the same standard as Warren.

“They let him get away with murder,” he said. “They let him bluster past hard questions.”

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“He’s in a position to win Iowa and New Hampshire at this point,” said Ben LaBolt, Obama’s former national press secretary. “Now’s the moment. We’re a week out from Iowa. It might be too late for some states already. But it’s not too late for the nomination.”

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Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller, who recently shifted his support from Steve Bullock to Biden, argued that Sanders would harm down-ballot Democrats in battleground districts. Miller pointed to Sanders’ support for Medicare for All and universal free college as issues that could damage other Democrats on the ballot.

“I think there's a concern among some, and I think it's fairly widespread,” he said, “that if Bernie is the nominee he may well lose and take other Democrats down with him.”

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« Reply #47390 on: January 27, 2020, 11:00:24 AM »
The entire Obama administration is a dumpster fire.

Someone shout 2010 over and over again at them until they just go away
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« Reply #47391 on: January 27, 2020, 11:05:51 AM »
hoes mad
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« Reply #47392 on: January 27, 2020, 11:31:01 AM »
https://twitter.com/ebruenig/status/1221811941393555462

"Bernie actually has supporters, who wants a candidate like that?"

You know this is why it was dumb of NYT to endorse a candidate(s). It makes the hit-pieces they run that much more transparent.

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« Reply #47393 on: January 27, 2020, 11:43:29 AM »
Sanders has millions of enthusiastic supporters. Some of those supporters are going to be assholes.  :trumps


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« Reply #47394 on: January 27, 2020, 11:59:14 AM »
"Is There A Christian Way To Be Gay?" is definitely one of the more... something essays I've read in the last few years.

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« Reply #47395 on: January 27, 2020, 12:01:55 PM »
Small brain: Russia created the corona virus to fuck over Chinas economy

Big brain: CIA created the corona virus to protect Trump by distracting from the impeachment trial

Galaxy brain: Bernie created the corona virus to strengthen his argument for single payer healthcare
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« Reply #47396 on: January 27, 2020, 12:32:14 PM »

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Former South Bend, Ind., mayor Pete Buttigieg is the youngest Democratic presidential candidate; Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the oldest (roughly double Buttigieg’s age). Buttigieg consistently demonstrates a mature understanding of how one unites a party and builds a winning general-election coalition. Sanders seems clueless.

Appearing at a Fox News town hall on Sunday, Buttigieg told the audience that “we can send a message to people who are telling us that we have to choose between our head and our heart, that we have to choose between what it takes to govern and what it takes to win, or that we have to choose between unity and boldness in this country." While he has defended himself against attacks from Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and against the argument that he lacks age and maturity, Buttigieg has rarely gone negative on any opponent. That is extraordinary in a primary as close and competitive as this one. He understands at the end of the process, the bare minimum he must do is unite the party before turning to every persuadable voter.

The polar opposite of this is Sanders and his fleet of Bernie Bros who slash and burn, attack and smear other Democrats. The New York Times reports on Sanders’s swarm of online supporters, who have waged vicious and personal attacks on his critics, often focusing on feminist women. “Some progressive activists who declined to back Mr. Sanders have begun traveling with private security after incurring online harassment. Several well-known feminist writers said they had received death threats,” the Times explains. “A state party chairwoman changed her phone number. A Portland lawyer saw her business rating tumble on an online review site after tussling with Sanders supporters on Twitter.”
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Sanders’s own behavior sets the tone and belies the notion that he is not responsible for the most divisive campaign in the primary. His team’s baseless claim (for which he had to apologize) that former vice president Joe Biden is corrupt was positively Trumpian. The out-of-context clip that Sanders distributed on social media falsely suggesting Biden favored Social Security cuts was slapped down by fact-checkers, but Sanders continued to insist that Biden supported cuts.

Sanders’s holier-than-thou ethos often manifests itself in refusal to answer ordinary, utterly appropriate questions. When asked how much his extravagant plans cost, he insisted, “You don’t know, nobody knows, this is impossible.” The Trump camp must be licking its chops, waiting for a candidate who thinks it is beneath him to answer such essential queries.

Sanders’s campaign, like all primary campaigns, is a preview of the general-election race and, if elected, the administration he would lead. A nominee who insists on personally attacking all doubters and the media might be a model for the Republican Party, but Democrats are not going to win with their own Donald Trump, especially one who has burned bridges and stirred resentment in his own party.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/bernie-sanders-internet-supporters-2020.html
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Some progressive activists who declined to back Mr. Sanders have begun traveling with private security after incurring online harassment. Several well-known feminist writers said they had received death threats. A state party chairwoman changed her phone number. A Portland lawyer saw her business rating tumble on an online review site after tussling with Sanders supporters on Twitter.

Other notable targets have included Ady Barkan, a prominent liberal activist with A.L.S. — whom some Sanders-cheering accounts accused of lacking decision-making faculties due to his illness as he prepared to endorse Senator Elizabeth Warren — and Fred Guttenberg, the father of a shooting victim from the 2018 Parkland massacre, who had criticized Mr. Sanders’s statements about gun violence.

“Politics is a contact sport,” said Bakari Sellers, a former South Carolina State legislator who supported Ms. Harris in the Democratic primary. “But you have to be very cognizant when you say anything critical of Bernie online. You might have to put your phone down. There’s going to be a blowback, and it could be sexist, racist and vile.”

In recent days, he said, one man sent a profanity-filled private message on Instagram, calling Mr. Sellers, who is black, an “Uncle Tom” and wishing him brain cancer.

When Mr. Sanders’s supporters swarm someone online, they often find multiple access points to that person’s life, compiling what can amount to investigative dossiers. They will attack all public social media accounts, posting personal insults that might flow in by the hundreds. Some of the missives are direct threats of violence, which can be reported to Twitter or Facebook and taken down.

More commonly, there is a barrage of jabs and threats sometimes framed as jokes. If the target is a woman, and it often is, these insults can veer toward her physical appearance.

For some perceived Sanders critics, there has been mail sent to home addresses — or the home addresses of relatives. The contents were unremarkable: news articles about the political perils of centrism. The message seemed clear: We know where you live.
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That is precisely what some Democrats fear. As the 2016 primary grew increasingly fractious, Mr. Sanders’s campaign found a drawback to such fervor: the online bullying among some supporters.

Sady Doyle, a progressive feminist author and Sanders critic who has been the subject of his followers’ ire, recalled one message she received from a stranger: “If you ever have a child, I’m going to dash it on the walls of Troy.” She said her husband asked her not to attend protests alone while pregnant.

Maya Contreras, a graduate student and co-founder of a feminist think tank who has criticized Mr. Sanders on Twitter, recalled a deluge in the lead-up to the 2016 election. “I got messages saying ‘go back to where you came from’ — which is Denver, Colorado, where I was born,” she said.

“Someone tweeted and said ‘You better watch where you’re going or something’s going to happen to you,’” Ms. Contreras added. “I also got ‘die bitch.’”
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A May 2016 fight over delegates in Nevada included reports of thrown chairs, which some Sanders supporters dispute, and threats against the state party chairwoman, Roberta Lange, who changed her phone number after receiving a torrent of menacing messages about her, her grandchild and other relatives.

Former Senator Barbara Boxer of California, a Clinton supporter who had been at the Nevada convention, said she worried for her safety after being booed offstage.
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« Reply #47397 on: January 27, 2020, 12:37:16 PM »
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The polar opposite of this is Sanders and his fleet of Bernie Bros who slash and burn, attack and smear other Democrats.

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« Reply #47398 on: January 27, 2020, 12:38:08 PM »
Lmao

Trump like

Where is Bernie calling for Mexicans to be deported? Where is the racism?

Nothing he is proposing is radical. Much of it is already available in Canada and fucking Mexico.

This is embarrassing. :sabu
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« Reply #47399 on: January 27, 2020, 12:39:48 PM »
Is NYT going to issue an apology to subscribers when Bernie wins like they did with Trump? :sabu
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