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[TVC15]

I could live with Diamond Joe.

[Mandark]

It's tough to say but my candidate may not be viable. We will have to see how he performs against Biden in the rust belt. If he loses those I see him bowing out graciously.

Not hard is it, Warren stans?

good point no bernie stans will be making any excuses

[benjipwns]

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1235083828927979520

I just wanted to post these Amy emotes. 

wow this is such a shocking statistic

/s

[Mandark]

Epic accounts like the Horsewhisperer have also been going overtime on Twitter, don't even follow that trash account but the Twitter algorithm has been pushing him onto my feed.

You gotta keep that shit on Latest Tweets, man.

[Tripon]

Those Warren articles were written after she tanked hard in both Iowa and New Hampshire. I could almost excuse Iowa because you never really know what those guys want other than be wined and dined and pretend they're special. New Hampshire? She's from a neighboring state and she should know the retail politics to get people to vote for her.

Sometimes people aren't into you. If you think it's sexism, that's fine I guess. It could also be that progressives understand on a whole that they're still a small part of the party (when they even want to participate) and quickly picked around their preferred candidate in Bernie Sanders instead of deciding late.

[Himu]

It's tough to say but my candidate may not be viable. We will have to see how he performs against Biden in the rust belt. If he loses those I see him bowing out graciously.

Not hard is it, Warren stans?

good point no bernie stans will be making any excuses

Oh, I'm sure many will.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

You know, I think Biden really wanted to run a Sanders-esque campaign where he doesn't have to rely on friends and favors from outside money, and finally realized it wasn't going to happen and just reverted to old school politics.

Was Biden getting some key endorsements worse than when Sanders got the entire Squad to endorse him right after the heart attack? If so, why?

Huh? How are they comparable? 


A few freshman reps vs political industry

[benjipwns]

New Hampshire? She's from a neighboring state and she should know the retail politics to get people to vote for her.

They also don't like it being assumed that they'll vote for Massachusetts politicians just because it's nearby and all reporters know about from the area. Sometimes they'll vote for neighbors (John Kerry, Howard Dean, Paul Tsongas) and sometimes they won't (Scott Brown, Mitt Romney, Elizabeth Warren) depending on other factors.

[benjipwns]

The % of precincts reporting from Texas went backwards from 73% to 69%, what is this some kind of sexist joke Texas? How dare you!

[Himu]

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Imagine being this hurt, you mentally deficient cornball. Please kill yourself and stop being so tied to your forum identity as an absolute bottom feeding clown.

You went to jail? What happened dude? You okay man?

[benjipwns]

Soon after Pete Buttigieg endorsed Joe Biden for president on Monday night, top Biden advisers Greg Schultz and Sheila Nix were on the phone with about 40 Buttigieg bundlers asking them to join the team, too.

The call, arranged within hours of Buttigieg’s departure of the race, was aimed at recruiting Buttigieg’s most passionate fundraisers looking for their next act in the presidential race. And it’s part of a bigger behind-the-scenes push, running in parallel to the string of prominent public endorsements flowing Biden’s way, urging Democrats that now is the time to unite behind the former vice president.

In addition to further coalescing supporters of the other moderate candidates in the 2020 race, the Biden campaign needs the donors’ cash to air more ads, hire more staff and compete with Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Mike Bloomberg in upcoming primary states. Biden reaped an explosion of cash after winning the South Carolina primary on Saturday, but before that, neither Biden nor his super PAC booked any advertising in Super Tuesday states until late last week, while some of his rivals had been airing ads for over a month.

Buttigieg released the names of his bundlers last December, and Biden staffers are reaching out to donors one-by-one off of that list, according to one former Buttigieg donor. And in turn, some Buttigieg donors are already actively participating in the recruitment effort: Alex Slater, a Buttigieg bundler turned Biden backer, emailed other Buttigieg donors Tuesday morning asking them to put aside the pain of Buttigieg’s dropout and join up.

“I respect that — it’s barely 24 hours since Pete conceded, and each candidate has legitimate merits. Also, who wants to be proven wrong twice? These are very legitimate positions,” Slater wrote in the email, which POLITICO obtained. “But listening to many of you I have personally come to the belief that the political moment deserves action and conviction. That’s why I’m firmly following Pete’s lead in endorsing Vice President Joe Biden, joining to support his campaign and asking you to consider doing the same.”

“Although the vice president wasn't our first choice, he represents the kind of politics that Pete represents,” said John Atkinson, a Democratic bundler who supported Buttigieg. Atkinson and Mark Ishaug, another Buttigieg donor, hosted Monday night's call between the Biden advisers and the Buttigieg bundlers, which was organized by Nix and Becky Carroll, a member of Buttigieg's policy team.

Atkinson is now backing Biden, he said. Other prominent Buttigieg fundraisers who are now supporting Biden include former ambassador to Switzerland Suzan LeVine and her husband, Eric; hedge fund manager Orin Kramer, an early supporter of Obama; and event planner Bryan Rafanelli, who planned events for the Obama White House.

"I don’t believe we can win with Bernie. So now we need to step in the ring with Joe, and go," said Rafanelli, who added he had already gotten requests for a pro-Biden event in Boston. "The burden is now on the Biden campaign to swiftly organize all of us and thank us and pull us in."

"For Pete donors, there are three levels of thinking right now,” said one Buttigieg bundler who called himself “Biden-curious.” “One, a full-throated support for Biden now, joining his national finance committee; two, supporting Biden, but not bundle for him because you're exhausted; or three, I need a minute to mourn.”

Charles Adams Jr., a fundraiser for Buttigieg’s campaign who lives in Geneva, said he was “slightly taken aback” to wake up on Monday to an email from a former Buttigieg fundraiser who had already switched her allegiance to Biden, and was sharing information on how to donate.

“I thought it would be appropriate to give it a few days” before supporting another candidate, Adams said.

[Transhuman]

Can you stop fucking derailing plz?

This isn't resetera bud.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

You know, I think Biden really wanted to run a Sanders-esque campaign where he doesn't have to rely on friends and favors from outside money, and finally realized it wasn't going to happen and just reverted to old school politics.

Was Biden getting some key endorsements worse than when Sanders got the entire Squad to endorse him right after the heart attack? If so, why?

Huh? How are they comparable? 


A few freshman senators vs political industry

The Squad are all members of the House, not the Senate.

Shosh keeps insisting that you're a policy wonk, and then you do shit like this.

oh no a typo.

[benjipwns]

Cindi, as an example of what I was talking about regarding the delegates and how close Biden/Sanders still are in Texas, POLITICO has of the delegates so far out of it at:
Biden - 49
Sanders - 49
Bloomberg - 4

Massachusetts is 34 Biden, 26 Sanders, 17 Warren.

The Biden haul is coming from OK, AK, TN, AL, NC, and VA. Any minor Biden leads in TX and MA are cancelled out by Bernie's leads in VT and CO. The hope for Bernie is that California is such that it erases more of that Southern bulge. Minnesota is definitely a bad one though, Amy had mostly kept candidates away from it so it was her vs. Sanders and then she made it a Biden state overnight.

[OnlyRegret]

https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1235060426599092224

She still hasn't won a state.

Why the fuck are Warren supporters jacking themselves off with sexism arguments? It's the same shit that happened with Hillary. I cannot fucking GODDAMN wait for a woman to become president for people to finally fucking stop blaming sexism for that candidates failures. God DAMN.

To some people it's all aesthetics, any criticisms about Harris's prosecution record and Buttigieg's well, lots of things, were irrelevant compared to the look.
Same crowd of people that unironically celebrate more female execs in the mili-indus complex. Or long for the nostalgia of the Obama days where everything was peachy.

[OnlyRegret]

Can you stop fucking derailing plz?

lmfao

You’re such a fucking bitch, dude. Imagine being so triggered that you have to PM and get personal because of shit i posted in here. You’re so fucking spineless and can’t actually converse with someone. Like I said, kill yourself.

Just ignore the forum heel.

[Tuckers Law]

Your couples spat is worse than any Nintex post in here.

[Mandark]

https://www.businessinsider.com/california-25-congressional-district-special-election-live-results-vote-counts-2020-3

[benjipwns]

https://www.businessinsider.com/california-25-congressional-district-special-election-live-results-vote-counts-2020-3

"Vote for the Lackey!"

/dadjoke

[Transhuman]

Warren is a snake for not dropping out and endorsing, but Pete and Amy are snakes for doing that? Endorsements from junior House reps don't matter? What's the guiding principle here?

It's almost as if 100% of your process arguments are just motivated reasoning.

You should have just said that instead of sending bitter pm's

[Tripon]

Soon after Pete Buttigieg endorsed Joe Biden for president on Monday night, top Biden advisers Greg Schultz and Sheila Nix were on the phone with about 40 Buttigieg bundlers asking them to join the team, too.

The call, arranged within hours of Buttigieg’s departure of the race, was aimed at recruiting Buttigieg’s most passionate fundraisers looking for their next act in the presidential race. And it’s part of a bigger behind-the-scenes push, running in parallel to the string of prominent public endorsements flowing Biden’s way, urging Democrats that now is the time to unite behind the former vice president.

In addition to further coalescing supporters of the other moderate candidates in the 2020 race, the Biden campaign needs the donors’ cash to air more ads, hire more staff and compete with Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Mike Bloomberg in upcoming primary states. Biden reaped an explosion of cash after winning the South Carolina primary on Saturday, but before that, neither Biden nor his super PAC booked any advertising in Super Tuesday states until late last week, while some of his rivals had been airing ads for over a month.

Buttigieg released the names of his bundlers last December, and Biden staffers are reaching out to donors one-by-one off of that list, according to one former Buttigieg donor. And in turn, some Buttigieg donors are already actively participating in the recruitment effort: Alex Slater, a Buttigieg bundler turned Biden backer, emailed other Buttigieg donors Tuesday morning asking them to put aside the pain of Buttigieg’s dropout and join up.

“I respect that — it’s barely 24 hours since Pete conceded, and each candidate has legitimate merits. Also, who wants to be proven wrong twice? These are very legitimate positions,” Slater wrote in the email, which POLITICO obtained. “But listening to many of you I have personally come to the belief that the political moment deserves action and conviction. That’s why I’m firmly following Pete’s lead in endorsing Vice President Joe Biden, joining to support his campaign and asking you to consider doing the same.”

“Although the vice president wasn't our first choice, he represents the kind of politics that Pete represents,” said John Atkinson, a Democratic bundler who supported Buttigieg. Atkinson and Mark Ishaug, another Buttigieg donor, hosted Monday night's call between the Biden advisers and the Buttigieg bundlers, which was organized by Nix and Becky Carroll, a member of Buttigieg's policy team.

Atkinson is now backing Biden, he said. Other prominent Buttigieg fundraisers who are now supporting Biden include former ambassador to Switzerland Suzan LeVine and her husband, Eric; hedge fund manager Orin Kramer, an early supporter of Obama; and event planner Bryan Rafanelli, who planned events for the Obama White House.

"I don’t believe we can win with Bernie. So now we need to step in the ring with Joe, and go," said Rafanelli, who added he had already gotten requests for a pro-Biden event in Boston. "The burden is now on the Biden campaign to swiftly organize all of us and thank us and pull us in."

"For Pete donors, there are three levels of thinking right now,” said one Buttigieg bundler who called himself “Biden-curious.” “One, a full-throated support for Biden now, joining his national finance committee; two, supporting Biden, but not bundle for him because you're exhausted; or three, I need a minute to mourn.”

Charles Adams Jr., a fundraiser for Buttigieg’s campaign who lives in Geneva, said he was “slightly taken aback” to wake up on Monday to an email from a former Buttigieg fundraiser who had already switched her allegiance to Biden, and was sharing information on how to donate.

“I thought it would be appropriate to give it a few days” before supporting another candidate, Adams said.

What Pete phase are we on right now? Phase 4, phase 5?

[benjipwns]

Cenk is doing even worse in the regular primary. But not as bad as:

George Papadopoulos (R)   1,297   2.35%

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

https://www.businessinsider.com/california-25-congressional-district-special-election-live-results-vote-counts-2020-3

Roy Moore lost too

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/sessions-likely-headed-runoff-alabama-gop-senate-race-roy-moore-n1148956

[team filler]

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Imagine being this hurt, you mentally deficient cornball. Please kill yourself and stop being so tied to your forum identity as an absolute bottom feeding clown.

mandark has glen's password now? 

[benjipwns]

edit: fixed it

[Cauliflower Of Love]

"Tonight really defied what was expected."


Biden edging out sanders by less than 100 delegates?

[Himu]

Shosta:

[benjipwns]

Well, I mean, I expected more candidates to have stayed in until tonight instead of there only being five candidates left from the ~50 who ran. Including people who finished above expectations in Iowa/NH.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

These margins don't merit the elation I'm hearing.

Warren really screwed Bernie in the neighbor states.

[benjipwns]

lol if Bloomberg drops out after spending half a billion and being in third place in delegates and almost 20% in the polls because he's so afraid of Sanders instead of just letting it ride

[Himu]

"Tonight really defied what was expected."


Biden edging out sanders by less than 100 delegates?

wtf are you talking about man, Bernie was projected to win, what, 12 of tonight's states with multiple via sizable leads? The only states that came through for Bernie that was as predicted were Vermont (his home state) and California. This is a massive L for Sanders' campaign.

[benjipwns]

wtf are you talking about man, Bernie was projected to win, what, 12 of tonight's states by sizable leads? The only states that came through for Bernie that was as predicted were Vermont and California. This is a massive L for Sanders' campaign.

Maybe a week ago, but the newest polls showed this split:


Data for Progress was the only one to poll SOLELY after South Carolina

[Himu]

wtf are you talking about man, Bernie was projected to win, what, 12 of tonight's states by sizable leads? The only states that came through for Bernie that was as predicted were Vermont and California. This is a massive L for Sanders' campaign.

Maybe a week ago, but the newest polls showed this split:
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I guess I wasn't caught up on the latest then. But even just a few days ago the polling presented differently to my memory?

[benjipwns]

Most states hadn't even been polled in months. Texas and California was getting most of the polling action, some Massachusetts and North Carolina. People were projecting based on there being two more candidates in the race, one of whom seemed guaranteed to win their own state.

This is why 538's model suddenly put Biden ahead, everyone freaked out on Nate but he was yet again using the only data supplied.

[Mandark]

wtf are you talking about man, Bernie was projected to win, what, 12 of tonight's states by sizable leads? The only states that came through for Bernie that was as predicted were Vermont and California. This is a massive L for Sanders' campaign.

Maybe a week ago, but the newest polls showed this split:
https://i.imgur.com/GGkZb7z.png

looking at those numbers and the results, ruling in favor of cindi on this one

[Himu]

Going forward Bernie is lucky they're about tied in terms of delegates. But also, unfortunately for Bernie, less informed voters will be like,"Biden won all these states! He's winning! I'll go with him!" The media will very much go with a Biden winning narrative which will solidify it.

I gotta be honest. Bernie's honest shot going forward is the rust belt and hopefully the PNW.

[benjipwns]

looking at those numbers and the results, ruling in favor of cindi on this one

How? It's not two competing narratives. I agree that pundits in the Berniesphere were projecting one thing but they were doing so off nothing, there weren't even polls for a lot of these states, let alone polls factoring in SC and the drop-outs. Biden was rising and Bernie had halted in the national polls despite the other candidates still being in them. Then 15% of the vote dropped out in favor of him.

[Mandark]

filing for appeal rejected, ruling stands

[benjipwns]

filing for appeal rejected, ruling stands

[benjipwns]

While I'm looking at 538's model, I think it's definitely going to say Biden's on track to win a majority of delegates at some point in the next couple days. Even with the correction for the new polling, it underprojected a lot of these states by thinking Warren/Bloomberg was going to do much much better.

[Himu]

This race should be over by end of March.

How many delegates are up for grabs in March alone?

[benjipwns]

2,448

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Primary_and_caucus_calendar

It'll probably need April 28th to effectively end it, there's 663 on that day.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

"Tonight really defied what was expected."


Biden edging out sanders by less than 100 delegates?

wtf are you talking about man, Bernie was projected to win, what, 12 of tonight's states with multiple via sizable leads? The only states that came through for Bernie that was as predicted were Vermont (his home state) and California. This is a massive L for Sanders' campaign.

I'm talking about a longer view of the primary, not just the week leading up to super tuesday. Biden had always been expected to take all those states, with higher margins actually.


As an aside the story they are trying to paint that the Biden campaign has no access to resources is hilarious.

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Delegate count closing from cali, still only 40% of the vote. 30 to 21 to 16  Bernie/Biden/Bloomberg      Hopefully bloomberg falls under 15 soon.

[benjipwns]

No, no, he has to stay viable in California or he'll drop out!

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1235043280846381058

Trump curbstomping Mini Mike 

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/neeratanden/status/1235047130663878657

 

[benjipwns]

Found what actually swayed the voters, not the endorsements:

https://twitter.com/gregolear/status/1234895427792777216

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/1234812873345511430

https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/1234594585374068738

https://twitter.com/guitarviator/status/1234598315892838400

[close]

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Spoiler Alert: Sanders won California

[benjipwns]

TWITTER BEEF:
https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1235108049032851457

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1235043280846381058

Trump curbstomping Mini Mike 

Trump's trolling has largely gone to shit since he won the GOP nomination, but this is up there with his best. On par with calling Jeb a low energy guy, or telling Rand Paul he was having a tough night.

He said recently he kept his best material back for the GE because he clobbered Pochahontas too soon.

This trolling also might have the added effect of Bloomberg not dropping out because he doesn't want to lose to Trump.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1235087629541969920

[Mandark]

He said recently he kept his best material back for the GE

yeah trump's probably telling the truth and also showing restraint, things he is famous for

[benjipwns]

[benjipwns]

He said recently he kept his best material back for the GE because he clobbered Pochahontas too soon.

People, especially on the right, have been referring to Warren as "Pocahontas" for years now, Trump didn't come up with that.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/edlavaCNN/status/1235107988798488583

oof

[Cauliflower Of Love]

That's crazy.

[team filler]

THEBORE.COM IS RIGGED GODAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[benjipwns]

The Democratic Oracle declares it over:

JAMES CARVILLE: I think we're going to see some obviously Bloomberg and Warren are not long for this world. I think what we might be starting to see, I'd like someone on the panel to weigh in on this, we might see Democrats starting to ask Sanders, look, let's don't drag this thing out any more than we have to. People want to get on to the general election. They want to get on to defeating Donald Trump.

I think Sanders' showing tonight, hardly any showing with the African-Americans, our most loyal constituency, and our most exciting new constituency, and that is these educated white women. He showed nothing. If we're going to beat Donald Trump, we can't be lollygagging around here for a lot longer because it seems the party is starting to make a decision.

BRIAN WILLIAMS: James, I'm imagining all of Sanders nation saying in unison, and I'll paraphrase, what part of Bernie Sanders and what part of Bernie Sanders' base of support does he not understand we do, in fact, want a revolution?

JAMES CARVILLE: I understand that you do. You don't have a majority of the Democrats that are in on your revolution. I'm sure that they will continue, but I think you're going to see a lot of people saying, why are we doing this? To what purpose? We want to beat Donald Trump.

I travel around the country. I speak to people. And Democrats are not interested in a revolution, they are interested in getting this guy out of power just as fast as they possibly can. And at some point -- Sanders ran in 2016. But I think you're going to start seeing some backlash here, like come on, man, we're speaking pretty loudly and we're speaking pretty clearly tonight. And we're voters and we want to be heard. You can just feel it, you can feel it coming. The dynamic is going to change. This ball is moving fast and it's going to continue to move.

WILLIAMS: I guess I would ask who you see as the voices of maturity who would be having some of the uncomfortable talks at an uncomfortable time in the middle of a pitched battle?

CARVILLE: I don't know that -- I don't think that Senator Sanders, in his defense, he never really liked [or] played well with others. Maybe that's part of his appeal, I think he's sort of proud of that. But I think that the feeling that his campaign has as they go forward, they're going to have people saying, 'You know, Senator Sanders, do you really want to do this?' If the goal here is to really beat Donald Trump, what you're doing is counterproductive.

Look, you ran all the way through in 2016 primaries. You had a voice in a 2020 primaries. You carried your campaign, you raised a lot of money. But our most important constituencies in this party are just not for you. And we have to deal with that and get on to the business of November here. Are you going to be able to negotiate with him or anything like that? Of course not.

[jorma]

ngl, even though i'm not particularly invested emotionally in this election it was still really disappointing waking up to these results.