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« Reply #58200 on: May 19, 2020, 06:21:23 PM »
fed paying for cobra > putting everyone on medicaid

In the current situation, or in general

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« Reply #58201 on: May 19, 2020, 06:22:24 PM »
current situation obv

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« Reply #58202 on: May 19, 2020, 06:26:18 PM »
Like, I'm definitely losing my mind little by little - anybody here can see I'm going to be talking to a volleyball soon - but most of the shit that matters is local and federal government is powerless anyway. We need to be putting a moratorium on all rent mortgage and debt, we need to be establishing free mask distribution centers, our local businesses, police, and services have to be enforcing social distancing, our state elections have to be entirely mail in with limited but safe local options, we need to be reaching out to immigrant and native communities who are systematically excluded from our reluctant nanny state, all of this shit starts in your neighborhood, your city, and your state, and if you're mad and not doing anything because slackjawed yokels from Iowa or Wyoming are blocking federal bills, that's as much your fault as it is theirs. You need to be organizing your entire apartment block and telling management "none of us are paying rent for three months", you need to be organizing your workplace and demanding that all work is done safely and compensated with a premium on hazard work, you need to be getting everyone in your area registered to vote in the local elections that are happening RIGHT NOW so that the fucking boomer landlord city council members who get 2000 votes out of two million people are held accountable and pass rent freezes and safety laws. Stop whining about Pelosi because 1) she's actually the best we've got for what she does and 2) you're a fucking keyboard warrior that could be doing shit instead of complaining every day. This is the most important event in the last six decades of American history and you're blowing it

jesus fuckin christ in the last two decades+ the government has moved DRASTICALLY to the right and it's not only because the right is pushing it so hard. the Dems have been right there helping with votes and excuses to help with idiotic wars, massive wealth inequality, huge increase in police power and surveillance, rightward shift in judges, etc etc etc etc. they have every excuse in the book when it comes to ignoring shit a majority of their constituents have been demanding for DECADES but they always have time for pro-corporate and pro-militarization bullshit. they're fucking terrible, and it's not because they need to be to win elections, it's because they want to be.

and as for that local bullshit, "be an activist," who do you think is right there undoing activists' hard work time and time again? i live in a city that is almost exclusively dem-controlled, and every time people bust their ass to work for progressive legislation or a progressive candidate the party turns right around and undermines it or works to find a conservative candidate to replace whoever just got elected. it doesn't matter how hard you push when they'll always show up and erase months or years of hard work without fail.

i'm not with that shit saying both parties are the same, but both are absolutely committed to making sure this country is a fucking shithole for everyone who isn't a rich privileged fuck.
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« Reply #58203 on: May 19, 2020, 06:28:01 PM »
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« Reply #58204 on: May 19, 2020, 06:39:12 PM »
both parties are just pacifiers to keep all the poors calm without having to give them milk
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« Reply #58205 on: May 19, 2020, 06:44:10 PM »
For instance, you mentioned rent strike. People are simply not going to do that en masse. You have scores of people barely surviving before the pandemic hit, and they're now drawing on whatever reserves they have. What's the difference between a rent strike or not paying rent because you don't have the money in the first place? When the first eviction letters get sent over the summer, spreading potential carriers to have to move with relatives that may be doing a bit better or becoming homeless, getting more people sick.
You really don't think they'll extend the moratorium on evictions? You say people won't do it en masse but they already did all on their own - somewhere between 20% and a third of Americans didn't pay May's rent. If that's the number of people that do it SPONTANEOUSLY, imagine what happens if there's a bandwagon effect.

That's not a rent strike, that's people on their own making a choice between paying rent or paying for food. People by and large's aren't looking to make a statement with not paying rent, they don't have a choice.


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The fact that they're pushing COBRA subsidies over getting people signed up for Medicaid, or even ACA expansion is such a terrible policy (And the most expensive!) shows they're so scared of the health industry that this current Dem leadership is never going to improve the status quo.
Fair point. But MediCal is pretty good already so you should convince Newsom to do the expansion all on his own instead of waiting for Trump to get on board. I mean what a fucking fantasy![/quote]

Newsome just pushed a budget slashing Medi-cal benefits because of the current budget deficit. That's the issue, you need your actual leaders to lead at all fronts. Pelosi should know what her own governor needs to fund the state, and she's not pushing for enough funding.

If it's a messaging bill, they're showing what they're messaging, and that's they don't want to use federal government as the tool it needs to be.
Are you even listening to yourself? The good bill that won't make it past the Senate isn't perfect so they should have passed an even better bill that won't survive the house Republicans? You're just jerking yourself off, and without any awareness that California progressivism is pretty far removed from where the rest of the nation is at.
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First, I don't think it's a good bill. I'm indifferent to it. And 2nd, if the bill has no chance of passing, then fuck, yes, put in what you think will advance your priorities. This isn't California progressivism, or whatever you want to call it, when there's Republican senators like Josh Hawley and Marco Rubio supporting some version of it.

The current Heroes act had 1 republican voting for it and 14 Democrats in the house voting against it. They could have put anything they wanted, and still have the same percentages. If you're asking me to give a fuck about it, then I'll tell you what I think what's wrong with it. If you're whining that they couldn't pass something that will be better, I don't know where that comes from, You'd think Blue Dogs Dems are going to fight against getting more money to their communities right now?

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« Reply #58206 on: May 19, 2020, 07:21:34 PM »
It all started with those 3rd way fuckers.
They gave away the keys when Clinton and Blair started cutting into welfare benefits and healthcare to fund their reforms.

"The government can't afford all this and we ain't paying more taxes" :success
"Please allow everyone to borrow money from you with interest to buy a house and we will balance the budgets by cutting social programs and privatizing more"  :cornette
"Sounds good to me if you add some deregulation" :success

It was basically your average public worker negotiating with the smartest corporate people and best paid legal teams.
In some countries like Greece it went even further. There the corporate interests simply proposed all sorts of loopholes and banking tricks to 'cover up' the budget shortfalls so they would both get what they wanted (no cuts / no tax increases)

In the end the social democrats and liberals gave away more of the 'social contract' than the (Christian) conservatives ever did.
By the time it was Obama's turn, Citibank proposed his cabinet picks, the bill for deregulation was due and modern vulture capitalism in the form of 'platforms' like AirBnB escaped the tech sector into the real world and a lot of people would forever lose their ability to afford their own home.
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« Reply #58207 on: May 19, 2020, 07:24:51 PM »
Pelosi "we can not hold Trump accountable for anything he does or even speak of it or it will utterly destroy our democracy"

"but what a fatass lol vote Biden"

"why isn't pelosi impeaching trump"
"why didn't democrats impeach trump exactly when I wanted"
"why is trump still president after being impeached, wow pelosi fucked up"
"why isn't pelosi holding trump accountable"

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« Reply #58208 on: May 19, 2020, 07:38:32 PM »
people are mad I said

people are at the breaking point I said

just let them vent I said

does he listen? no

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« Reply #58209 on: May 19, 2020, 07:43:30 PM »
Shut it, Mandark. I want to see Shosta block Toilet4U. *popcorn.gif*

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« Reply #58211 on: May 19, 2020, 07:45:19 PM »
if the dems always cave to the republicans

and the republican party is about to embrace socialism...

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« Reply #58213 on: May 19, 2020, 07:57:56 PM »
A Ukrainian parliament member has released audio recordings revealing private conversations between Petro Poroshenko and Joe Biden.





Biden mentions something about $1 billion in loans if they fire the prosecutor general.
Clearly captured on the Ukrainian side.
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« Reply #58214 on: May 19, 2020, 08:06:42 PM »
fed paying for cobra > putting everyone on medicaid

Maybe. I'm not sure how well it will work in practice.

One the one hand, if you enrolled everybody in Medicaid, it would be a guaranteed shitshow in every single state and they would all fuck it up mightily...

On the other hand, COBRA insurance is the same shitty policy you have now you just don't have a jerb to pay your $7,000 deductible. And I bet some of the insurance companies fuck up the enrollment anyway.

All I can say is "Thank god for the ACA"!

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« Reply #58215 on: May 19, 2020, 08:08:59 PM »
Pelosi "we can not hold Trump accountable for anything he does or even speak of it or it will utterly destroy our democracy"

"but what a fatass lol vote Biden"

"why isn't pelosi impeaching trump"
"why didn't democrats impeach trump exactly when I wanted"
"why is trump still president after being impeached, wow pelosi fucked up"
"why isn't pelosi holding trump accountable"

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lmao ok. i'm not out here acting like pelosi has a fucking magic wand to do whatever she wants, but the fact is that her and the other leaders of the party are doing jack shit to even speak out in a meaningful way about anything that's going on. like we have a president who flagrantly violates the law daily and of course they're not gonna impeach him daily but for fucks sake there's zero reason they can't be out there crafting messages against him and speaking out. we're in a fucking crisis right now with tens of millions unemployed while rent and bills are still due but they can't come up with some sort of plan showing what they'd like to do, or what they could do if they won in the elections? you'd barely know they fucking existed half the time because most of the criticism of the right ISN'T coming from them. offering up something, anything, to show that they have a plan, that they are willing to put in work, and will be able to do more if they win in the election season, doesn't just help them but leads and inspires others to start getting shit done too.

but instead they use their platform to speak out against their own party and make concessions on simple stuff that should be the fucking baseline for their support. then when people criticize they say "go vote!" even though they can't be assed to put up any kind of major resistance to the fucking disenfranchisement and gerrymandering that the GOP has been focusing on for TWENTY FUCKING YEARS.

we've got a rigged election coming up and we're rapidly decending into actual honest to god fascism as millions of us go broke but hey at least they're doing SOMETHING am i rite

FUCK OUTTA HERE
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« Reply #58216 on: May 19, 2020, 08:16:33 PM »


mom got one these letters in the mail  :dobbs

you're move, joe!  :trumps
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« Reply #58217 on: May 19, 2020, 08:18:35 PM »
A Ukrainian parliament member has released audio recordings revealing private conversations between Petro Poroshenko and Joe Biden.





Biden mentions something about $1 billion in loans if they fire the prosecutor general.
Clearly captured on the Ukrainian side.

Nintex. This isn't news. It's been known about for years and was part of official US foreign policy and was supported by the EU, Obama, and the Ukrainian Ambassador. The guy was caught extorting businessmen in the Ukraine under threat of prosecution. At the time Diamond Joe told UK to dump his ass or kiss their subsidies goodbye, only 3% of Ukrainians wanted him to stay in the job.

And then Biden got Brain worms.

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« Reply #58218 on: May 19, 2020, 08:19:16 PM »
nintex unironically believes in qanon

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« Reply #58219 on: May 19, 2020, 08:21:27 PM »
nintex unironically believes in qanon

where is hungrynoob anyway. I feel etiolate would have been up for some good old Q anon discussion too...

Honestly, I really wish we had someone that posted about adrenochrome here.

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« Reply #58220 on: May 19, 2020, 08:23:41 PM »
hungrynoob posts at reddit as silphonica so you can keep up with him there.

As q's predictions failed to materialize he sort of settled into generic pro-Trump and -Brexit conservatism, though he does think Bill Gates had a hand in creating the virus.

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« Reply #58221 on: May 19, 2020, 08:27:40 PM »
remember when it was official US policy to target Ukraine corruption, and even republican senators were on board?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html

This is how Bannon style bullshit works. First you say, without evidence, that Biden/Hunter received a billion dollars from Ukraine. Then you release audio of Biden discussing US subsidies/support and claim the money is going directly into Biden's pockets. Yes, Joe Biden on Air Force Two, with his aides and White House staff on the call...performing a shake down of 1bil.  :lol

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« Reply #58222 on: May 19, 2020, 08:32:27 PM »
M-M-M-M-MELTDOWN MAY!

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« Reply #58223 on: May 19, 2020, 08:32:40 PM »
glen  ???
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« Reply #58224 on: May 19, 2020, 08:34:10 PM »
I've known Glen for over six years now

why was glen talking to a nine year old?

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« Reply #58225 on: May 19, 2020, 08:38:28 PM »
remember when it was official US policy to target Ukraine corruption, and even republican senators were on board?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html

This is how Bannon style bullshit works. First you say, without evidence, that Biden/Hunter received a billion dollars from Ukraine. Then you release audio of Biden discussing US subsidies/support and claim the money is going directly into Biden's pockets. Yes, Joe Biden on Air Force Two, with his aides and White House staff on the call...performing a shake down of 1bil.  :lol

The fact that that people have retconned Viktor Fucking Shokin into a good person is just fucking nuts. Guy was crazy corrupt.

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« Reply #58226 on: May 19, 2020, 08:38:39 PM »
ladies ladies ladies ladies


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« Reply #58227 on: May 19, 2020, 08:39:24 PM »
You're out of your fucking mind if you don't think this period in history is the most important event in six decades.

Excuse me. Neon Genesis Evangelion came out in 1995.

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« Reply #58228 on: May 19, 2020, 08:42:16 PM »
Pelosi "we can not hold Trump accountable for anything he does or even speak of it or it will utterly destroy our democracy"

"but what a fatass lol vote Biden"

"why isn't pelosi impeaching trump"
"why didn't democrats impeach trump exactly when I wanted"
"why is trump still president after being impeached, wow pelosi fucked up"
"why isn't pelosi holding trump accountable"

 :doge

lmao ok. i'm not out here acting like pelosi has a fucking magic wand to do whatever she wants, but the fact is that her and the other leaders of the party are doing jack shit to even speak out in a meaningful way about anything that's going on. like we have a president who flagrantly violates the law daily and of course they're not gonna impeach him daily but for fucks sake there's zero reason they can't be out there crafting messages against him and speaking out. we're in a fucking crisis right now with tens of millions unemployed while rent and bills are still due but they can't come up with some sort of plan showing what they'd like to do, or what they could do if they won in the elections? you'd barely know they fucking existed half the time because most of the criticism of the right ISN'T coming from them. offering up something, anything, to show that they have a plan, that they are willing to put in work, and will be able to do more if they win in the election season, doesn't just help them but leads and inspires others to start getting shit done too.

but instead they use their platform to speak out against their own party and make concessions on simple stuff that should be the fucking baseline for their support. then when people criticize they say "go vote!" even though they can't be assed to put up any kind of major resistance to the fucking disenfranchisement and gerrymandering that the GOP has been focusing on for TWENTY FUCKING YEARS.

we've got a rigged election coming up and we're rapidly decending into actual honest to god fascism as millions of us go broke but hey at least they're doing SOMETHING am i rite

FUCK OUTTA HERE

Crafting messages and speaking out...you mean like holding hearings, like what they're preparing to do on this recent Pompeo issue? I'm not saying the House has been perfect, but the reality is that Trump has been flouting the law on a near weekly basis. I'm not sure what you can do outside of pick your battles, win elections, and ultimately win in November.

This is a unique situation where it's become clear there is no real oversight or accountability when one legislative body stands ready and willing to absolve Trump of virtually anything. So does the House impeach him multiple times? Hold hearings nonstop? Take him to court (again)? What's the solution here? The only solution I see is winning.

In terms of the virus response yea, I'm actually surprised Pelosi dropped the ball. The bill has a lot of great things in it...but it's missing the biggest thing people need right now: stimulus. If you make <120k as a single person (and whatever the family equivalent is) you should be receiving at least $1200 a month. For at least the next few months. We can't discuss phased stimulus without discussing this.

And frankly, it's a bad look that Biden's camp doesn't realize there's a clear W here for him. We already know he's heavily in talks with Warren and Bernie's staffs. Why not announce your own damn stimulus plan, which you plan on passing as your first piece of legislation? Why not run against Washington right now and argue both Pelosi and Trump's plans are insufficient? Why not announce all this in a speech on the campaign trail - granted he won't be able to go many places due to the shut downs, but surely he could give a speech somewhere and invite the media.
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« Reply #58229 on: May 19, 2020, 08:44:42 PM »
fed paying for cobra > putting everyone on medicaid

Maybe. I'm not sure how well it will work in practice.

One the one hand, if you enrolled everybody in Medicaid, it would be a guaranteed shitshow in every single state and they would all fuck it up mightily...

Yeah, my thought process is that COBRA seems like way less of an administrative burden in a pinch, keeps people in a plan they're familiar with, and circumvents any shenanigans from red state governments (who, I've learned over the last decade, HATE the idea of putting more people on Medicaid).


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« Reply #58230 on: May 19, 2020, 08:47:58 PM »
fed paying for cobra > putting everyone on medicaid

Maybe. I'm not sure how well it will work in practice.

One the one hand, if you enrolled everybody in Medicaid, it would be a guaranteed shitshow in every single state and they would all fuck it up mightily...

Yeah, my thought process is that COBRA seems like way less of an administrative burden in a pinch, keeps people in a plan they're familiar with, and circumvents any shenanigans from red state governments (who, I've learned over the last decade, HATE the idea of putting more people on Medicaid).

Plus Medicaid reimbursement rates are still meh to bad, meaning a lot of places would be hesitant to even fill their schedules with patients who will potentially cost them money.
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« Reply #58231 on: May 19, 2020, 08:53:03 PM »
M-M-M-M-MELTDOWN MAY!

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« Reply #58232 on: May 19, 2020, 08:57:02 PM »
Just generally the state-federal partnership combined with GOP state governments being haters complicates a quick expansion of Medicaid.

For example, there's the asset requirement, where people have to spend down their savings in order to qualify for the program. Maybe you include something in the bill that waives (or induces the states to waive) that requirement, but they push back and possibly take it to court, where the medicaid expansion part of NFIB vs. Sebelius gives them a favorable precedent?

Meanwhile, paying directly for COBRA is expensive and inefficient and leaves in whatever shortfalls those private plans have, but it's mostly a matter of cutting a big ol' check. You can get it done quickly.

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« Reply #58233 on: May 19, 2020, 09:01:32 PM »
https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1262837644188319744


Debating the comparative merits of ideas within the Democratic party when Immortan Don is in charge.  :rejoice

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« Reply #58234 on: May 19, 2020, 09:07:26 PM »
There's no way the UE benefits get extended. I'm still amazed it got passed in the first place. Which makes it even more important for the leader of the democrat party to be out there proposing policies that he will pass as president within his first 100 days in office.
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« Reply #58235 on: May 19, 2020, 09:10:24 PM »
I think states should start forming regional financial assistance groups and issuing their own debt instruments. Mandark says they can't spend the way the federal government does but I don't see why not if the regional income is hefty enough.

What a great idea...during a national pandemic during which tax revenue, budgets, and rainy days funds are being decimated.
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Never going to happen, bad idea. If you want to play with magic money, stick to where it resides: the federal government. State money is real money.
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« Reply #58236 on: May 19, 2020, 09:18:05 PM »
Never going to happen, bad idea. If you want to play with magic money, stick to where it resides: the federal government. State money is real money.
The treasury covers the deficit by issuing t-notes on the bond market; high powered money is only used to provide banks with additional reserves if they're short at the end of the day.

The Glen I know is too versed in economics to argue this. Who are you, usurper.
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« Reply #58237 on: May 19, 2020, 09:31:59 PM »
Whoever can goad Glen into registering a new account should get half the proceeds when he pays to nuke it again.

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« Reply #58238 on: May 19, 2020, 09:35:14 PM »
I don’t know about you guys but I can’t wait to vote in November, it seems like we have two strong candidates on both sides.
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« Reply #58239 on: May 19, 2020, 09:36:52 PM »
New account feature broke like months ago lol

Thank god, Demi finally implemented the wall.

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« Reply #58240 on: May 19, 2020, 09:44:22 PM »
Just for 21337 (though I should post it in the meme thread)

https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1262882810886418432

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« Reply #58241 on: May 19, 2020, 09:45:21 PM »
Whoever can goad Glen into registering a new account should get half the proceeds when he pays to nuke it again.

I'm talking to him on twitter right now. He's not coming back. To quote him:

"That thread is garbage. Completely taken over by lunatic Rose Twitter types"

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« Reply #58242 on: May 19, 2020, 09:47:56 PM »
Whoever can goad Glen into registering a new account should get half the proceeds when he pays to nuke it again.

I'm talking to him on twitter right now. He's not coming back. To quote him:

"That thread is garbage. Completely taken over by lunatic Rose Twitter types"

He spends all his time on Twitter yelling at National Review writers about Hillary Clinton's emails.

Cameron needs to get those Avatar sequels out, for his sake.

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« Reply #58243 on: May 19, 2020, 09:48:49 PM »
https://twitter.com/ZackBornstein/status/1262882810886418432

timu, break this tweet down for me

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« Reply #58244 on: May 19, 2020, 09:49:10 PM »
What's the 9 year old story?
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« Reply #58245 on: May 19, 2020, 09:49:37 PM »
Whoever can goad Glen into registering a new account should get half the proceeds when he pays to nuke it again.

I'm talking to him on twitter right now. He's not coming back. To quote him:

"That thread is garbage. Completely taken over by lunatic Rose Twitter types"

He spends all his time on Twitter yelling at National Review writers about Hillary Clinton's emails.

Cameron needs to get those Avatar sequels out, for his sake.

In the meantime, I’ve heard Pocahontas is on Disney+ right now.
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« Reply #58246 on: May 19, 2020, 09:52:41 PM »
What's the 9 year old story?

hhkcvaoitsso is shostakovich aka shosta, newish poster to the bore

he's pretty young so when he said he'd been talking to Glen for six years I responded he would have been nine years old then, implying that he is fifteen years old now, emphasizing his youth for comic effect

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« Reply #58248 on: May 19, 2020, 09:52:53 PM »
what were the rose emojis all about again? I know y'all explained it before and all I can recall was it sounded lame.

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« Reply #58249 on: May 19, 2020, 09:55:20 PM »
it's a russian/gop psyop to break up the left into warring factions  :rogan divide and concur  :kermit
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« Reply #58250 on: May 19, 2020, 09:56:36 PM »
I mean, that too
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« Reply #58251 on: May 19, 2020, 09:57:45 PM »
ok today I've heard repeated calls for the return of glen and etoilet and i need you guys to find something better to do with your time
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« Reply #58252 on: May 19, 2020, 10:03:13 PM »
aybe you include something in the bill that waives (or induces the states to waive) that requirement, but they push back and possibly take it to court, where the medicaid expansion part of NFIB vs. Sebelius gives them a favorable precedent?

Precedent  :bernie

I think this is the key to American politics that Democrats haven’t figured out. The rules don’t matter and don’t exist. The laws have no teeth, and it doesn’t matter if you are lying or not, because if you’re a senator or the President and you say something that is even semi-plausible, the media will pretend it has merit or is worthy of consideration, no matter how stupid it is, the media will treat it as worthy of consideration: see NY Times quote “ On Thursday, he returned to that theme … eagerly theorizing—dangerously, in the view of some experts—about the powers of sunlight, ultraviolet light, and household disinfectants to kill the virus.”

The only things that matter are winning elections, and strong arming in friendly Supreme Court justices that are complete partisan hacks with no shame that will reverse what they said last month to get to the desired result.

If the Democrats had been smart Obama could have just slid through Merrick Garland by deeming the Senate in recess And that their pro forma sessions didn’t count and let him float into the seat on a 4-4 vote and shrugged his shoulders. He could have printed the trillion dollar coin and just said “I did it so the Republicans didn’t end Medicare” or some dumb shit.

The one thing Trump has made me realize more than anything is that American government is fundamentally flawed and broken.

The fact that democrats are the only party pretending that there are actual rules other than what the public will let you get away with (which is basically anything you might want to do) is why the Republicans stack up wins no matter who holds the White House.

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« Reply #58253 on: May 19, 2020, 10:08:16 PM »
they couldn't even repeal the aca

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« Reply #58254 on: May 19, 2020, 10:20:31 PM »
definitely here for the borean civil war of 2020 between the neoclassicals and the pkers

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« Reply #58255 on: May 19, 2020, 10:23:18 PM »
definitely here for the borean civil war of 2020 between the neoclassicals and the pkers

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« Reply #58256 on: May 19, 2020, 10:25:26 PM »
If this pandemic thwarts my years-long project of not reading about MMT...

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« Reply #58257 on: May 19, 2020, 10:40:49 PM »
buddy I haven't even read the broken earth trilogy yet I'm not reading that

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« Reply #58258 on: May 19, 2020, 11:15:33 PM »
they couldn't even repeal the aca

It’s hard for me to see the ACA as anything other than a clear unequivocal win for Republicans.

They snookered the democrats into adopting a Heritage Foundation Health platform, and parlayed it into a near decade long majority in Congress, then successfully watered it down to remove all the penalties, reintroduced junk insurance through executive orders (which you can buy with government subsidies now), successfully neutered the best part of the law through a partisan Supreme Court, and removed all the cost saving measures,  and turned it introduced block grant waivers.

So now you have a law which barely 50% of Americans even like, insurance premiums are still rising faster than wages, and 10 years later deductibles have grown 2x faster than inflation.

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« Reply #58259 on: May 19, 2020, 11:26:21 PM »
another big win for the left!  :mueller I'm sure the cons cried themselves all the way to the bank with that one  :biden
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