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Smartphone 2017 : bow to your master
« on: July 11, 2017, 03:46:09 AM »
Have some questions for the Bore college about dem pocket computers and feel free to say anything phone related :

- Are flagship phones justified anymore ? I guess they are for heavy usage (games ? insane multitasking ?) but otherwise it seems the only thing you can get a dramatic improve on is the picture camera ? I guess the screen too, though crazy resolutions on such small sizes are leaving me a bit dumbfounded.
- Why the fuck is there so few compact Android phones ? It's basically a couple of Samsung and Sony models now...
- Why even make phones without a SD slot ?
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2017, 03:55:53 AM »
I buy whatever has good hardware specs and I can install stock android on. Also I have a preference for mini/compact phones so i'm rocking a Sony atm.

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2017, 04:11:52 AM »
I just get whatever has iMessage on it

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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2017, 04:22:03 AM »
I buy whatever has good hardware specs and I can install stock android on. Also I have a preference for mini/compact phones so i'm rocking a Sony atm.

Yeah my issue with Sony is that I found the UI overlay / pre-installed apps obnoxious (and File Commander is trash), but I guess you can always root it (I never tried, honestly last time it struck me as too complicated to be worth the hassle).
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2017, 08:17:19 AM »
I'm using a Nexus 5x still. I don't game on my phone at all, ever, so it works just fine for everything I need it to do.

If I were going to get a new phone, I'd probably flip a coin between a Pixel XL and the One Plus 5- I also have an affinity for stock android and avoiding bloatware. Of course, the issue with buying a new phone is that they shit out a new model 12 months later, and I don't like playing the yearly update game.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2017, 08:22:09 AM »
I really wish Microsoft would make an investment in app development. Take the loss in the front end by bribing developers to create the core apps and games needed for a successful store and spend bounties for others. Their portable desktop model was really special.

That being said I never use many apps any more really. Facebook, podcast, music, YouTube, messenger, chrome. Why do I need a flagship?
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2017, 11:20:18 AM »
:drudge GOOGLE PIXEL SHILL POST :drudge

- Are flagship phones justified anymore ? I guess they are for heavy usage (games ? insane multitasking ?) but otherwise it seems the only thing you can get a dramatic improve on is the picture camera ? I guess the screen too, though crazy resolutions on such small sizes are leaving me a bit dumbfounded.

They are for me, because I care deeply about the camera and that's why I upgraded to a Google Pixel from my Nexus 5X last year. Usually I wait two years to do so but I wanted to have the highest-rated smartphone camera to shoot my short films with. (I had also bought a DJI Osmo Mobile stabilizer.)

I'm planning on eventually shooting a feature film on whatever smartphone I have at the time. (Several films have already been made using iPhones, including Sundance winner Tangerine.)

So yeah. The camera is very important to me (as is stock or close-to-stock Android.)

Agreed on the resolution thing though. There's no real reason (other than VR?) to pack 2K into a phone, let alone 4K. And I say this as someone who championed phones moving past HVGA years ago. Complete waste of battery life.

- Why the fuck is there so few compact Android phones ? It's basically a couple of Samsung and Sony models now...

Google Pixel has a 5" screen. The Pixel 2 (Walleye) is rumored to have a 4.97" screen.

Andy Rubin's upcoming Essential Phone packs a large-ish 5.7" screen into a small phone body the size of a normal iPhone 7 (which has a 4.7" screen.)



- Why even make phones without a SD slot ?

Because they're unnecessary with sufficient on-board storage (128 GB+) and free/cheap cloud storage? (Pixel has unlimited full-res photo and video backup to Google Photos.)
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2017, 11:30:27 AM »
Apparently RED (the camera maker) is making a smartphone, currently in preorder. Kinda curious...

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Google Pixel has a 5" screen. The Pixel 2 (Walleye) is rumored to have a 4.97" screen.

Compact to me is <5 (and not <=5) though it is still mostly manageable for my hand.

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Because they're unnecessary with sufficient on-board storage (128 GB)

"Unnecessary" is subjective. You're objectively losing functionality and the possibility to extend at your leisure storage if needed. Also useful when the phone breaks hard, and I speak from experience.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2017, 11:37:12 AM »
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"Unnecessary" is subjective. You're objectively losing functionality and the possibility to extend at your leisure storage if needed. Also useful when the phone breaks hard, and I speak from experience.

I mean "unnecessary" in the sense that it's not required in order to use the phone. I guess everyone's use case is different, but I have yet to clear out the hours of 4K video I shot for my last short film in December and have been taking photos and video nonstop since then. (I have a 128 GB Pixel.) I don't install many apps, though. Pretty much just the basics + Pokemon GO.

Speaking of my own use cases and the benefits of expandable storage, the only phone I've ever broken was my Nexus 5 after 1.5 years, and even then it was only cracking the screen and it still worked fine after that. Never had a case until my Pixel, either.

On top of that, there's literally nothing I have on my phone that isn't backed up in the cloud. (Google Photos for photos/videos and Google Voice for texts/voicemail.) So even if I chucked my phone out a window right now I'd still have all my data. Different strokes. ¯\_(ツ )_/¯

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Apparently RED (the camera maker) is making a smartphone, currently in preorder. Kinda curious...

I was excited from the headline, but the press release doesn't even mention the camera and was focused on selling the "holographic" aspect. Not to mention it won't even come out until 2018, by which point we'll have the Pixel 2.

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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2017, 12:04:25 PM »
Maybe if you don't care about quality and design you can skimp by with a non iPhone but man life is just too short
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2017, 12:15:10 PM »
Don't take personally me yelling at clouds. I think not having a MicroSD is dumb from a construction POV considering how minor it is and I don't like the increasing trend of phones getting more and more locked up. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise if you're fine with whatever phone you have and yeah 128Go is more than decent storage in this day and age, though I effortlessly had 50+ Go of music podcasts alone at one point.

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I was excited from the headline, but the press release doesn't even mention the camera and was focused on selling the "holographic" aspect. Not to mention it won't even come out until 2018, by which point we'll have the Pixel 2.

The press release sounds dumb as shit and the design preview is ugly as sin, but I'll still keep an eye on the news about it though it's already way beyond the kind of budget I would be willing to pursue (1100$ at the cheapest).
RED apparently has patents for having a modular camera around a smartphone central unit, that may or may not be linked to it (and may or may not be feasible). I think they earned to be taken seriously with that stuff.
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2017, 12:46:29 PM »
If RED would ditch the "holographic" gimmick and just focus on making a decent smartphone with an INSANELY good/world-class camera that uses some of the same tech as their movie cameras, that's a phone I would seriously consider buying even at $1500+.

Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the phone they're making. We'll see though. :)

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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2017, 12:48:57 PM »
i just got an iphone se and it's pretty nice. i actually dig the smaller phone size. i was using a 5.7" android before and it was a little too big. since i pretty much only use apps that are everywhere it wasn't too much of a hassle to swap back to ios either. plus i got a really cheap phone plan too.

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2017, 01:04:55 PM »
Yeah I can't imagine getting something > 5.1". (:teehee) Mid-size phones are the perfect compromise between visibility and usability. Also cheaper than their phablet brethren, too.

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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2017, 01:11:09 PM »
Still using a Oneplus2
idk, I can't warrant the use of a flagship phone these days when the sub $400 offerings are so nice.
Definitely gonna swap this year, but like I'm not sure to what yet.
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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2017, 01:28:55 PM »
Still using a Oneplus2
idk, I can't warrant the use of a flagship phone these days when the sub $400 offerings are so nice.
Definitely gonna swap this year, but like I'm not sure to what yet.

OnePlus has done so many stupid things over the years, starting with their "NEVER SETTLE" tagline (which was immediately followed by confirmation their first phone didn't have NFC.) Most recently their latest phone's screen is installed upside-down so it has a constant "jiggle" effect.

For the record I've bought various Moto E and G units for family and they've worked out mostly well unless you drop them in a pond or push them too hard.

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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2017, 01:29:53 PM »
Yeah saw that upside down shit and laughed.
Even then there are other options out there. I can't get out of the android wheelhouse now that I'm so deep in the ecosystem tho.
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2017, 01:42:05 PM »
Under $450, nothing seems to beat the Moto G5+. I just bought the $300 one for my mom and insisted that she doesn't use a case or give a shit if it breaks because of Motorolas insane $60 2 year warranty. For comparison, a Galaxy S8 warranty would be four times the price.

Above $450, you have the OnePlus 5 which is by far the highest performance phone on the market (beats the S8,iPhone, everything) but has awful quality control. Apparently they installed the screens upside down on most/all of them so there's a weird blobby image effect that occasionally happens when you're scrolling at certain angles since the phone thinks it's upside down. I dono I wouldn't consider living with that everyday. There might be a OnePlus 5T coming later in the year that fixes that.

The GS8 seems like a good phone on paper but reportedly gets slow after a few months. It seems no matter what specs a Samsung phone has, their software develops stutters over time.

For myself, I'm looking at the Moto Z2 which is going to be announced at the end of July. My experience with Motorolas is that they run smoothly for years and have minimal bloatware. Plus I want my next phone to have that modular camera thingy so I can have a point and shoot caliber camera wherever I go.

The Pixel 2 also should be good. But while I like larger screened phones, I wouldn't buy the Pixel 2 XL since it's going to be made by LG and basically all of their phones develop a bootloop eventually. The smaller Pixel 2 is being made by HTC.


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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2017, 01:53:21 PM »
I loved my Nexus 5 and 5X and never got the bootloop, nor am even sure what it entails, but I do wish Google would stick with HTC 100% if they're dead-set on not building their own factories (while still trying to convince everyone "we're totally building these things top-to-bottom guys, seriously!" ::))

Despite apparently being cobbled together in half the time of normal flagships, I fucking love my Pixel and its build quality.

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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2017, 02:22:22 PM »
How often you change phones though? My N5 did that in 1.5 years. My brothers had a similar turning off problem when you put it in a charger overnight  (2 years) . And my dad's developed it after 4 years or something but he wasn't using it anymore.

Basically the phone has crappy contacts somewhere on the motherboard and that causes it to restart itself every  5 seconds until it runs out of battery. LGs factory warranty covers that for 2 years now but I'd rather not worry if my phone is going to randomly shake itself apart.

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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2017, 02:29:21 PM »
Samsung Galaxy Nexus 4G: March 2012
LG Nexus 5: November 2013
LG Nexus 5X: October 2015
Google Pixel: November 2016

Basically every two years, except I jumped on board the Pixel train early last year. No problems with any of my phones, even the LG ones. Guess I got lucky. :P

Fwiw I believe LG got sued over this, so even if they won in court they're probably going to try and fix it going forward.
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2017, 03:48:17 PM »


Pixel XL 2 leaked. :rejoice

Hoping for a Pixel 2 leak soon...

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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2017, 04:09:48 PM »
Each phone is like basically the same nowadays with no need to upgrade unless you break one

All the new fancy shit is whatever
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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2017, 05:22:12 AM »
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OnePlus has done so many stupid things over the years, starting with their "NEVER SETTLE" tagline...

I mean the inverted screen is hilariously bad but "Never settle" is not dumber than "For the brave", "Quietly brilliant", "Think different", "Do the right thing"...
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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2017, 05:48:08 AM »
Otherwise, reading tests and shit, it seems the decent "photophone" alternative for me might just be the model above mine in the ASUS lineup, the Zenfone Zoom S. It's a little too large and expensive, doesn't have NFC and not everyone is a fan of the ASUS overlay apparently (I like it).
I'll probably wait tho. Might get better deals at my carrier...
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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2017, 09:06:40 AM »
really hope they haven't ditched the headphone jack in the new Pixel.
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2017, 10:59:06 AM »
iPhone 6S+ user here and I can't see myself ever going back to a smaller phone. Before that I had a Galaxy S3 and a S6. I spent a lot of time rooting and customizing, but it all was big waste of time. I no longer care what the icon of an app looks like.
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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2017, 12:30:41 PM »
One of my friends has the Pixel and it's a very nice phone. But I'm waiting for the new one. It looks so big in her hands though, but fits mine very nicely.

Currently for me it's between

Pixel XL2

OnePlusOne 5

and the Samsung S8+

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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2017, 12:32:12 PM »
really hope they haven't ditched the headphone jack in the new Pixel.

As usual we laughed but it's spreading like a pest : HTC also cut the jack along a couple of other phones.
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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2017, 12:35:18 PM »
Everything I've read about the Pixel XL 2 makes me think it's juuuuuuuust a bit too large. The XL was nice, screen was much bigger than the Nexus 5X but the phone was just a bit larger. Not a fan of phablets.
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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2017, 12:38:14 PM »
My girlfriend has the LG G6 and I think it's a really nice device. I like the tall screen design. I'm waiting to see what happens with the Pixel 2017. Still rocking a Nexus 6P (after getting it replaced due to battery issues) and I can see myself keeping it going into 2018 if the Pixel stuff doesn't pan out.
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« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2017, 04:20:19 PM »
Still using a Oneplus2
idk, I can't warrant the use of a flagship phone these days when the sub $400 offerings are so nice.
Definitely gonna swap this year, but like I'm not sure to what yet.

OnePlus has done so many stupid things over the years, starting with their "NEVER SETTLE" tagline (which was immediately followed by confirmation their first phone didn't have NFC.) Most recently their latest phone's screen is installed upside-down so it has a constant "jiggle" effect.

For the record I've bought various Moto E and G units for family and they've worked out mostly well unless you drop them in a pond or push them too hard.

FWIW, my boss has the new Oneplus5 and it doesn't seem to have that jiggle effect.
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« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2017, 03:38:21 AM »
The jelly scrolling is only affecting few units afaik. The way it's handled by OnePlus is abysmal tho (nothing to see here, move along).
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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2017, 03:49:24 AM »
KFC phone by Huawei

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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2017, 09:28:23 AM »
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« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2017, 10:53:18 AM »
Everything I've read about the Pixel XL 2 makes me think it's juuuuuuuust a bit too large. The XL was nice, screen was much bigger than the Nexus 5X but the phone was just a bit larger. Not a fan of phablets.

Mockup:



It does seem pretty big (:teehee), but more "holdable" than the 2016 Pixel XL because it's thinner.

Hoping the normal sized 2017 Pixel looks the same but smaller.

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« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2017, 02:36:03 PM »
Renders of the upcoming Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL confirm small bezels, camera bump, and no 3.5mm jack



Storage configurations also seem to be 64 and 128 GB. Both also seem to have dual front-facing speakers, which makes the (only slightly smaller than last year) bezel on the smaller Pixel 2 more understandable. No more antenna line on the back either.

Camera bump is interesting, hoping for another big leap forward on photography for this. If it delivers I have no problem getting a Pixel 2. :)

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« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2017, 02:45:11 PM »
WHERE'S THE HEADPHONE JACK  :beli
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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2017, 11:25:58 PM »
I really wish Microsoft would make an investment in app development. Take the loss in the front end by bribing developers to create the core apps and games needed for a successful store and spend bounties for others. Their portable desktop model was really special.

That being said I never use many apps any more really. Facebook, podcast, music, YouTube, messenger, chrome. Why do I need a flagship?

They did make an investment in App Development. They purchased Xamarin and added a bunch of different ways to easily create cross platform applications for Android/iOS/Windows Phone.

https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/mobile-app-development/
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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2017, 11:02:50 PM »




Ready to buy this, pending the camera improvements.

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« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2017, 05:49:11 PM »
Sony at last released a compact version (sub 5 inches if I am not mistaken) of their latest flagship.
Interested but no fond memories of their OS overlay and apps...
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« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2017, 09:50:28 PM »
Pixel 2 XL is everything I've ever dreamed :rejoice

This camera brehs :whew



Fucking AMAZING low light performance. My jaw keeps dropping with every new pic I take.

Haven't even tried out my Moment lenses yet. :lawd
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« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2017, 11:13:13 PM »
Pixel 2 XL is everything I've ever dreamed :rejoice

This camera brehs :whew

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Fucking AMAZING low light performance. My jaw keeps dropping with every new pic I take.

Haven't even tried out my Moment lenses yet. :lawd
Yeah their team is doing a very good job with computational photography. I still prefer a "dumb" camera (DSLR) like an old and petty craftsman but I was pleased with the quality of photos from my 5X and the pixels have been improving on that. Portrait mode & fake bokeh is gonna be  :trash for a very long time though.

Are you able to download and install the google camera app on other devices and get access to the same processing, considering the device isn't using the visual core atm? I went to an iPhone SE after LG refused to service my 5X  :'( love this phone though, even if iOS has some issues, but there still really isn't a comparable android device to the 5X that's up to my standards and price range unless I want to try out shady chinese phones.

edit: post the original image so I can spy on the exif data!!!

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« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2017, 11:32:14 PM »
That is the original image, straight from Google Photos I think haha. Edit- Download the original image here.

XDA has gotten Google Camera working on other handsets but I think the Visual Core is gonna be a HUGE competitive advantage for the Pixels when 8.1 hits.

iPhone SE :confused

Yeah fake bokeh is gonna be a dumpster fire, but mark my words, whoever is the first one to do it in "real time" (and videos) is gonna win the entire game IMO. Really excited for that day even if it's beta shit to start.

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« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2017, 06:53:25 AM »
I got a 2016 Pixel XL and love it, btw. It's exactly the right size (pause) anything else is too big in my hand. Hopefully they move away from the phablet sized nonsense in the future but if not I'll have to flip a coin on whether leaving pure android behind is worth the form factor.
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« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2017, 09:01:09 AM »
6S till it brakes

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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2017, 01:47:47 PM »
iPhone SE :rejoice

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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2017, 02:08:37 PM »
6s+ and see no reason to upgrade.
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« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2017, 10:06:24 PM »
Still hemming and hawing about either getting a Motorola E4 Plus (or other similar phones on the sub-200€ tier) - or splurging on an iPhone SE. :-\

You guys and your 600+€ fancy-ass thingamabops. :-\
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« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2017, 10:21:49 PM »
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lol iPhone.

lol Apple support article basically telling you to alias it to something else because they can't push a quick patch out OTA from phone-companies.

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« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2017, 10:33:49 PM »
Played around with the X today and it’s display is great.  May have to upgrade early next year
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« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2017, 11:48:50 PM »
I got a 2016 Pixel XL and love it, btw. It's exactly the right size (pause) anything else is too big in my hand. Hopefully they move away from the phablet sized nonsense in the future but if not I'll have to flip a coin on whether leaving pure android behind is worth the form factor.

I took my OG Pixel out of its case when my 2XL got here and the size difference is pretty crazy. Definitely feels better in the hand.

That said, even with my somewhat-bulky Moment case, I'm having far less trouble adjusting than I thought I would. I wouldn't mind jumping back on board with the smaller Pixel 3 next year (assuming they keep both the same again, but it's Google so even though they used it as a marketing point, who knows if they'll keep it.) The case is a bit grippy and I find myself two-handing it about 15% more than my OG Pixel, but nothing like I feared (and I feared the size change quite a bit.)

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« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2017, 12:45:16 AM »
Still hemming and hawing about either getting a Motorola E4 Plus (or other similar phones on the sub-200€ tier) - or splurging on an iPhone SE. :-\

You guys and your 600+€ fancy-ass thingamabops. :-\
I'm not a fan of any of the $200 and below android devices relative to the iPhone SE, but that's primarily because the 32GB SE can be had for roughly that price here in the states and in day to day usage it's crazy powerful relative to the rest of that price range. How much more is it than the E4 plus?

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« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2017, 01:08:44 AM »
I'm hoping to get either a Note 8 (if deals don't suck) or a Oneplus 5T. Absolutely disappointed in the Pixel 2 twins. I mean they have great cameras and software but it feels so lacking in hardware features that every other cheap phone has.

I don't even know what's wrong with Apple.

Still hemming and hawing about either getting a Motorola E4 Plus (or other similar phones on the sub-200€ tier) - or splurging on an iPhone SE. :-\

You guys and your 600+€ fancy-ass thingamabops. :-\

With the holiday deals, I would definitely recommend a Moto G5. You already see it going for around $230 in the US. I got one for my mom as a late mothers day present and it's pretty brilliant phone. There are some good Chinese manufacturer phones as well but you'd most likely have to order online (I think Huawei is sold in Euroland).

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Re: Smartphone 2017 : bow to your master
« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2017, 08:49:02 AM »
I'm not a fan of any of the $200 and below android devices relative to the iPhone SE, but that's primarily because the 32GB SE can be had for roughly that price here in the states and in day to day usage it's crazy powerful relative to the rest of that price range. How much more is it than the E4 plus?
Eh, it's a middle of the road Mediatek CPU which ain't so hot, and the battery isn't user replaceable, which is the one big issue I have - but otherwise the specs are OK.

Battery is huuuuuuuge (5Wh) and supports quick-charging, both of which are definite pluses; RAM is plenty with 3 GB, the GPU will be enough to drive the 720p screen (I don't give a rats ass about high dpi if I can save a few bucks, but admittedly, this will result in a lot of scrolling and zooming: The Nintendo approach to displays). It's a Motorola so Android is mostly vanilla and might even get an update to beyond the 7.1.1 it gets shipped with. For better or worse, there's even a fingerprint sensor that seemingly isn't completely assy.

Not bad for a 180€ phone that will have to endure being the target of my perpetual loathing and (mostly) work-related activities.

The 32GB SE is around 330-ish around here, so close to twice the price, and I'd have to live with iOS 11. I just can't seem to come to like the post-6 iOS's. :-\

With the holiday deals, I would definitely recommend a Moto G5. You already see it going for around $230 in the US. I got one for my mom as a late mothers day present and it's pretty brilliant phone. There are some good Chinese manufacturer phones as well but you'd most likely have to order online (I think Huawei is sold in Euroland).
Plenty of those, ZTE, Huawei, etc pp. ....mountains of choices, which is why I'm still paralysed. And frankly, having handled a cheapo 100€ ZTE recently, even with only 1GB RAM and a really grimy budget Mediatek inside, it worked well enough. Sure, it's only 99€ worth of hardware, and it shows, but it's kinda... Good enough. Ish.

Which once more exacerbates my conundrum. I just want to whatsapp a bit, browse the net whenever I have to look something up, send and receive a couple of mails per day, and mostly call others/receive calls from others/be on standby. Maybe occasionally make a photo for documentation and such.

There's really no need to spend any big bucks on an ultimately disposable tool, unless I can be 100% sure that it will stay in prime condition for at least five years. I'd rather get a middle of the road phone every three years instead, I think. Roughly on the same level, spending wise, and I get to treat it with way less care.

As an aside: It's really annoying that there are so many different specs for a smartphone of the same name, often even depending on the region. Makes research a slog. There's like two dozen G5 loadouts. From 2 to 4GB RAM, with and without NFC, dual sim and whatever, it's a hot mess. Have to hop between g's arena and amazon and geizhals (price comparison site) as if I was still a young whippersnapper. Which I ain't. :maf

Anyway.

The ten to twenty bucks extra over the E4 Plus that I'd have to spend on a G5 of comparable specs that's sold over here would net me a replaceable, but *vastly* smaller battery, a loss of 0.5" screen size (booh) while upping the resolution, which means that the crappy budget GPU has to push way more pixels. The out-of-the-box Android is also behind by 0.1.1, but I bet that's been remedied by now. ...I guess? I'm not up to the intrinsics of Android versioning.

Granted, the CPU is a snapdragon, which is a definite step up.

Then again, might as well splurge for an additional 30-ish bucks to get some screen real estate back (although only 0.2"), a better camera, double the storage, and a small boost to performance. The G5 plus isn't that far off, price wise. On the other hand, the G5s costs roughly the same as the G5, and there's also the Honour 6X from Huawei and by now I have looked up so many different models, I can't even flarble squee duck duck duck.

Anyway, after wasting my precious lunch break on looking up esoteric smartphone specs, I can just say "Fuck it", add on yet a bit more dosh and go for the comparatively worry-free iPhone SE. Which might even retain some resale value, even if I chuck it around a bit.

Or get a similarly priced Samsung A5 or ....

Oh god, it never ends. I just want a work-friendly phone with oodles of battery life that stays out of my way, nothing fancy. Free market was a mistake. Just give me my state-issued steam powered backpack phone and be done with it. Make the pain go away. I need a wank and some booze.
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Re: Smartphone 2017 : bow to your master
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2017, 11:23:22 AM »
My iPhone 6s is “trade in ready” but I think I’ll just wait until it’s paid off all the way and keep it when I get a new phone — it still works great and would be a great back up to have around

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Re: Smartphone 2017 : bow to your master
« Reply #57 on: November 08, 2017, 06:19:18 AM »
Supposedly my carrier plan should offer me rebates on phone around Christmas. I'll wait and see if they're good but I'm wondering about taking a high end model...

I'm curious about the Note and the stylus though the outrageous size scares me.
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Re: Smartphone 2017 : bow to your master
« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2017, 09:20:27 AM »
My iPhone 6s is “trade in ready” but I think I’ll just wait until it’s paid off all the way and keep it when I get a new phone — it still works great and would be a great back up to have around
I got a regular iPhone 6 that I've been on for just over a year. Picked it up for less than $200, which was nice, but now iOS 11 is laggardly. Apparently your 6s is the cutoff point for acceptable performance.

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Re: Smartphone 2017 : bow to your master
« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2017, 09:29:36 AM »
I also have an iPhone 6 and I haven't noticed iOS11 performance issues, with the exception for annoying bugs. Text messages often fail to load the last message.