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nudemacusers

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5880 on: October 22, 2017, 09:39:43 AM »
http://geonaf.com/showthread.php?tid=1&page=3

Jesus Christ pt. 2
That whole thread. :holeup

I hope none of them are over 18.
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VomKriege

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5881 on: October 22, 2017, 09:40:00 AM »
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Here's hoping moderation remains as strict as it was before. This site is meant to be a continuity of GAF.

HIT ME MORE !

https://snagf.forumbee.com/r/18kmhd

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Regardless of your opinion on Bobbyroberts, i follow him on Twitter, and he made some valid points on how the site will still be standing and hopefully comeback. I do urge people to follow him, if anyone of you needs a bit of hopium.

 :P

https://snagf.forumbee.com/r/m2k606

https://twitter.com/bobbyrobertspdx/status/921878810361921536

https://twitter.com/bobbyrobertspdx/status/921878960559886336

:bobby
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Momo

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5882 on: October 22, 2017, 09:40:26 AM »
I dont really care about evilore's statement, I doubt it will be anything genuine and just some bullshit he read on a bubblegum wrapper. I am however interested in what post neogaf mods have to say about their own time on neogaf  :hitler

As head of the mod award committee, I'm sure you can get them to talk.
I shall and use my influence for the good of borekind

Olivia Wilde Homo

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5883 on: October 22, 2017, 09:41:58 AM »
These new forums are just going to collapse and they'll end up going to Reddit or some shit.
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Coax

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5884 on: October 22, 2017, 09:42:08 AM »
Can I just say Momo has the best avy/tag aesthetic atm

Rufus

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5885 on: October 22, 2017, 09:44:50 AM »
Oof, what a disaster. I had barely even thought about GAF for quite some time now, but a friend who still visited mentioned this sudden disintegration to me yesterday and I could hardly believe the rapidity with which the edifice seems to be collapsing.

If you have questions to ask a former moderator, feel free to do so (including about me, since I know there were salacious rumors).
How do we know you're the real beep boop android we know? :thinking

HaughtyFrank

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5886 on: October 22, 2017, 09:46:28 AM »
Kinda crazy how it all went down.  Goes to show how poorly moderated that place was when your userbase can use just turn on you like that.  Tyler never really fostered a healthy, collaborative culture in recent years.

Hey, he fostered that environment. Cater to ultra-Social Studies Warriors and they will turn on you the second they find out that you're not the paragon of virtue they imagined you to be.
He himself grew tired of that environment but he never had the guts to announce changes or anything like that, he always kept his rants contained to specific threads.

fistfulofmetal

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5887 on: October 22, 2017, 09:47:25 AM »
I'm avoiding any of these upstart forums because they're bound to be filled with people who are giddy at the thought of being able to post whatever shitty opinion without fear of getting slapped down. The echo-chamber of Gaf was terrible but being able to say racists or offensive shit isn't something I'm all bout seeing.
nat

Sapiens

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5888 on: October 22, 2017, 09:48:46 AM »
I still can't believe enough people were pathetic enough to whitelist gaff so Malka could collect free money.

Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5889 on: October 22, 2017, 09:48:47 AM »
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How do we know you're the real beep boop android we know? :thinking

I suppose I could log in to NeoGAF (if it ever comes back up) and post some sort of cryptic message as proof, but it is true that one of the downsides of internet anonymity is that it becomes difficult to prove ones identity should it ever become necessary.

I also think I'd be an odd choice to imitate if someone wanted to come here and impersonate a mod, both because I wasn't there until the very end and because (for most people) my speech patterns would be particularly difficult to imitate. Regardless, it is I.

who is ted danson?

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5890 on: October 22, 2017, 09:50:46 AM »
can't fault people for trying to make the new GAF and hop on that ez ad revenue train.
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Widdle Puppy

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5891 on: October 22, 2017, 09:51:32 AM »
Hi,

GAF refugee here.

So this is fucked up yall.

Awful that one person is the downfall of a huge community. Never was fond of how that dope tried to parade himself around and take credit for the community which really was bigger than any one person. Shame the site is in shambles because of one person. The twitter narrative is absolutely pathetic as well. All the GG, white supremacy and chan users (especially chan users) projecting hard af call neogaf a site for pedos. I'm sorry alt right but yall were born on pedo sites...

Anyways I hope Stump and all the good mods who basically were holding the site together can either take over Neogaf or start a new site. If Evilore has any decency he will hand the site over to the new mods while they figure out how to run the site. Would be cool if it could be transformed into a community funded site and stay the same w/o ads and be run as a nonprofit? Possible?

Klelk

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5892 on: October 22, 2017, 09:53:20 AM »
GAF was most definitely a pedo site

Amirox
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The guy that PM'd Opiate

Marhunchy

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5893 on: October 22, 2017, 09:54:37 AM »
can't fault people for trying to make the new GAF and hop on that ez ad revenue train.

They are getting swarmed by /pol/

Mochilador

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5894 on: October 22, 2017, 09:54:39 AM »
I still can't believe that GAF is over.

VomKriege

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5895 on: October 22, 2017, 09:55:40 AM »
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How do we know you're the real beep boop android we know? :thinking

I suppose I could log in to NeoGAF (if it ever comes back up) and post some sort of cryptic message as proof, but it is true that one of the downsides of internet anonymity is that it becomes difficult to prove ones identity should it ever become necessary.

Regardless, it is I.

OK I'll play I guess. We talk a lot of shit here but yet once someone actually shows up it's all softballs (can't wait for Malka to pop up).

- Would you care to comment on your demotion / departure ? About those most salacious accusations (to say it gently), same thing : any comment ?
- Did you in hindsight reflect on the stuff you said to Fiction with regards to her supposed bias stemming from experience with regard to that discussion on child abuse IIRC ? Because let me tell you that from outside it sounded incredibly insensitive and didn't make you any favor later.
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Coax

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5896 on: October 22, 2017, 09:55:43 AM »
GAF was most definitely a pedo site

Amirox
Opiate
(Probably) Duckroll
The guy that PM'd Opiate

Symphonia

exGAF

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5897 on: October 22, 2017, 09:55:48 AM »
Hello everybody! When I got fed up with the direction of NeoGAF a couple of years ago, I registered ExGAF.com to use in case of an emergency. I set up a forum last night as a safe haven for NeoGAF's productive members and would love for you to come there to continue with NeoGAF's best traditions while doing away with the fascist modding / autocracy,  echo-chamber nonsense, that drove away many intelligent and creative posters in recent years (and just generated lots of hypocrisy, as yesterday's evens have shown). I'm really not interested in yet another echo-chamber set up by former NeoGAF mods. Do you think it's worth a try? Please create an account.

CatkickerXP

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5898 on: October 22, 2017, 09:55:59 AM »
Well that happened.

'sup?


HaughtyFrank

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5899 on: October 22, 2017, 09:56:06 AM »
btw. Did some of the mods really get doxxed or was that bullshit damage control?

bdoughty

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5900 on: October 22, 2017, 09:56:22 AM »
I suppose I could log in to NeoGAF (if it ever comes back up) and post some sort of cryptic message as proof, but it is true that one of the downsides of internet anonymity is that it becomes difficult to prove ones identity should it ever become necessary.

I also think I'd be an odd choice to imitate if someone wanted to come here and impersonate a mod, both because I wasn't there until the very end and because (for most people) my speech patterns would be particularly difficult to imitate. Regardless, it is I.

Since you opened up the topic, I will speak in your native language.

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Momo

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5901 on: October 22, 2017, 09:57:58 AM »
Opiate, explain what went down from your point of view (the events and circumstances leading up to your own demodding).

iPaul

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5902 on: October 22, 2017, 09:58:16 AM »
btw. Did some of the mods really get doxxed or was that bullshit damage control?
Probably not.

fistfulofmetal

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5903 on: October 22, 2017, 09:58:36 AM »
I'm avoiding any of these upstart forums because they're bound to be filled with people who are giddy at the thought of being able to post whatever shitty opinion without fear of getting slapped down. The echo-chamber of Gaf was terrible but being able to say racists or offensive shit isn't something I'm all bout seeing.

Hey man,

whosthebest.me won't let any of that fly.

You know me. We played DayZ together.

aight... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5904 on: October 22, 2017, 09:59:18 AM »
Why did you decide to be a pedophile?

Why did you hate the Wrestling community?

(that was you, right?)

I'm not a pedophile. I wasn't then, and I'm not now. Since leaving GAF, I have gotten married, and I love my wife dearly. It's worth noting that the thread I left GAF over was heavily redacted -- except for my posts, since I didn't feel obligated to rescind statements I still believed were reasonable -- which makes it difficult to read, since it's not clear what happened or what prompted my responses.

If you want a short response: I believe that it's a really big bummer that people grow up with pedophilic tendencies through no fault of their own. It sucks that we can never let them express their sexual needs (and to be clear, we really can't) the way we can let everybody else do so, and it must feel horrible to keep your sexual desires bottled up inside your entire life or else face (justifiable) persecution. It's a horrible life to be born in to.

One other point I made is that this discussion is so toxic, so emotionally driven for most people, that simply suggesting a shred of sympathy for pedophiles made people suspect you of being a pedophile yourself --  a point that was rather amply demonstrated by the response.

As for Wrestling GAF, I legitimately do not know where that sense came from. I had no particular issues with Wrestling GAF. It's possible that Wrestling GAF hated me, but I did not hate them.

Luxray

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5905 on: October 22, 2017, 09:59:58 AM »
I still can't believe that GAF is over.

Once Evilore puts out his bullshit statement, the mental gymnastics sheeple will flock back to infallible dear leader.

I'm the new guy, by the way. Hi.

Rman

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5906 on: October 22, 2017, 10:00:37 AM »
Oh snap, Opiate!


omensetter

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5907 on: October 22, 2017, 10:00:41 AM »
btw. Did some of the mods really get doxxed or was that bullshit damage control?

Amirox got doxxed by the cops

Anime Avatar

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5908 on: October 22, 2017, 10:01:27 AM »
This has been a great day. All it took for NeoGAF to die is for Evilore to be Evilore

Still crazy that this is all it took for all admins to leave. Why even stick around for this long? Obviously the place was held together by nothing and most people hated Evilore and knew he was a piece of shit

Widdle Puppy

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5909 on: October 22, 2017, 10:01:30 AM »
You can tell the site has been heavily split since I there are quite a few random landings for members. I found this place and one other that seem the most established and moderated.

The twitter narrative is of course a mess.

zomgee

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5910 on: October 22, 2017, 10:02:11 AM »
I cannot fucking believe this shitty looking gaf clone got all these members when my cool gaf clone got none.

I'm gonna fuckin' kill myself. I just turned 25 and I can't even get people to sign up for a FORUM.

rub

Lothar

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5911 on: October 22, 2017, 10:02:15 AM »
where are the discord links, btw?

Yeah, does no one know how to get in there?  I want to see the chaos.

Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5912 on: October 22, 2017, 10:02:20 AM »
the mods can all resign in a huff but every one of them knew the elf was a supercreepeer from way back.

btw. Did some of the mods really get doxxed or was that bullshit damage control?

why would you doubt it?
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bork

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5913 on: October 22, 2017, 10:03:44 AM »
oh.. this seems to be the most active new forum..

https://snagf.forumbee.com/
the format is terrible. It this running on the yahoo answer engine?

That geonaf forum seems to be the most active one...not counting here, that is.
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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5914 on: October 22, 2017, 10:04:02 AM »
the mods can all resign in a huff but every one of them knew the elf was a supercreepeer from way back.

btw. Did some of the mods really get doxxed or was that bullshit damage control?

why would you doubt it?
Why would you believe it? There hasn't been any evidence of that happening anywhere

Rman

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5915 on: October 22, 2017, 10:04:14 AM »
What about Slaent lol?

Clockwork

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5916 on: October 22, 2017, 10:05:21 AM »
Kinda crazy how it all went down.  Goes to show how poorly moderated that place was when your userbase can use just turn on you like that.  Tyler never really fostered a healthy, collaborative culture in recent years.

Hey, he fostered that environment. Cater to ultra-Social Studies Warriors and they will turn on you the second they find out that you're not the paragon of virtue they imagined you to be.

Yeah, all he needed to do is say I was drunk, did dumb things, apologized. Let's move on.  It's funny how GAF became so puritanically unforgiving.

Oh gosh, don't say that. Next thing you know sobriety will be a requirement of the website. Let the purity tests begin!

I actually like Evilore.  He's obviously far from a perfect dude and has some issues with having an ultra thin skin.  But recent posts of his have shown that he knows where the site ended up and basically was not sure how to stop it.  But he created a Frankenstein monster that turned on him.

Also, I think Bish will be back to him salvage what's left. He was his closest bro on the site

Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).

Lothar

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5917 on: October 22, 2017, 10:05:59 AM »
I believe that it's a really big bummer that people grow up with pedophilic tendencies through no fault of their own. It sucks that we can never let them express their sexual needs

Hey, wow, we really are becoming Gaf 2.0.

This is like a NAMBLA opening speech.

Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5918 on: October 22, 2017, 10:06:48 AM »
Hello everyone, I hope to have some fair and balanced discussions here and make new friends such as etoilet and Jaydub

bork

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5919 on: October 22, 2017, 10:06:49 AM »
What about Slaent lol?

Their layout sucks.
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Widdle Puppy

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5920 on: October 22, 2017, 10:07:22 AM »
Kinda crazy how it all went down.  Goes to show how poorly moderated that place was when your userbase can use just turn on you like that.  Tyler never really fostered a healthy, collaborative culture in recent years.

Hey, he fostered that environment. Cater to ultra-Social Studies Warriors and they will turn on you the second they find out that you're not the paragon of virtue they imagined you to be.

Yeah, all he needed to do is say I was drunk, did dumb things, apologized. Let's move on.  It's funny how GAF became so puritanically unforgiving.

Oh gosh, don't say that. Next thing you know sobriety will be a requirement of the website. Let the purity tests begin!

I actually like Evilore.  He's obviously far from a perfect dude and has some issues with having an ultra thin skin.  But recent posts of his have shown that he knows where the site ended up and basically was not sure how to stop it.  But he created a Frankenstein monster that turned on him.

Also, I think Bish will be back to him salvage what's left. He was his closest bro on the site

Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

ModernBoxes

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5921 on: October 22, 2017, 10:08:21 AM »
oh.. this seems to be the most active new forum..

https://snagf.forumbee.com/
the format is terrible. It this running on the yahoo answer engine?

That geonaf forum seems to be the most active one...not counting here, that is.

The site is being tested and trolled while it still has no legs under it. Kinda funny to watch.

Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5922 on: October 22, 2017, 10:09:11 AM »
Opiate, explain what went down from your point of view (the events and circumstances leading up to your own demodding).

Frictions had been growing for some time: I had been growing distant, ideologically, from both Evilore and several of the admins for some time, and in ways that much of this forum might appreciate. Most specifically, I was concerned about the ideological purity the site was increasingly exhibiting, and I expressed how important it was to support and defend the rights of people you disagreed with, lest your community become an echo chamber. While most moderators agreed with the concept when expressed so abstractly, only a few were really interested in applying the principle when the rubber hit the road, so to speak.

The first major crack that got me in "trouble" was regarding a thread describing everyone living in the south as ignorant racist hicks, which a great number of members were piling on to. I suggested that these sorts of blanket statements about whole population groups were intellectually analogous to bigoted statements about protected groups such as blacks, women, or Jews, and this point did not go over well. I ended up having to ban several people for bigotry, and these were the first strongly contested bans of my tenure by other moderators, since they were highly sympathetic to those posters' viewpoints. (As a side note, I actually did not ban very often relative to many other moderators, as I did not believe disagreeing with me was itself sufficient grounds for moderator action. I tried to protect JayDubya, for example, who I see is now here, even though I rather vociferously disagree with a variety of his political positions.)

Another thread came along similar to the one described above, then another, and each time it seemed clear to me that a double standard was being applied and that I did not personally approve of. So when I finally engaged in a highly combustible topic like pedophilia, any leash I might have was already gone. Once the decision was made to demod me, I didn't really see any reason to stay around, so I immediately and summarily moved on with my life. 


nudemacusers

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5923 on: October 22, 2017, 10:09:13 AM »
Snagf

How do you even say that
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Nere

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5924 on: October 22, 2017, 10:09:55 AM »
Kinda crazy how it all went down.  Goes to show how poorly moderated that place was when your userbase can use just turn on you like that.  Tyler never really fostered a healthy, collaborative culture in recent years.

Hey, he fostered that environment. Cater to ultra-Social Studies Warriors and they will turn on you the second they find out that you're not the paragon of virtue they imagined you to be.

Yeah, all he needed to do is say I was drunk, did dumb things, apologized. Let's move on.  It's funny how GAF became so puritanically unforgiving.

Oh gosh, don't say that. Next thing you know sobriety will be a requirement of the website. Let the purity tests begin!

I actually like Evilore.  He's obviously far from a perfect dude and has some issues with having an ultra thin skin.  But recent posts of his have shown that he knows where the site ended up and basically was not sure how to stop it.  But he created a Frankenstein monster that turned on him.

Also, I think Bish will be back to him salvage what's left. He was his closest bro on the site

Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

All you had to say was that you voted for Trump and you would get banned.

Lothar

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5925 on: October 22, 2017, 10:10:04 AM »
Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

I got permabanned for having the opinion that the slogan was pretentious. 

This fucking shit right here.
"NeoGAF is a nexus of hardcore gamers, enthusiast press, and video game industry developers and publishers. This is a neutral ground where facts and evidence, presented within the confines of civil, inclusive discourse, prevail through careful moderation."

Clockwork

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5926 on: October 22, 2017, 10:11:07 AM »
for instance?

If you have to ask you're probably part of the cancer.

daycru

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5927 on: October 22, 2017, 10:13:21 AM »
The GAF defenders immediately coming here to vomit about Gamergate and Nazis(?) is proof of what that place does to your brain. Log off for a while.

ModernBoxes

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5928 on: October 22, 2017, 10:13:42 AM »


Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

I was banned for explaining to an OP that cuck is an insult intended to hurt feelings and he can't decide what words are used to insult him.

VomKriege

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5929 on: October 22, 2017, 10:14:30 AM »
Follow up for Opiate and last for me, reading your post mentioning the estrangement with the rest of the staff : Are you Russian ? :thinking
ὕβρις

Cascade

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5930 on: October 22, 2017, 10:15:11 AM »
Opiate, explain what went down from your point of view (the events and circumstances leading up to your own demodding).

Frictions had been growing for some time: I had been growing distant, ideologically, from both Evilore and several of the admins for some time, and in ways that much of this forum might appreciate. Most specifically, I was concerned about the ideological purity the site was increasingly exhibiting, and I expressed how important it was to support and defend the rights of people you disagreed with, lest your community become an echo chamber. While most moderators agreed with the concept when expressed so abstractly, only a few were really interested in applying the principle when the rubber hit the road, so to speak.

The first major crack that got me in "trouble" was regarding a thread describing everyone living in the south as ignorant racist hicks, which a great number of members were piling on to. I suggested that these sorts of blanket statements about whole population groups were intellectually analogous to bigoted statements about protected groups such as blacks, women, or Jews, and this point did not go over well. I ended up having to ban several people for bigotry, and these were the first strongly contested bans of my tenure by other moderators, since they were highly sympathetic to those posters' viewpoints. (As a side note, I actually did not ban very often relative to many other moderators, as I did not believe disagreeing with me was itself sufficient grounds for moderator action. I tried to protect JayDubya, for example, who I see is now here, even though I rather vociferously disagree with a variety of his political positions.)

Another thread came along similar to the one described above, then another, and each time it seemed clear to me that a double standard was being applied and that I did not personally approve of. So when I finally engaged in a highly combustible topic like pedophilia, any leash I might have was already gone. Once the decision was made to demod me, I didn't really see any reason to stay around, so I immediately and summarily moved on with my life.
Other than Amir0x and possibly evilore, which other mods do you think were paedophiles?

zomgbbqftw

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5931 on: October 22, 2017, 10:15:14 AM »
Why did you decide to be a pedophile?

Why did you hate the Wrestling community?

(that was you, right?)

I'm not a pedophile. I wasn't then, and I'm not now. Since leaving GAF, I have gotten married, and I love my wife dearly. It's worth noting that the thread I left GAF over was heavily redacted -- except for my posts, since I didn't feel obligated to rescind statements I still believed were reasonable -- which makes it difficult to read, since it's not clear what happened or what prompted my responses.

If you want a short response: I believe that it's a really big bummer that people grow up with pedophilic tendencies through no fault of their own. It sucks that we can never let them express their sexual needs (and to be clear, we really can't) the way we can let everybody else do so, and it must feel horrible to keep your sexual desires bottled up inside your entire life or else face (justifiable) persecution. It's a horrible life to be born in to.

One other point I made is that this discussion is so toxic, so emotionally driven for most people, that simply suggesting a shred of sympathy for pedophiles made people suspect you of being a pedophile yourself --  a point that was rather amply demonstrated by the response.

As for Wrestling GAF, I legitimately do not know where that sense came from. I had no particular issues with Wrestling GAF. It's possible that Wrestling GAF hated me, but I did not hate them.

You know why the discussion is charged and everyone hates paedos? Because they abuse children or encourage abuse by consuming the content created by child abusers. There is no shade of grey, you trying to create one or even showing sympathy to the bastards is disturbing.

TypicalVoatShitlord

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5932 on: October 22, 2017, 10:15:23 AM »
Man Tyler really shit the bedslipped butt-nekkid into the shower this time eh?  ;)

Looking forward to some quality entertainment from Opiate and Steve Youngblood swearing up and down they knew nothing about the Amir0x-ring (were not a member of the ring in Opiate's case)

Widdle Puppy

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5933 on: October 22, 2017, 10:15:42 AM »
for instance?

If you have to ask you're probably part of the cancer.
terrible reply

try providing evidence next time

Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5934 on: October 22, 2017, 10:16:17 AM »
I believe that it's a really big bummer that people grow up with pedophilic tendencies through no fault of their own. It sucks that we can never let them express their sexual needs

Hey, wow, we really are becoming Gaf 2.0.

This is like a NAMBLA opening speech.

Does NAMLBA also suggest that pedophilia should be illegal and that people who indulge their tendencies should be put in jail? Is that also in their handbook? Because those are things I also believe.

It seems to be difficult for some people to keep two conflicting thoughts in their head simultaneously, so I'll create a simple analogy for the sake of clarity: imagine someone steals food from a grocery store. Is that it illegal? Yes. Should that person go to jail? Probably. But what if they were penniless and starving, or had starving children at home? Well, they still need to go to jail, because it's still wrong and the law is straightforward. But surely you'd have some sympathy, too, because desperate people often do bad things.

It's possible to 1) suggest that pedophiles go to jail if they act on their tendencies but 2) boy, that's a super crappy hand to get in dealt in life, and believe both at the same time.


Coax

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5935 on: October 22, 2017, 10:16:28 AM »
NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

Guess all this slipped by without noticing, huh.

Durante banned for calling a clueless poster on gaming side over a technical graphics post an idiot. User permabanned for saying GAF has the 'worst opinions on the internet', with a ban message saying 'suck my dick' (which mod could that have been...hmm)—not the only perma that day with the same ban message. Lore banned a user over a reasonable discussion because they questioned his knowledge of Tupac of all things. There are plenty of examples of unreasonable and uncalled for bans over trivial shit.

And yea, I kept such 'receipts' for posters who'd ask things like this since they expect you have none.

Masquerader

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5936 on: October 22, 2017, 10:17:10 AM »
This must have been what it was like when WCW died...

zomgee

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5937 on: October 22, 2017, 10:17:28 AM »
Opiate, explain what went down from your point of view (the events and circumstances leading up to your own demodding).

Frictions had been growing for some time: I had been growing distant, ideologically, from both Evilore and several of the admins for some time, and in ways that much of this forum might appreciate. Most specifically, I was concerned about the ideological purity the site was increasingly exhibiting, and I expressed how important it was to support and defend the rights of people you disagreed with, lest your community become an echo chamber. While most moderators agreed with the concept when expressed so abstractly, only a few were really interested in applying the principle when the rubber hit the road, so to speak.

The first major crack that got me in "trouble" was regarding a thread describing everyone living in the south as ignorant racist hicks, which a great number of members were piling on to. I suggested that these sorts of blanket statements about whole population groups were intellectually analogous to bigoted statements about protected groups such as blacks, women, or Jews, and this point did not go over well. I ended up having to ban several people for bigotry, and these were the first strongly contested bans of my tenure by other moderators, since they were highly sympathetic to those posters' viewpoints. (As a side note, I actually did not ban very often relative to many other moderators, as I did not believe disagreeing with me was itself sufficient grounds for moderator action. I tried to protect JayDubya, for example, who I see is now here, even though I rather vociferously disagree with a variety of his political positions.)

Another thread came along similar to the one described above, then another, and each time it seemed clear to me that a double standard was being applied and that I did not personally approve of. So when I finally engaged in a highly combustible topic like pedophilia, any leash I might have was already gone. Once the decision was made to demod me, I didn't really see any reason to stay around, so I immediately and summarily moved on with my life.

Well one thing is true.

You're Opiate all right.
rub

Widdle Puppy

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5938 on: October 22, 2017, 10:17:54 AM »


Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

I was banned for explaining to an OP that cuck is an insult intended to hurt feelings and he can't decide what words are used to insult him.
so you were calling him a cuck?

fistfulofmetal

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #5939 on: October 22, 2017, 10:18:14 AM »
I got banned once for disagreeing with the owner of the site on the subject of ads  :win
nat