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Propagandhim

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6060 on: October 22, 2017, 11:07:24 AM »
Kinda crazy how it all went down.  Goes to show how poorly moderated that place was when your userbase can use just turn on you like that.  Tyler never really fostered a healthy, collaborative culture in recent years.

Hey, he fostered that environment. Cater to ultra-Social Studies Warriors and they will turn on you the second they find out that you're not the paragon of virtue they imagined you to be.

Yeah, all he needed to do is say I was drunk, did dumb things, apologized. Let's move on.  It's funny how GAF became so puritanically unforgiving.

Oh gosh, don't say that. Next thing you know sobriety will be a requirement of the website. Let the purity tests begin!

I actually like Evilore.  He's obviously far from a perfect dude and has some issues with having an ultra thin skin.  But recent posts of his have shown that he knows where the site ended up and basically was not sure how to stop it.  But he created a Frankenstein monster that turned on him.

Also, I think Bish will be back to him salvage what's left. He was his closest bro on the site

Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

All you had to say was that you voted for Trump and you would get banned.
good

Did you ever hear of that? "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", it's your way of thinking that creates an echo chamber with only way of thinking and it seems you are carrying your awesome way of thinking here too.

Have you ever heard of the paradox "In order for there to be peace you have to be prepared for war?" Or "In order for there to be tolerance, the tolerable must be intolerant of the intolerable?" Why on earth should should one defend the rights of another who is actively advocating for the former's demise? Tolerance of all speech isn't some moral law, it's a social contract that's relative to the situation as long as everyone abides by it. If someone is associating with or, if brazenly enough cause it's 2017 and look who is president, advocating for the destruction and oppression of another of course you're going to get attacked for it.

Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

Oh boy, you're going to hate it here.

Olivia Wilde Homo

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6061 on: October 22, 2017, 11:08:08 AM »
http://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news/neogaf-offline-amidst-sex-assault-allegations-against-owner-w509871

WELP.

LOL, Evilore is truly fucked now.  Had he issued his bullshit "statement", he probably could have stemmed things off a bit.  Not anymore.  Now I really do doubt that NeoGAF will ever come back up unless it's with a different owner.
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pj

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6062 on: October 22, 2017, 11:08:18 AM »
Have you ever heard of the paradox "In order for there to be peace you have to be prepared for war?" Or "In order for there to be tolerance, the tolerable must be intolerant of the intolerable?" Why on earth should should one defend the rights of another who is actively advocating for the former's demise? Tolerance of all speech isn't some moral law, it's a social contract that's relative to the situation as long as everyone abides by it. If someone is associating with or, if brazenly enough cause it's 2017 and look who is president, advocating for the destruction and oppression of another of course you're going to get attacked for it.

Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

You are why gaf sucked

Himu

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6063 on: October 22, 2017, 11:08:27 AM »
sorry if this has been covered in the last 50+ pages, but is gaf just permanently down now? I kept up with several of the fighting game threads there and I would like at least enough access to find out where key people end up migrating to.

Check discord
IYKYK

bork

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6064 on: October 22, 2017, 11:08:45 AM »
What did Tyler do all day?  I'm not asking this rhetorically, I'm genuinely curious.  Never updated the forum infrastructure and software, never fixed the malicious ads, didn't pay out any contractors for moderation or maintenance, used Gromph for database shit which he did for free....

How did he fill those 180 hour work weeks?

Travel the world, grabbing asses and winning 1000 fights?
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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6065 on: October 22, 2017, 11:09:03 AM »
So did anything meaningful happen in this thread while I was asleep?
dog

bork

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6066 on: October 22, 2017, 11:09:09 AM »
sorry if this has been covered in the last 50+ pages, but is gaf just permanently down now? I kept up with several of the fighting game threads there and I would like at least enough access to find out where key people end up migrating to.

Check discord

Which discord, though?
ど助平

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6067 on: October 22, 2017, 11:09:55 AM »
Her position was anti-pedo and anti-molestation. It’s the only valid one. There’s no debate here, freak.

Again, this might be an unresolvable point of disagreement, here. I am personally less concerned with someone's conclusionsand far more concerned with the manner by which they reach those conclusions and how they convey them.

One constant point of frustration for me -- both on the internet forums I have moderated and in real life -- is that people have difficulty believing I agree with their conclusions but not their methods, or the basis upon which they reached those conclusions.

This was one of my biggest problems with GAF, you were allowed to be the biggest asshole as long as you had the right opinion.

Consistently banning shitty people would have made the site tolerable even if it would have still been an echo chamber

Olivia Wilde Homo

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6068 on: October 22, 2017, 11:09:55 AM »
So did anything meaningful happen in this thread while I was asleep?

Rolling Stone posted a story about this, no statement has been issued, people are creating new forums that will likely be shut down in weeks.
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Widdle Puppy

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6069 on: October 22, 2017, 11:09:57 AM »
Have you ever heard of the paradox "In order for there to be peace you have to be prepared for war?" Or "In order for there to be tolerance, the tolerable must be intolerant of the intolerable?" Why on earth should should one defend the rights of another who is actively advocating for the former's demise? Tolerance of all speech isn't some moral law, it's a social contract that's relative to the situation as long as everyone abides by it. If someone is associating with or, if brazenly enough cause it's 2017 and look who is president, advocating for the destruction and oppression of another of course you're going to get attacked for it.

Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

So my cancer statement was accurate then? At least have some friggin self awareness. NeoGAF is where it is today because of people having the mindset you do.
You say that like it's a bad thing but I am fine with that.

If the site has to end because the mods wouldn't tolerate it's scumbag harassing owner so be it.

Nintex

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6070 on: October 22, 2017, 11:10:04 AM »
When I got banned like in 2009 or 2010, shit posting was posting stuff like: "The textures suck" in a Halo beta thread and Evilore would give you an earful about how to properly conduct yourself on an internet forum.

Or posting stuff like: "Sinterklaas isn't racist I've celebrated this since pre school" and Bish would post something like: "'sup". Some idiots would say: "ohhh shi" and he'd ban a few people.

Now half of the threads were filled with circle jerks about Clinton and PlayStation. Milkshake ducks, Mary Sue's and whatever the fuck the buzzword of the season was.
Daily moaning about how depressing everything/the world is because Trump somehow got elected despite them being the 5th referral for the Clinton website. Taking the: "Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a Nazi" argument to the limit.

NeoGAF had become completely toxic that's why it won't return. The old mods don't have to bother either. First they covered for a convicted pedophile, than they covered for Evilore. Not to mention they stood by as the place was taken over by hysteric nincompoops crying about how not everyone agrees with them. Members who actually knew shit about what was going on behind the scenes in the industry (or how games are developed in the first place) had already left over the years. People who made great jokes and non-PR firm sanctioned OT's banned.

The VP of Xbox is pissing and dancing on the grave. You can hear champagne bottles opening at publishers and developers alike.

Ding dong the Echo Chamber is dead.
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Propagandhim

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6071 on: October 22, 2017, 11:10:31 AM »
So did anything meaningful happen in this thread while I was asleep?

It wasn't Opiate's flickr




i got nothin'

Great Rumbler

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6072 on: October 22, 2017, 11:10:39 AM »
So did anything meaningful happen in this thread while I was asleep?

Rolling Stone posted a story about this, no statement has been issued, people are creating new forums that will likely be shut down in weeks.

So...no.
dog

Nere

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6073 on: October 22, 2017, 11:10:51 AM »
Kinda crazy how it all went down.  Goes to show how poorly moderated that place was when your userbase can use just turn on you like that.  Tyler never really fostered a healthy, collaborative culture in recent years.

Hey, he fostered that environment. Cater to ultra-Social Studies Warriors and they will turn on you the second they find out that you're not the paragon of virtue they imagined you to be.

Yeah, all he needed to do is say I was drunk, did dumb things, apologized. Let's move on.  It's funny how GAF became so puritanically unforgiving.

Oh gosh, don't say that. Next thing you know sobriety will be a requirement of the website. Let the purity tests begin!

I actually like Evilore.  He's obviously far from a perfect dude and has some issues with having an ultra thin skin.  But recent posts of his have shown that he knows where the site ended up and basically was not sure how to stop it.  But he created a Frankenstein monster that turned on him.

Also, I think Bish will be back to him salvage what's left. He was his closest bro on the site

Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

All you had to say was that you voted for Trump and you would get banned.
good

Did you ever hear of that? "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", it's your way of thinking that creates an echo chamber with only way of thinking and it seems you are carrying your awesome way of thinking here too.

Have you ever heard of the paradox "In order for there to be peace you have to be prepared for war?" Or "In order for there to be tolerance, the tolerable must be intolerant of the intolerable?" Why on earth should should one defend the rights of another who is actively advocating for the former's demise? Tolerance of all speech isn't some moral law, it's a social contract that's relative to the situation as long as everyone abides by it. If someone is associating with or, if brazenly enough cause it's 2017 and look who is president, advocating for the destruction and oppression of another of course you're going to get attacked for it.

Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

What war? Do you see any war around? How was the Neogaf community openly left? Was it written somewhere in the TOS that middle or right members aren't tolerated? You are delusional. Neogaf was a gaming forum which was ruined by politics.

Himu

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6074 on: October 22, 2017, 11:11:10 AM »
sorry if this has been covered in the last 50+ pages, but is gaf just permanently down now? I kept up with several of the fighting game threads there and I would like at least enough access to find out where key people end up migrating to.

Check discord

Which discord, though?

There's a neogaf discord with an fgc section and fghq discord
IYKYK

exGAF

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6075 on: October 22, 2017, 11:11:49 AM »
Basically, the only way a rational, intelligent person could avoid being banned from NeoGAF for long stretches was to fall in line and knuckle down or to pretend. Which is no way to have a meaningful discourse.

Lothar

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6076 on: October 22, 2017, 11:12:29 AM »
sorry if this has been covered in the last 50+ pages, but is gaf just permanently down now? I kept up with several of the fighting game threads there and I would like at least enough access to find out where key people end up migrating to.

Check discord

Which discord, though?

There's a neogaf discord with an fgc section and fghq discord

How do you get in there?

omensetter

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6077 on: October 22, 2017, 11:12:43 AM »
Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

 :woody

Neogaf community’s leftness is as fake as Evilore.

hey now it's perfectly acceptable to get all your political opinions from memes, Samantha Bee and Hamilton.
GAF's aggressive centrism was matched only by its self-righteousness and the need to be more woke than the other guy.

Eteric

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6078 on: October 22, 2017, 11:12:47 AM »
I was Eteric Rice on NeoGAF. I still don't even know why I was banned.

It's pretty crazy. I'm a liberal and even I cringed at the place more often than not. They really lost their minds when Trump won.

hungrynoob

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6079 on: October 22, 2017, 11:13:20 AM »
Kinda crazy how it all went down.  Goes to show how poorly moderated that place was when your userbase can use just turn on you like that.  Tyler never really fostered a healthy, collaborative culture in recent years.

Hey, he fostered that environment. Cater to ultra-Social Studies Warriors and they will turn on you the second they find out that you're not the paragon of virtue they imagined you to be.

Yeah, all he needed to do is say I was drunk, did dumb things, apologized. Let's move on.  It's funny how GAF became so puritanically unforgiving.

Oh gosh, don't say that. Next thing you know sobriety will be a requirement of the website. Let the purity tests begin!

I actually like Evilore.  He's obviously far from a perfect dude and has some issues with having an ultra thin skin.  But recent posts of his have shown that he knows where the site ended up and basically was not sure how to stop it.  But he created a Frankenstein monster that turned on him.

Also, I think Bish will be back to him salvage what's left. He was his closest bro on the site

Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

All you had to say was that you voted for Trump and you would get banned.
good

Did you ever hear of that? "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", it's your way of thinking that creates an echo chamber with only way of thinking and it seems you are carrying your awesome way of thinking here too.

Have you ever heard of the paradox "In order for there to be peace you have to be prepared for war?" Or "In order for there to be tolerance, the tolerable must be intolerant of the intolerable?" Why on earth should should one defend the rights of another who is actively advocating for the former's demise? Tolerance of all speech isn't some moral law, it's a social contract that's relative to the situation as long as everyone abides by it. If someone is associating with or, if brazenly enough cause it's 2017 and look who is president, advocating for the destruction and oppression of another of course you're going to get attacked for it.

Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

Google Daryl Davis that man shits all over "the tolerant must be intolerant of the intolerant". Neogaf was free to do what they want, but they redefine people intentions without sufficient evidence and only because they have differing opinions, it might keep unwanted people out. But it also breeds ignorance and naivety, far be it for me to tell you how to live your life - but for there to be any progress compassion and understanding needs to be the path, not separation and isolation.

TypicalVoatShitlord

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6080 on: October 22, 2017, 11:14:10 AM »
So did anything meaningful happen in this thread while I was asleep?

It wasn't Opiate's flickr

...according to Opiate

Himu

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6081 on: October 22, 2017, 11:14:34 AM »
If you want access to the fg discords for the sake of fg love pm me and I'll get back to you. Going back to zzz
IYKYK

Partition

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6082 on: October 22, 2017, 11:14:51 AM »
this geonaf forum is a disaster, I do not recommend joining

toku

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6083 on: October 22, 2017, 11:14:56 AM »
So did anything meaningful happen in this thread while I was asleep?

Rolling Stone posted a story about this, no statement has been issued, people are creating new forums that will likely be shut down in weeks.

wastingyourlife is still around, bless up  :P

Lothar

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6084 on: October 22, 2017, 11:15:52 AM »
I was Eteric Rice on NeoGAF. I still don't even know why I was banned.

It's pretty crazy. I'm a liberal and even I cringed at the place more often than not. They really lost their minds when Trump won.

Yes indeed.  https://www.reddit.com/r/the_meltdown/comments/5h167o/neogaf_election_day_hall_of_shame_and_tears/  I made this and even posted it on Neogaf. 

A little worried in retrospect about the posters wanting to sleep in their kids' rooms that night.


FStop7

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6085 on: October 22, 2017, 11:16:14 AM »
Call a place full of people attacking the ACLU “left”, brehs. :lol

Cory

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6086 on: October 22, 2017, 11:16:16 AM »
So did anything meaningful happen in this thread while I was asleep?

Rolling Stone posted a story about this, no statement has been issued, people are creating new forums that will likely be shut down in weeks.

wastingyourlife is still around, bless up  :P
I heard it’s good people there

exGAF

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6087 on: October 22, 2017, 11:17:05 AM »
this geonaf forum is a disaster, I do not recommend joining

That's because you are supposed to join exGAF.com

EVOL

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6088 on: October 22, 2017, 11:17:15 AM »
I think I realised GAF was truly fucked when that awful Ghostbusters Plinkett review thread came out

Probably should have realised that a lot earlier though

Himu

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6089 on: October 22, 2017, 11:17:45 AM »
Remember when ACLU was defending alt right fucks right to protest and gaffers said the organization was now alt right/Nazi supporters?
IYKYK

Joseph

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6090 on: October 22, 2017, 11:18:32 AM »
So.... I see I a lot people mention the whole Besada PM thing that happened. Can someone explain to me what exactly happened? While I have (had?) an account on Gaf, I rarely posted and was not involved in any forum drama.

Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6091 on: October 22, 2017, 11:19:15 AM »
Opiate was I in your top 10 favorite posters?

Please consider this question carefully, I have my systems of self worth tied to this answer.

Sure, then.

Widdle Puppy

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6092 on: October 22, 2017, 11:19:34 AM »
Meh, maybe yall were bothered by it but I was fine with the hardline political slant the site took.

It being the downfall of the site is more incidental that pivotal however. The fact that there isn't any line of succession or anything holding the site together other than the owner means RIP.

Oh well. It was a great site while it lasted.

nudemacusers

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6093 on: October 22, 2017, 11:21:27 AM »
Opiate was I in your top 10 favorite posters?

Please consider this question carefully, I have my systems of self worth tied to this answer.

Sure, then.
This doesn’t strike me as well-considered but I’ll take it :rejoice
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Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6094 on: October 22, 2017, 11:21:35 AM »
Holy fuck. Stop with the long quotes.

True story: when a GAF moderator, while I really liked the cleanness of the posts, I also felt at times one might want to see the quote chained that spawned some post 1,000 posts in to a long thread without having to backtrack. I proposed have a small tab at the top of posts which was default-minimized but which, if one preferred, one could click and the entire quote chain would pop up to give you more context of a conversation. I'm not sure if that idea was not logistically feasible or if nobody agreed, but clearly it never happened.

ileflottante

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6095 on: October 22, 2017, 11:21:36 AM »
Basically, the only way a rational, intelligent person could avoid being banned from NeoGAF for long stretches was to fall in line and knuckle down or to pretend. Which is no way to have a meaningful discourse.

This was the same with me. Like opiate was talking about earlier, even if you hold pretty much the same position as another person, just wording something slightly differently could see your ass banned. I didn't pay much attention to GAF dying until Stump left. All my dealings with Stump were level headed. I was permed unjustly once as my ip address was similar to some person with numerous alts. The ban message was like we don't allow alt accounts and I was permed. I was able to reach Stump and in his digging he was able to see that it was bullshit and reversed it.

Joe Molotov

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headwalk

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6097 on: October 22, 2017, 11:23:02 AM »
Meh, maybe yall were bothered by it but I was fine with the hardline political slant the site took.

It being the downfall of the site is more incidental that pivotal however. The fact that there isn't any line of secession or anything holding the site together other than the owner means RIP.

Oh well. It was a great site while it lasted.

if you miss it i'm sure you can replicate the experience by buying a bucket from the nearest hardware store and screaming your most boring convictions into it.


hungrynoob

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6099 on: October 22, 2017, 11:23:36 AM »
If it makes you feel any better I was never in anyones top10 posters list.

Mr Gilhaney

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6100 on: October 22, 2017, 11:23:39 AM »
I can't believe fucking rollingstone has an article about evilore being a creep. I honestly can't wrap my head around that.

CrankyJay

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6101 on: October 22, 2017, 11:24:22 AM »
Kinda crazy how it all went down.  Goes to show how poorly moderated that place was when your userbase can use just turn on you like that.  Tyler never really fostered a healthy, collaborative culture in recent years.

Hey, he fostered that environment. Cater to ultra-Social Studies Warriors and they will turn on you the second they find out that you're not the paragon of virtue they imagined you to be.

Yeah, all he needed to do is say I was drunk, did dumb things, apologized. Let's move on.  It's funny how GAF became so puritanically unforgiving.

Oh gosh, don't say that. Next thing you know sobriety will be a requirement of the website. Let the purity tests begin!

I actually like Evilore.  He's obviously far from a perfect dude and has some issues with having an ultra thin skin.  But recent posts of his have shown that he knows where the site ended up and basically was not sure how to stop it.  But he created a Frankenstein monster that turned on him.

Also, I think Bish will be back to him salvage what's left. He was his closest bro on the site

Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

All you had to say was that you voted for Trump and you would get banned.
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Did you ever hear of that? "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", it's your way of thinking that creates an echo chamber with only way of thinking and it seems you are carrying your awesome way of thinking here too.

Have you ever heard of the paradox "In order for there to be peace you have to be prepared for war?" Or "In order for there to be tolerance, the tolerable must be intolerant of the intolerable?" Why on earth should should one defend the rights of another who is actively advocating for the former's demise? Tolerance of all speech isn't some moral law, it's a social contract that's relative to the situation as long as everyone abides by it. If someone is associating with or, if brazenly enough cause it's 2017 and look who is president, advocating for the destruction and oppression of another of course you're going to get attacked for it.

Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

Eat a dick.

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« Reply #6102 on: October 22, 2017, 11:24:44 AM »
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/922117461876531200

Remember when GAF banned Kotaku? Kotaku going to be the one to give the coup de grace.

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« Reply #6103 on: October 22, 2017, 11:26:00 AM »
So.... I see I a lot people mention the whole Besada PM thing that happened. Can someone explain to me what exactly happened? While I have (had?) an account on Gaf, I rarely posted and was not involved in any forum drama.

There is picture and archive evidence, but the gist of it is that beefsoda showed favouritism towards certain posters and worked very hard to ensure others were banned as quickly as possible.

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6105 on: October 22, 2017, 11:27:14 AM »
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/922117461876531200

This must be very hard for him to hear for the first time ever. No one ever told him about Evilore before

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« Reply #6106 on: October 22, 2017, 11:27:28 AM »
I also advocated on the gaming side for intellectual diversity: namely, I thought the site exhibited clear biases and preferences for certain platforms and game types, and I wanted more people with different viewpoints to be included. Even if that meant letting a Farmville gamer be a mod, or something. Virtually all of us (including me) were PC gamers first and foremost, and the few exceptions were primarily Sony gamers by the end.

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« Reply #6108 on: October 22, 2017, 11:28:17 AM »
While I never liked Opiate as a moderator, I feel like the accusations against him were always kind of weak. His defense of pedophilia was creepy and weird, but I still think harsh to call him a pedophile just from that and some random flickr account. Same for Beseda who was no doubt a piece of shit, but no real evidence towards him being a pedo as so many enjoy stating.

Edit: Oh is that actually Opiate on here?

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« Reply #6109 on: October 22, 2017, 11:29:16 AM »
Call a place full of people attacking the ACLU “left”, brehs. :lol

Would you rather the term alt-left?  I realize that using the terms 'left' and 'right' can be broad and meaningless in the current political landscape, but make no doubt that anti free speech rhetoric these days is coming squarely from the left.


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« Reply #6111 on: October 22, 2017, 11:30:23 AM »
Call a place full of people attacking the ACLU “left”, brehs. :lol

Would you rather the term alt-left?  I realize that using the terms 'left' and 'right' can be broad and meaningless in the current political landscape, but make no doubt that anti free speech rhetoric these days is coming squarely from the left.

How bout Neo Puritans

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« Reply #6112 on: October 22, 2017, 11:30:51 AM »
A PSN account with the removed GAF avatars will probably be worth more than the site itself soon

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« Reply #6113 on: October 22, 2017, 11:30:53 AM »
Remember when ACLU was defending alt right fucks right to protest and gaffers said the organization was now alt right/Nazi supporters?
I also remember Evilore posting his donation to them for everyone to fawn over before that all started. Hilarious time.

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« Reply #6114 on: October 22, 2017, 11:31:32 AM »
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/922118626940878849

🤔

Isn’t Kotaku a sister site of jezebel?  If so the mental gymnastics in their heads must be off the chart.  Expose on Kotaku ignoring neogaf allegations, or stay silent to promote capitalist interests.  Oh my!

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« Reply #6115 on: October 22, 2017, 11:31:32 AM »
Remember when ACLU was defending alt right fucks right to protest and gaffers said the organization was now alt right/Nazi supporters?

The forum was on a downward trend but after Trump people lost their minds.

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« Reply #6116 on: October 22, 2017, 11:31:37 AM »
So.... I see I a lot people mention the whole Besada PM thing that happened. Can someone explain to me what exactly happened? While I have (had?) an account on Gaf, I rarely posted and was not involved in any forum drama.

There is picture and archive evidence, but the gist of it is that beefsoda showed favouritism towards certain posters and worked very hard to ensure others were banned as quickly as possible.

Is it about how he purposefully did not ban people for bannable offenses because they were women/POC and the "young, white, male demographic" needed to hear their voices? If so I found it.


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« Reply #6118 on: October 22, 2017, 11:32:00 AM »
Schrier's comments seem correct, to me. I think some of you are missing how this got ignored: not because no one had heard it before, but because we hear so many things that knowing which are real and which aren't is difficult. I'm sure in any comment section, Evilore is called a Nazi but also a communist; a great leader but also an asshole; a person who sexually assaults women but also a pedophile. It isn't that they haven't heard this stuff before -- it's that someone in Evilore's position has been accused of basically everything, so knowing which accusations have real meat and which do not can be difficult.

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