Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[exGAF]

Jesus you can post it here:

https://imgur.com/gallery/TkpY3

You won't get banned.

The funny thing about this is, Evilore instantly perma-banned people who he didn't agree with lots of times. Completely arbitrary. You rubbed him the wrong way? Gone. So who cares what internal rules there were.

[FStop7]

Remember when ACLU was defending alt right fucks right to protest and gaffers said the organization was now alt right/Nazi supporters?

The forum was on a downward trend but after Trump people lost their minds.

I hate Trump more than I hate almost anybody else, but I was consistently blown away with how large parts of GAF were unable to accept that part of the reason why he won is because Hillary sucked, the Democrats sucked, and they didn't do enough for the people of the US. It was flat-out denial, and if they actually channeled their vitrol into something useful, they'd be pretty damned good centre politicians, instead of useless annoying forum commentators.

 

You’re about to meet Mr. Jack Remington

spoiler (click to show/hide)

you’re correct, though

[close]

[trh]

It's pathetic seeing so many people act like this justifies their own personal reasons for hating gaf. It's an internet forum.

[agrajag]

I hate how quick this thread moves now.

Go back to GAF all you filthy immigrants, murderers and rapists.

 

And yes, we have trump smileys here

 

[zomgbbqftw]

So.... I see I a lot people mention the whole Besada PM thing that happened. Can someone explain to me what exactly happened? While I have (had?) an account on Gaf, I rarely posted and was not involved in any forum drama.

There is picture and archive evidence, but the gist of it is that beefsoda showed favouritism towards certain posters and worked very hard to ensure others were banned as quickly as possible.

Is it about how he purposefully did not ban people for bannable offenses because they were women/POC and the "young, white, male demographic" needed to hear their voices? If so I found it.

Yeah that's the one.

Jesus you can post it here:

https://imgur.com/gallery/TkpY3

You won't get banned.

Just couldn't find it, not scared of getting banned lol.

[Joseph]

Of course, another aspect of Poligaf that really frustrated me is how Sanders supporters were treated during the primary. Given that Gaf was heavily liberally slanted (which I am also very liberal), the vast majority of the board were either Hillary or Sanders supporters and as a result, Democratic primary threads were pretty popular. However, these were not at all civil threads. Sanders supporters were dogpiled, labeled racist, said to be almost as bad as Trump supporters, and of course sexist. As a matter of fact, many made this leap of logic: "This poster said that Sanders supporters were the smartest voters. The large majority of Sanders supporters are white. Therefore they are saying white people are the smartest. Racist!" And of course, you would be an evil Bernie Bro if you were not super enthusiastic supporter of Hillary. The whole charade disgusted me, as it was pretty clear a significant amount of the mod team were Hillary fans in the primary and looked the other way when people said some truly vile shit about anyone that supported Sanders without being banned while if a Sanders supporter said something similar, their name would be grayed out in no time.

I want to say that I planned on voting for Hillary when and if she was the primary winner because she was still better than Trump. I voted for her in the election, do not regret it, and would still prefer her over Trump even though I thought she was a terrible candidate. That being said, while I was utterly horrified by the night of November 8th, I at least thought this was going to bring a moment of clarity among Gaf. That Hillary was flawed. That people had serious reservations about Hillary that did not boil down to just sexism. In fact, there did seem to be a change of attitude for a few weeks! A lot of the "Yaas Queen!" Gaffers that were so pro-Hillary magically disappeared and there was a much more open discussion about her flawed candidacy. It was nice to see this going on and feel a little bit vindicated (in such shitty circumstances, but still). However, a month passed and eventually the circle-jerk commenced once again after a lot of the above mentioned hardcore Hillary supporters crawled out of the woodwork again after licking their wounds and once again did their circlejerk routine. And no one ended up learning anything.

[Bacon]

Why did you decide to be a pedophile?

Why did you hate the Wrestling community?

(that was you, right?)

I'm not a pedophile. I wasn't then, and I'm not now. Since leaving GAF, I have gotten married, and I love my wife dearly. It's worth noting that the thread I left GAF over was heavily redacted -- except for my posts, since I didn't feel obligated to rescind statements I still believed were reasonable -- which makes it difficult to read, since it's not clear what happened or what prompted my responses.

If you want a short response: I believe that it's a really big bummer that people grow up with pedophilic tendencies through no fault of their own. It sucks that we can never let them express their sexual needs (and to be clear, we really can't) the way we can let everybody else do so, and it must feel horrible to keep your sexual desires bottled up inside your entire life or else face (justifiable) persecution. It's a horrible life to be born in to.

One other point I made is that this discussion is so toxic, so emotionally driven for most people, that simply suggesting a shred of sympathy for pedophiles made people suspect you of being a pedophile yourself --  a point that was rather amply demonstrated by the response.

As for Wrestling GAF, I legitimately do not know where that sense came from. I had no particular issues with Wrestling GAF. It's possible that Wrestling GAF hated me, but I did not hate them.

Yeah, and I'm sure it's a total coincidence you also had a flickr account full of pictures of small children titled xxx, you fucking creep.

^^^

I have already responded to this question, but I suppose I will reiterate: not only is that not my Flickr account, I don't have a Flickr account, period. To my knowledge, I've never been to Flickr (although realistically it has probably passed my browser unbeknownst). I have no idea who that is and I have no idea why you are so convinced that it is me.

uh huh

Tell us more how age correlates to sexiness, bodhesatva.

[jorma]

Schrier's comments seem correct, to me. I think some of you are missing how this got ignored: not because no one had heard it before, but because we hear so many things that knowing which are real and which aren't is difficult. I'm sure in any comment section, Evilore is called a Nazi but also a communist; a great leader but also an asshole; a person who sexually assaults women but also a pedophile. It isn't that they haven't heard this stuff before -- it's that someone in Evilore's position has been accused of basically everything, so knowing which accusations have real meat and which do not can be difficult.

So you're not a pedophile?

One of the worst things about such accusations is that I have no real way to disprove it. I can say I'm not, but maybe I'm lying; I can tell you I'm now married to a full grown woman (Well, she's actually quite short, but she's also 30) , but maybe that's a cover; I could tell you I've never been arrested or charged or found with suspicious content, but perhaps that just means I haven't been caught yet.

If I could post something a little forward, I'd point out that I have of course watched pornography in my life, and that my inclinations in this regard definitely do not lean towards that sort of persuasion. The opposite, if anything.

Jesus Christ Opiate.
Just say "no fuckface i am not, and if you ever say that to me again i'll fuckin gut ya, okay?".
Like normal people do when people ask them that question. 

[Rman]

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/922118626940878849

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/586624589377175552

He never saw it, like nobody knew amirox

He knew about the incident in Spain it seems:

@jasonschreier
Only thing I had seen before Thursday was that gross post about Spain
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/922118200325586945

Don't know if there was more going around at that time?

Seems the Xbox dude was not talking about NeoGAF earlier, but football. Bad timing there:

@XboxQwik
@TattooedGamer83 Actually, Yankees losing but boy did this take a different direction. I expected a lot of Yankee fans to reply.
https://twitter.com/XboxQwik/status/922097678435041280

The valuation discussion earlier in this thread is interesting. A website these days is valued at about 1 or 2 times the yearly revenue. Forums less even considering the great risks of having no control over the content and users can jump ship at any time. Don't know the revenue he had, but considering the quality if banners, I doubt it was that much. Certainly not millions a year. Still don't understand why he stuck to those ads. Gaming OTs are read hundreds of thousands of times. Stick some affiliate links in there for users to buy through, get some deals going with shops, branch out to mailing or PM subscriptions with gaming offers, those kind of things. A game sale can be a few dollars, you need to do thousands of pageviews for that with the type of ads running. Plus, forum members use adblock a ton, wouldn't be surprised if the desktop traffic was 3/4 adblock or more considering the target audience.

Anyway, crazy events. Don't get what the delay is with that statement. He could have prevent like 90% of the fallout going right now by being pro-active with it when the details came out.

I'm just imagining some future romantic prospect of Evilore'Google his name and find all of... This.

I was thinking about this earlier while driving..

It's pretty fucking insane how this stuff is gonna be on the internet forever now.

I'd get a name change at this point.

Or move to Europe and file a 'please forget me'-request with Google in a few years.

Ybarra then retweeted boogie last tweet on the matter

He's been cheeky, but the subtext is there

Bullshit about the Yankees lol. They’re a young team.  No one is burning down anything.

[Mr. Nobody]

I have already responded to this question, but I suppose I will reiterate: not only is that not my Flickr account, I don't have a Flickr account, period. To my knowledge, I've never been to Flickr (although realistically it has probably passed my browser unbeknownst). I have no idea who that is and I have no idea why you are so convinced that it is me.

So you pretty much just stopped posting altogether for something that wasn't even yours.

Was that the best course of action your programming would allow?

[Scrooged]

Call a place full of people attacking the ACLU “left”, brehs.

Would you rather the term alt-left?  I realize that using the terms 'left' and 'right' can be broad and meaningless in the current political landscape, but make no doubt that anti free speech rhetoric these days is coming squarely from the left.

Nah, a lot of the extreme tumblr-esque left sure love policing every single thing you say and do but let's not act like your alt-right idiots aren't the same by running to their safe spaces and crying foul if someone dares shit on Nazis. Just look at how some reacted to the new Wolfenstein game.

I'm talking about being against the legal definition of free speech with respect to being anti-ACLU.  Political winds change, and i'm not saying that 'the right' can't do the same, but right now and in the recent past its factions on the left that are literally against free speech.  Saying that something shouldn't exist in a video game isn't the same thing, though I realize it's essentially going against the spirit of free speech. 

[Optimus]

Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

lol no it wasn't. Either you people are delusional or politically uneducated, people who shill for Hillary fucking Clinton aren't left, they're neoliberals.

Yep, that's the awesome magic trick the republican party managed to pull off. Making anything that isn't caricature far-right look like left-wing.

That's not the republican party's trick imo, rightwingers were always oblivious to actual politics and they always accused their opponents of being "hard left" or shit like that. That was Bill Clinton's fault who begun stirring the party straight towards neoliberalism to he point they're now more republican than 90's republicans with the exception of identity politics which they use as a tool to keep up appearances. A tool that horribly backfired on them when hey overused it and will continue to backfire.

People don't give a shit about a privileged rich fuck like Hillary Clinton pretending to be oppressed because she's a woman, they see right through that bullshit, they care about corporations and a spectacularly greedy ruling class pillaging their country for decades now. A ruling class the Clintons have a very cozy relationship with.

[Bananas]

Looks like the Bore is the next.

[Rufus]

I also advocated on the gaming side for intellectual diversity: namely, I thought the site exhibited clear biases and preferences for certain platforms and game types, and I wanted more people with different viewpoints to be included. Even if that meant letting a Farmville gamer be a mod, or something. Virtually all of us (including me) were PC gamers first and foremost, and the few exceptions were primarily Sony gamers by the end.

Is it true that Evilore had a Sony bias?

Oh man. Priorities, huh?

[Opiate]

One other point I made is that this discussion is so toxic, so emotionally driven for most people, that simply suggesting a shred of sympathy for pedophiles made people suspect you of being a pedophile yourself --  a point that was rather amply demonstrated by the response.

You told a victim of child sexual abuse to recuse herself from a conversation about child sexual abuse.

Fuck off and die you goddamn cylon.

So let's follow this through to the extreme state so perhaps you could see my position here (you don't have to agree, of course). Imagine someone who is a victim of child abuse coming in to a group of people discussing the issue, and saying "Fuck you asshole" to anyone who disagrees even modestly, and explicitly refuses to listen to evidence that counters their personal opinion on the issue.

Is that okay? Honest question, and we may simply disagree here. Maybe you feel that being the victim of child abuse offers one carte blanche to behave in any way they see fit when discussing the topic.

[SwolDic]

Why did you decide to be a pedophile?

Why did you hate the Wrestling community?

(that was you, right?)

I'm not a pedophile. I wasn't then, and I'm not now. Since leaving GAF, I have gotten married, and I love my wife dearly. It's worth noting that the thread I left GAF over was heavily redacted -- except for my posts, since I didn't feel obligated to rescind statements I still believed were reasonable -- which makes it difficult to read, since it's not clear what happened or what prompted my responses.

If you want a short response: I believe that it's a really big bummer that people grow up with pedophilic tendencies through no fault of their own. It sucks that we can never let them express their sexual needs (and to be clear, we really can't) the way we can let everybody else do so, and it must feel horrible to keep your sexual desires bottled up inside your entire life or else face (justifiable) persecution. It's a horrible life to be born in to.

One other point I made is that this discussion is so toxic, so emotionally driven for most people, that simply suggesting a shred of sympathy for pedophiles made people suspect you of being a pedophile yourself --  a point that was rather amply demonstrated by the response.

As for Wrestling GAF, I legitimately do not know where that sense came from. I had no particular issues with Wrestling GAF. It's possible that Wrestling GAF hated me, but I did not hate them.

Yeah, and I'm sure it's a total coincidence you also had a flickr account full of pictures of small children titled xxx, you fucking creep.

^^^

I have already responded to this question, but I suppose I will reiterate: not only is that not my Flickr account, I don't have a Flickr account, period. To my knowledge, I've never been to Flickr (although realistically it has probably passed my browser unbeknownst). I have no idea who that is and I have no idea why you are so convinced that it is me.

uh huh

Tell us more how age correlates to sexiness, bodhesatva.
(Image removed from quote.)

haha. age has nothing to do with sexiness. the rest of his post is right though.

not every attractive girl has a sex appeal.

[davepoobond]

is there even anyone to fix it

[tummyfat]

One other point I made is that this discussion is so toxic, so emotionally driven for most people, that simply suggesting a shred of sympathy for pedophiles made people suspect you of being a pedophile yourself --  a point that was rather amply demonstrated by the response.

You told a victim of child sexual abuse to recuse herself from a conversation about child sexual abuse.

Fuck off and die you goddamn cylon.

So let's follow this through to the extreme state so perhaps you could see my position here (you don't have to agree, of course). Imagine someone who is a victim of child abuse coming in to a group of people discussing the issue, and saying "Fuck you asshole" to anyone who disagrees even modestly, and explicitly refuses to listen to evidence that counters their personal opinion on the issue.

Is that okay? Honest question, and we may simply disagree here. Maybe you feel that being the victim of child abuse offers one carte blanche to behave in any way they see fit when discussing the topic.

Being a victim of any kind of abuse, whether real or imagined, gave you carte blanche to behave in any way you saw fit on neogaf in general - which was the entire problem.  Punch up, no punching down. Rules for thee and not for me

[Widdle Puppy]

https://twitter.com/pewdiepie/status/922092593592373248

It's pretty funny watching all of neogaf's former targets reveling in its demise

I have to admit, I never liked PDP but I subscribed after watching a few of his new vids about the constant witchhunting against him by these fucking loons. The guy is very different than he used to be a decade ago, I kind of like him now.

[nudemacusers]

(Image removed from quote.)

Looks like the Bore is the next.

A statement from Demi is coming. Please refrain from additional discussion on this topic until that time.

[agrajag]

What if Opiate always knew Ami was a pedo and was just being sympathetic to a friend

 

[Tasty]

One other point I made is that this discussion is so toxic, so emotionally driven for most people, that simply suggesting a shred of sympathy for pedophiles made people suspect you of being a pedophile yourself --  a point that was rather amply demonstrated by the response.

You told a victim of child sexual abuse to recuse herself from a conversation about child sexual abuse.

Fuck off and die you goddamn cylon.

So let's follow this through to the extreme state so perhaps you could see my position here (you don't have to agree, of course). Imagine someone who is a victim of child abuse coming in to a group of people discussing the issue, and saying "Fuck you asshole" to anyone who disagrees even modestly, and explicitly refuses to listen to evidence that counters their personal opinion on the issue.

Is that okay? Honest question, and we may simply disagree here. Maybe you feel that being the victim of child abuse offers one carte blanche to behave in any way they see fit when discussing the topic.

You're an idiot masquerading as an intellectual and a bigger creep than Evilore. Stop posting here.

[Bananas]

Looks like the Bore is the next.

[HaughtyFrank]

uh huh

Tell us more how age correlates to sexiness, bodhesatva.
(Image removed from quote.)

I'm not sure why that is considered to be an outrageous statement. You'd already have to have some bias against him to think that he means that this also applies to minors. That for example young actresses get picked all the time over old actresses in tons of movies is hard to miss

[Opiate]

I have already responded to this question, but I suppose I will reiterate: not only is that not my Flickr account, I don't have a Flickr account, period. To my knowledge, I've never been to Flickr (although realistically it has probably passed my browser unbeknownst). I have no idea who that is and I have no idea why you are so convinced that it is me.

So you pretty much just stopped posting altogether for something that wasn't even yours.

Was that the best course of action your programming would allow? (Image removed from quote.)

When I feel something is no longer worth my time (and in this case, that decision was forced), my "programming" happens to have one nice quirk: I am very capable of simply moving on. I do not feel the need to defend my "honor," or whatever you'd like to call it. I don't feel compelled to linger and reminisce.  I was done with GAF -- or GAF was done with me -- and I moved on. The fact that some guy thinks bad things about me somewhere is less relevant to me than it seems to be to some others (although I am hardly immune to peer pressure).

[Luxray]

is there even anyone to fix it

I've always fucking hated your avatar. 

I guess he took his ball and went home.

[Nabbis]

(Image removed from quote.)

Looks like the Bore is the next.

A statement from Demi is coming. Please refrain from additional discussion on this topic until that time.

Demi likes big dicks. I don't think there's anything to worry about.

[brobuzz]

Of course, another aspect of Poligaf that really frustrated me is how Sanders supporters were treated during the primary. Given that Gaf was heavily liberally slanted (which I am also very liberal), the vast majority of the board were either Hillary or Sanders supporters and as a result, Democratic primary threads were pretty popular. However, these were not at all civil threads. Sanders supporters were dogpiled, labeled racist, said to be almost as bad as Trump supporters, and of course sexist. As a matter of fact, many made this leap of logic: "This poster said that Sanders supporters were the smartest voters. The large majority of Sanders supporters are white. Therefore they are saying white people are the smartest. Racist!" And of course, you would be an evil Bernie Bro if you were not super enthusiastic supporter of Hillary. The whole charade disgusted me, as it was pretty clear a significant amount of the mod team were Hillary fans in the primary and looked the other way when people said some truly vile shit about anyone that supported Sanders without being banned while if a Sanders supporter said something similar, their name would be grayed out in no time.

I want to say that I planned on voting for Hillary when and if she was the primary winner because she was still better than Trump. I voted for her in the election, do not regret it, and would still prefer her over Trump even though I thought she was a terrible candidate. That being said, while I was utterly horrified by the night of November 8th, I at least thought this was going to bring a moment of clarity among Gaf. That Hillary was flawed. That people had serious reservations about Hillary that did not boil down to just sexism. In fact, there did seem to be a change of attitude for a few weeks! A lot of the "Yaas Queen!" Gaffers that were so pro-Hillary magically disappeared and there was a much more open discussion about her flawed candidacy. It was nice to see this going on and feel a little bit vindicated (in such shitty circumstances, but still). However, a month passed and eventually the circle-jerk commenced once again after a lot of the above mentioned hardcore Hillary supporters crawled out of the woodwork again after licking their wounds and once again did their circlejerk routine. And no one ended up learning anything.

GAF was literally the only major place on the internet that supported Hillary during the primaries.

[salva]

Good riddance. Fuck GAF. I was there as a member for nearly 10 years until bish permabanned during one of his racist tirades. Most of the mods there were terrible, including opiate.

[Bacon]

Why did you decide to be a pedophile?

Why did you hate the Wrestling community?

(that was you, right?)

I'm not a pedophile. I wasn't then, and I'm not now. Since leaving GAF, I have gotten married, and I love my wife dearly. It's worth noting that the thread I left GAF over was heavily redacted -- except for my posts, since I didn't feel obligated to rescind statements I still believed were reasonable -- which makes it difficult to read, since it's not clear what happened or what prompted my responses.

If you want a short response: I believe that it's a really big bummer that people grow up with pedophilic tendencies through no fault of their own. It sucks that we can never let them express their sexual needs (and to be clear, we really can't) the way we can let everybody else do so, and it must feel horrible to keep your sexual desires bottled up inside your entire life or else face (justifiable) persecution. It's a horrible life to be born in to.

One other point I made is that this discussion is so toxic, so emotionally driven for most people, that simply suggesting a shred of sympathy for pedophiles made people suspect you of being a pedophile yourself --  a point that was rather amply demonstrated by the response.

As for Wrestling GAF, I legitimately do not know where that sense came from. I had no particular issues with Wrestling GAF. It's possible that Wrestling GAF hated me, but I did not hate them.

Yeah, and I'm sure it's a total coincidence you also had a flickr account full of pictures of small children titled xxx, you fucking creep.

^^^

I have already responded to this question, but I suppose I will reiterate: not only is that not my Flickr account, I don't have a Flickr account, period. To my knowledge, I've never been to Flickr (although realistically it has probably passed my browser unbeknownst). I have no idea who that is and I have no idea why you are so convinced that it is me.

uh huh

Tell us more how age correlates to sexiness, bodhesatva.
(Image removed from quote.)

haha. age has nothing to do with sexiness. the rest of his post is right though.

not every attractive girl has a sex appeal.

Do you find it odd that there was a flickr account under Opiate's alt screen name full of suggestive pictures of small children coupled with his constant defense of pedophiles?

[Optimus]

https://twitter.com/pewdiepie/status/922092593592373248

It's pretty funny watching all of neogaf's former targets reveling in its demise

I have to admit, I never liked PDP but I subscribed after watching a few of his new vids about the constant witchhunting against him by these fucking loons. The guy is very different than he used to be a decade ago, I kind of like him now.

Oh no! He blurted out a bad word in a moment of frustration! HANG. HIM.
 

[El Babua]

Pewdiepie's like 90% of Youtube gaming personalities, just dicks and grifters.

[SwolDic]

Do you find it odd that there was a flickr account under Opiate's alt screen name full of suggestive pictures of small children coupled with his constant defense of pedophiles?

Did he? Doesn't surprise me. Like i said in a previous post most of those mods if not all were horrendous in all kinds of ways.

[Masquerader]

Remember when ACLU was defending alt right fucks right to protest and gaffers said the organization was now alt right/Nazi supporters?

The forum was on a downward trend but after Trump people lost their minds.

I hate Trump more than I hate almost anybody else, but I was consistently blown away with how large parts of GAF were unable to accept that part of the reason why he won is because Hillary sucked, the Democrats sucked, and they didn't do enough for the people of the US. It was flat-out denial, and if they actually channeled their vitrol into something useful, they'd be pretty damned good centre politicians, instead of useless annoying forum commentators.

 

You’re about to meet Mr. Jack Remington

spoiler (click to show/hide)

you’re correct, though

[close]

Dare I ask... Who is Jack Remington?

[FreeNudeLyleLanley]

Pewdiepie's like 90% of Youtube gaming personalities, just dicks and grifters.

Also like 90% of Youtube personalities, he is trash.

[Momo]

It should be pointed out that ROLLING STONE isn't covering this. Their user generated video game blog is. The same blog that has an article about why hippos are the best animals in Assassins Creed.

It's credited to Brian Crecente though

[Nintex]

Schrier's comments seem correct, to me. I think some of you are missing how this got ignored: not because no one had heard it before, but because we hear so many things that knowing which are real and which aren't is difficult. I'm sure in any comment section, Evilore is called a Nazi but also a communist; a great leader but also an asshole; a person who sexually assaults women but also a pedophile. It isn't that they haven't heard this stuff before -- it's that someone in Evilore's position has been accused of basically everything, so knowing which accusations have real meat and which do not can be difficult.

The Amirox thing should've been the final straw and an opportunity to make changes.
Here was a guy posting about doing hard drugs and banning people for offending pedophiles and that was all a o.k.

Evilore posted himself about his less than acceptable conduct in Spain and other places. In fact some European members called him out and he said: "You don't understand how girls party here".
I've been part of a mod/admin/editorial team myself on a voluntary basis and when someone is doing awful shit the word spreads fast. There was no way that there weren't huge red flags all over the place during the past 4 or 5 years.

You guys simply choose to ignore the signals.

[RowRow]

I wonder what Evilore's post-GAF career will be, does he even know how to do anything besides being the owner of a message board? Will the inevitable downgrade of his lifestyle make him spiral back into depression and gain weight again?

So many questions and so many possibilities

The one certainty is he probably will not make an statement, or at least a satisfying one.

[TakingBackSunday]

I think about now is good time to quit the internet

[Clockwork]

Also, who the fuck responds with 3 paragraphs to the question "are you a pedo"? You fucking weirdo.

I think Opiate is just trying to ride this NeoGAF dumpster fire to his advantage. If nobody gave a shit about a purported pedo before why do we care so much about what he has to say now? Just because he has some insider insight?

Probably jerking off in joy that he is getting positive attention.

F*ck that noise.

[Dougstyles]

Just poking my head up from the masses of newly washed ashore members.

Can't say I have any particular grudge against GAF, pretty sure I was "Junior culled" before I even got a single post off. I ended up being totes fine with that because I mainly browsed it for the news aggregation and little else. I'll miss that aspect of it tbh, it was the first thing I checked when I got up and the last thing I checked before bed. (And because I did that for years, I actually recognize tons of names and avatars here lol) I wanna say I had been lurking for at least a decade, I believe I registered in Middle-School which feels so long ago now. 

Don't think GAF would have kept me around for long anyway. I don't do bandwagons, FFXIII trilogy isn't that bad, and YAS QUEEN was a terrible meme. Japanese games are my favorite and I don't think shitting on their character design all the time constitutes actual discussion. Even though I'm left leaning myself I just couldn't wrap my head around GAF in the later years. Discourse fell by the wayside and staff didn't seem at all interested in encouraging actual debate or discussion. 90% of posts were a single line of agreement or disagreement, at least when it wasn't memes or inside jokes. Just yuck.

Anywho, with all the drama from yesterday shutting down GAF, I ended up turning to twitter for news and recognized some GAF names. One thing led to another and when I found the bore, I felt awkwardly compelled to register. I don't socialize much, no FB, tweets, or instawhatevers, I grew up in the 90's and early 2000's, traditional internet forums feel like a home of sorts, they're comforting in a nostalgic way. I'll probably hang out mostly in the gaming side, but since ya'll seem so chill maybe some OT discussion on the side won't be so eye-rolling here.

[single line of agreement]

[Sampdoria]

EmCeeGrammar was the best mod.

[Scrooged]

PDP rightfully got some flack for saying that word, but at the same time it's ridiculous how the rage against him got so over the top.  LITERALLY HITLER, right?

But what do I know. I'm just one of those filthy both-siders in cahoots with the Nazis.

[Rufus]

So let's follow this through to the extreme state so perhaps you could see my position here (you don't have to agree, of course). Imagine someone who is a victim of child abuse coming in to a group of people discussing the issue, and saying "Fuck you asshole" to anyone who disagrees even modestly, and explicitly refuses to listen to evidence that counters their personal opinion on the issue.

Is that okay? Honest question, and we may simply disagree here. Maybe you feel that being the victim of child abuse offers one carte blanche to behave in any way they see fit when discussing the topic.

Purely rationally, no, but we're far from purely rational creatures. Most people don't naturally assume a detached view on things such as you do. You've got to work with what you've got.

Kind of surprised you're tripping over this repeatedly, no hard feelings.

[Himu]

Faction is here. I want her to chime in and tell Opiate off so he can go back to Neverland.

[EightBitNate]

Also, who the fuck responds with 3 paragraphs to the question "are you a pedo"? You fucking weirdo.

Maybe I’m on the wrong side of this, but I think you guys should just drop the pedophile accusations. I know he’s definitely not handling it how I would, but just going off of what I know about him, this is pretty typical behavior. I don’t think he realizes his elaborate explanations for his views have the opposite effect in this case and actually confuses people more.

[Maiden Voyage]

The Amirox thing should've been the final straw and an opportunity to make changes.
Here was a guy posting about doing hard drugs and banning people for offending pedophiles and that was all a o.k.

Evilore posted himself about his less than acceptable conduct in Spain and other places. In fact some European members called him out and he said: "You don't understand how girls party here".
I've been part of a mod/admin/editorial team myself on a voluntary basis and when someone is doing awful shit the word spreads fast. There was no way that there weren't huge red flags all over the place during the past 4 or 5 years.

You guys simply choose to ignore the signals.

Piece of shit owner has piece of shit staff. No big shocker there.

[BrainFatigue]

OPIATE

We need to recap and get some shit straight.
You ARE Bodhesatva.
That IS your flickr account because it's tied to the same username and region you are in


Why do pedophiles feel the need to hide their true selves?
It's simply because you KNOW you are doing something wrong.


1. SHAMING VICTIMS OF ABUSE
Fiction posted on neoGAF about being sexually abused when she was a child.  You hopped into the thread to make sure people weren't mean to pedophiles.   Good work, pedo.

2. WORKING AT TOYS R US
you worked at Toys R Us to put yourself around kids.  You are famous for your posts about not being sure if you'd be able to control your sexual desires and then you INSISTED on working around kids. 

3.  YOUR FLICKR ACCOUNT
The account has 2 types of photos.  Naked and scantily clad kids in creepy lighting.   And then weird fetish stuff with adults in creepy lighting.
The ones with the little girls are titled 'XXX.jpg'.  Is this you trying to control your desires?


There are a hundred other red flags from your constant defense of pedophiles to your assertions that younger = more beautiful.
You even tried to defend pedophiles in here.

I'm watching MINDHUNTER on Netflix right now and you certainly seem like the Richard Speck type.
Disorganized and Disassociated.  Unable to connect to your own sick desires.

SEEK HELP

[Rahxephon91]

https://twitter.com/pewdiepie/status/922092593592373248

It's pretty funny watching all of neogaf's former targets reveling in its demise

I have to admit, I never liked PDP but I subscribed after watching a few of his new vids about the constant witchhunting against him by these fucking loons. The guy is very different than he used to be a decade ago, I kind of like him now.

Oh no! He blurted out a bad word in a moment of frustration! HANG. HIM.

[injusticeforall]

Also, who the fuck responds with 3 paragraphs to the question "are you a pedo"? You fucking weirdo.

Another issue with GAF, is the fact that it's a videogame forum - and the moderators and community acted as if the minutia of every issue must have an opinion exposed to it.

This may be a shocking revelation to some there, but, believe it or not you do NOT have to have an opinion on everything. In fact, you do not even need to harbor political or weird social discussions whatsoever. If I were running the site, years ago I would have taken it into an objective direction and blocked all political or social discussion.

No one from the American Psychiatric Association is going to quote a NeoGAF thread in the next DSM for opinions on pedophilia. And even if NeoGAF were as self important as some think it is, we'll all be buried or ash in 100 years anyway.

I think we can all agree on the fact child abuse is horrible, and should be reported to nearest precinct if needed. And that it's an unfortunate condition if someone is born attracted to children, but they have a choice in the matter to take action or not, or to get chemically castrated or not. Someone born with down syndrome, blindness, or any kind of impairment doesn't even have THAT option. Some should consider their priorities of sympathies and learn the fact you in fact, do not NEED to judge every single person or scenario.

[Forgotten A. Turnbuckle]

Why did you decide to be a pedophile?

Why did you hate the Wrestling community?

(that was you, right?)

I'm not a pedophile. I wasn't then, and I'm not now. Since leaving GAF, I have gotten married, and I love my wife dearly. It's worth noting that the thread I left GAF over was heavily redacted -- except for my posts, since I didn't feel obligated to rescind statements I still believed were reasonable -- which makes it difficult to read, since it's not clear what happened or what prompted my responses.

If you want a short response: I believe that it's a really big bummer that people grow up with pedophilic tendencies through no fault of their own. It sucks that we can never let them express their sexual needs (and to be clear, we really can't) the way we can let everybody else do so, and it must feel horrible to keep your sexual desires bottled up inside your entire life or else face (justifiable) persecution. It's a horrible life to be born in to.

One other point I made is that this discussion is so toxic, so emotionally driven for most people, that simply suggesting a shred of sympathy for pedophiles made people suspect you of being a pedophile yourself --  a point that was rather amply demonstrated by the response.

As for Wrestling GAF, I legitimately do not know where that sense came from. I had no particular issues with Wrestling GAF. It's possible that Wrestling GAF hated me, but I did not hate them.

Yeah, and I'm sure it's a total coincidence you also had a flickr account full of pictures of small children titled xxx, you fucking creep.

^^^

I have already responded to this question, but I suppose I will reiterate: not only is that not my Flickr account, I don't have a Flickr account, period. To my knowledge, I've never been to Flickr (although realistically it has probably passed my browser unbeknownst). I have no idea who that is and I have no idea why you are so convinced that it is me.

uh huh

Tell us more how age correlates to sexiness, bodhesatva.
(Image removed from quote.)

Why not highlight the face he said it correlates with women?
Unless you are into elder porn and think Madonna's just now entering the peak of her sexiness.
You've been here awhile but sound like you're still posting in a GAF witch hunting thread.
Nice try, Grandma fucker

[Nuitangg]

His responses are putting me in fucking coma on this fine Sunday morning.  Coffee ruined.

[BrainFatigue]

for the new page so pedopiate doesn't miss it


OPIATE

We need to recap and get some shit straight.
You ARE Bodhesatva.
That IS your flickr account because it's tied to the same username and region you are in


Why do pedophiles feel the need to hide their true selves?
It's simply because you KNOW you are doing something wrong.


1. SHAMING VICTIMS OF ABUSE
Fiction posted on neoGAF about being sexually abused when she was a child.  You hopped into the thread to make sure people weren't mean to pedophiles.   Good work, pedo.

2. WORKING AT TOYS R US
you worked at Toys R Us to put yourself around kids.  You are famous for your posts about not being sure if you'd be able to control your sexual desires and then you INSISTED on working around kids. 

3.  YOUR FLICKR ACCOUNT
The account has 2 types of photos.  Naked and scantily clad kids in creepy lighting.   And then weird fetish stuff with adults in creepy lighting.
The ones with the little girls are titled 'XXX.jpg'.  Is this you trying to control your desires?


There are a hundred other red flags from your constant defense of pedophiles to your assertions that younger = more beautiful.
You even tried to defend pedophiles in here.

I'm watching MINDHUNTER on Netflix right now and you certainly seem like the Richard Speck type.
Disorganized and Disassociated.  Unable to connect to your own sick desires.

SEEK HELP

[Transhuman]

Do you find it odd that there was a flickr account under Opiate's alt screen name full of suggestive pictures of small children coupled with his constant defense of pedophiles?

By that logic



Amirox can't possibly be a pedophile

[Luxray]

"GAF Gold".

[dridru]

Bullshit about the Yankees lol. They’re a young team.  No one is burning down anything.

Yeah, the timing is a bit too... coincidental.

[Rman]

Enough with the pedo stuff. Good God. Shut up. Go to VOAT if you want to talk about that stuff.

[zomgee]

here they come

[Nintendosbooger]

https://twitter.com/pewdiepie/status/922092593592373248

It's pretty funny watching all of neogaf's former targets reveling in its demise

I have to admit, I never liked PDP but I subscribed after watching a few of his new vids about the constant witchhunting against him by these fucking loons. The guy is very different than he used to be a decade ago, I kind of like him now.

Oh no! He blurted out a bad word in a moment of frustration! HANG. HIM.

You're the kind of trash that justifies neogaf's harsh moderation policy.

[Tasty]

Enough with the pedo stuff. Good God. Shut up. Go to VOAT if you want to talk about that stuff.

I'm not going to stop talking about it until Opiate is gone. Sorry not sorry.