Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[radioheadrule83]

Is the Euro incident the thing in some of the articles where some girl was like

"Hey buy me a drink"

and he was like

* ASS GRAB *

"That'll learn her"

[Opiate]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

Fuck off, pedo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

He was outed as a Pedo like you were, but by Mulder and Scully. Evilore did MariahCareyIDon'tKnowHer.gif and nuked any theads mentioning it.

[close]

No, seriously: Fuck off.

This doesn't really answer the question. I'm asking what the "hushing" was about.

what do you not get? Ami got arrested for kiddie porn, lore mad a brief post claiming to not know him like that, thread was locked shortly thereafter and almost every day after someone would reference it and like 6 people would go "wait what?"

I don't get the hushing since the only thing I know about it is that Amirox was pretty promptly permanently banned. That doesn't seem like hushing, to me.

Okay, for the last fucking time, mods closed and deleted every thread or mention of Amirox and banned (perma) any mention of the incident. It was hushed you dumb, fucking, robot.

Mods please change any and all Opiate posts to 010110101010 sequence if at all possible from henceforth for the love of GOD.

The confusion here comes from the fact that what you're describing is not what I think of as "hushing," but your definition is not wrong. I imagined the powers that be protecting Amirox from harm by preventing any talk of his criminal activities: instead, he was permanently banned. That sounds like "preventing people from talking about it because posters have not proven capable of discussing these issues like adults," but I can see how one might interpret that as hushing -- it just wasn't my initial inference.

[Billy Big Bollocks]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

This post of yours would get you perma-banned on NeoGAF if you'd posted it 2 days ago.

Thats part of it.  Couldn't so much as make a vague joke not even mentioning him by name.

you could definitely write about it recently, at least not everyone was getting banned at the mere mention of him. But it was obviously handled in such an awful way initially you still had people unaware of what was going up until last night even.

we all compartmentalize bad shit about things we like to avoid feeling uncomfortable, is the basic take of all the sexual assault stuff going on recently.

[CatsCatsCats]

Wait Vom you witnessed the Euro thing?

In what sense (isn't it wsippel who said that) ? Physically ? Nah.
I don't remember really. I have been aware  of the incident for quite some time. Maybe from the original post or shortly thereafter. I do think I read Lore's message about how he got scammed via the classic "escort bar billing champagne at obscene prices" in Turkey directly on GAF (if only because it is often less discussed).

All the nesting and fast pace of the thread prolly just confused me

[parallax]

now im starting to resent gafs collapse. dumbass fucking conversations featuring all sorts of dumbass posters and op-8 ball fondling?

too much. i kinda hope evilore makes another appearance

[Opiate]

suppose when I imagine labeling something as "hushing," I imagine a person getting away scott free and all reference to his bad behavior becoming verboten.

Put this into your data banks, beep boop: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hush #3, download it.

There's even a Buffy episode if you need to update your wordbanks to where "hush" means "quiet."

Yep, your definition is a perfectly acceptable one, it just wasn't my initial inference.

[Boredfrom]

Like I said earlier in this thread, any rational person (even without the new info coming to light) would have written this off as some socially distinguished mentally-challenged incident for which although slightly offensive and disgusting really isn't worth destroying EviLore over or nuking NeoGAF.

The problem is that the culture that has permeated over there is anything but rational and unfortunately EviLore is now paying the price for it.

I'd be perfectly fine if the site opened tomorrow with revised moderation. Hopefully it would also mean the virtue signaling shit tards that have that much of a problem problem with what happened (mah sexual assaaaault...reeeeee!) stay away as well.

tbqhfam, I think had Evilore been open and honest about this, the drama would have ended then and there.  "I fucked up, I'm sorry" would have been enough.  However he is such a fucktard that he created a convoluted story about cults and love triangles instead.  Then it was too late for him to issue a statement at all and now a few media outlets are reporting on it.  A half assed mea culpa could have ended all of it but that would mean Evilore would have to show empathy and self awareness, which he has neither of those.  Shit, he wouldn't have even needed to step down or go to "rehab."  Not posting a couple of sentences cost him millions of dollars of lost passive income.

Or alternate theory: Evilore has done this to other girls and was freaking out that others would come forward so he decided to flee until the whole thing blows over

Your alternate theory seems plausible when take into “the Euro incident”

I imagine that's why he also started to freak out when the Weistein wave happened.

[demi]

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/922121854461939712

[injurai]

If they had to stifle discussion for legal reasons, they should have made that known, and moved on

It seems they wanted to erase that they had turned a blind eye for so long.

[Clockwork]

Is the Euro incident the thing in some of the articles where some girl was like

"Hey buy me a drink"

and he was like

* ASS GRAB *

"That'll learn her"

Yes.

[Barry Egan]

But Amirox was permanently banned: I don't really know what more the moderation staff is supposed to do to punish him. They don't have powers outside of GAF. If you're simply saying they didn't allow people to discuss it, that sounds more like "not trusting people to behave like adults when discussing a provocative topic," rather than "hushing," but our definitions may differ.

This is the worst post I have ever read on this forum

[BrainFatigue]

Besada is an asshole who is 300lbs overweight.
He looks like Santa's sack, but stuffed full of potato salad. 

If any of y'all meet him IRL you'd struggle to take him seriously because of his weight, appearance, and smell.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Okay, for the last fucking time, mods closed and deleted every thread or mention of Amirox and banned (perma) any mention of the incident. It was hushed you dumb, fucking, robot.

Mods please change any and all Opiate posts to 010110101010 sequence if at all possible from henceforth for the love of GOD.

Not to look like I'm defending GAF, but is there a chance that they *had* to say as little as possible and nuke any mention of Amirox due to the ongoing trial?

That makes no gat damn sense. "Oh hello, Mr Malka? Yeah, I'm a DA from halfway across the country with zero jurisdiction in Austin, but I was wondering if you could do me a solid and start deleting potential evidence? Alright, thanks homie, keep you hands in your pockets bruh"

[Opiate]

This post of yours would get you perma-banned on NeoGAF if you'd posted it 2 days ago.

Thats part of it.  Couldn't so much as make a vague joke not even mentioning him by name.

I see. Well, that is certainly very harsh.

[Kurt Russell]

That makes no gat damn sense. "Oh hello, Mr Malka? Yeah, I'm a DA from halfway across the country with zero jurisdiction in Austin, but I was wondering if you could do me a solid and start deleting potential evidence? Alright, thanks homie, keep you hands in your pockets bruh"

This is why IANAL

[SwolDic]

Reading Opiates posts is fucking scary. How did Evilllore choose these people to mod his site? A site that allowed him the opportunity to travel the goddamn world. I would have been so fucking selective about who i chose.

[Nola]

It is also pretty fucking opportunist for some of these people to try and start a new site, looking for that EviLore recognition, power, and and potential ad money.

The more disgusting thing is half of these folks are doing it so that they can continue on the shit path NeoGAF was headed with heavy handed moderation and echo chamber group think. This was evident before geonaf shut itself down...it was already handing out bans and nuking threads. The funny thing is they don't even think they are the real problem. No, it was that bad guy EviLore (which may be true, I don't really have an opinion on that) who "assaulted" this woman nevermind the fact that just a short while later she was (via self admission) likely slobbing his knob and being penetrated by him.

What a monster!

Most of these attempts seem to be half-assed attempts that are all but guaranteed to fail, especially since it seems some are going to be launching competing communities vying for the same consumers.

That Alexander The Great analogy actually kinda nails it. Including the boy lovers.

[Himu]

If the police really told them to put a sock in it, then any staff team with any reason or clout would just outright say,"please do not talk about amirox. We have been notified by the police to not talk about the incident due to his impending trial."

That's it. One. Fucking. Sentence.

But nah, neogaf staff makes no sense, was ran by an incompetent ego maniac, and had all the transparency of my late grandfather's bifocals.

But they want people to sign right up to their new site, where everything will be better.

[MIMIC]

Not to look like I'm defending GAF, but is there a chance that they *had* to say as little as possible and nuke any mention of Amirox due to the ongoing trial?

Unlikely. They kept nuking any mention of it because the discussions always became about whether or not the mods knew (or whether they were lying, etc.)

EDIT: Or some of them consulted with a lawyer and were advised to suppress all discussion. But since this is the INTERNET, don't know how well-thought out of a plan that could have been, because the discussion never stopped; it just wasn't centralized.

A STICKIED statement on behalf of all of the mods would have been the best answer

[Tokyosandblaster]

This post of yours would get you perma-banned on NeoGAF if you'd posted it 2 days ago.

Thats part of it.  Couldn't so much as make a vague joke not even mentioning him by name.

I see. Well, that is certainly very harsh.

Beep boop.

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

Fuck off, pedo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

He was outed as a Pedo like you were, but by Mulder and Scully. Evilore did MariahCareyIDon'tKnowHer.gif and nuked any theads mentioning it.

[close]

No, seriously: Fuck off.

This doesn't really answer the question. I'm asking what the "hushing" was about.

what do you not get? Ami got arrested for kiddie porn, lore mad a brief post claiming to not know him like that, thread was locked shortly thereafter and almost every day after someone would reference it and like 6 people would go "wait what?"

I don't get the hushing since the only thing I know about it is that Amirox was pretty promptly permanently banned. That doesn't seem like hushing, to me.

Okay, for the last fucking time, mods closed and deleted every thread or mention of Amirox and banned (perma) any mention of the incident. It was hushed you dumb, fucking, robot.

Mods please change any and all Opiate posts to 010110101010 sequence if at all possible from henceforth for the love of GOD.

The confusion here comes from the fact that what you're describing is not what I think of as "hushing," but your definition is not wrong. I imagined the powers that be protecting Amirox from harm by preventing any talk of his criminal activities: instead, he was permanently banned. That sounds like "preventing people from talking about it because posters have not proven capable of discussing these issues like adults," but I can see how one might interpret that as hushing -- it just wasn't my initial inference.

The hushing is about preventing the forum users from discussing it. It's about hiding the fact that a prominent user, friend of the owner, former mod, and dude with a long and checkered past is associated with the site.

[Sugar Pie Honey Bunch]

No, no, Cindi's wrong, it definitely WILL be better at these other various sites, and you should all go have a lengthy and enjoyable stay at each and every one of them!

[tuna_love]

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/922121854461939712

you had to pay before for that shit?
 

[salva]

Reading Opiates posts is fucking scary. How did Evilllore choose these people to mod his site? A site that allowed him the opportunity to travel the goddamn world. I would have been so fucking selective about who i chose.

People who enjoyed giving up their leisure time to mod without compensation. AKA not the brightest.

[Boredfrom]

No, no, Cindi's wrong, it definitely WILL be better at these other various sites, and you should all go have a lengthy and enjoyable stay at each and every one of them!

Specially if Besada is involved.

[Mr. Gundam]

How hard  is it to wrap your mind around the concept of denying knowledge and trying to distance themselves from Amirox to save their asses?

[Coca]

I don't understand why people are upset about GAF's undeniable witch hunting culture but then are calling someone a pedophile based on the fact that a flicker account uses a handle he has also used. That seems like a pretty tenuous link for a pretty serious accusation.

[StealthFan]

This whole GAF collapse is turning into a bad thing. We have a genuine pedo here now (Opiate). Fuck.

[injurai]

Reading Opiates posts is fucking scary. How did Evilllore choose these people to mod his site? A site that allowed him the opportunity to travel the goddamn world. I would have been so fucking selective about who i chose.

People who enjoyed giving up their leisure time to mod without compensation. AKA not the brightest.

Makes you wonder about the people so co-dependent on gafs structure that the very day it falls apart they are already desperately trying to form a new community based around the same pre-existing power struggles. Christ, be a normal user for once.

[thisismyusername]

How hard  is it to wrap your mind around the concept of denying knowledge and trying to distance themselves from Amirox to save their asses?

As bad as his lying about his flickr account.

[StealthFan]

I don't understand why people are upset about GAF's undeniable witch hunting culture but then are calling someone a pedophile based on the fact that a flicker account uses a handle he has also used. That seems like a pretty tenuous link for a pretty serious accusation.

We don't need proof.

[Opiate]

Reading Opiates posts is fucking scary. How did Evilllore choose these people to mod his site? A site that allowed him the opportunity to travel the goddamn world. I would have been so fucking selective about who i chose.

People who enjoyed giving up their leisure time to mod without compensation. AKA not the brightest.

It's worth pointing out that in most instances, reading GAF and moderating GAF were not especially distinct activities. If you were reading GAF at one point and occasionally thought "huh, that post seems inappropriate," the difference between reading GAF and moderating is that a moderator then proceeds to click the ban button and process the ban. Occassionally we would retreat to moderator forum or IRC to have some sort of meta discussion, but in most cases the amount of work required was extremely minimal. 

[Nola]

I don't understand why people are upset about GAF's undeniable witch hunting culture but then are calling someone a pedophile based on the fact that a flicker account uses a handle he has also used. That seems like a pretty tenuous link for a pretty serious accusation.

Yeah not that I am taking a side(frankly because i can't be bothered to give enough of a shit to read everyone of the back and forths posted) but it seems like a lot of people are exhibiting the exact same characteristics they spend days deriding GAF for on here.

[VomKriege]

This whole GAF collapse is turning into a bad thing. We have a genuine pedo here now (Opiate). Fuck.

Shouldn't have insisted on how open minded we are and how no one barely get banned 

[Himu]

No, no, Cindi's wrong, it definitely WILL be better at these other various sites, and you should all go have a lengthy and enjoyable stay at each and every one of them!

Oh, absolutely. I cannot wait for the continuation of neogaf because they did everything so very well.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Kanyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[close]

[StealthFan]

PEDO

[salva]

How hard  is it to wrap your mind around the concept of denying knowledge and trying to distance themselves from Amirox to save their asses?

I guess because everyone knew how involved amirox was in the community/liked by the staff yet once he got caught they did a 180 and refused to acknowledge him (until much pressure, of course).  This behavior wasn't expected from the staff, as stupid as they are.

[Jansen]

Cerium - Today at 6:03 PM
@everyone Progress on the new forum is going well, we have secured hosting and are waiting for the server to come online. Assuming no unforeseen complications, we should be up and running by tomorrow.

a besada and nintendrone run forum. what a fucking nightmare

[Let's Cyber]

The confusion here comes from the fact that what you're describing is not what I think of as "hushing," but your definition is not wrong. I imagined the powers that be protecting Amirox from harm by preventing any talk of his criminal activities: instead, he was permanently banned. That sounds like "preventing people from talking about it because posters have not proven capable of discussing these issues like adults," but I can see how one might interpret that as hushing -- it just wasn't my initial inference.

The problem is the news festered like an open wound because it was never properly addressed. EviLore's statement was in a thread that was immediately locked. It dropped off the first page rather quickly.

Shortly thereafter, any new posts questioning the stuff with Amir0x was deleted. Not long after that, they'd simply nuke accounts for bringing it up. It isn't hard to see why people would perceive it as "hushing" when a majority of the forum was still in the dark and any new posts were removed.

Edit: I can't find an archive of Lore's post, but I'm fairly sure he mentioned HIM not knowing Ami's name. I don't doubt most of the staff didn't know his full name but Evilore sure as hell did.

[Coca]

I don't understand why people are upset about GAF's undeniable witch hunting culture but then are calling someone a pedophile based on the fact that a flicker account uses a handle he has also used. That seems like a pretty tenuous link for a pretty serious accusation.

We don't need proof.

Why do you feel that way? Is it just shit posting? I'd get that even if it's too strong for my tastes.

[Blair]

Please tell me someone had a GAF ball tattoo

[Opiate]

The confusion here comes from the fact that what you're describing is not what I think of as "hushing," but your definition is not wrong. I imagined the powers that be protecting Amirox from harm by preventing any talk of his criminal activities: instead, he was permanently banned. That sounds like "preventing people from talking about it because posters have not proven capable of discussing these issues like adults," but I can see how one might interpret that as hushing -- it just wasn't my initial inference.

The problem is the news festered like an open wound because it was never properly addressed. EviLore's statement was in a thread that was immediately locked. It dropped off the first page rather quickly.

Shortly thereafter, any new posts questioning the stuff with Amir0x was deleted. Not long after that, they'd simply nuke accounts for bringing it up. It isn't hard to see why people would perceive it as "hushing" when a majority of the forum was still in the dark and any new posts were removed.

Yep, that makes sense. Thank you for explaining: very articulate description.

[Boredfrom]

I don't understand why people are upset about GAF's undeniable witch hunting culture but then are calling someone a pedophile based on the fact that a flicker account uses a handle he has also used. That seems like a pretty tenuous link for a pretty serious accusation.

Yeah not that I am taking a side(frankly because i can't be bothered to give enough of a shit to read everyone of the back and forths posted) but it seems like a lot of people are exhibiting the exact same characteristics they spend days deriding GAF for on here.

Opiate is not doing himself any favors by saying that is valid controlling the discussion of Amirox because is a "touchy topic". Is the same way of thinking that caused him telling off Fiction.

[Opiate]

How hard  is it to wrap your mind around the concept of denying knowledge and trying to distance themselves from Amirox to save their asses?

I guess because everyone knew how involved amirox was in the community/liked by the staff yet once he got caught they did a 180 and refused to acknowledge him (until much pressure, of course).  This behavior wasn't expected from the staff, as stupid as they are.

I can't speak for evilore, but I can tell you that Amirox was definitely not "liked by staff" in some broad sense. He was not one of the more popular moderators, in my experience (not especially disliked, either, just not a crowd favorite or something. That would be Cyan).

[salva]

Reading Opiates posts is fucking scary. How did Evilllore choose these people to mod his site? A site that allowed him the opportunity to travel the goddamn world. I would have been so fucking selective about who i chose.

People who enjoyed giving up their leisure time to mod without compensation. AKA not the brightest.

It's worth pointing out that in most instances, reading GAF and moderating GAF were not especially distinct activities. If you were reading GAF at one point and occasionally thought "huh, that post seems inappropriate," the difference between reading GAF and moderating is that a moderator then proceeds to click the ban button and process the ban. Occassionally we would retreat to moderator forum or IRC to have some sort of meta discussion, but in most cases the amount of work required was extremely minimal.

Weren't mods assigned threads (specially mega threads) to moderate? I can assume that some were assigned threads about topics they did not fully understand yet they felt it was their responsibility to moderate them.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Look. I'm OK with having Creepy Stalker free.  Even though I know there's a fair chance of having my own pubes force fed to me before I'm killed. But I'm not OK with gaf pedo apologists here.

[Himu]

Andrex please develop a script to turn Opiate's posts into kittens and puppies or 1's and 0's.

[Coca]

I don't understand why people are upset about GAF's undeniable witch hunting culture but then are calling someone a pedophile based on the fact that a flicker account uses a handle he has also used. That seems like a pretty tenuous link for a pretty serious accusation.

Yeah not that I am taking a side(frankly because i can't be bothered to give enough of a shit to read everyone of the back and forths posted) but it seems like a lot of people are exhibiting the exact same characteristics they spend days deriding GAF for on here.

Opiate is not doing himself any favors by saying that is valid controlling the discussion of Amirox because is a "touchy topic". Is the same way of thinking that caused him telling off Fiction.

Sure, he isn't handling this well, more in the sense that he either isn't reading his audience or doesn't care, just like he didn't handle that well. Speaking poorly on a topic doesn't make one a pedophile, it's also not indicative of him being a pedophile.

[toku]

if opiate can post here it's an absolute travesty that Creepy Stalker free

[StealthFan]

Honestly Creepy Stalker being banned and not the fucking child molester Opiate is BS. I know I claimed I was a pedo but that shit was a joke. We don't need a bonafide here.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Opiate, what's the appeal in hanging out in a community where no one likes you, everyone is hostile to you, and most people are grossed out by your presence? I've tried asking etoilet that but he can't give a straight answer

[Opiate]

I don't understand why people are upset about GAF's undeniable witch hunting culture but then are calling someone a pedophile based on the fact that a flicker account uses a handle he has also used. That seems like a pretty tenuous link for a pretty serious accusation.

Yeah not that I am taking a side(frankly because i can't be bothered to give enough of a shit to read everyone of the back and forths posted) but it seems like a lot of people are exhibiting the exact same characteristics they spend days deriding GAF for on here.

Opiate is not doing himself any favors by saying that is valid controlling the discussion of Amirox because is a "touchy topic". Is the same way of thinking that caused him telling off Fiction.

That's fine, but there's a pretty big difference between "I disagree with your philosophy on how to best moderate a video game forum" and "You are a pedophile."

[Boredfrom]

I don't understand why people are upset about GAF's undeniable witch hunting culture but then are calling someone a pedophile based on the fact that a flicker account uses a handle he has also used. That seems like a pretty tenuous link for a pretty serious accusation.

Yeah not that I am taking a side(frankly because i can't be bothered to give enough of a shit to read everyone of the back and forths posted) but it seems like a lot of people are exhibiting the exact same characteristics they spend days deriding GAF for on here.

Opiate is not doing himself any favors by saying that is valid controlling the discussion of Amirox because is a "touchy topic". Is the same way of thinking that caused him telling off Fiction.

Sure, he isn't handling this well, more in the sense that he either isn't reading his audience or doesn't care, just like he didn't handle that well. Speaking poorly on a topic doesn't make one a pedophile, it's also not indicative of him being a pedophile.

I'm personally not calling him a pedophile, but is irritating that he is making the same mistake that got him demoded while defending GAF mod team.

[injurai]

Man what is with gaf mods...

Do people remember whiteman? Jesus... christ @ that that ordeal as well.

[tuna_love]

opiate was demodded but the cunt should have been denutted as well

[Opiate]

Opiate, what's the appeal in hanging out in a community where no one likes you, everyone is hostile to you, and most people are grossed out by your presence? I've tried asking etoilet that but he can't give a straight answer

I'm not expecting to stick around, although I suppose it's possible. I came to get information about the cataclysm, and provide insight in to the moderation philosophy since people asked.

[StealthFan]

Man what is with gaf mods...

Do people remember whiteman? Jesus... christ @ that that ordeal as well.

Oh lawd

[EightBitNate]

if opiate can post here it's an absolute travesty that Creepy Stalker free

What’s the story with Creepy Stalker? Not like I can browse GAF and find out lol.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Man what is with gaf mods...

Do people remember whiteman? Jesus... christ @ that that ordeal as well.

remember? bitch that pukey motherfucker is an institution round these parts

[Shuri]

The old team of mods is simply tainted now. Rebuilding a new forum with the same people behind will only lead to the same issues

The old mod team need to come clean and admit who was behind the deletion of posts behind the amir0x fiasco