Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[helios]

Opinionated, how did you get banned? The forum got shutdown and mods bounced, but you were not banned before.

Lore is banning people while the site is down instead of writing that goddamn Statement full of sex cults and love triangles

[Mr. Nobody]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/84/post/1243181/

 

[Himu]

WILL NEOGAF BE ON THE GIANT BOMBCAST PLEASE SAY YES

[Boredfrom]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

"In other words, we want Lime threads."

[Himu]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/84/post/1243181/

 

[Syph]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/84/post/1243181/

 

wow, slaent IS the new neogaf lol

[Maiden Voyage]

ResetEra is a bad name.

[FStop7]

Opiate’s amir0x defense is pissing me off.

1. Hits his own mother over an episode of South Park.

2. Steals donation money from GAF members for drugs.  Remains a moderator.

3. Continues to rampage around the forum until he’s finally caught abusing his mod access in a way that can’t be denied.  Demodded but not permed in spite of being a thief, a liar, and having severely abused his mod privs.

4. Finally permed after he’s arrested for possessing kiddie porn.

GAF was a forum about kids’ toys with a signup age of 13.  A former GAF mod with a history of abusing his access could have been collecting the personal data of children on GAF for years, for all anyone knows.  What steps were taken after he was caught?  A shitty “statement” that quickly disappeared because it was posted in a locked thread.  Any further attempts to discuss resulted in locks and bans. 

On this “shit that is suspicious” scale that’s about an 11/10 and don’t give people that shit about him not being well liked considering how much he got away with over the years.  People were bending over backwards to protect him and there is a reason why.

[Sampdoria]

more importantly where can I talk about pokemon go now that gaf is gone.

and dont say reddit

gamefaqs.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

/vp/

[close]

[Khezu]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

Sounds like a real fun place.

[Let's Cyber]

I’m the glad the blade runner 2049 thread is dead . What an overrated movie.

Go fuck yourself

[Dougstyles]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

Sounds like a hellscape.

[hungrynoob]

I don't mean this from a purely political perspective: I was also always (for example) accepting of "casual gamers" and mobile phone games in a way that was never popular on GAF. Probably still isn't, I suppose. I still believe that the core gamer audience is insular and hostile to outsiders in very unhealthy ways. I had less interest in discussing actual games when I showed up than in discussing sales and industry trends. The political strife came later, and was considerably responsible for my summary exit.

Wouldnt the challenging yourself by surrounding yourself with people who dont echo your opinions also apply to the political side?

Or.....

[Boredfrom]

I should add that one reason I signed up for GAF in the first place is that I am resistant to surrounding myself with people who almost entirely agree with me (and like here, it was quite clear I did not "fit in" at GAF). I don't mean I don't want anyone to ever agree with me, I just mean I don't enjoy going to a party where practically everyone is a centrist-leaning liberal like I am and we all agree on virtually every topic of significance and where everyone accepts pineapple doesn't belong on pizza and where all bask in the glory of the PC master race. 

It has been my experience that most people crave the opposite: a warm, comfortable environment where they fit in, and feel others share their values. I am very glad that my wife and I agree on virtually everything, but otherwise I actively seek out people who disagree with me. My best friend at work is a staunch conservative. My favorite Twitter feed is David Frum's. I passionately love Dostoevsky's writing even thought I strongly disagree with the actual central themes. This isn't because I enjoy being a contrarian, or being hated. It's because I like to be challenged, which is why I seem less-than phased by some of the puerile insults thrown so far. Being surrounded by an intellectually heterodox group of friends is most definitely my jam.

Bull-fucking-shit. No one makes it to moderator on that site unless their views line up with the rest of the Reich Cabinet.

It is definitely true the moderator staff is disproportionately staffed by liberals who prefer PC gaming, both categories I fit in to. I'm quite sure that is why Evilore picked me out in the first place. But I'm not talking about joining the moderator staff, I'm talking about joining GAF, and why someone who so clearly didn't fit in (as I don't fit in here) would want to join such a place at all. If I simply wanted to surround myself with other people who thought like me, I could discuss pertinent issues exclusively with my best friends and we could all easily convince ourselves in our cleverness that conservatives have nothing relevant to offer modern discourse and hard core gamers are all losers in their mom's basements.

But that is how GAF ended, and it was the direction that it was going for before you were demoded.

[omensetter]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

Waypoint has a show on the Disney channel. Makes sense that they would cultivate a different sort of vibe from other gaming enthusiast forums.

[BlueTsunami]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

Internalize a forums code of conduct, sheeeit, I havent even done that for my actual job.

[Opiate]

Opiate’s amir0x defense is pissing me off.

1. Hits his own mother over an episode of South Park.

2. Steals donation money from GAF members for drugs.  Remains a moderator.

3. Continues to rampage around the forum until he’s finally caught abusing his mod access in a way that can’t be denied.  Demodded but not permed in spite of being a thief, a liar, and having severely abused his mod privs.

4. Finally permed after he’s arrested for possessing kiddie porn.

GAF was a forum about kids’ toys with a signup age of 13.  A former GAF mod with a history of abusing his access could have been collecting the personal data of children on GAF for years, for all anyone knows.  What steps were taken after he was caught?  A shitty “statement” that quickly disappeared because it was posted in a locked thread.  Any further attempts to discuss resulted in locks and bans. 

On this “shit that is suspicious” scale that’s about an 11/10 and don’t give people that shit about him not being well liked considering how much he got away with over the years.  People were bending over backwards to protect him and there is a reason why.

Can you point to a place where I was defending Amirox? I asked explicitly about the "hushing' up, where I clearly did not properly infer the intended use of the word "hush."

If you want me to say it, I'm happy to: Amirox is a terrible person who did an awful thing. I am glad he is in jail. I am glad that he is permanently banned. I can also say this: I didn't really have any idea that he had these predilections, but as stated earlier, many of us didn't even know each other's first names (although I did know most, as I was one of the few interested in more personal relationships). I looked back and thought about if there was ever anything he said that might have clued me in, and the only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned one of my serious girlfriends was a ballerina, and he seemed inordinately interested in our relationship. It didn't really seem like much beyond curiosity at the time, but perhaps he was asking because ballerinas are typically petite and relatively thin and nubile (my girlfriend in this story certainly fits that description). Perhaps I'm simply reading in to it, however. It's always easy to think you see things once the shadows have been cast.

[Occam]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

"In other words, we want Lime threads."

That place sounds like total shit. Yes, it makes you a weakling if you go looking for safe spaces.

[Brehvolution]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/84/post/1243181/

 

Whoa, if true.

[Finbarfin]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

"In other words, we want Lime threads."

I remember when discussion forums just wanted people to post stuff.  Can you imagine being a big enough turd to post something along the lines of "site specific threads violate rule 10"?  Time to fucking kill yourself.

[Boredfrom]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

As much as I think sales threads are for fucking weirdos that's a pretty weird thing to outright ban.

Neither Patrick or Austin wants to piss off their "contacts"

[VomKriege]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

As much as I think sales threads are for fucking weirdos that's a pretty weird thing to outright ban.

I dunno, it's a bit pretentious to go "Well here we're not about consumerism but only art !" but I can't fault it (rampant consumerism does sometimes drag down discussion and chart/box office thread are often just nerd substitute for horse betting) as a possible perspective. If you want sales thread go on a site more focused on the commercial/market side of things, I guess.

[Opiate]

I don't mean this from a purely political perspective: I was also always (for example) accepting of "casual gamers" and mobile phone games in a way that was never popular on GAF. Probably still isn't, I suppose. I still believe that the core gamer audience is insular and hostile to outsiders in very unhealthy ways. I had less interest in discussing actual games when I showed up than in discussing sales and industry trends. The political strife came later, and was considerably responsible for my summary exit.

Wouldnt the challenging yourself by surrounding yourself with people who dont echo your opinions also apply to the political side?

Or.....

It did. And as noted, as political discussion escalated and purity tests tightened, I became increasingly isolated among the GAF moderators. Even though, again, I personally happen to be pretty liberal.

[Boredfrom]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

Waypoint has a show on the Disney channel. Makes sense that they would cultivate a different sort of vibe from other gaming enthusiast forums.

You mean "Corporate apologism disguised as inclusive politics?"

[Swollen Bowels]

You could tell in the last year that Evilore resented what the site had become.. but letting people like Besada and Bish pilot the ship meant it was going to crash hard anyhow.   

It's strange I liked Gaf because it was heavily modded, but I also completely disagreed with how unfairly it was modded.     Let's be honest, there was about what 20 posters who stirred shit up daily and never seemed to get a perm that if they did would have made the whole site better.

There's not coming back from this though...  Tyler rightfully made a lot of enemies in the industry and the internet net through the years... and it's funny as hell the thing that brings him down is the same shit that he would have banned someone for in an instant.

I did like GAF being highly moderated (it's not like I want to post somewhere like voat), but the problem is over what moderation is supposed to achieve. It's pretty clear, certainly post-gamergate, the objective of moderators (perhaps some more than others) was to not break up fights, keep them civil and on topic, or make it somewhere you can speak your mind (insert the websites mission statement here). It was actively trying to prune people who they believed were racist, sexist, etc. That may sound like a good thing on paper, but when you become that proactive, you end up just creating an atmosphere which more about outing people as bad than one which doesn't have people doing bad things.

Threads full of hostile people were essentially created and kept open just to bring the worse out of people so they can be banned. Users, the 20 posters you mentioned, became symbiotic to this process to the point it felt like they were a half-step between user and mod and they drove any conversation that concerned them. They could still be banned, but only after losing their temper and doing something "traditionally" wrong (telling someone "fuck you"), whereas anyone who said something the wrong way or said something commonly naive enough to be considered a "dog whistle" was gone. At the end, it became so toxic this patrol of hall monitors would become upset when other posters would ignore drama within a thread and talk about videogames (see the final The Last Night/Tim Soret thread). There's also a pretty clear record of differences in punishment. If GAF really wanted certain opinions gone, it only had to transparently list and expand what discussion or arguments were not allowed, but the rules were extremely vague and bannings inconsistent and confusing.

The more narrowly utopian the ideal community became in their minds (perhaps necessitated as they observed the internet/real world becoming more divisive and mean), the more this became the primary function of the forum itself, losing all of its developer connections and a great swath of its best content creators being permanently banned or chased off (people who could go years without being banned in this hyper-critical community, but still be deemed not perfect enough to considered redeemable). At the end, NeoGAF as an open community and a popular news source became the secondary objective to a social project. It was obvious Evilore saw and regretted this by the end, but he couldn't overcome his distant laziness that enabled it the first place. While everyone has good reason to abandon Evilore, it also does illustrate my point that NeoGAF didn't fail as a gaming website, it collapsed under its own ideological pressures.

Doesn't exactly bode well for nuGAF.

why are you blaming GAF's moderation for the simple fact that there are a lot of terrible people among us, those who you'd normally believe were rational and progressive minded. a lot of people now feel no shame in broadcasting their ugliness, a phenomena that made its appearance during Obama's tenure and has only just bloomed into a full grown affinity for fascism.

if anything, GAF should have been stricter in its moderation of hateful views.

[counterhit]

Mic.com is probably the only website worse than Waypoint in the wacko GAF-like leftist shit category. It was mentioned earlier in this thread, so I took a look and one of the threads was about whether it was okay to say "guys". 

[Mr. Nobody]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/85/post/1243286/

Jesus Christ 

[Rman]

Video games are consumerist to the bone. Waypoint is smoking crack.

[Cryo]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

As much as I think sales threads are for fucking weirdos that's a pretty weird thing to outright ban.

I dunno, it's a bit pretentious to go "Well here we're not about consumerism but only art !" but I can't fault it (rampant consumerism does sometimes drag down discussion and chart/box office thread are often just nerd substitute for horse betting) as a possible perspective. If you want sales thread go on a site more focused on the commercial/market side of things, I guess.

I have no problem with a forum wanting to keep discussions of games/media tailored away from sales-related posts if it helps some of the garbage-tier posters from box office GAF stay away.

[Boredfrom]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

As much as I think sales threads are for fucking weirdos that's a pretty weird thing to outright ban.

I dunno, it's a bit pretentious to go "Well here we're not about consumerism but only art !" but I can't fault it (rampant consumerism does sometimes drag down discussion and chart/box office thread are often just nerd substitute for horse betting) as a possible perspective. If you want sales thread go on a site more focused on the commercial/market side of things, I guess.

People will always end talking about this even if is in a unrelated thread. Better contain it in a single thread.

[maninthemirror]

I’m the glad the blade runner 2049 thread is dead . What an overrated movie.

Go fuck yourself

[Atramental]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/85/post/1243286/

Jesus Christ 

Ummm. We say distinguished black fellow and cigarillo. Try again, sweaty.

[zepblackstar]

escalated quickly over there

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/86/post/1243304/

and IGN is already putting out warnings that gaf members are not welcomed.

[BrainFatigue]

Why are we giving Opiate pages of the attention he desires?
He's an autistic pedophile. 

I don't give a fuck if he's banned or not, but I'm not going to respond to him anymore.

[Nola]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/85/post/1243286/

Jesus Christ 

And with that, a potential new meta-commentary thread is born.

[Boredfrom]

You could tell in the last year that Evilore resented what the site had become.. but letting people like Besada and Bish pilot the ship meant it was going to crash hard anyhow.   

It's strange I liked Gaf because it was heavily modded, but I also completely disagreed with how unfairly it was modded.     Let's be honest, there was about what 20 posters who stirred shit up daily and never seemed to get a perm that if they did would have made the whole site better.

There's not coming back from this though...  Tyler rightfully made a lot of enemies in the industry and the internet net through the years... and it's funny as hell the thing that brings him down is the same shit that he would have banned someone for in an instant.

I did like GAF being highly moderated (it's not like I want to post somewhere like voat), but the problem is over what moderation is supposed to achieve. It's pretty clear, certainly post-gamergate, the objective of moderators (perhaps some more than others) was to not break up fights, keep them civil and on topic, or make it somewhere you can speak your mind (insert the websites mission statement here). It was actively trying to prune people who they believed were racist, sexist, etc. That may sound like a good thing on paper, but when you become that proactive, you end up just creating an atmosphere which more about outing people as bad than one which doesn't have people doing bad things.

Threads full of hostile people were essentially created and kept open just to bring the worse out of people so they can be banned. Users, the 20 posters you mentioned, became symbiotic to this process to the point it felt like they were a half-step between user and mod and they drove any conversation that concerned them. They could still be banned, but only after losing their temper and doing something "traditionally" wrong (telling someone "fuck you"), whereas anyone who said something the wrong way or said something commonly naive enough to be considered a "dog whistle" was gone. At the end, it became so toxic this patrol of hall monitors would become upset when other posters would ignore drama within a thread and talk about videogames (see the final The Last Night/Tim Soret thread). There's also a pretty clear record of differences in punishment. If GAF really wanted certain opinions gone, it only had to transparently list and expand what discussion or arguments were not allowed, but the rules were extremely vague and bannings inconsistent and confusing.

The more narrowly utopian the ideal community became in their minds (perhaps necessitated as they observed the internet/real world becoming more divisive and mean), the more this became the primary function of the forum itself, losing all of its developer connections and a great swath of its best content creators being permanently banned or chased off (people who could go years without being banned in this hyper-critical community, but still be deemed not perfect enough to considered redeemable). At the end, NeoGAF as an open community and a popular news source became the secondary objective to a social project. It was obvious Evilore saw and regretted this by the end, but he couldn't overcome his distant laziness that enabled it the first place. While everyone has good reason to abandon Evilore, it also does illustrate my point that NeoGAF didn't fail as a gaming website, it collapsed under its own ideological pressures.

Doesn't exactly bode well for nuGAF.

why are you blaming GAF's moderation for the simple fact that there are a lot of terrible people among us, those who you'd normally believe were rational and progressive minded. a lot of people now feel no shame in broadcasting their ugliness, a phenomena that made its appearance during Obama's tenure and has only just bloomed into a full grown affinity for fascism.

if anything, GAF should have been stricter in its moderation of hateful views.

Besada loves you.

[Dougstyles]

You could tell in the last year that Evilore resented what the site had become.. but letting people like Besada and Bish pilot the ship meant it was going to crash hard anyhow.   

It's strange I liked Gaf because it was heavily modded, but I also completely disagreed with how unfairly it was modded.     Let's be honest, there was about what 20 posters who stirred shit up daily and never seemed to get a perm that if they did would have made the whole site better.

There's not coming back from this though...  Tyler rightfully made a lot of enemies in the industry and the internet net through the years... and it's funny as hell the thing that brings him down is the same shit that he would have banned someone for in an instant.

I did like GAF being highly moderated (it's not like I want to post somewhere like voat), but the problem is over what moderation is supposed to achieve. It's pretty clear, certainly post-gamergate, the objective of moderators (perhaps some more than others) was to not break up fights, keep them civil and on topic, or make it somewhere you can speak your mind (insert the websites mission statement here). It was actively trying to prune people who they believed were racist, sexist, etc. That may sound like a good thing on paper, but when you become that proactive, you end up just creating an atmosphere which more about outing people as bad than one which doesn't have people doing bad things.

Threads full of hostile people were essentially created and kept open just to bring the worse out of people so they can be banned. Users, the 20 posters you mentioned, became symbiotic to this process to the point it felt like they were a half-step between user and mod and they drove any conversation that concerned them. They could still be banned, but only after losing their temper and doing something "traditionally" wrong (telling someone "fuck you"), whereas anyone who said something the wrong way or said something commonly naive enough to be considered a "dog whistle" was gone. At the end, it became so toxic this patrol of hall monitors would become upset when other posters would ignore drama within a thread and talk about videogames (see the final The Last Night/Tim Soret thread). There's also a pretty clear record of differences in punishment. If GAF really wanted certain opinions gone, it only had to transparently list and expand what discussion or arguments were not allowed, but the rules were extremely vague and bannings inconsistent and confusing.

The more narrowly utopian the ideal community became in their minds (perhaps necessitated as they observed the internet/real world becoming more divisive and mean), the more this became the primary function of the forum itself, losing all of its developer connections and a great swath of its best content creators being permanently banned or chased off (people who could go years without being banned in this hyper-critical community, but still be deemed not perfect enough to considered redeemable). At the end, NeoGAF as an open community and a popular news source became the secondary objective to a social project. It was obvious Evilore saw and regretted this by the end, but he couldn't overcome his distant laziness that enabled it the first place. While everyone has good reason to abandon Evilore, it also does illustrate my point that NeoGAF didn't fail as a gaming website, it collapsed under its own ideological pressures.

Doesn't exactly bode well for nuGAF.

why are you blaming GAF's moderation for the simple fact that there are a lot of terrible people among us, those who you'd normally believe were rational and progressive minded. a lot of people now feel no shame in broadcasting their ugliness, a phenomena that made its appearance during Obama's tenure and has only just bloomed into a full grown affinity for fascism.

if anything, GAF should have been stricter in its moderation of hateful views.

I swear some of you people must go to sleep fearing a fascist may be hiding under the bed.

[samfish]

Am I an alt-right monster for reading the Kotaku article and come away thinking that maybe lore is maybe kinda innocent here?
Like he gets into the shower with her, being the awkward weirdo he is, but backs off when she tells him to fuck off. Then a few months later, they’re in a relationship together until E3 2015?

[Opiate]

For me, the value of sales-GAF was less about the specific numbers or about championing your hero in the console wars, and more about the meta and industry related discussion it fostered: what was selling well in the industry? What did that tell us about the current makeup of gamers? What types of games were likely to be seen in the future based on what is selling now? What could we anticipate from the rise of mobile or social gaming? All of these sorts of questions were actually interesting to me -- "Nintendo sold better than Sony this month, suck it Sonybots!" very much did not.

[bork]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/85/post/1243286/

Jesus Christ 

[counterhit]

Reset Era reminds me of when Polygon did that embarrassing launch campaign "Press Reset" where there was a clip of Arthur Gies getting a tattoo of a hand.

[Frankie_baby]

escalated quickly over there

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/86/post/1243304/

and IGN is already putting out warnings that gaf members are not welcomed.

Gaf members arent welcome at ign why? Surely theyd be happy with users? Hell i probably still have an ign account i aint touched in 10 years

[Boogie]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/85/post/1243286/

Jesus Christ 

We literally have word filters so people can’t say those words here.

[Scrooged]

I’m the glad the blade runner 2049 thread is dead . What an overrated movie.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Opinionated, how did you get banned? The forum got shutdown and mods bounced, but you were not banned before.

Probably for this (post 46): http://archive.is/bxyW9

People were trying to hush those discussing the allegations ("is this the hill you want to die on," "let the mods do their work," "wait for the statement," etc), which I thought was bullshit. So I posted these images in a few relevant threads.

A few people started bringing up old stuff like Evilore posting nudes of olimario's gf, so I could've caught a ban for discussing that too.

I'm surprised I wasn't permabanned years ago. I probably made only 15 - 20 good posts the entire time I was there (2004 - 2017) with most of those occurring before 2010.

[Jansen]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

sounds like the shittiest forum ever

weedlordvegeta as a mod lol

[Boredfrom]

Am I an alt-right monster for reading the Kotaku article and come away thinking that maybe lore is maybe kinda innocent here?
Like he gets into the shower with her, being the awkward weirdo he is, but backs off when she tells him to fuck off. Then a few months later, they’re in a relationship together until E3 2015?

He is still a creep and she has reason to complain, but it did make the story more complicated than GAF was capable of talking of.

[BlueTsunami]

You gotta be really jonesin for forum hijinks if you resort to posting on IGN. A step above GameFAQs

[Opiate]

I dunno, it's a bit pretentious to go "Well here we're not about consumerism but only art !" but I can't fault it (rampant consumerism does sometimes drag down discussion and chart/box office thread are often just nerd substitute for horse betting) as a possible perspective. If you want sales thread go on a site more focused on the commercial/market side of things, I guess.

Yeah I'd bet their pretentious reason is a load of horse shit and they'd rather just not have to deal with the sort of fanboy fighting that sales threads encourage; which is fine.  I think "this thing is hard to moderate" is a perfectly good reason to ban a conversation if its' not adding a lot to a site.

I just mentioned above that I think the most legitimate and valuable application of sales threads was to glean industry trends and likely shifts in industry behavior over the next 2-3 years based on sales right now: it's probably possible to have such a discussion without explicitly listing sales numbers to avoid the tribalistic posters who are only interested in seeing their "team" sell well.

[Himu]

Who says distinguished black fellow and taco here?

[hungrynoob]

It did. And as noted, as political discussion escalated and purity tests tightened, I became increasingly isolated among the GAF moderators. Even though, again, I personally happen to be pretty liberal.

You dont push yourself hard enough, obviously. But yeah, okay I can see the reasoning behind that.

[BrainFatigue]

Am I an alt-right monster for reading the Kotaku article and come away thinking that maybe lore is maybe kinda innocent here?
Like he gets into the shower with her, being the awkward weirdo he is, but backs off when she tells him to fuck off. Then a few months later, they’re in a relationship together until E3 2015?

It's just the timing of it.
He tried to fuck a sick girl who was showering off her own puke.

And it's also Tyler having to play by GAF's rules.
The same rules that ruined lives and got projects shut down.

[I am (not) a weeb]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

"In other words, we want Lime threads."

That place sounds like total shit. Yes, it makes you a weakling if you go looking for safe spaces.

I don't even care about the whole complaining about safe spaces shit

The place just sounds fucking boring, not every topic has to have some deep message, or has to start a "conversation", or needs to be pretentious and shit. People just want to be able to casually shoot the shit with each other and opine about stuff with mods keeping people from being dickheads, simple

[Clockwork5]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

"In other words, we want Lime threads."

Lime was a troll who knew exactly what he/she was doing. Sending that place further down the path of lunacy.

[FStop7]

I’m the glad the blade runner 2049 thread is dead . What an overrated movie.

mods help

[Rman]

To be fair, Waypoint has the right to determine how their forums are run. It just doesn’t sound like a fun place.

[VomKriege]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/85/post/1243286/

Jesus Christ 

Queen, don't take it against you but there's really no point to this apart from having a bunch of sterile back and forth.
This site has existed for a few years and I guess some shit stuff was done by some in the past.
We're really no saints and there's nothing healthy about having the glee we have to shitpost about GAF.

Besides who cares what people over there think of the Bore ?
Those interested will read and make an opinion for themselves.

[Frankie_baby]

For me, the value of sales-GAF was less about the specific numbers or about championing your hero in the console wars, and more about the meta and industry related discussion it fostered: what was selling well in the industry? What did that tell us about the current makeup of gamers? What types of games were likely to be seen in the future based on what is selling now? What could we anticipate from the rise of mobile or social gaming? All of these sorts of questions were actually interesting to me -- "Nintendo sold better than Sony this month, suck it Sonybots!" very much did not.

SalesGAF was fun, it was always obvious i was and am a nintendo fan boy but it was fun to see how things went and the twists and turns of the market, probably also the only part of GAF that likely anyone ever noticed me so im gonna miss that most if nothing comes to replace it

[hungrynoob]

To be fair, Waypoint has the right to determine how their forums are run. It just doesn’t sound like a fun place.

Theres no lynch mobs, only disgust.

[Boredfrom]

To be fair, Waypoint has the right to determine how their forums are run. It just doesn’t sound like a fun place.

You are right but it's funny because the hipster stereotype that both Austin and Patrick share.