Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[counterhit]

This was the thread I saw:

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/the-term-guys-gender-and-pronouns/6841

Feels kinda cult-ish.

[Dennis]

escalated quickly over there

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/86/post/1243304/

and IGN is already putting out warnings that gaf members are not welcomed.

Cindi fighting for The Bore's honor.

 

[Jansen]

You gotta be really jonesin for forum hijinks if you resort to posting on IGN. A step above GameFAQs

it's where i posted before finding out about gaf 12 years ago. Series specific sub forums there were awful. especially the Resident Evil, anime, and Metal Gear Solid boards

[king of the internet]

Wait so did something happen to GAF      

[Raist]

Wait so did something happen to GAF      

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Aeris dies.

[close]

[Frankie_baby]

Wait so did something happen to GAF      

There is no gaf

[Boredfrom]

Am I an alt-right monster for reading the Kotaku article and come away thinking that maybe lore is maybe kinda innocent here?
Like he gets into the shower with her, being the awkward weirdo he is, but backs off when she tells him to fuck off. Then a few months later, they’re in a relationship together until E3 2015?

I can't relate to thinking it's not a big deal.

Have a girlfriend/wife/sister/daughter?

What would your reaction be if you found out a dude decided to jump into a shower naked with her uninvited when she was so drunk she was puking? 

Or likewise, what if you had a male friend you knew did that shit, would you stay freinds with them?

I've unfriended dudes for less creepy shit personally, and in my opinion, people thinknig this shit isn't a big deal is a fucked up part of society.

She did continue to befriend him, thought.

[VomKriege]

Wait so did something happen to GAF      

No everything's fine.
You might have to refresh with the new URL tho.

[Mr. Nobody]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/87/post/1243439/

It just doesn't stop 

[Atramental]

I think it's amusing when people outside of the Bore think we're homophobic. It just shows me that they don't actually read any posts here. 

[zepblackstar]

To be fair, Waypoint has the right to determine how their forums are run. It just doesn’t sound like a fun place.

you know some users were thinking because they share the same political views, waypoint would have them with open arms.. then they slowly turn the forum to gaf like. Waypoint is like.. no

[hungrynoob]

Wait so did something happen to GAF      

the avatar..... thosedeafmutes?

[Opiate]

Wait so did something happen to GAF      

Just two days ago, Evilore was caught in a sexual harassment scandal -- and perhaps more significantly, he immediately began deleting any reference to it and banning anyone engaging in discussion. This only furthered the turmoil, and most (perhaps now all?) moderators have left. There seems to be a mass user exodus, and the site itself has been down for 24 hours almost continuously. Now I am here to provide some former moderator insights, much to everyone's appreciation and delight.

[omensetter]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

Waypoint has a show on the Disney channel. Makes sense that they would cultivate a different sort of vibe from other gaming enthusiast forums.

You mean "Corporate apologism disguised as inclusive politics?"

yeah, don't want to get papa Walt mad.

[Borealis]

Out of all this, I hope outlets like Kotaku and Polygon struggle for content cause it was fucking obvious that every journo in the gaming news industry ripped outrage controversies, "insider" hot takes, and news info posted on GAF.

[headwalk]

waypoint is a godawful limp handshake of a site and no doubt their forums reflect it. klepek's south park review has about one paragraph which even mentions how the game plays and nine others wrestling with the demons of social morality.

[Trent Strong]

https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/it-looks-like-neogaf-is-no-more/7116/1324

Hey all, we’ve locked this thread because it’s impossible for moderators to keep up with and we wanted to end it with some key points:

    You are all welcome here.
    This forum is not, nor will it ever be, NeoGAF.
    If you are looking for the next NeoGAF you are going to be swiftly and profoundly disappointed.
    Those who found NeoGAF’s moderation too harsh for their personal or political views should review Waypoint as a site and the forum rules before deciding that this is their new Internet home.

In the past 24 hours, our site’s population has grown by over 1,000 new users. We share these numbers to give new users an idea of the effect the influx has had on our community. In the last month previously, there were 265 new users. We also want our users who were here before the influx and have made the Waypoint forums what they are to know that we are working hard to maintain the established experience and will not let it become something else.

There are certain types of posts that were totally cool over at NeoGAF that aren’t here. Posts such as raw sales data, news repository posts, box office threads, sales threads, review aggregation threads, site specific threads (breaks rule 10), investigative stuff (breaks rule 10), and things of that nature are going to be closed because we don’t feel they fit the paradigm that we want to uphold here at Waypoint. This is a forum focused on inclusivity and discussion and we want to keep it that way.

This is not a forum that centers around video gaming as a consumerist property, but rather a community of like-minded people that celebrates the kind of perspectives that Waypoint, the site we’re attached to, tries hard to cultivate.

To that end, it’s worth mentioning that this forum is moderated differently than NeoGAF and you should read and internalize the Rules and Code of Conduct18, always viewable at the top of each page. The mods take them seriously and you should as well.

"In other words, we want Lime threads."

Lime was a troll who knew exactly what he/she was doing. Sending that place further down the path of lunacy.

Lime didn't seem like a troll to me. He seemed to pretty much personify GAF's ideology.

[team filler]

Who says distinguished black fellow and taco here?

I do, but I also love the bbc. So that cancels it out or something 

[Dennis]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/87/post/1243439/

It just doesn't stop 

He says on page 87 of the thread about the website he was too cool to care about.

[BlueTsunami]

Wait so did something happen to GAF      

Always ask before you try to wash someones back, or you'll have to turn the lights out on your famous message board

[Dougstyles]

waypoint is a godawful limp handshake of a site and no doubt their forums reflect it. klepek's south park review has about one paragraph which even mentions how the game plays and nine others wrestling with the demons of social morality.

this is a man who covered his eyes like a parent would do to their child at yakuza 0's softcore videos

[Raist]

One long-time mod told me that the mods had considered walking out several times in the past, but “we felt like sticking it out to keep the good parts of the community together.”

Suuuuuure

[Boredfrom]

waypoint is a godawful limp handshake of a site and no doubt their forums reflect it. klepek's south park review has about one paragraph which even mentions how the game plays and nine others wrestling with the demons of social morality.

this is a man who covered his eyes like a parent would do to their child at yakuza 0's softcore videos

Or played Bayonetta 2 in airplane flight while getting surprised that there were boobs on it.

[omensetter]

waypoint is a godawful limp handshake of a site and no doubt their forums reflect it. klepek's south park review has about one paragraph which even mentions how the game plays and nine others wrestling with the demons of social morality.

this is a man who covered his eyes like a parent would do to their child at yakuza 0's softcore videos

no fucking way

[Nola]

Yes, The Bore, a website in which the biggest traffic getter, is a topic dedicated to meta-commentary about NeoGaf, the website they were permanently banned from yet they continue to view on a daily basis, is for people who don't get triggered at everything that moved.

Bruh...you made an account the same day you got banned and posted in that very thread for the same reasons you're outlining in this post.

How much self-awareness do ya'll lack? lmao

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/87/post/1243467/
 

[Himu]

Nobody, please tell them that if they really felt the way they do about the Bore, they'd stop reading the Coli, a site which, when finds out a user is trans, hounds them and calls for a mass site purge of the users existence and positions women as objects/less than. If sexism/homophobia/transphobia were really that big of a deal....

[king of the internet]

Wait so did something happen to GAF      

the avatar..... thosedeafmutes?

No?

[Hobies cat]

Am I an alt-right monster for reading the Kotaku article and come away thinking that maybe lore is maybe kinda innocent here?
Like he gets into the shower with her, being the awkward weirdo he is, but backs off when she tells him to fuck off. Then a few months later, they’re in a relationship together until E3 2015?

The issue with this idea is his actions since this broke say there is something else at hand. Think about it. If when this story had broke he didn't even attempt to explain the shower bit but simply stated "This is being blown out of proportion. We later dated and had a physical relationship" and once verified it would have blown over. Because of his actions, or lack thereof I am inclined to think this story is like an iceberg and we are not seeing the biggest piece.

[SwolDic]

Even if she did fuck him afterwards, she made it clear they weren't in that kind of relationship when he got in the shower with her.

Her fucking him later doesn't change anything. Tyler's still creepy chump.

Let's be real here. Clearly it wasn't that big of a deal to her if she continued to be friends with him and then even had a physical relationship with the guy after.

The question is why the fuck did she bring this up? This diminishes the viability of women that are harmed by predatory behavior.

Are you aware that multiple women who were harassed and assaulted by Harvey Weinstein would later go on to have physical relationships and sometimes even romantic relationships? This does not negate or in any way diminish that they were harassed or assaulted. Neither does eventually having a relationship with Tyler make what Tyler did not harassment and/or assault or in any way normal or okay.

Are you saying these women are/had suffered psychological damage? And if so are you attributing that same level of damage to this woman having the elf hop in the shower with her for a moment?

No, I'm saying that women can be harassed or assaulted and eventual enter into a relationship with their abuser and it doesn't erase that they were harassed or assaulted. It doesn't retroactively mean it doesn't count.

Well, at what point does the woman take some responsibility for their decisions and actions? In my view either that person has psychological issues and they should think hard about getting help, or if not, and they choose to proceed then the previous situation is null and void.

There has to be clear distinctions of what constitutes harassment and assault . You can't just say "well, i dated that guy because he harassed me" wtf? No, the guy pursued you and you eventually said ok. You can't just change your mind later. If you think someone should be granted that luxury then you are going to create more problems than what you solve. It's gonna fucking snowball.

Cops absolutely hate answering calls for domestic issues for this very reason, it's not easy to distinguish what is going on right away. Now you add in tweets and facebook posts.....well, fuck.

[Raist]

no fucking way

Yes fucking way.

[demi]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/87/post/1243439/

It just doesn't stop 

Too late but I really don't care to extend any olive branches. If people do not want to post here for whatever reason, then they don't have to.

Please don't try to spark anything, Himu.

[Boredfrom]

no fucking way

Yes fucking way.

(Image removed from quote.)

That its sad.

[nudemacusers]

Good luck to the gaf diaspora on waypoint but

Don't be needlessly explicit. Remember that there are minors and people who are sex repulsed in the community.

And the issue with using the term ‘gaf refugees’ doesn’t seem like a good place to foster community. Ymmv.

[nudemacusers]

no fucking way

Yes fucking way.

(Image removed from quote.)

Oh dear lord 😂

[benjipwns]

I should add that one reason I signed up for GAF in the first place is that I am resistant to surrounding myself with people who almost entirely agree with me (and like here, it was quite clear I did not "fit in" at GAF). I don't mean I don't want anyone to ever agree with me, I just mean I don't enjoy going to a party where practically everyone is a centrist-leaning liberal like I am and we all agree on virtually every topic of significance and where everyone accepts pineapple doesn't belong on pizza and where all bask in the glory of the PC master race. 

It has been my experience that most people crave the opposite: a warm, comfortable environment where they fit in, and feel others share their values. I am very glad that my wife and I agree on virtually everything, but otherwise I actively seek out people who disagree with me. My best friend at work is a staunch conservative. My favorite Twitter feed is David Frum's. I passionately love Dostoevsky's writing even thought I strongly disagree with the actual central themes. This isn't because I enjoy being a contrarian, or being hated. It's because I like to be challenged, which is why I seem less-than phased by some of the puerile insults thrown so far. Being surrounded by an intellectually heterodox group of friends is most definitely my jam.

It is definitely true the moderator staff is disproportionately staffed by liberals who prefer PC gaming, both categories I fit in to. I'm quite sure that is why Evilore picked me out in the first place. But I'm not talking about joining the moderator staff, I'm talking about joining GAF, and why someone who so clearly didn't fit in (as I don't fit in here) would want to join such a place at all. If I simply wanted to surround myself with other people who thought like me, I could discuss pertinent issues exclusively with my best friends and we could all easily convince ourselves in our cleverness that conservatives have nothing relevant to offer modern discourse and hard core gamers are all losers in their mom's basements.

Can you point to a place where I was defending Amirox? I asked explicitly about the "hushing' up, where I clearly did not properly infer the intended use of the word "hush."

If you want me to say it, I'm happy to: Amirox is a terrible person who did an awful thing. I am glad he is in jail. I am glad that he is permanently banned. I can also say this: I didn't really have any idea that he had these predilections, but as stated earlier, many of us didn't even know each other's first names (although I did know most, as I was one of the few interested in more personal relationships). I looked back and thought about if there was ever anything he said that might have clued me in, and the only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned one of my serious girlfriends was a ballerina, and he seemed inordinately interested in our relationship. It didn't really seem like much beyond curiosity at the time, but perhaps he was asking because ballerinas are typically petite and relatively thin and nubile (my girlfriend in this story certainly fits that description). Perhaps I'm simply reading in to it, however. It's always easy to think you see things once the shadows have been cast.

It did. And as noted, as political discussion escalated and purity tests tightened, I became increasingly isolated among the GAF moderators. Even though, again, I personally happen to be pretty liberal.

Your particular situation is absolutely unfortunate, and I'm sorry. Really, I mean that; I am sorry you had to go through that.

But perhaps precisely because of the intimate personal affect this has had on your life, you may be particularly incapable of discussing this topic objectively and rationally. Not because you're a bad person, just because it has had such a serious impact on your life.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Good luck to the gaf diaspora on waypoint but

Don't be needlessly explicit. Remember that there are minors and people who are sex repulsed in the community.

And the issue with using the term ‘gaf refugees’ doesn’t seem like a good place to foster community. Ymmv.

"sex repulsed" lmfao

[Boredfrom]

Don't be needlessly explicit. Remember that there are minors and people who are sex repulsed in the community.

Like Patrick Klepek

[headwalk]

The issue with this idea is his actions since this broke say there is something else at hand. Think about it. If when this story had broke he didn't even attempt to explain the shower bit but simply stated "This is being blown out of proportion. We later dated and had a physical relationship" and once verified it would have blown over. Because of his actions, or lack thereof I am inclined to think this story is like an iceberg and we are not seeing the biggest piece.

he definitely could've salvaged something with a full mea culpa: "i was an idiot, i completely misread the situation and was so cripplingly ashamed of myself that i could barely look her in the eye after". there would have been a furore but i don't think it would've outright killed the site.

[parallax]

no fucking way

Yes fucking way.

(Image removed from quote.)

i need the link for this.

[Opiate]

I should add that one reason I signed up for GAF in the first place is that I am resistant to surrounding myself with people who almost entirely agree with me (and like here, it was quite clear I did not "fit in" at GAF). I don't mean I don't want anyone to ever agree with me, I just mean I don't enjoy going to a party where practically everyone is a centrist-leaning liberal like I am and we all agree on virtually every topic of significance and where everyone accepts pineapple doesn't belong on pizza and where all bask in the glory of the PC master race. 

It has been my experience that most people crave the opposite: a warm, comfortable environment where they fit in, and feel others share their values. I am very glad that my wife and I agree on virtually everything, but otherwise I actively seek out people who disagree with me. My best friend at work is a staunch conservative. My favorite Twitter feed is David Frum's. I passionately love Dostoevsky's writing even thought I strongly disagree with the actual central themes. This isn't because I enjoy being a contrarian, or being hated. It's because I like to be challenged, which is why I seem less-than phased by some of the puerile insults thrown so far. Being surrounded by an intellectually heterodox group of friends is most definitely my jam.

It is definitely true the moderator staff is disproportionately staffed by liberals who prefer PC gaming, both categories I fit in to. I'm quite sure that is why Evilore picked me out in the first place. But I'm not talking about joining the moderator staff, I'm talking about joining GAF, and why someone who so clearly didn't fit in (as I don't fit in here) would want to join such a place at all. If I simply wanted to surround myself with other people who thought like me, I could discuss pertinent issues exclusively with my best friends and we could all easily convince ourselves in our cleverness that conservatives have nothing relevant to offer modern discourse and hard core gamers are all losers in their mom's basements.

Can you point to a place where I was defending Amirox? I asked explicitly about the "hushing' up, where I clearly did not properly infer the intended use of the word "hush."

If you want me to say it, I'm happy to: Amirox is a terrible person who did an awful thing. I am glad he is in jail. I am glad that he is permanently banned. I can also say this: I didn't really have any idea that he had these predilections, but as stated earlier, many of us didn't even know each other's first names (although I did know most, as I was one of the few interested in more personal relationships). I looked back and thought about if there was ever anything he said that might have clued me in, and the only thing I can think of is that I once mentioned one of my serious girlfriends was a ballerina, and he seemed inordinately interested in our relationship. It didn't really seem like much beyond curiosity at the time, but perhaps he was asking because ballerinas are typically petite and relatively thin and nubile (my girlfriend in this story certainly fits that description). Perhaps I'm simply reading in to it, however. It's always easy to think you see things once the shadows have been cast.

It did. And as noted, as political discussion escalated and purity tests tightened, I became increasingly isolated among the GAF moderators. Even though, again, I personally happen to be pretty liberal.

Your particular situation is absolutely unfortunate, and I'm sorry. Really, I mean that; I am sorry you had to go through that.

But perhaps precisely because of the intimate personal affect this has had on your life, you may be particularly incapable of discussing this topic objectively and rationally. Not because you're a bad person, just because it has had such a serious impact on your life.

I know this is a meme, but it actually is not an unreasonable position. One can certainly argue that I am incapable of being objective given my involvement with GAF. Certainly several have suggested I am being particularly generous when describing the moderators, which I freely admit is possible.

[Atramental]

Good luck to the gaf diaspora on waypoint but

Don't be needlessly explicit. Remember that there are minors and people who are sex repulsed in the community.

And the issue with using the term ‘gaf refugees’ doesn’t seem like a good place to foster community. Ymmv.

"sex repulsed" lmfao

[omensetter]

no fucking way

Yes fucking way.

(Image removed from quote.)

lmao jesus christ. You're a grown man Patrick, it's ok to occasionally look at boobs in your niche Japanese punchman crime syndicate video game.

[VomKriege]

And the issue with using the term ‘gaf refugees’ doesn’t seem like a good place to foster community. Ymmv.

Well hopefully they'll be treated with the same amount of luxury refugees are afforded in the real world !

[hungrynoob]

Wait so did something happen to GAF      

the avatar..... thosedeafmutes?

No?

You dont mind if I guess do you, horsedetective?

[SwolDic]

Am I an alt-right monster for reading the Kotaku article and come away thinking that maybe lore is maybe kinda innocent here?
Like he gets into the shower with her, being the awkward weirdo he is, but backs off when she tells him to fuck off. Then a few months later, they’re in a relationship together until E3 2015?

I can't relate to thinking it's not a big deal.

Have a girlfriend/wife/sister/daughter?

What would your reaction be if you found out a dude decided to jump into a shower naked with her uninvited when she was so drunk she was puking? 

Or likewise, what if you had a male friend you knew did that shit, would you stay freinds with them?

I've unfriended dudes for less creepy shit personally, and in my opinion, people thinknig this shit isn't a big deal is a fucked up part of society.

lol oh fucking please.

You're either pretty young or socially awkward as fuck if you think people questioning this are the "fucked up part of society".

[FStop7]

Klepek is buddies with Max Temkin and swept it under the rug when Max was outright accused of rape.

[Dennis]

Klepek is buddies with Max Temkin and swept it under the rug when Max was outright accused of rape.

wow 

[Atramental]

Wait so did something happen to GAF      

the avatar..... thosedeafmutes?

No?

You dont mind if I guess do you, horsedetective?

I for the longest time that he was Snuggler (had a cat avatar and posted in GAF's drunk thread) but I have my doubts about that. 

[headwalk]

i remember having a mate when we were all around 16, he lost his V-card to a 30 something bird while keeping his socks and t-shirt on and refusing to touch her boobs because he thought it would have been disrespectful.

[tummyfat]

Since Slaent is watching, some of y'all are cool and I have an account on there. But jesus the fact that known dickrider and waste of space Gordon Shumway is there makes me not think your community is all that. I say that when we have Opiate, Etiolate, and the rest of the dumb crazies here.

Gordon Shumway posts on voat therefore he is a racist, sexist and shouldn't be allowed on other forums.

[nudemacusers]

Has accused and yet to be convicted pedophile amirox ever posted here?

[SwolDic]

i remember having a mate when we were all around 16, he lost his V-card to a 30 something bird while keeping his socks and t-shirt on and refusing to touch her boobs because he thought it would have been disrespectful.

He must be a legend.

[EightBitNate]

Klepek is buddies with Max Temkin and swept it under the rug when Max was outright accused of rape.

And then you guys roll your eyes when I say Kotaku In Action has a purpose...

[Raist]

no fucking way

Yes fucking way.

(Image removed from quote.)

i need the link for this.

Skip to 01:05:00ish

[Dougstyles]

so is "sex repulsed" the opposite of "girl fetishist"

[BlueTsunami]

i remember having a mate when we were all around 16, he lost his V-card to a 30 something bird while keeping his socks and t-shirt on and refusing to touch her boobs because he thought it would have been disrespectful.

Sounds like a he left out the part where he kept his boxers on and used the front hatch cause admitting to that would be really embarrassing. I dont know how people like that function day to day

[Boredfrom]

Klepek is buddies with Max Temkin and swept it under the rug when Max was outright accused of rape.

And then you guys roll your eyes when I say Kotaku In Action has a purpose...

I knew Patrick was kind of an ass since I was in the GAF GB community, thought.

[VomKriege]

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/89/post/1243614/

Man the Neogaf Discord is arguing their asses off about whether to have new mods.

Things are looking pretty, pretty good.

[Nola]

SLEANT definitely feels like it is angling to monopolize the over-bearing moderation crown before Besada and the gang get to it.

Some of those mods look about ready to start banning people that continue to discuss The Bore as not actually being a VOAT tier alternative.

Though if one of you motherfuckers doxxed him like he claims, yeah, that's kinda fucked. I could get why he is jaded.

[Interficium]

I know this is a meme, but it actually is not an unreasonable position. One can certainly argue that I am incapable of being objective given my involvement with GAF. Certainly several have suggested I am being particularly generous when describing the moderators, which I freely admit is possible.

why the fuck do you always sound like mr. peanut.

stop existing.