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Jenkem

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« Reply #7800 on: October 22, 2017, 11:08:42 PM »

420chan. pretty sure he's a regular on the jenkem board considering how often he gets high off his own shit.

hi

 

Pepinappe

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7801 on: October 22, 2017, 11:08:58 PM »
"not so fast motherfucker"

MODS HELP!!!  >:(

Opiate

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« Reply #7802 on: October 22, 2017, 11:09:06 PM »
Why would they nuke accounts upon asking?  That seems really strange.

We did just that. if people feared for privacy concerns or doxxing, we would assist them in deleting posts so that people couldn't troll through their entire post history looking for anything remotely suspect and then saying, "Ah ha! I found it! Secretly you are terrible!" That is a thing that actually happened to a poster, and was of particular concern to many female GAF posters.

Dennis

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« Reply #7803 on: October 22, 2017, 11:09:33 PM »
Apparently OpenCritic is also making a GAF successor with formers mods?

There's gonna be 5 new new gaf's by the end of week and they'll all kill each other off

Link?

Jenkem

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« Reply #7804 on: October 22, 2017, 11:10:33 PM »
The hell is Cerrium?

A poster on NeoGAF. Never really expected him of all people to try to lead the way in making a replacement.

We actually used to post on a little box art making website together. Seemed like a decent dude back then but it's shitty that he's actively sought out Besada to be a mod on the site. Seems like he walked away from GAF learning the wrong lesson :/

This is the guy that made about 5 topics in a week about JonTron being in Yooka-Laylee, and then another 5 regarding Hat in Time..

Was he a nintard?

yes.. he would line up to make OTs for games like 9 months in advance, there was a point where every new nintendo game the OT was by him...

I am a Nintendo fan and it was miserable please don't call us all nintards that is offensive I just like good games DAMMIT I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS

Opiate

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« Reply #7805 on: October 22, 2017, 11:10:38 PM »
Apparently OpenCritic is also making a GAF successor with formers mods?

There's gonna be 5 new new gaf's by the end of week and they'll all kill each other off

I'm not sure that's the case. You could see 2-3 become their own little niches, in which case none would be individually profitable as presumably their owners hope. Alternatively, one could become the clear "winner," in which case it will gradually soak up the usersbases of those seeking a GAF-like experience again. Or finally, as you suggested, they could simply all flop, which I agree is highly plausible.

omensetter

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« Reply #7806 on: October 22, 2017, 11:10:41 PM »

420chan. pretty sure he's a regular on the jenkem board considering how often he gets high off his own shit.

hi
No offense intended, friend

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« Reply #7807 on: October 22, 2017, 11:10:55 PM »
Honestly, I wish I could find a place that does box office threads like NeoGAF. BoxOfficeMojo's articles are just so boring.

there is forum for that. forums.boxofficetheory.com

very good place for movies and box office

Boredfrom

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« Reply #7808 on: October 22, 2017, 11:11:50 PM »
Why would they nuke accounts upon asking?  That seems really strange.

We did just that. if people feared for privacy concerns or doxxing, we would assist them in deleting posts so that people couldn't troll through their entire post history looking for anything remotely suspect and then saying, "Ah ha! I found it! Secretly you are terrible!" That is a thing that actually happened to a poster, and was of particular concern to many female GAF posters.

They were afraid of being called out?  Also, a lot of users did that already in the forum itself.

KarpalaJoe

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« Reply #7809 on: October 22, 2017, 11:12:25 PM »
if resetera is going to be run by the same mods im out

1. they didnt quit when they knew about Tyler Malka
2. their moderation is the reason the NUMBER 1 complaint about neogaf after this fiasco is when people spoke of gaf.....DUN DUN DUN. moderation
3. Same triggered and power hungry mods who favored users, gave some users instabans and kept their friends with no or temp bans for perma offenses

The moderation at GAF is one of its best qualities. Every other gaming site is infested with alt right shitheads, which turns engaging and honest dialogue into a complete waste of time.

No, it was clearly the worst thing about it. Banning crazy alt right extremist is ok in my book, banning everyone YOU think is an alt right extremist is another thing.

I've seen people being banned for things that has nothing to do with being an alt right cunt. They just did not buy the neogaf group thinking and dogpilling culture. Let's not even talk about the vast amount of shill the mod protected or choose to ignore while banning people for being a little too critical around a popular game release.

The moderators were not just banning alt right nazi, they were banning everyone they thought did not belong to this fucked little world and the place ended being populated by the most annoying, sensible, broken, docile members.

Here's your reasons why everyone hate gaf, welcome to the real world by the way.

seagrams hotsauce

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« Reply #7810 on: October 22, 2017, 11:12:27 PM »
btw where did IGN say they didn't washed the huddled masses to head to their island?

kingv

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« Reply #7811 on: October 22, 2017, 11:13:02 PM »
which offshoot forum is the official Bobby Roberts Forum ?

 :bobby :bobby

Personally, I prefer the black Bobby Robert :bobby.

And also, I mostly agree that what Tyler did is sort of whatever. Like it’s definitely a creeper move, but he ain’t the first nor the last dude to read some wrong signals when drunk and trying to get some pussy. And considering that he piped her down for a while at some later date... how off was his detector anyway?

People calling this sexual assault must have come straight out of GAF OT. Good luck trying to convince a jury this was anything more than bad judgment. Dude made a bad call, then backs off when she’s not into it.

I feel like EL just wanted to live the frat boy dream of playing games, partying, and getting some strange, but accidentally turned his cash cow into a den of Social Studies Warrior judgmentalism and then it basically bit him in the ass.

I’m enjoying the schaudenfraude however.

Dougstyles

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« Reply #7812 on: October 22, 2017, 11:13:05 PM »
'That feeling when you don't have to see that godawful quoting style of Teknopathetic...'

'not so fast motherfucker'

why allow yourself to be upset by such trivialities?

- regards, franck
~Afu

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« Reply #7813 on: October 22, 2017, 11:13:18 PM »
BSB had a lot of personal pics and links on GAF.

I get why she would ask, just not sure why they'd actually do it.    I hate the idea of mucking up a forum's post history though.

I don't think a single post ever made on that forum is so valuable to the test of time, that the content around it need be preserved as well. Though I suppose the forum could stand as a Rosetta stone for miserable little chapter in gaming history. How else will people know how to feel about E3?

Let's Cyber

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« Reply #7814 on: October 22, 2017, 11:13:27 PM »
I get why she would ask, just not sure why they'd actually do it.    I hate the idea of mucking up a forum's post history though.
They wiped a lot of users upon request. PoliGAF is probably the best example.

There were a lot of "User #...." after November 9th last year. 

Jansen

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« Reply #7815 on: October 22, 2017, 11:13:40 PM »
escalated quickly over there :o :o :o

http://slaent.com/thread/1232086/page/86/post/1243304/

and IGN is already putting out warnings that gaf members are not welcomed.
links to the IGN shit?

(Image removed from quote.)

funny knowing the kinda wild west place IGN was back in the mid 00s but I guess everywhere was like that back then




i had a good time in that shithole for about a year

omensetter

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« Reply #7816 on: October 22, 2017, 11:14:40 PM »
'That feeling when you don't have to see that godawful quoting style of Teknopathetic...'

'not so fast motherfucker'

why allow yourself to be upset by such trivialities?

- regards, franck

oh fuck. You just gave me a migraine

EightBitNate

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« Reply #7817 on: October 22, 2017, 11:15:02 PM »
BSB had a lot of personal pics and links on GAF.

I get why she would ask, just not sure why they'd actually do it.    I hate the idea of mucking up a forum's post history though.

I don't think a single post ever made on that forum is so valuable to the test of time, that the content around it need be preserved as well. Though I suppose the forum could stand as a Rosetta stone for miserable little chapter in gaming history. How else will people know how to feel about E3?

Oh shit just thought about E3; where will I go to watch freakouts now?  :-\

Opiate

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« Reply #7818 on: October 22, 2017, 11:15:22 PM »
Why would they nuke accounts upon asking?  That seems really strange.

We did just that. if people feared for privacy concerns or doxxing, we would assist them in deleting posts so that people couldn't troll through their entire post history looking for anything remotely suspect and then saying, "Ah ha! I found it! Secretly you are terrible!" That is a thing that actually happened to a poster, and was of particular concern to many female GAF posters.

They were afraid of being called out?  Also, a lot of users did that already in the forum itself.

Given that an active user may have posted literally thousands of things across years,  it is essentially guaranteed that a determined user could troll through that and find some quote or post that out of context seems really nasty (or even in context seems nasty, as all of us make mistakes). And yes, they were afraid of crusades or, in the case of women, more direct advances or threats.

You're right, that was often done inside the forum itself -- which is why some of these people left in the first place.


clothedmacuser

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« Reply #7819 on: October 22, 2017, 11:15:38 PM »
Probably way late and someone already answered. But why was backslashbunny account digitally murdered? Even as far as renaming and deleting all post. Did some shit happened between her and Tyler?

Maybe she asked for it? She was a trip. I actually liked her honesty.

Yeah, you are allowed to request a total nuke of your account.
sigh

VomKriege

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« Reply #7820 on: October 22, 2017, 11:15:46 PM »
I'm confused by the "ban carry over" - "we'll contact all of GAF members" that ResetEra is allegedly doing... Do they have access to GAF user database ? How and why ? Or will they collect the data from public links ?

Probably pulling contact info from various community groups like steam, Xbox, destiny, twitter, etc to spread thecword. Then I guess if you sign up with your old NeoGAF username and you were banned, you get banned? I’m not sure how’d they ban you otherwise. Then again, who knows what  Besada has in respect to email addresses and IPs. Sounds like that dude was a mainiac.

If bans do carry over it implies they have the database from GAF. Otherwise they're searching every name by Google but with no ban duration info ? It seems all so overly complicated to piece this info without the database that I don't understand why an upstart forum would bother even if trying to claim legitimacy as the true successor.

If they have the database... ? How ? I'd imagine Malka / GAF owns that.

We'll see tomorrow I guess.
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gfm793

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« Reply #7821 on: October 22, 2017, 11:16:07 PM »
Wait, so the shower girl did love Malka for real ?  :o

Gaf fell on itself for nothing.

Not for nothing, if anything this is an object lesson for enabling and fostering an atmosphere of zero tolerance and witch hunts where exculpatory evidence isn't allowed. Malka never really bought in to the progressive side of GAF, he was a moderate leftist at best. There is a lot of evidence of this. He railed on Sarkeesian when he felt it was safe to do so, he spoke out against bishoptl, and a whole lot of other small posts when he felt it was OK, but that never stopped him from removing the worst of the worst moderators until there was no other option, while he let good ones get away or get fired. Someone who knows the story better than me can regale you all on the time NBA GAF went away, and it's mod got demodded, he was one of the good ones, but it didn't matter.

So yeah, now the witch hunt is aimed at him, the story is shaky at best, and all of his mods have left over it. I still have half a mind that there is something else that caused them to leave, soemthing that hasn't come out yet. Then I look at assholes like Besada and his crew and realize it could just as easily be a giant virtue signal.

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« Reply #7822 on: October 22, 2017, 11:16:51 PM »
if resetera is going to be run by the same mods im out

1. they didnt quit when they knew about Tyler Malka
2. their moderation is the reason the NUMBER 1 complaint about neogaf after this fiasco is when people spoke of gaf.....DUN DUN DUN. moderation
3. Same triggered and power hungry mods who favored users, gave some users instabans and kept their friends with no or temp bans for perma offenses

The moderation at GAF is one of its best qualities. Every other gaming site is infested with alt right shitheads, which turns engaging and honest dialogue into a complete waste of time.

as opposed to neo-liberal shitheads, which turns engaging and honest dialogue into a complete waste of time.

seagrams hotsauce

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« Reply #7823 on: October 22, 2017, 11:17:35 PM »
I'm confused by the "ban carry over" - "we'll contact all of GAF members" that ResetEra is allegedly doing... Do they have access to GAF user database ? How and why ? Or will they collect the data from public links ?

Probably pulling contact info from various community groups like steam, Xbox, destiny, twitter, etc to spread thecword. Then I guess if you sign up with your old NeoGAF username and you were banned, you get banned? I’m not sure how’d they ban you otherwise. Then again, who knows what  Besada has in respect to email addresses and IPs. Sounds like that dude was a mainiac.

If bans do carry over it implies they have the database from GAF. Otherwise they're searching every name by Google but with no ban duration info ? It seems all so overly complicated to piece this info without the database that I don't understand why an upstart forum would bother even if trying to claim legitimacy as the true successor.

If they have the database... ? How ? I'd imagine Malka / GAF owns that.

We'll see tomorrow I guess.

I wouldn't be shocked if someone copied it before they left.

treythemovie

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« Reply #7824 on: October 22, 2017, 11:18:13 PM »
Apparently OpenCritic is also making a GAF successor with formers mods?

There's gonna be 5 new new gaf's by the end of week and they'll all kill each other off

Link?
The cofounder is posting it in all the Splinter GAF discords but he admits it on his Twitter:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattEnth/status/922241619197173760

Here's his post from the discords:

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Hey everyone,

OpenCritic cofounder here. We're also working on a substitute location. I wanted to give a little context behind why.

We care a lot about NeoGAF. NeoGAF represented 5% of our entire lifteimte traffic. In many ways, we attribute our success to this community. I'm not sure we would be where we are today without you all.

We are laser focused on making sure that the community survives rather than splintering and fracturing out.

With that in mind, our two chief concerns right now are both technical and community stability.

From a technical standpoint, NeoGAF is challenging. Handling thousands of simulatenous users all hitting a database cluster isn't easy to set up. The forums were one of the largest in gaming. We think we have the technical expertise required to handle it. We've already supported thousands of concurrent users on OpenCritic.

From a community standpoint, we're concerned about a fractured community. That's why we've elected to work with a few previous moderators and turn over all administrative decisions to them. We've implemented the same policies as the old forum, down to posting times and "no free email services." Our strategy is to get a stable community first, before conversations about policy or moderator changes.

That's about all we know.

Some other questions we've gotten:

"Where's it going to live?" - We don't know, but this is easy to change.
"What about X moderator/policy?" - We set up a subforum for discussions about policies.
"What about signatures?" - Unlikely for load reasons
"What about animated avatars?" - I dunno

Feel free to DM me any other questions.

Matthew
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Sliver

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« Reply #7825 on: October 22, 2017, 11:18:37 PM »
Thing I'm gonna miss the most is the movie discussion. 31 Days of Halloween was always a good thread for finding horror movies.

FartOfWar

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« Reply #7826 on: October 22, 2017, 11:19:39 PM »
Cerium spinoff update

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ResetEra is a new era for the gaming community! ResetEra is a new site made by gamers, for gamers as place for game makers and game players can all go to discuss their passion.

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Announcing ResetEra, the new home for our community! Made with your help, for you, with love. Coming tomorrow
By gaming gamers for gaming gamers and (we hope!) game makers. It's gaming goodness.

Opiate

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« Reply #7827 on: October 22, 2017, 11:19:40 PM »
I'm confused by the "ban carry over" - "we'll contact all of GAF members" that ResetEra is allegedly doing... Do they have access to GAF user database ? How and why ? Or will they collect the data from public links ?

Probably pulling contact info from various community groups like steam, Xbox, destiny, twitter, etc to spread thecword. Then I guess if you sign up with your old NeoGAF username and you were banned, you get banned? I’m not sure how’d they ban you otherwise. Then again, who knows what  Besada has in respect to email addresses and IPs. Sounds like that dude was a mainiac.

If bans do carry over it implies they have the database from GAF. Otherwise they're searching every name by Google but with no ban duration info ? It seems all so overly complicated to piece this info without the database that I don't understand why an upstart forum would bother even if trying to claim legitimacy as the true successor.

If they have the database... ? How ? I'd imagine Malka / GAF owns that.

We'll see tomorrow I guess.

I wouldn't be shocked if someone copied it before they left.

The database wasn't just laying around or something. You would either need direct access to the database (which moderators and even admins did not have) or you would have had to build a way to programmatically search the user data then store that in some file on your own computer. Not impossible, but a messy piece of work, especially on short notice.

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« Reply #7828 on: October 22, 2017, 11:20:07 PM »
this was posted on Discord GAF recently

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MattEnth - Today at 7:56 PM
Hey everyone,

OpenCritic cofounder here. We're also working on a substitute location. I wanted to give a little context behind why.

We care a lot about NeoGAF. NeoGAF represented 5% of our entire lifteimte traffic. In many ways, we attribute our success to this community. I'm not sure we would be where we are today without you all.

We are laser focused on making sure that the community survives rather than splintering and fracturing out.

With that in mind, our two chief concerns right now are both technical and community stability.

From a technical standpoint, NeoGAF is challenging. Handling thousands of simulatenous users all hitting a database cluster isn't easy to set up. The forums were one of the largest in gaming. We think we have the technical expertise required to handle it. We've already supported thousands of concurrent users on OpenCritic.

From a community standpoint, we're concerned about a fractured community. That's why we've elected to work with a few previous moderators and turn over all administrative decisions to them. We've implemented the same policies as the old forum, down to posting times and "no free email services." Our strategy is to get a stable community first, before conversations about policy or moderator changes.

That's about all we know.

Some other questions we've gotten:

"Where's it going to live?" - We don't know, but this is easy to change.
"What about X moderator/policy?" - We set up a subforum for discussions about policies.
"What about signatures?" - Unlikely for load reasons
"What about animated avatars?" - I dunno

Feel free to DM me any other questions.

Matthew

Boredfrom

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« Reply #7829 on: October 22, 2017, 11:20:07 PM »
Why would they nuke accounts upon asking?  That seems really strange.

We did just that. if people feared for privacy concerns or doxxing, we would assist them in deleting posts so that people couldn't troll through their entire post history looking for anything remotely suspect and then saying, "Ah ha! I found it! Secretly you are terrible!" That is a thing that actually happened to a poster, and was of particular concern to many female GAF posters.

They were afraid of being called out?  Also, a lot of users did that already in the forum itself.

Given that an active user may have posted literally thousands of things across years,  it is essentially guaranteed that a determined user could troll through that and find some quote or post that out of context seems really nasty (or even in context seems nasty, as all of us make mistakes). And yes, they were afraid of crusades or, in the case of women, more direct advances or threats.

You're right, that was often done inside the forum itself -- which is why some of these people left in the first place.

While the people doing it were often protected.

EightBitNate

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« Reply #7830 on: October 22, 2017, 11:20:14 PM »
Permabanning established members for trivial offenses was something I strongly disagreed with, philosophically. Unless you post porn, drop an n-bomb, act like benjipwns, or do something really beyond the pale, you shouldn't just be kicked out of a community for "trolling" or whatever.

Over time, most of the most interesting people were just cut completely out of the forum, and things really suffered for that.

Pretty much how I feel. I'm curious what percent of bans were solely from Besada or Bish. Opiate, could you chime in if you know?

VomKriege

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7831 on: October 22, 2017, 11:20:26 PM »
I'm confused by the "ban carry over" - "we'll contact all of GAF members" that ResetEra is allegedly doing... Do they have access to GAF user database ? How and why ? Or will they collect the data from public links ?

Probably pulling contact info from various community groups like steam, Xbox, destiny, twitter, etc to spread thecword. Then I guess if you sign up with your old NeoGAF username and you were banned, you get banned? I’m not sure how’d they ban you otherwise. Then again, who knows what  Besada has in respect to email addresses and IPs. Sounds like that dude was a mainiac.

If bans do carry over it implies they have the database from GAF. Otherwise they're searching every name by Google but with no ban duration info ? It seems all so overly complicated to piece this info without the database that I don't understand why an upstart forum would bother even if trying to claim legitimacy as the true successor.

If they have the database... ? How ? I'd imagine Malka / GAF owns that.

We'll see tomorrow I guess.

I wouldn't be shocked if someone copied it before they left.

Surely that can't be legal ?
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benjipwns

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« Reply #7832 on: October 22, 2017, 11:21:38 PM »
I think what we all really want to know is the status of rpgcrazied
Before it went down I found this:
RPGCrazied is the gift that never stops.

Today:
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Well said. All we have is accusations from this facebook person. I've been here a decade, going to need more then just her blaming the GAF owner of this.

Let the man speak for goodness sake.

When the original Facebook post was shared in that faux-"sister" thread a couple days ago:
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Wish I could see who it is so I can no longer listen to anything he says. They shouldn't get a free pass. I don't care if its a gaming person or the President of the United States.

Hollomat

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« Reply #7833 on: October 22, 2017, 11:21:42 PM »
if resetera is going to be run by the same mods im out

1. they didnt quit when they knew about Tyler Malka
2. their moderation is the reason the NUMBER 1 complaint about neogaf after this fiasco is when people spoke of gaf.....DUN DUN DUN. moderation
3. Same triggered and power hungry mods who favored users, gave some users instabans and kept their friends with no or temp bans for perma offenses

The moderation at GAF is one of its best qualities. Every other gaming site is infested with alt right shitheads, which turns engaging and honest dialogue into a complete waste of time.

Haha. Because you lean left its fantastic that the moderation is extremely left. The moderation was complete and utter shit. They complained left and right about nazis, but they were the nazis banning anyone who dared think differently than them. Every other gaming site isn't infested with alt right shit heads, every other gaming site is normal. It's neogaf that was the site infested with alt left idiots.

Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7834 on: October 22, 2017, 11:22:38 PM »
Why would they nuke accounts upon asking?  That seems really strange.

We did just that. if people feared for privacy concerns or doxxing, we would assist them in deleting posts so that people couldn't troll through their entire post history looking for anything remotely suspect and then saying, "Ah ha! I found it! Secretly you are terrible!" That is a thing that actually happened to a poster, and was of particular concern to many female GAF posters.

They were afraid of being called out?  Also, a lot of users did that already in the forum itself.

Given that an active user may have posted literally thousands of things across years,  it is essentially guaranteed that a determined user could troll through that and find some quote or post that out of context seems really nasty (or even in context seems nasty, as all of us make mistakes). And yes, they were afraid of crusades or, in the case of women, more direct advances or threats.

You're right, that was often done inside the forum itself -- which is why some of these people left in the first place.

While the people doing it were often protected.

As long as the person's crime was of the right kind, I agree.

Makai

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« Reply #7835 on: October 22, 2017, 11:23:55 PM »
Cerium won't even let former mods into the secret chat. Besada is not involved.

gfm793

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« Reply #7836 on: October 22, 2017, 11:24:32 PM »
which offshoot forum is the official Bobby Roberts Forum ?

 :bobby :bobby

Personally, I prefer the black Bobby Robert :bobby.

And also, I mostly agree that what Tyler did is sort of whatever. Like it’s definitely a creeper move, but he ain’t the first nor the last dude to read some wrong signals when drunk and trying to get some pussy. And considering that he piped her down for a while at some later date... how off was his detector anyway?

People calling this sexual assault must have come straight out of GAF OT. Good luck trying to convince a jury this was anything more than bad judgment. Dude made a bad call, then backs off when she’s not into it.

I feel like EL just wanted to live the frat boy dream of playing games, partying, and getting some strange, but accidentally turned his cash cow into a den of Social Studies Warrior judgmentalism and then it basically bit him in the ass.

I’m enjoying the schaudenfraude however.

I think the lessons here are pretty much don't create a forum of self righteous assholes, they will eventually come for you. And more importantly, don't stick your dick in the crazy.

Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7837 on: October 22, 2017, 11:24:52 PM »
Permabanning established members for trivial offenses was something I strongly disagreed with, philosophically. Unless you post porn, drop an n-bomb, act like benjipwns, or do something really beyond the pale, you shouldn't just be kicked out of a community for "trolling" or whatever.

Over time, most of the most interesting people were just cut completely out of the forum, and things really suffered for that.

Pretty much how I feel. I'm curious what percent of bans were solely from Besada or Bish. Opiate, could you chime in if you know?

Yes, I know. They were two of the more prolific banners, without question. Again, I was one of the least likely to ban: my bans-per-month was probably 5-10 (may sound like a lot, but over 150k users, was comparatively lenient).

thisismyusername

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7838 on: October 22, 2017, 11:25:51 PM »
The database wasn't just laying around or something. You would either need direct access to the database (which moderators and even admins did not have) or you would have had to build a way to programmatically search the user data then store that in some file on your own computer. Not impossible, but a messy piece of work, especially on short notice.

It's based on VBUlletin 3 isn't it?  There's a couple features in the admincp you could use to get a list of baanned user that would be less difficult to scrub.

The "generate mailing list" would give you a giant list of email addresses in one go for instance.

It would be MASSIVE and I feel iike that might break on GAF, but it depends on if any timeouts are set on things like DB queries or the http requests involved.

Old version, but yeah. 'Lore never updated it, so I'm sure there is some backdoor ( :doge ) folks could get through to get the DB.

hungrynoob

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7839 on: October 22, 2017, 11:26:22 PM »
1. If that is your wife i can't believe you just linked to her on a social media site.
2. I scrolled through real quick and didn't see any pics of a dude
3. I would

Why the fuck are you guys acting like posting a link to a public instagram is some unbelievable act?  Ya'll are fucking weird. 

edit: It's also not her normal social media account, it's an account she set up for gaming stuff as she wants to maybe be a streamer some day.. it's not an account she shares with family/friends or anything.
The assumption was that you were posting her social media account inviting people to talk about your personal life, without her knowledge. Im sure until you clarified that, you could understand why people would be a bit confused.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 11:40:10 PM by hungrynoob »

GrimBorne

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7840 on: October 22, 2017, 11:26:32 PM »
Resetera will fail so hard with the same crew. It's like they learned nothing. The same paranoia about Nazis, GG, racism and alt-right that destroyed the place >:( The SocJuice will leak everywhere. Tyler completely lost control of the monster he created, the mods and the SocJuice had total free reign. There was no coming back. He knew.

nudemacusers

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7841 on: October 22, 2017, 11:26:37 PM »
Permabanning established members for trivial offenses was something I strongly disagreed with, philosophically. Unless you post porn, drop an n-bomb, act like benjipwns, or do something really beyond the pale, you shouldn't just be kicked out of a community for "trolling" or whatever.

Over time, most of the most interesting people were just cut completely out of the forum, and things really suffered for that.

Pretty much how I feel. I'm curious what percent of bans were solely from Besada or Bish. Opiate, could you chime in if you know?

Yes, I know. They were two of the more prolific banners, without question. Again, I was one of the least likely to ban: my bans-per-month was probably 5-10 (may sound like a lot, but over 150k users, was comparatively lenient).
Did mods ever feel they banned me in error? I assume yes.
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Jenkem

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7842 on: October 22, 2017, 11:26:45 PM »
I'm confused by the "ban carry over" - "we'll contact all of GAF members" that ResetEra is allegedly doing... Do they have access to GAF user database ? How and why ? Or will they collect the data from public links ?

Probably pulling contact info from various community groups like steam, Xbox, destiny, twitter, etc to spread thecword. Then I guess if you sign up with your old NeoGAF username and you were banned, you get banned? I’m not sure how’d they ban you otherwise. Then again, who knows what  Besada has in respect to email addresses and IPs. Sounds like that dude was a mainiac.

If bans do carry over it implies they have the database from GAF. Otherwise they're searching every name by Google but with no ban duration info ? It seems all so overly complicated to piece this info without the database that I don't understand why an upstart forum would bother even if trying to claim legitimacy as the true successor.

If they have the database... ? How ? I'd imagine Malka / GAF owns that.

We'll see tomorrow I guess.

I wouldn't be shocked if someone copied it before they left.

Surely that can't be legal ?

Why would this matter to a moderator on NeoGAF?

Boredfrom

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7843 on: October 22, 2017, 11:26:48 PM »
Why would they nuke accounts upon asking?  That seems really strange.

We did just that. if people feared for privacy concerns or doxxing, we would assist them in deleting posts so that people couldn't troll through their entire post history looking for anything remotely suspect and then saying, "Ah ha! I found it! Secretly you are terrible!" That is a thing that actually happened to a poster, and was of particular concern to many female GAF posters.

They were afraid of being called out?  Also, a lot of users did that already in the forum itself.

Given that an active user may have posted literally thousands of things across years,  it is essentially guaranteed that a determined user could troll through that and find some quote or post that out of context seems really nasty (or even in context seems nasty, as all of us make mistakes). And yes, they were afraid of crusades or, in the case of women, more direct advances or threats.

You're right, that was often done inside the forum itself -- which is why some of these people left in the first place.

While the people doing it were often protected.

As long as the person's crime was of the right kind, I agree.

 ???

Jenkem

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7844 on: October 22, 2017, 11:27:49 PM »
Cerium won't even let former mods into the secret chat. Besada is not involved.

OK Cerium... how did your Hat in Time boycott go?  :doge

Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7845 on: October 22, 2017, 11:29:05 PM »
The database wasn't just laying around or something. You would either need direct access to the database (which moderators and even admins did not have) or you would have had to build a way to programmatically search the user data then store that in some file on your own computer. Not impossible, but a messy piece of work, especially on short notice.

It's based on VBUlletin 3 isn't it?  There's a couple features in the admincp you could use to get a list of baanned user that would be less difficult to scrub.

The "generate mailing list" would give you a giant list of email addresses in one go for instance.

It would be MASSIVE and I feel iike that might break on GAF, but it depends on if any timeouts are set on things like DB queries or the http requests involved.

That's possible. Again, a moderator, not an admin, here. The database itself I obviously never interacted with, but I do know it was Oracle-SQL based. While the general mailing list would give all members, I highly doubt that the mailing table also housed the ban fields -- I would presume those were stored in a child table. Just hypothesizing, of course.

Shuri

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7846 on: October 22, 2017, 11:29:19 PM »
 :neogaf If Neogaf really dies, I hope that the accounts database is going to be nuked from orbit, because since neogaf required real private emails, having all that shit leaked out in the open would be quite a drama bomb.

SwolDic

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7847 on: October 22, 2017, 11:30:53 PM »
:neogaf If Neogaf really dies, I hope that the accounts database is going to be nuked from orbit, because since neogaf required real private emails, having all that shit leaked out in the open would be quite a drama bomb.

Why? are people still that stupid to attach their real emails to some type of social media on the internet? Always use a fucking burner.

Nola

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7848 on: October 22, 2017, 11:32:04 PM »
Why would they nuke accounts upon asking?  That seems really strange.

We did just that. if people feared for privacy concerns or doxxing, we would assist them in deleting posts so that people couldn't troll through their entire post history looking for anything remotely suspect and then saying, "Ah ha! I found it! Secretly you are terrible!" That is a thing that actually happened to a poster, and was of particular concern to many female GAF posters.

They were afraid of being called out?  Also, a lot of users did that already in the forum itself.

Given that an active user may have posted literally thousands of things across years,  it is essentially guaranteed that a determined user could troll through that and find some quote or post that out of context seems really nasty (or even in context seems nasty, as all of us make mistakes). And yes, they were afraid of crusades or, in the case of women, more direct advances or threats.

You're right, that was often done inside the forum itself -- which is why some of these people left in the first place.

While the people doing it were often protected.

As long as the person's crime was of the right kind, I agree.

 ???

I think he is basically agreeing with you.

Let's Cyber

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7849 on: October 22, 2017, 11:32:11 PM »
Cerium won't even let former mods into the secret chat. Besada is not involved.
:rofl

So Cerium wants to roleplay as a power tripping GAF admin and managed to get 1000+ old GAF members to LARP with him?

Timedog

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« Reply #7850 on: October 22, 2017, 11:32:50 PM »
Hey Opiate, remember when I responded to you about something, eating dog meat or something, like 6 years ago, and you didn't respond back?

OWNED.
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benjipwns

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« Reply #7851 on: October 22, 2017, 11:33:05 PM »
Snagf

How do you even say that
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Broseidon

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7852 on: October 22, 2017, 11:34:59 PM »
cut back on the giant nested quotes ffs
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Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7853 on: October 22, 2017, 11:35:24 PM »
Did mods ever feel they banned me in error? I assume yes.

Absolutely. I think some of my bans were questionable -- I particularly feel bad about banning Bobby Roberts, actually, because he was talking directly to me, and I hated hated banning anyone actually conversing with me, even if there responses were hostile, crude, or mean spirited, because the last thing I wanted was to abuse my power and I don't trust my objectivity when I'm dealing with someone personally insulting me. I think I could have gone lighter, but I was simply so tired of left-leaning people feeling free reign to be bigoted or mean spirited in their own way and not receive any repercussions. It may have been fair, but I felt bad about it anyway. It was also the first time Bish and I had an argument.

More commonly,  one of us would post a ban in the moderator thread, and another might say "I think that's a bit harsh," or "That guy said something ridiculous last week and I let him off the hook, so let's up that to two weeks instead of one," or some such. I'd say we had a few of these community-correction ban changes a week. Most were just cataloged in the moderator forum and then we moved on.

Short story: we're not perfect, but I do think most mods were intelligent people and at least some of us were explicitly attempting to avoid favoritism or tribalism. 

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Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7855 on: October 22, 2017, 11:37:33 PM »
That's possible. Again, a moderator, not an admin, here. The database itself I obviously never interacted with, but I do know it was Oracle-SQL based. While the general mailing list would give all members, I highly doubt that the mailing table also housed the ban fields -- I would presume those were stored in a child table. Just hypothesizing, of course.

The generate mailing list feature built into VBulletin allows you to filter on the field that indicates if a user is banned (Primary User Group.)

Doesn't require direct access to the DB. 

There's also just a generic "SQL query" feature built into the admin cp if its enabled, where you can run arbitrary queries.  You'd need access to the code base itself to see the connection string and connect with another client but it could do just about anything you'd want unless again, timeouts are configured.

But to my knowledge the mailing list doesn't given ban duration, which would presumably be a necessary field if they wanted to auto-populate data in to their new database or something. If they're doing it by hand... that seems like an awful lot of work for very little gain.

Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7856 on: October 22, 2017, 11:38:15 PM »
Hey Opiate, remember when I responded to you about something, eating dog meat or something, like 6 years ago, and you didn't respond back?

OWNED.

You'll be happy to know this wasn't because I didn't read it -- I was simply so shocked, so embarrassed, that I could not reply for weeks. By the time I had a witty retort, the thread was long since passed.

Interficium

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - Evilore? I don't know her.
« Reply #7857 on: October 22, 2017, 11:38:29 PM »
Opencritic, the metacritic clone started because gaf thought metacritic was editorializing too much but a couple years later announced they'll be editing review scores based on "if there are microtransactions."

I can't think of a more apt place for zombie gaf to be hosted.

injurai

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« Reply #7858 on: October 22, 2017, 11:38:45 PM »
Do they really care about carrying over bans, outside a few specific household names? I'm sure their new moderation policies will clean house in no time.

Bamelin

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« Reply #7859 on: October 22, 2017, 11:38:50 PM »
Personal opinion but the forum fell apart because of Social Justiz Warrior crusading on the part of both members encouraged by moderators.

My perma ban 3 months ago for example was for the crime of admitting to be a deplorable who supports Trump.  I spoke out in the "punch nazis" thread stating that violence against any group is wrong.  Especially when the extremist Left was pushing the Overton window on the forum to define ANYBODY not extremist Left as being as Nazi.  This created a forum that radicalized folks on the Left.  Of course I was piled on, told I was being disgenious, and eventually quietly perma banned. 

I was a 12 year member with tens of thousands of posts.  Also represented Sony for awhile via the MVP program (officially tagged at the time).

The hardcore leftist Social Justiz Warrior bent of GAF fucked what made the forum great.  Hundreds of awesome posters left or were banned between 2014 - 2017.