Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[Jansen]

Cerium won't even let former mods into the secret chat. Besada is not involved.

So Cerium wants to roleplay as a power tripping GAF admin and managed to get 1000+ old GAF members to LARP with him?

hopefully him and all the sales-age obsessed nintendo fans stay contained there forever

[gfm793]

People on GAF thinking all other gaming sites are filled with nothing but alt-right trolls is laughable. I mean these are the people who banned Boogie2988 for daring to think that GG shouldn't be trated as non-humans, and maybe talking things out would help. The bastard.

But it didn't matter, if you weren't sufficiently pious to the official GAF religion you were either a pariah, or outright excommunicated. Tiny infractions of their code created huge responses. Just as Tim Soret how well things went. And the people like Lime and besada always set themselves up as the good guys. They couldn't possibly be in the wrong. It was everyone else, a constant war against phantom racists, sexists and white supremacy.

It makes me think of this line from Justified:

"You ever hear of the saying "you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole; you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."

If there is one positive that might come out of GAF imploding, and I did very much like the forum outside of politics, is that we may get a lot less mobilization of witch hunts against anyone the ctrl-Left thinks is wrong.

[Pepinappe]

Absolutely. I think some of my bans were questionable -- I particularly feel bad about banning Bobby Roberts, actually, because he was talking directly to me, and I hated hated banning anyone actually conversing with me, even if there responses were hostile, crude, or mean spirited, because the last thing I wanted was to abuse my power and I don't trust my objectivity when I'm dealing with someone personally insulting me. I think I could have gone lighter, but I was simply so tired of left-leaning people feeling free reign to be bigoted or mean spirited in their own way and not receive any repercussions. It may have been fair, but I felt bad about it anyway. It was also the first time Bish and I had an argument.

More commonly,  one of us would post a ban in the moderator thread, and another might say "I think that's a bit harsh," or "That guy said something ridiculous last week and I let him off the hook, so let's up that to two weeks instead of one," or some such. I'd say we had a few of these community-correction ban changes a week. Most were just cataloged in the moderator forum and then we moved on.

Short story: we're not perfect, but I do think most mods were intelligent people and at least some of us were explicitly attempting to avoid favoritism or tribalism.

During NaNoWriMo, who writes the longest novels, you or Mumei?

[seagrams hotsauce]

The idea of trying to revive GAF as a messageboard is such a dumb and misguided idea I don't even know where to begin. Message boards in general are going out of vogue, and the whole appeal of them is the community they hold. The community of GAF just splintered into a half dozen+ various other communities, and it's fruitless to provide a place to congregate if you can't immediately provide it when they start to ditch their last board. Honestly nowadays it makes more sense to just use something like Discord and subdivide it into channels for the previous OTs, communities etc.

[nudemacusers]

Did mods ever feel they banned me in error? I assume yes.

Absolutely. I think some of my bans were questionable -- I particularly feel bad about banning Bobby Roberts, actually, because he was talking directly to me, and I hated hated banning anyone actually conversing with me, even if there responses were hostile, crude, or mean spirited, because the last thing I wanted was to abuse my power and I don't trust my objectivity when I'm dealing with someone personally insulting me. I think I could have gone lighter, but I was simply so tired of left-leaning people feeling free reign to be bigoted or mean spirited in their own way and not receive any repercussions. It may have been fair, but I felt bad about it anyway. It was also the first time Bish and I had an argument.

More commonly,  one of us would post a ban in the moderator thread, and another might say "I think that's a bit harsh," or "That guy said something ridiculous last week and I let him off the hook, so let's up that to two weeks instead of one," or some such. I'd say we had a few of these community-correction ban changes a week. Most were just cataloged in the moderator forum and then we moved on.

Short story: we're not perfect, but I do think most mods were intelligent people and at least some of us were explicitly attempting to avoid favoritism or tribalism.

Tfw bobby roberts steals the focus from a question about yourself 😫

[BlackBuzzard]

Nintendo fans ruined media create threads.

[Opiate]

Do they really care about carrying over bans, outside a few specific household names? I'm sure their new moderation policies will clean house in no time.

It seems like a terrible policy. As you note, if someone was not an infamous troll who clearly intended to cause trouble then in most cases the worst case scenario is 1) the person signs up for new site, then 2) gets banned three months later as their behavior hasn't changed. Happened all the time: PhoenixDark was banned 20+ times while I was moderator.

[Boredfrom]

Personal opinion but the forum fell apart because of Social Studies Warrior crusading on the part of both members encouraged by moderators.

My perma ban 3 months ago for example was for the crime of admitting to be a deplorable who supports Trump  I spoke out in the "punch nazis" thread stating that violence against any group is wrong.  Especially when the extremist Left was pushing the Overton window on the forum to define ANYBODY not extremist Left as being as Nazi.  This created a forum that radicalized folks on the Left.  Of course I was piled on, told I was being disgenious, and eventually quietly perma banned. 

I was a 12 year member with tens of thousands of posts.  Also represented Sony for awhile via the MVP program (officially tagged at the time).

The hardcore leftist Social Studies Warrior bent of GAF fucked what made the forum great.  Hundreds of awesome posters left or were banned between 2014 - 2017.

Yeah, that is actually shitty at this point. Maybe you shouldn't.

[Opiate]

But to my knowledge the mailing list doesn't given ban duration, which would presumably be a necessary field if they wanted to auto-populate data in to their new database or something. If they're doing it by hand... that seems like an awful lot of work for very little gain.

Oh for sure, would need to be able to directly query the DB for that sort of info en masse.  Although there is a "view banned users" feature built in that does have all the relevant info, I believe it reports the results in a pageable grid,so you'd have to write some sort of script to page through and scrape the data.

I think it's unlikely anyone has the data personally; unless someone privy to DB backups or something was involved.  As far as I know only Evil and Gromph have that kind of access?

Point of note: that grid does indeed exist, and you could definitely write a script to pull the data. I'm just not sure anyone had the time, unless they were already planning this ahead of time. It doesn't sound like most moderators had much time to collect their things, as it were.

Yes, Gromph and Evil were the only ones with that level of access.

[Interficium]

Nintendo fans ruined media create threads.

"Breath of the Wild will absolutely get to 20 million sold by the end of next year!!"

Nintendo. Not even once.

[Opiate]

Did mods ever feel they banned me in error? I assume yes.

Absolutely. I think some of my bans were questionable -- I particularly feel bad about banning Bobby Roberts, actually, because he was talking directly to me, and I hated hated banning anyone actually conversing with me, even if there responses were hostile, crude, or mean spirited, because the last thing I wanted was to abuse my power and I don't trust my objectivity when I'm dealing with someone personally insulting me. I think I could have gone lighter, but I was simply so tired of left-leaning people feeling free reign to be bigoted or mean spirited in their own way and not receive any repercussions. It may have been fair, but I felt bad about it anyway. It was also the first time Bish and I had an argument.

More commonly,  one of us would post a ban in the moderator thread, and another might say "I think that's a bit harsh," or "That guy said something ridiculous last week and I let him off the hook, so let's up that to two weeks instead of one," or some such. I'd say we had a few of these community-correction ban changes a week. Most were just cataloged in the moderator forum and then we moved on.

Short story: we're not perfect, but I do think most mods were intelligent people and at least some of us were explicitly attempting to avoid favoritism or tribalism.

Tfw bobby roberts steals the focus from a question about yourself 😫

I apologize, but since I didn't personally ban you, I don't have a recollection of if someone felt bad about it or not. It's possible!

[Opiate]

Absolutely. I think some of my bans were questionable -- I particularly feel bad about banning Bobby Roberts, actually, because he was talking directly to me, and I hated hated banning anyone actually conversing with me, even if there responses were hostile, crude, or mean spirited, because the last thing I wanted was to abuse my power and I don't trust my objectivity when I'm dealing with someone personally insulting me. I think I could have gone lighter, but I was simply so tired of left-leaning people feeling free reign to be bigoted or mean spirited in their own way and not receive any repercussions. It may have been fair, but I felt bad about it anyway. It was also the first time Bish and I had an argument.

More commonly,  one of us would post a ban in the moderator thread, and another might say "I think that's a bit harsh," or "That guy said something ridiculous last week and I let him off the hook, so let's up that to two weeks instead of one," or some such. I'd say we had a few of these community-correction ban changes a week. Most were just cataloged in the moderator forum and then we moved on.

Short story: we're not perfect, but I do think most mods were intelligent people and at least some of us were explicitly attempting to avoid favoritism or tribalism.

During NaNoWriMo, who writes the longest novels, you or Mumei?

Mumei. Great poster, good friend.

[daemon]

if resetera is going to be run by the same mods im out

1. they didnt quit when they knew about Tyler Malka
2. their moderation is the reason the NUMBER 1 complaint about neogaf after this fiasco is when people spoke of gaf.....DUN DUN DUN. moderation
3. Same triggered and power hungry mods who favored users, gave some users instabans and kept their friends with no or temp bans for perma offenses

The moderation at GAF is one of its best qualities. Every other gaming site is infested with alt right shitheads, which turns engaging and honest dialogue into a complete waste of time.

The best way to engage in honest dialogue is by supressing everything you find dishonest, obviously. Do you have a little man voice in your head? Don't worry, it's a common trait on wannabe dictators.

[Swollen Bowels]

if resetera is going to be run by the same mods im out

1. they didnt quit when they knew about Tyler Malka
2. their moderation is the reason the NUMBER 1 complaint about neogaf after this fiasco is when people spoke of gaf.....DUN DUN DUN. moderation
3. Same triggered and power hungry mods who favored users, gave some users instabans and kept their friends with no or temp bans for perma offenses

The moderation at GAF is one of its best qualities. Every other gaming site is infested with alt right shitheads, which turns engaging and honest dialogue into a complete waste of time.

Haha. Because you lean left its fantastic that the moderation is extremely left. The moderation was complete and utter shit. They complained left and right about nazis, but they were the nazis banning anyone who dared think differently than them. Every other gaming site isn't infested with alt right shit heads, every other gaming site is normal. It's neogaf that was the site infested with alt left idiots.

thinking differently can manifest in many terrible ways. a racist thinks differently than me, but that doesn't mean i have to respect their opinion, nor did GAF have to tolerate their presence. in your eyes, if normal means harboring views that i find unconscionable, then i must be a abnormal as fuck.

[Timedog]

Hey Opiate, remember when I responded to you about something, eating dog meat or something, like 6 years ago, and you didn't respond back?

OWNED.

You'll be happy to know this wasn't because I didn't read it -- I was simply so shocked, so embarrassed, that I could not reply for weeks. By the time I had a witty retort, the thread was long since passed.

No clue if this is a serious response or not.

But this question is not a troll. Do you regret the situation that got you ousted? Do you feel your behavior was unwarranted, or do you you feel the response was too much?

[injurai]

Did mods ever feel they banned me in error? I assume yes.

Absolutely. I think some of my bans were questionable -- I particularly feel bad about banning Bobby Roberts, actually, because he was talking directly to me, and I hated hated banning anyone actually conversing with me, even if there responses were hostile, crude, or mean spirited, because the last thing I wanted was to abuse my power and I don't trust my objectivity when I'm dealing with someone personally insulting me. I think I could have gone lighter, but I was simply so tired of left-leaning people feeling free reign to be bigoted or mean spirited in their own way and not receive any repercussions. It may have been fair, but I felt bad about it anyway. It was also the first time Bish and I had an argument.

More commonly,  one of us would post a ban in the moderator thread, and another might say "I think that's a bit harsh," or "That guy said something ridiculous last week and I let him off the hook, so let's up that to two weeks instead of one," or some such. I'd say we had a few of these community-correction ban changes a week. Most were just cataloged in the moderator forum and then we moved on.

Short story: we're not perfect, but I do think most mods were intelligent people and at least some of us were explicitly attempting to avoid favoritism or tribalism.

However the bans were conducted, when I caught a perm it cited a previous string of bans that I had never caught. Almost everyone wants to tout themselves off as being reasonable, but it's clear that others had desperate narratives to justify. I really got a sense during the 2016 election cycle that people loathed sharing the same space with certain kinds of people.

[Let's Cyber]

Tbf anyone who EVER supported Trump is questionable af. 

fixed

[Bamelin]

Personal opinion but the forum fell apart because of Social Studies Warrior crusading on the part of both members encouraged by moderators.

My perma ban 3 months ago for example was for the crime of admitting to be a deplorable who supports Trump  I spoke out in the "punch nazis" thread stating that violence against any group is wrong.  Especially when the extremist Left was pushing the Overton window on the forum to define ANYBODY not extremist Left as being as Nazi.  This created a forum that radicalized folks on the Left.  Of course I was piled on, told I was being disgenious, and eventually quietly perma banned. 

I was a 12 year member with tens of thousands of posts.  Also represented Sony for awhile via the MVP program (officially tagged at the time).

The hardcore leftist Social Studies Warrior bent of GAF fucked what made the forum great.  Hundreds of awesome posters left or were banned between 2014 - 2017.

Yeah, that is actually shitty at this point. Maybe you shouldn't.

That's my point brother.  Whether you agree with my politics or not, demonizing half the country that supports the President is BS.  Never mind the fact that the Left of GAF essentially declared ANYONE not extreme left to be a Nazi.

It was fucking ridiculous, especially for a forum claiming to be a "neutral meeting ground" for discussion.  The place was anything but, more like an ideological echo chamber where WrongThink would be dealt with swiftly and harshly via pile ons then bans.

[hungrynoob]

The idea of trying to revive GAF as a messageboard is such a dumb and misguided idea I don't even know where to begin. Message boards in general are going out of vogue, and the whole appeal of them is the community they hold. The community of GAF just splintered into a half dozen+ various other communities, and it's fruitless to provide a place to congregate if you can't immediately provide it when they start to ditch their last board. Honestly nowadays it makes more sense to just use something like Discord and subdivide it into channels for the previous OTs, communities etc.

Messageboads will not die because its easier point of access than discord, not everyone is comfortable being directly involved with a text/voice chat room immediately involving themselves in a new community.

[Boredfrom]

Hey Opiate, remember when I responded to you about something, eating dog meat or something, like 6 years ago, and you didn't respond back?

OWNED.

You'll be happy to know this wasn't because I didn't read it -- I was simply so shocked, so embarrassed, that I could not reply for weeks. By the time I had a witty retort, the thread was long since passed.

No clue if this is a serious response or not.

But this question is not a troll. Do you regret the situation that got you ousted? Do you feel your behavior was unwarranted, or do you you feel the response was too much?

It is Opiate, dude.

[ZephyrFate]

anyone who complains about "SJWs" or the "ctrl-left" (possibly even stupider than the concept of "alt-left") while admitting they are a Trump supporter automatically places your opinion in a dumpster fire.

[ZephyrFate]

Personal opinion but the forum fell apart because of Social Studies Warrior crusading on the part of both members encouraged by moderators.

My perma ban 3 months ago for example was for the crime of admitting to be a deplorable who supports Trump  I spoke out in the "punch nazis" thread stating that violence against any group is wrong.  Especially when the extremist Left was pushing the Overton window on the forum to define ANYBODY not extremist Left as being as Nazi.  This created a forum that radicalized folks on the Left.  Of course I was piled on, told I was being disgenious, and eventually quietly perma banned. 

I was a 12 year member with tens of thousands of posts.  Also represented Sony for awhile via the MVP program (officially tagged at the time).

The hardcore leftist Social Studies Warrior bent of GAF fucked what made the forum great.  Hundreds of awesome posters left or were banned between 2014 - 2017.

Yeah, that is actually shitty at this point. Maybe you shouldn't.

That's my point brother.  Whether you agree with my politics or not, demonizing half the country that supports the President is BS.  Never mind the fact that the Left of GAF essentially declared ANYONE not extreme left to be a Nazi.

It was fucking ridiculous, especially for a forum claiming to be a "neutral meeting ground" for discussion.  The place was anything but, more like an ideological echo chamber where WrongThink would be dealt with swiftly and harshly via pile ons then bans.

No, no, the deplorables who continue to support Trump still very much deserve scorn in every possible fashion everywhere.

this includes you

maybe it's time to rethink your politics

[Boredfrom]

Personal opinion but the forum fell apart because of Social Studies Warrior crusading on the part of both members encouraged by moderators.

My perma ban 3 months ago for example was for the crime of admitting to be a deplorable who supports Trump  I spoke out in the "punch nazis" thread stating that violence against any group is wrong.  Especially when the extremist Left was pushing the Overton window on the forum to define ANYBODY not extremist Left as being as Nazi.  This created a forum that radicalized folks on the Left.  Of course I was piled on, told I was being disgenious, and eventually quietly perma banned. 

I was a 12 year member with tens of thousands of posts.  Also represented Sony for awhile via the MVP program (officially tagged at the time).

The hardcore leftist Social Studies Warrior bent of GAF fucked what made the forum great.  Hundreds of awesome posters left or were banned between 2014 - 2017.

Yeah, that is actually shitty at this point. Maybe you shouldn't.

That's my point brother.  Whether you agree with my politics or not, demonizing half the country that supports the President is BS.  Never mind the fact that the Left of GAF essentially declared ANYONE not extreme left to be a Nazi.

It was fucking ridiculous, especially for a forum claiming to be a "neutral meeting ground" for discussion.  The place was anything but, more like an ideological echo chamber where WrongThink would be dealt with swiftly and harshly via pile ons then bans.

You are not even half of the country. And pls, I don't blame you for voting Trump but is time to stop.

[Swollen Bowels]

Personal opinion but the forum fell apart because of Social Studies Warrior crusading on the part of both members encouraged by moderators.

My perma ban 3 months ago for example was for the crime of admitting to be a deplorable who supports Trump  I spoke out in the "punch nazis" thread stating that violence against any group is wrong.  Especially when the extremist Left was pushing the Overton window on the forum to define ANYBODY not extremist Left as being as Nazi.  This created a forum that radicalized folks on the Left.  Of course I was piled on, told I was being disgenious, and eventually quietly perma banned. 

I was a 12 year member with tens of thousands of posts.  Also represented Sony for awhile via the MVP program (officially tagged at the time).

The hardcore leftist Social Studies Warrior bent of GAF fucked what made the forum great.  Hundreds of awesome posters left or were banned between 2014 - 2017.

Yeah, that is actually shitty at this point. Maybe you shouldn't.

That's my point brother.  Whether you agree with my politics or not, demonizing half the country that supports the President is BS.  Never mind the fact that the Left of GAF essentially declared ANYONE not extreme left to be a Nazi.

It was fucking ridiculous, especially for a forum claiming to be a "neutral meeting ground" for discussion.  The place was anything but, more like an ideological echo chamber where WrongThink would be dealt with swiftly and harshly via pile ons then bans.

if half the country voted for a white supremacist for President, they deserve to be demonized.

[Clockwork5]

I'm confused by the "ban carry over" - "we'll contact all of GAF members" that ResetEra is allegedly doing... Do they have access to GAF user database ? How and why ? Or will they collect the data from public links ?

They can just find it on Neogaf.com. 

[seagrams hotsauce]

Personal opinion but the forum fell apart because of Social Studies Warrior crusading on the part of both members encouraged by moderators.

My perma ban 3 months ago for example was for the crime of admitting to be a deplorable who supports Trump  I spoke out in the "punch nazis" thread stating that violence against any group is wrong.  Especially when the extremist Left was pushing the Overton window on the forum to define ANYBODY not extremist Left as being as Nazi.  This created a forum that radicalized folks on the Left.  Of course I was piled on, told I was being disgenious, and eventually quietly perma banned. 

I was a 12 year member with tens of thousands of posts.  Also represented Sony for awhile via the MVP program (officially tagged at the time).

The hardcore leftist Social Studies Warrior bent of GAF fucked what made the forum great.  Hundreds of awesome posters left or were banned between 2014 - 2017.

Yeah, that is actually shitty at this point. Maybe you shouldn't.

That's my point brother.  Whether you agree with my politics or not, demonizing half the country that supports the President is BS.  Never mind the fact that the Left of GAF essentially declared ANYONE not extreme left to be a Nazi.

It was fucking ridiculous, especially for a forum claiming to be a "neutral meeting ground" for discussion.  The place was anything but, more like an ideological echo chamber where WrongThink would be dealt with swiftly and harshly via pile ons then bans.

36% is a small half, """""brother"""""

[Boredfrom]

Personal opinion but the forum fell apart because of Social Studies Warrior crusading on the part of both members encouraged by moderators.

My perma ban 3 months ago for example was for the crime of admitting to be a deplorable who supports Trump  I spoke out in the "punch nazis" thread stating that violence against any group is wrong.  Especially when the extremist Left was pushing the Overton window on the forum to define ANYBODY not extremist Left as being as Nazi.  This created a forum that radicalized folks on the Left.  Of course I was piled on, told I was being disgenious, and eventually quietly perma banned. 

I was a 12 year member with tens of thousands of posts.  Also represented Sony for awhile via the MVP program (officially tagged at the time).

The hardcore leftist Social Studies Warrior bent of GAF fucked what made the forum great.  Hundreds of awesome posters left or were banned between 2014 - 2017.

Yeah, that is actually shitty at this point. Maybe you shouldn't.

That's my point brother.  Whether you agree with my politics or not, demonizing half the country that supports the President is BS.  Never mind the fact that the Left of GAF essentially declared ANYONE not extreme left to be a Nazi.

It was fucking ridiculous, especially for a forum claiming to be a "neutral meeting ground" for discussion.  The place was anything but, more like an ideological echo chamber where WrongThink would be dealt with swiftly and harshly via pile ons then bans.

if half the country voted for a white supremacist for President, they deserve to be demonized.

You are not much better. Fuck off.

[Bamelin]

anyone who complains about "Social Studies Warriors" or the "ctrl-left" (possibly even stupider than the concept of "alt-left") while admitting they are a Trump supporter automatically places your opinion in a dumpster fire.

Your opinion.  There were massive amounts of posters that hate Social Studies Warrior bullshit and just wanted to talk about games.  When the Social Studies Warrior garbage spilled out of OT into Gaming over Gamergate it was the beginning of the end for GAF.  It's also when the modding developed an ideological bent that placed banning political WrongThink over what was actually important on GAF - gaming

[Yeti]

I don't know why so many people like the high speed/low quality style of message boards like neogaf, trying to keep up with this thread since last night has been miserable.

[daemon]

Personal opinion but the forum fell apart because of Social Studies Warrior crusading on the part of both members encouraged by moderators.

My perma ban 3 months ago for example was for the crime of admitting to be a deplorable who supports Trump  I spoke out in the "punch nazis" thread stating that violence against any group is wrong.  Especially when the extremist Left was pushing the Overton window on the forum to define ANYBODY not extremist Left as being as Nazi.  This created a forum that radicalized folks on the Left.  Of course I was piled on, told I was being disgenious, and eventually quietly perma banned. 

I was a 12 year member with tens of thousands of posts.  Also represented Sony for awhile via the MVP program (officially tagged at the time).

The hardcore leftist Social Studies Warrior bent of GAF fucked what made the forum great.  Hundreds of awesome posters left or were banned between 2014 - 2017.

Yeah, that is actually shitty at this point. Maybe you shouldn't.

That's my point brother.  Whether you agree with my politics or not, demonizing half the country that supports the President is BS.  Never mind the fact that the Left of GAF essentially declared ANYONE not extreme left to be a Nazi.

It was fucking ridiculous, especially for a forum claiming to be a "neutral meeting ground" for discussion.  The place was anything but, more like an ideological echo chamber where WrongThink would be dealt with swiftly and harshly via pile ons then bans.

if half the country voted for a white supremacist for President, they deserve to be demonized.

That's why no one outside of GAF would take you seriously.

[Timedog]

It is Opiate, dude.

This is why I'm unsure if it was a serious post. Most people I'd assume they were half-trolling me back, but it's rare to see an Opiate post that's not direct and literal. I'm not even saying that's a bad thing.

[ZephyrFate]

anyone who complains about "Social Studies Warriors" or the "ctrl-left" (possibly even stupider than the concept of "alt-left") while admitting they are a Trump supporter automatically places your opinion in a dumpster fire.

Your opinion.  There were massive amounts of posters that hate Social Studies Warrior bullshit and just wanted to talk about games.  When the Social Studies Warrior garbage spilled into Gaming over Gamergate it was the beginning of the end for GAF.  It's also when the modding developed an ideological bent that placed political WrongThink over what was actually important on GAF - gaming

I mean, it's pretty much fact. Trump is a piece of shit on many, many different levels. Your inability to see that isn't my problem, nor do I understand why you think The Bore is a safe space for this

[Boredfrom]

anyone who complains about "Social Studies Warriors" or the "ctrl-left" (possibly even stupider than the concept of "alt-left") while admitting they are a Trump supporter automatically places your opinion in a dumpster fire.

Your opinion.  There were massive amounts of posters that hate Social Studies Warrior bullshit and just wanted to talk about games.  When the Social Studies Warrior garbage spilled into Gaming over Gamergate it was the beginning of the end for GAF.  It's also when the modding developed an ideological bent that placed banning political WrongThink over what was actually important on GAF - gaming

Disliking Social Studies Warrior doesn't mean supporting Trump or alt right cronies, at least not at this point.

[joe_zazen]

.

[zomgee]

I don't know why so many people like the high speed/low quality style of message boards like neogaf, trying to keep up with this thread since last night has been miserable.

OMG WHAT HAPEN TO GAF

[Bamelin]

anyone who complains about "Social Studies Warriors" or the "ctrl-left" (possibly even stupider than the concept of "alt-left") while admitting they are a Trump supporter automatically places your opinion in a dumpster fire.

Your opinion.  There were massive amounts of posters that hate Social Studies Warrior bullshit and just wanted to talk about games.  When the Social Studies Warrior garbage spilled into Gaming over Gamergate it was the beginning of the end for GAF.  It's also when the modding developed an ideological bent that placed political WrongThink over what was actually important on GAF - gaming

I mean, it's pretty much fact. Trump is a piece of shit on many, many different levels. Your inability to see that isn't my problem, nor do I understand why you think The Bore is a safe space for this

I think the Bore isn't GAF, and different political opinions are welcome here.  Your "HALP MODS" won't work here.

[Mr. Nobody]

So if they set up a GAF replacement and Dennis registers, is Dennis essentially unbanned on GAF?

I heard bans carry over.

 

ResetEra my ass

[Opiate]

Hey Opiate, remember when I responded to you about something, eating dog meat or something, like 6 years ago, and you didn't respond back?

OWNED.

You'll be happy to know this wasn't because I didn't read it -- I was simply so shocked, so embarrassed, that I could not reply for weeks. By the time I had a witty retort, the thread was long since passed.

No clue if this is a serious response or not.

But this question is not a troll. Do you regret the situation that got you ousted? Do you feel your behavior was unwarranted, or do you you feel the response was too much?

I think I definitely may have made mistakes, but it was legitimately a very complicated situation discussing a very difficult topic. I've mentioned this earlier in the thread, but several posts by Fiction were deleted (by her, not the mods, I could see who deleted posts) which were very crude and mean spirited, telling another poster to "Fuck off," for instance.

This is tough, I hope you will appreciate. While Fiction definitely wasn't this bad, imagine a person who has been abused who comes in and tells literally everyone who disagrees with them to fuck off, then insists on not listening to evidence that doesn't conform to their view. At what point does that become unacceptable? We want to listen to them, definitely, but when do they cross a line where you need to ask them to take a breather?

I may not have done it as tactfully as one would hope. That's totally possible. But I certainly did not intend to hurt Fiction, as I considered her a friend, an intelligent person, and a great poster. I maintain that it's very difficult to address such a topic perfectly, as you absolutely want to listen to allow posters like Fiction to tell their stories, but you also don't want to let them tell people to fuck off or say that they refuse to listen to any evidence that disagrees with her (Which she stated pretty explicitly). Under any other circumstance behavior like that would have gotten a user banned: I was simply trying to calm her down because the issue was quite understandably heating her up.

[davepoobond]

I'm confused by the "ban carry over" - "we'll contact all of GAF members" that ResetEra is allegedly doing... Do they have access to GAF user database ? How and why ? Or will they collect the data from public links ?

lol contact all GAF members my ass

[Boredfrom]

Clinton v Trump, oh lord...

Many here are not exactly pro Clinton, either.

[Timedog]

I don't know why so many people like the high speed/low quality style of message boards like neogaf, trying to keep up with this thread since last night has been miserable.

This is actually a really fucking good point. This is also why the community forum made sense as GAF got bigger.

[EmilioEstevez]

Regarding the whole database and banned users, vBulletin 3 has a option to backup the database in the admin CP by default, so unless it was specifically hidden it would have been super simple for an admin to download specific tables with info on users and bans etc, or even the whole thing to get a complete clone of the place

[ZephyrFate]

anyone who complains about "Social Studies Warriors" or the "ctrl-left" (possibly even stupider than the concept of "alt-left") while admitting they are a Trump supporter automatically places your opinion in a dumpster fire.

Your opinion.  There were massive amounts of posters that hate Social Studies Warrior bullshit and just wanted to talk about games.  When the Social Studies Warrior garbage spilled into Gaming over Gamergate it was the beginning of the end for GAF.  It's also when the modding developed an ideological bent that placed political WrongThink over what was actually important on GAF - gaming

I mean, it's pretty much fact. Trump is a piece of shit on many, many different levels. Your inability to see that isn't my problem, nor do I understand why you think The Bore is a safe space for this

I think the Bore isn't GAF, and different political opinions are welcome here.  Your "HALP MODS" won't work here.

Not even calling for moderation here. Just saying that you're going to be shit on continuously every time you post about supporting Trump. If that's your fetish, well, have fun

[Himu]

anyone who complains about "Social Studies Warriors" or the "ctrl-left" (possibly even stupider than the concept of "alt-left") while admitting they are a Trump supporter automatically places your opinion in a dumpster fire.

Your opinion.  There were massive amounts of posters that hate Social Studies Warrior bullshit and just wanted to talk about games.  When the Social Studies Warrior garbage spilled into Gaming over Gamergate it was the beginning of the end for GAF.  It's also when the modding developed an ideological bent that placed political WrongThink over what was actually important on GAF - gaming

I mean, it's pretty much fact. Trump is a piece of shit on many, many different levels. Your inability to see that isn't my problem, nor do I understand why you think The Bore is a safe space for this

I think the Bore isn't GAF, and different political opinions are welcome here.  Your "HALP MODS" won't work here.

Different opinions ARE welcome here...

BUT

You'll still be clowned

Just roll with it. Why do you still support Trump as of now? He's doing an awful job and his administration is in tatters.

[Boredfrom]

anyone who complains about "Social Studies Warriors" or the "ctrl-left" (possibly even stupider than the concept of "alt-left") while admitting they are a Trump supporter automatically places your opinion in a dumpster fire.

Your opinion.  There were massive amounts of posters that hate Social Studies Warrior bullshit and just wanted to talk about games.  When the Social Studies Warrior garbage spilled into Gaming over Gamergate it was the beginning of the end for GAF.  It's also when the modding developed an ideological bent that placed political WrongThink over what was actually important on GAF - gaming

I mean, it's pretty much fact. Trump is a piece of shit on many, many different levels. Your inability to see that isn't my problem, nor do I understand why you think The Bore is a safe space for this

I think the Bore isn't GAF, and different political opinions are welcome here.  Your "HALP MODS" won't work here.

Lol not even Etiolate likes Trump.

[BlackBuzzard]

So if they set up a GAF replacement and Dennis registers, is Dennis essentially unbanned on GAF?

I heard bans carry over.

 

ResetEra my ass

Only if you been a good boy/girl.

[seagrams hotsauce]

anyone who complains about "Social Studies Warriors" or the "ctrl-left" (possibly even stupider than the concept of "alt-left") while admitting they are a Trump supporter automatically places your opinion in a dumpster fire.

Your opinion.  There were massive amounts of posters that hate Social Studies Warrior bullshit and just wanted to talk about games.  When the Social Studies Warrior garbage spilled into Gaming over Gamergate it was the beginning of the end for GAF.  It's also when the modding developed an ideological bent that placed political WrongThink over what was actually important on GAF - gaming

I mean, it's pretty much fact. Trump is a piece of shit on many, many different levels. Your inability to see that isn't my problem, nor do I understand why you think The Bore is a safe space for this

I think the Bore isn't GAF, and different political opinions are welcome here.  Your "HALP MODS" won't work here.

you realize you're talking to someone who's been here for years, dipshit?

[zepblackstar]

https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/922288404896894977

[davepoobond]

I don't know why so many people like the high speed/low quality style of message boards like neogaf, trying to keep up with this thread since last night has been miserable.

This is actually a really fucking good point. This is also why the community forum made sense as GAF got bigger.

there basically was no point in trying to build any sort of good discussion outside of the community forum.  main forum was only useful for new stuff/quick reactions to me

[Forgotten A. Turnbuckle]

Why would they nuke accounts upon asking?  That seems really strange.

We did just that. if people feared for privacy concerns or doxxing, we would assist them in deleting posts so that people couldn't troll through their entire post history looking for anything remotely suspect and then saying, "Ah ha! I found it! Secretly you are terrible!" That is a thing that actually happened to a poster, and was of particular concern to many female GAF posters.

I had my old account here at the bore nuked years ago because it was being monitored by one of my professors who I thought may be a sexual predator. He was fucking creepy as hell. Had print outs of pictures of me and my cats I had posted in an old Evilbore thread. No, it wasn't you or Evilore or Dennis.

[Clockwork]

Your opinion.  There were massive amounts of posters that hate Social Studies Warrior bullshit and just wanted to talk about games.  When the Social Studies Warrior garbage spilled into Gaming over Gamergate it was the beginning of the end for GAF.  It's also when the modding developed an ideological bent that placed political WrongThink over what was actually important on GAF - gaming

I was really pissed how the most recent "The Last Night" thread turned out. Couldn't even talk about a somewhat cool looking game without the brigade sidetracking the thread and dogpiling on anyone who had wanted to avoid such discussion. Hell even the thread title got edited to reflect some cheeseburger shark crap.

[kingv]

Personal opinion but the forum fell apart because of Social Studies Warrior crusading on the part of both members encouraged by moderators.

My perma ban 3 months ago for example was for the crime of admitting to be a deplorable who supports Trump  I spoke out in the "punch nazis" thread stating that violence against any group is wrong.  Especially when the extremist Left was pushing the Overton window on the forum to define ANYBODY not extremist Left as being as Nazi.  This created a forum that radicalized folks on the Left.  Of course I was piled on, told I was being disgenious, and eventually quietly perma banned. 

I was a 12 year member with tens of thousands of posts.  Also represented Sony for awhile via the MVP program (officially tagged at the time).

The hardcore leftist Social Studies Warrior bent of GAF fucked what made the forum great.  Hundreds of awesome posters left or were banned between 2014 - 2017.

Yeah, that is actually shitty at this point. Maybe you shouldn't.

That's my point brother.  Whether you agree with my politics or not, demonizing half the country that supports the President is BS.  Never mind the fact that the Left of GAF essentially declared ANYONE not extreme left to be a Nazi.

It was fucking ridiculous, especially for a forum claiming to be a "neutral meeting ground" for discussion.  The place was anything but, more like an ideological echo chamber where WrongThink would be dealt with swiftly and harshly via pile ons then bans.

.... half? Remind me again when Trump has a 50% approval rsting

[Opiate]

That's my point brother.  Whether you agree with my politics or not, demonizing half the country that supports the President is BS.  Never mind the fact that the Left of GAF essentially declared ANYONE not extreme left to be a Nazi.

It was fucking ridiculous, especially for a forum claiming to be a "neutral meeting ground" for discussion.  The place was anything but, more like an ideological echo chamber where WrongThink would be dealt with swiftly and harshly via pile ons then bans.

I'm just glad you are able to admit you think wrong; it's the first step to recovery.

I would also add that if your goal is to persuade people, just about the worst thing you can do is ban them / ostracize them. Most people's defensive shields go up when they are thrown out of a community, and it's very difficult to admit you're wrong under those circumstances.

[ZephyrFate]

anyone who complains about "Social Studies Warriors" or the "ctrl-left" (possibly even stupider than the concept of "alt-left") while admitting they are a Trump supporter automatically places your opinion in a dumpster fire.

Your opinion.  There were massive amounts of posters that hate Social Studies Warrior bullshit and just wanted to talk about games.  When the Social Studies Warrior garbage spilled into Gaming over Gamergate it was the beginning of the end for GAF.  It's also when the modding developed an ideological bent that placed political WrongThink over what was actually important on GAF - gaming

I mean, it's pretty much fact. Trump is a piece of shit on many, many different levels. Your inability to see that isn't my problem, nor do I understand why you think The Bore is a safe space for this

I think the Bore isn't GAF, and different political opinions are welcome here.  Your "HALP MODS" won't work here.

you realize you're talking to someone who's been here for years, dipshit?

shh, i only post when big events happen

[nomis]

Personal opinion but the forum fell apart because of Social Studies Warrior crusading on the part of both members encouraged by moderators.

My perma ban 3 months ago for example was for the crime of admitting to be a deplorable who supports Trump  I spoke out in the "punch nazis" thread stating that violence against any group is wrong.  Especially when the extremist Left was pushing the Overton window on the forum to define ANYBODY not extremist Left as being as Nazi.  This created a forum that radicalized folks on the Left.  Of course I was piled on, told I was being disgenious, and eventually quietly perma banned. 

I was a 12 year member with tens of thousands of posts.  Also represented Sony for awhile via the MVP program (officially tagged at the time).

The hardcore leftist Social Studies Warrior bent of GAF fucked what made the forum great.  Hundreds of awesome posters left or were banned between 2014 - 2017.

Yeah, that is actually shitty at this point. Maybe you shouldn't.

That's my point brother.  Whether you agree with my politics or not, demonizing half the country that supports the President is BS.  Never mind the fact that the Left of GAF essentially declared ANYONE not extreme left to be a Nazi.

It was fucking ridiculous, especially for a forum claiming to be a "neutral meeting ground" for discussion.  The place was anything but, more like an ideological echo chamber where WrongThink would be dealt with swiftly and harshly via pile ons then bans.

being ideologically to the left of me may not make you a nazi, “brother”, so i’m sorry you didn’t feel gaf was the neutral ground it purported itself to be. that said, being a trump *supporter* does make you a MAGA smoothbrain

[team filler]

What do you think The Statement is going to be? I saw the thing about cults or whatever. What's the over/under on an actual apology?

Also PM me the deetz on all these GAF shootoffs, I need to try and capitalize on my internet fame from 12 years ago, when I was actually mildly funny.

... I suppose you'll have to do. Ahem, you dumb biaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bluemax]

NeoGAF:

https://twitter.com/RYANlME/status/921798119528034305

[Mr. Nobody]

I need a link to Gaf discord por favor

[Nola]

Personal opinion but the forum fell apart because of Social Studies Warrior crusading on the part of both members encouraged by moderators.

My perma ban 3 months ago for example was for the crime of admitting to be a deplorable who supports Trump  I spoke out in the "punch nazis" thread stating that violence against any group is wrong.  Especially when the extremist Left was pushing the Overton window on the forum to define ANYBODY not extremist Left as being as Nazi.  This created a forum that radicalized folks on the Left.  Of course I was piled on, told I was being disgenious, and eventually quietly perma banned. 

I was a 12 year member with tens of thousands of posts.  Also represented Sony for awhile via the MVP program (officially tagged at the time).

The hardcore leftist Social Studies Warrior bent of GAF fucked what made the forum great.  Hundreds of awesome posters left or were banned between 2014 - 2017.

Yeah, that is actually shitty at this point. Maybe you shouldn't.

That's my point brother.  Whether you agree with my politics or not, demonizing half the country that supports the President is BS.  Never mind the fact that the Left of GAF essentially declared ANYONE not extreme left to be a Nazi.

It was fucking ridiculous, especially for a forum claiming to be a "neutral meeting ground" for discussion.  The place was anything but, more like an ideological echo chamber where WrongThink would be dealt with swiftly and harshly via pile ons then bans.

i wouldn't say half, more like 34-38% depending on whether he is taking it easy on the golf course for the 20th weekend in a row or tripping over himself with the larger public trying to stoke the fire of white identity politics with his rabid cult followers.

However, I do agree that merely signaling support for a politician should not be an excuse to begin more heavily moderating you or holding your feet to a set of much higher standards they wouldn't hold non-Trumpkins to.

[ZephyrFate]

That's my point brother.  Whether you agree with my politics or not, demonizing half the country that supports the President is BS.  Never mind the fact that the Left of GAF essentially declared ANYONE not extreme left to be a Nazi.

It was fucking ridiculous, especially for a forum claiming to be a "neutral meeting ground" for discussion.  The place was anything but, more like an ideological echo chamber where WrongThink would be dealt with swiftly and harshly via pile ons then bans.

I'm just glad you are able to admit you think wrong; it's the first step to recovery.

I would also add that if your goal is to persuade people, just about the worst thing you can do is ban them / ostracize them. Most people's defensive shields go up when they are thrown out of a community, and it's very difficult to admit you're wrong under those circumstances.

The confusion here is why this ex-NeoGAF Trump supporter thought he'd find those of like mind on The Bore.