Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[Himu]

One last thing: is harrasment/racism/insert a wrong here ever ok? No

Can a person change: yes

I think this is very fundamental to whats wrong with todays culture, people being held up a mirror of where they were at some point to where they are now. As if their personality and psyche is some kind of monolith that doesn’t change. Like you can’t be a feminist now and try to live up to that now if in the past you were an idiot. This doesn’t make you a hypocrite per se, but a changed man.

Not saying this is the case with EL but in general everyone gets put under this microscope of scrutiny and no one can live up to imaginery standards of perfection.

I unblocked you for this and I'm sorry for the other week.

[Rufus]

KF are funny guys. They got stupidly lumped in with GG even though they are as a whole centre/centre left politically. They just happen to like stirring the pot with easily stirred Internet personalities, many which happened to be in GG's crosshairs.

The lolcows thing comes off way too sadistic for me to give them more than a passing glance, no matter where their allegiances lie.

fake edit: and apparently it's dead anyway? I assume you guys are talking about some revival, then.

[kingv]

Solo's account suicide: http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1453966

Dude had an account here for ages. Wonder if he'll show up and still pretend Lost was anything but boring tripe.

Please, Lost was great for like 4 seasons. It mostly sucks in retrospect when you realize there never was a plan.

[Himu]

Well I wasn't going to suicide, but apparently I'm banned for being a right wing nutjob anyway 

(Image removed from quote.)

As far as I can tell, the most offensive post I made

(Image removed from quote.)

I might as well have just suicided the account like everyone else

Lesson: don't be called Chuck Norris or you're automatically a right wing nut job

Get on my level
(Image removed from quote.)

I know for a FACT that's the same user that perma banned me. Who banned you?

[Mr Gilhaney]

I still love Lost, despite how fucking dumb it was. The biggest fault of the show was killing off Boone so quickly, cause he gave me and mr locke all the cummies.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Man, new GAF all its offshoots are set on pushing the neo-puritanism thing forward even harder. I'm so glad I still have a place to go and get my gay subtext.

[Occam]

That New Thread Twitter sure is something. Busy deleting stuff all the time. Wonder what happens when the dude goes to sleep, because I don't think there are actually any other mods?

And the "secret" mods. Why would anyone want to do that work when you can't even be known. Maybe he'll start paying them now.

Yep, even Gestapo agents got paid.

[kingv]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252769471&postcount=25

Prime example of BCT members using the "not arguing in good faith" tool they learned a few months back.

IMO BCT actually dialed it back a bit after Bish left. There was still some dumb shit when someone had the racist audacity to suggest that Colin Kaepernick kneeling was not equivalent to the march on Birmingham or some other cac-ass cac position. But they didn’t pile on nearly as much.

I’m still shocked that Commedieu was an agent. I basically put him right next to Slayven and Angelus Errare as top-tier BCT members to avoid discussion with about anything other than video games or comics. That’s why his statement confused me, I didn’t get who he was talking about.

Honestly, I thought all of PT got better after Bish left. It still had massive problems, but it was moderated somewhat less ideologically.

Edit: also saw lots of posts asking about why Bish left, didn’t he have some kind of bet about leaving as a mod if Hillary didn’t win?

I thought Commedieu was black?

His final comment was about how he was glad minorities wouldn’t “chimp out” on him anymore for wrongthink.

(Paraphrasing, but he did use chimp put).

Either it’s some kind of meta meta comment, or he was pretending to be black... or something.

[Jerry]

Please ban me give me attention

[Nuitangg]

bombshell posting a GT Sport sales thread on gaf. What a fucking loser.

[Sai]

Good Morning.

[Klelk]

Reminder that it was ultimately  that brought down the site

[Squirrel Killer]

Far from me to be some kind of Resetera apologist/defender, but AFAIK they are simply starting with the people on Discord (more than just the former-GAF one, other Discords are included) to test things out and then will let everyone in.  They're also currently testing the board before they open it up to the Discord people.  They've been posting updates about it on their channel.

They are losing people by the hour. The longer NeoGAF is up and ResetERA is not, the more the refugees dip their toes back in to the NeoGAF pool and remember the comfort of the familiar.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1454010

These moderator applications are fun to read.

[BlackBuzzard]

This seems to be the most sane option of all 3.

[FunSlower]

Bobby Roberts

[Marhunchy]

Nintendrones are truly the worst -> Evidence #782

[agrajag]

Man, new GAF all its offshoots are set on pushing the neo-puritanism thing forward even harder. I'm so glad I still have a place to go and get my gay subtext.

Being gay? That's so homonormative.

 

This is why you're not a good fit for our new genderless digital utopia.

[Frankie_baby]

Man, I’m so glad that women and minorities are so much more capable than the dregs left at GAF believe them to be. Must be so frustrating when your most vocal allies are a band of intolerable arseholes that don’t think you could get out of bed without them.

ResetERA will continue to inflict the small but numerous wounds to left wing discourse that GAF started. It’ll be VOAT for yoghurt-weavers and both groups will feed off the mere existence of the other. I’m so glad I bowed out of internet chatter.

Oh hello dave, long time no type, wondered where you ended up

[Himu]

Kabouter is back?!

Hey!!

[Jerry]

The only way to save GAF now would be to bring back animated avatars

[agrajag]

Far from me to be some kind of Resetera apologist/defender, but AFAIK they are simply starting with the people on Discord (more than just the former-GAF one, other Discords are included) to test things out and then will let everyone in.  They're also currently testing the board before they open it up to the Discord people.  They've been posting updates about it on their channel.

They are losing people by the hour. The longer NeoGAF is up and ResetERA is not, the more the refugees dip their toes back in to the NeoGAF pool and remember the comfort of the familiar.

Oh hey, it's that guy that posted annoying titles for every post. I'm glad you can't do that here.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Man, new GAF all its offshoots are set on pushing the neo-puritanism thing forward even harder. I'm so glad I still have a place to go and get my gay subtext.

Being gay? That's so homonormative.

 

This is why you're not a good fit for our new genderless digital utopia.

[TwEE-N-Toast]

I wonder if Amir0x is being kept up do date. Maybe he is exchanging services for info from the outside.
I hope he makes a prison break.  If anybody can will Neogaf back together it's him.

At the very least he would make a great Resetera mod.

[Sai]

The only way to save GAF now would be to bring back animated avatars

i would go back

[Kabouter]

Kabouter is back?!

Hey!!

Hey

[CrankyJay]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252769471&postcount=25

Prime example of BCT members using the "not arguing in good faith" tool they learned a few months back.

IMO BCT actually dialed it back a bit after Bish left. There was still some dumb shit when someone had the racist audacity to suggest that Colin Kaepernick kneeling was not equivalent to the march on Birmingham or some other cac-ass cac position. But they didn’t pile on nearly as much.

I’m still shocked that Commedieu was an agent. I basically put him right next to Slayven and Angelus Errare as top-tier BCT members to avoid discussion with about anything other than video games or comics. That’s why his statement confused me, I didn’t get who he was talking about.

Honestly, I thought all of PT got better after Bish left. It still had massive problems, but it was moderated somewhat less ideologically.

Edit: also saw lots of posts asking about why Bish left, didn’t he have some kind of bet about leaving as a mod if Hillary didn’t win?

Huh? They dialed it back after Bish was de-adminned by EviLore for blanket banning people without proof. He went crazy after the election and started banning anyone who was against the BCT status-quo.

This is all very reminiscent of what happened to off-topic for a couple months post-election. Of course, that madness turned out to be directly induced through sabotage by a now-former admin secretly banning *hundreds* of members totally outside of any justifiable grounds (not that any attempt at justification was made to begin with, being undisclosed and undocumented bans) in some 85-90% of each of those bans that were subsequently investigated after we became aware of the incident.

NeoGAF is a discussion forum; the whole point is to disseminate information and debate it, on civil terms, in an atmosphere that encourages healthy skepticism, fact-checking and credible sourcing, challenging preexisting worldviews and talking points and biases by providing a platform for a diverse audience to contribute, etc. And yes, the site does lean progressive, because it is inclusive and evidence-based and intolerant of hate speech. But while there are core values associated with this place, there's no point in discussion without providing a framework that allows for multiple perspectives to engage with each other.

I mention all this because, particularly for those couple months I mentioned when anyone trying to operate in good faith within the aforementioned parameters I've set up for this place ended up sniped en masse, Off-Topic suddenly became unrecognizable to me some 15 or 16 years after we set this side of the forum up. The place kinda turned into what this Evergreen outcome sounds like: with everyone who tried to contribute to civil discourse systematically thrown down the well, the remaining members either stayed silent or radicalized up, and we were left with a squad of polarized "progressives" unwilling to have a conversation with anyone about issues, repeating the same talking points in every thread to each other in a self-righteous echo chamber, newly confident that any non-conformity would be driven out or otherwise made to disappear. This was not just ostracizing people attempting to challenge reductive, exclusionary "with us or against us" polarized rhetoric, either (and that should absolutely be challenged), but also anyone even trying to have a conversation within that radicalized bubble. People were driven out, character assassinated, labeled traitor for "not sounding angry enough," or for not being entirely on board with ostracizing someone else for the same reasons.

There's nothing righteous, informed, or progressive about that. It's just a sanctimonious, vitriolic, self-destructive circle jerk that drives out the kind of people most valuable to discussion: not the "retweet my Side and quote it in yells or else you're The Enemy" people, but the people engaging on each individual issue with critical thought and an open mind, willingness and capacity to perform independent investigation into the materials initially presented, come to an independent conclusion and present it, and to allow the same from folks who have made similar effort but with different credible sources or different justifiable conclusions than your own.

That's the sort of thing I'm seeing here. Professor's conclusions about the event that prompted the protests should certainly be challenged, but he did justify his positions reasonably and stay civil throughout the argument he presented. Yeah, that annual event change-up is a complicated issue, as we can see by all the folks here struggling with the right and wrong of it, so it's absolutely a legitimate topic for an academic debate. And that's all he did: debate the merits of it and the campus ethics of an exclusionary event with what he felt were undercurrents of pressure to comply or end up branded a racist/traitor/whatever.

...and now we're seeing exactly that, with an aggressive push for his removal, threats against him, and even an order issued that the chief of campus police not take measures to ensure the professor's safety on campus.

Smear campaign articles posted earlier here that attribute *swastikas* being spraypainted by some apparent alt-right dickwads who have involved themselves here, and doxxing alleged to have occurred at some point along the way by third parties unrelated to the professor (alt-right again apparently latching onto this), all somehow ultimately being the the fault of this *progressive activist Jewish professor* (who as far as I can tell has sound credentials, and who one of his long-time students personally vouched for in this thread as someone who wouldn't have a disingenuous, racially motivated angle with this thing) for daring to break formation and have an academic conversation that scrutinized something on "the progressive side" that day.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

World isn't binary, folks. Hyper-partisan, radical, binary, "us or them" environments with constant purity tests demanding adherence to the pre-established talking point of the hour breeds ignorance, intolerance, hate, and self-destruction.

This is why we talk about things. This is why diversity of background/ethnicity/orientation/culture is important within an environment like a campus or a message board: not just as an outcome better representing the diversity of the population it's pulling its membership body from, but critically for the diversity of perspective that results from that intense microcosm you've built, and the insight and nuance of thought it can bring to each participant when they share an appropriately moderated space and each have a fair voice.

That's why we talk about things.

[Himu]

Man, new GAF all its offshoots are set on pushing the neo-puritanism thing forward even harder. I'm so glad I still have a place to go and get my gay subtext.

Being gay? That's so homonormative.

 

This is why you're not a good fit for our new genderless digital utopia.

Im going to find funny pics from my fb truscum groups where we make fun of autistic NBs just for you.

[Squirrel Killer]

I don't get all the ban requests or suicide posts

Just don't post anymore

I think there's a few things prompting those. First, there's true protest. Then there's the virtue signalling. There are some deluded people who think that having their accounts nuked (as in the account is deleted from the db and their posts are deleted or just show as being posted by Guest) will give them an extra layer of disassociation from the forum (Tyler won't do that because it's more work and it won't even do what the requester really wants.) I also wouldn't be surprised if a refugee site requires posting something banable as an entry test.

[CrankyJay]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252769471&postcount=25

Prime example of BCT members using the "not arguing in good faith" tool they learned a few months back.

IMO BCT actually dialed it back a bit after Bish left. There was still some dumb shit when someone had the racist audacity to suggest that Colin Kaepernick kneeling was not equivalent to the march on Birmingham or some other cac-ass cac position. But they didn’t pile on nearly as much.

I’m still shocked that Commedieu was an agent. I basically put him right next to Slayven and Angelus Errare as top-tier BCT members to avoid discussion with about anything other than video games or comics. That’s why his statement confused me, I didn’t get who he was talking about.

Honestly, I thought all of PT got better after Bish left. It still had massive problems, but it was moderated somewhat less ideologically.

Edit: also saw lots of posts asking about why Bish left, didn’t he have some kind of bet about leaving as a mod if Hillary didn’t win?

Huh? They dialed it back after Bish was de-adminned by EviLore for blanket banning people without proof. He went crazy after the election and started banning anyone who was against the BCT status-quo.

This is all very reminiscent of what happened to off-topic for a couple months post-election. Of course, that madness turned out to be directly induced through sabotage by a now-former admin secretly banning *hundreds* of members totally outside of any justifiable grounds (not that any attempt at justification was made to begin with, being undisclosed and undocumented bans) in some 85-90% of each of those bans that were subsequently investigated after we became aware of the incident.

NeoGAF is a discussion forum; the whole point is to disseminate information and debate it, on civil terms, in an atmosphere that encourages healthy skepticism, fact-checking and credible sourcing, challenging preexisting worldviews and talking points and biases by providing a platform for a diverse audience to contribute, etc. And yes, the site does lean progressive, because it is inclusive and evidence-based and intolerant of hate speech. But while there are core values associated with this place, there's no point in discussion without providing a framework that allows for multiple perspectives to engage with each other.

I mention all this because, particularly for those couple months I mentioned when anyone trying to operate in good faith within the aforementioned parameters I've set up for this place ended up sniped en masse, Off-Topic suddenly became unrecognizable to me some 15 or 16 years after we set this side of the forum up. The place kinda turned into what this Evergreen outcome sounds like: with everyone who tried to contribute to civil discourse systematically thrown down the well, the remaining members either stayed silent or radicalized up, and we were left with a squad of polarized "progressives" unwilling to have a conversation with anyone about issues, repeating the same talking points in every thread to each other in a self-righteous echo chamber, newly confident that any non-conformity would be driven out or otherwise made to disappear. This was not just ostracizing people attempting to challenge reductive, exclusionary "with us or against us" polarized rhetoric, either (and that should absolutely be challenged), but also anyone even trying to have a conversation within that radicalized bubble. People were driven out, character assassinated, labeled traitor for "not sounding angry enough," or for not being entirely on board with ostracizing someone else for the same reasons.

There's nothing righteous, informed, or progressive about that. It's just a sanctimonious, vitriolic, self-destructive circle jerk that drives out the kind of people most valuable to discussion: not the "retweet my Side and quote it in yells or else you're The Enemy" people, but the people engaging on each individual issue with critical thought and an open mind, willingness and capacity to perform independent investigation into the materials initially presented, come to an independent conclusion and present it, and to allow the same from folks who have made similar effort but with different credible sources or different justifiable conclusions than your own.

That's the sort of thing I'm seeing here. Professor's conclusions about the event that prompted the protests should certainly be challenged, but he did justify his positions reasonably and stay civil throughout the argument he presented. Yeah, that annual event change-up is a complicated issue, as we can see by all the folks here struggling with the right and wrong of it, so it's absolutely a legitimate topic for an academic debate. And that's all he did: debate the merits of it and the campus ethics of an exclusionary event with what he felt were undercurrents of pressure to comply or end up branded a racist/traitor/whatever.

...and now we're seeing exactly that, with an aggressive push for his removal, threats against him, and even an order issued that the chief of campus police not take measures to ensure the professor's safety on campus.

Smear campaign articles posted earlier here that attribute *swastikas* being spraypainted by some apparent alt-right dickwads who have involved themselves here, and doxxing alleged to have occurred at some point along the way by third parties unrelated to the professor (alt-right again apparently latching onto this), all somehow ultimately being the the fault of this *progressive activist Jewish professor* (who as far as I can tell has sound credentials, and who one of his long-time students personally vouched for in this thread as someone who wouldn't have a disingenuous, racially motivated angle with this thing) for daring to break formation and have an academic conversation that scrutinized something on "the progressive side" that day.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

World isn't binary, folks. Hyper-partisan, radical, binary, "us or them" environments with constant purity tests demanding adherence to the pre-established talking point of the hour breeds ignorance, intolerance, hate, and self-destruction.

This is why we talk about things. This is why diversity of background/ethnicity/orientation/culture is important within an environment like a campus or a message board: not just as an outcome better representing the diversity of the population it's pulling its membership body from, but critically for the diversity of perspective that results from that intense microcosm you've built, and the insight and nuance of thought it can bring to each participant when they share an appropriately moderated space and each have a fair voice.

That's why we talk about things.

EviLore also stepped into the BCT thread and told them to dial it back or he'd end them.

[agrajag]

Man, new GAF all its offshoots are set on pushing the neo-puritanism thing forward even harder. I'm so glad I still have a place to go and get my gay subtext.

Being gay? That's so homonormative.

 

This is why you're not a good fit for our new genderless digital utopia.

Im going to find funny pics from my fb truscum groups where we make fun of autistic NBs just for you.

RESTROOM AREA will be such a paradise for all the tumblerinas out there 

[Daffy Duck]

What the hell is BCT?

[agrajag]

What the hell is BCT?

black culture thread

[Squirrel Killer]

Far from me to be some kind of Resetera apologist/defender, but AFAIK they are simply starting with the people on Discord (more than just the former-GAF one, other Discords are included) to test things out and then will let everyone in.  They're also currently testing the board before they open it up to the Discord people.  They've been posting updates about it on their channel.

They are losing people by the hour. The longer NeoGAF is up and ResetERA is not, the more the refugees dip their toes back in to the NeoGAF pool and remember the comfort of the familiar.

Oh hey, it's that guy that posted annoying titles for every post. I'm glad you can't do that here.

Why the fuck isn't there a :kiss emoji!?

[Pwnz]

Far from me to be some kind of Resetera apologist/defender, but AFAIK they are simply starting with the people on Discord (more than just the former-GAF one, other Discords are included) to test things out and then will let everyone in.  They're also currently testing the board before they open it up to the Discord people.  They've been posting updates about it on their channel.

They are losing people by the hour. The longer NeoGAF is up and ResetERA is not, the more the refugees dip their toes back in to the NeoGAF pool and remember the comfort of the familiar.

I member this poster.

[Kartik]

Far from me to be some kind of Resetera apologist/defender, but AFAIK they are simply starting with the people on Discord (more than just the former-GAF one, other Discords are included) to test things out and then will let everyone in.  They're also currently testing the board before they open it up to the Discord people.  They've been posting updates about it on their channel.

They are losing people by the hour. The longer NeoGAF is up and ResetERA is not, the more the refugees dip their toes back in to the NeoGAF pool and remember the comfort of the familiar.

Oh hey, it's that guy that posted annoying titles for every post. I'm glad you can't do that here.

Look again.

[tummyfat]

Besada "built" GAF

https://twitter.com/GAF_besada/status/922680218443288576

He was modded in 2014. I think he more likely killed it than built it

[Squirrel Killer]

Besada "built" GAF

https://twitter.com/GAF_besada/status/922680218443288576

He was modded in 2014. I think he more likely killed it than built it

Maybe he's talking about ResetERA. He can't be talking about NeoGAF, that's looking dented, but completely rebuildable.

[agrajag]

Far from me to be some kind of Resetera apologist/defender, but AFAIK they are simply starting with the people on Discord (more than just the former-GAF one, other Discords are included) to test things out and then will let everyone in.  They're also currently testing the board before they open it up to the Discord people.  They've been posting updates about it on their channel.

They are losing people by the hour. The longer NeoGAF is up and ResetERA is not, the more the refugees dip their toes back in to the NeoGAF pool and remember the comfort of the familiar.

Oh hey, it's that guy that posted annoying titles for every post. I'm glad you can't do that here.

Why the fuck isn't there a :kiss emoji!?

use this one bae 

[Mr Gilhaney]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1454016&page=1   

[Pwnz]

Ubisoft should make a protest statement by patching in a shower boss into Fractured But Whole. Would fit the whole games satire into the game.

[Himu]

Man, new GAF all its offshoots are set on pushing the neo-puritanism thing forward even harder. I'm so glad I still have a place to go and get my gay subtext.

Being gay? That's so homonormative.

 

This is why you're not a good fit for our new genderless digital utopia.

Im going to find funny pics from my fb truscum groups where we make fun of autistic NBs just for you.

RESTROOM AREA will be such a paradise for all the tumblerinas out there 

(the last one is real and from an autistic transgender/nb group screen capped by an autistic trans dude.

[Nabbis]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1454016&page=1   

Why would you even google crap like that...

Man, some of those posters didn't end it with simply 2D humans.

[Sai]

i wanna fuck space rocks

[CrankyJay]

Besada "built" GAF

https://twitter.com/GAF_besada/status/922680218443288576

He was modded in 2014. I think he more likely killed it than built it

Yep, that's right around when GAF started sucking.

[agrajag]

Far from me to be some kind of Resetera apologist/defender, but AFAIK they are simply starting with the people on Discord (more than just the former-GAF one, other Discords are included) to test things out and then will let everyone in.  They're also currently testing the board before they open it up to the Discord people.  They've been posting updates about it on their channel.

They are losing people by the hour. The longer NeoGAF is up and ResetERA is not, the more the refugees dip their toes back in to the NeoGAF pool and remember the comfort of the familiar.

Oh hey, it's that guy that posted annoying titles for every post. I'm glad you can't do that here.

Look again.

 

[kingv]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252769471&postcount=25

Prime example of BCT members using the "not arguing in good faith" tool they learned a few months back.

IMO BCT actually dialed it back a bit after Bish left. There was still some dumb shit when someone had the racist audacity to suggest that Colin Kaepernick kneeling was not equivalent to the march on Birmingham or some other cac-ass cac position. But they didn’t pile on nearly as much.

I’m still shocked that Commedieu was an agent. I basically put him right next to Slayven and Angelus Errare as top-tier BCT members to avoid discussion with about anything other than video games or comics. That’s why his statement confused me, I didn’t get who he was talking about.

Honestly, I thought all of PT got better after Bish left. It still had massive problems, but it was moderated somewhat less ideologically.

Edit: also saw lots of posts asking about why Bish left, didn’t he have some kind of bet about leaving as a mod if Hillary didn’t win?

Huh? They dialed it back after Bish was de-adminned by EviLore for blanket banning people without proof. He went crazy after the election and started banning anyone who was against the BCT status-quo.

This is all very reminiscent of what happened to off-topic for a couple months post-election. Of course, that madness turned out to be directly induced through sabotage by a now-former admin secretly banning *hundreds* of members totally outside of any justifiable grounds (not that any attempt at justification was made to begin with, being undisclosed and undocumented bans) in some 85-90% of each of those bans that were subsequently investigated after we became aware of the incident.

NeoGAF is a discussion forum; the whole point is to disseminate information and debate it, on civil terms, in an atmosphere that encourages healthy skepticism, fact-checking and credible sourcing, challenging preexisting worldviews and talking points and biases by providing a platform for a diverse audience to contribute, etc. And yes, the site does lean progressive, because it is inclusive and evidence-based and intolerant of hate speech. But while there are core values associated with this place, there's no point in discussion without providing a framework that allows for multiple perspectives to engage with each other.

I mention all this because, particularly for those couple months I mentioned when anyone trying to operate in good faith within the aforementioned parameters I've set up for this place ended up sniped en masse, Off-Topic suddenly became unrecognizable to me some 15 or 16 years after we set this side of the forum up. The place kinda turned into what this Evergreen outcome sounds like: with everyone who tried to contribute to civil discourse systematically thrown down the well, the remaining members either stayed silent or radicalized up, and we were left with a squad of polarized "progressives" unwilling to have a conversation with anyone about issues, repeating the same talking points in every thread to each other in a self-righteous echo chamber, newly confident that any non-conformity would be driven out or otherwise made to disappear. This was not just ostracizing people attempting to challenge reductive, exclusionary "with us or against us" polarized rhetoric, either (and that should absolutely be challenged), but also anyone even trying to have a conversation within that radicalized bubble. People were driven out, character assassinated, labeled traitor for "not sounding angry enough," or for not being entirely on board with ostracizing someone else for the same reasons.

There's nothing righteous, informed, or progressive about that. It's just a sanctimonious, vitriolic, self-destructive circle jerk that drives out the kind of people most valuable to discussion: not the "retweet my Side and quote it in yells or else you're The Enemy" people, but the people engaging on each individual issue with critical thought and an open mind, willingness and capacity to perform independent investigation into the materials initially presented, come to an independent conclusion and present it, and to allow the same from folks who have made similar effort but with different credible sources or different justifiable conclusions than your own.

That's the sort of thing I'm seeing here. Professor's conclusions about the event that prompted the protests should certainly be challenged, but he did justify his positions reasonably and stay civil throughout the argument he presented. Yeah, that annual event change-up is a complicated issue, as we can see by all the folks here struggling with the right and wrong of it, so it's absolutely a legitimate topic for an academic debate. And that's all he did: debate the merits of it and the campus ethics of an exclusionary event with what he felt were undercurrents of pressure to comply or end up branded a racist/traitor/whatever.

...and now we're seeing exactly that, with an aggressive push for his removal, threats against him, and even an order issued that the chief of campus police not take measures to ensure the professor's safety on campus.

Smear campaign articles posted earlier here that attribute *swastikas* being spraypainted by some apparent alt-right dickwads who have involved themselves here, and doxxing alleged to have occurred at some point along the way by third parties unrelated to the professor (alt-right again apparently latching onto this), all somehow ultimately being the the fault of this *progressive activist Jewish professor* (who as far as I can tell has sound credentials, and who one of his long-time students personally vouched for in this thread as someone who wouldn't have a disingenuous, racially motivated angle with this thing) for daring to break formation and have an academic conversation that scrutinized something on "the progressive side" that day.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

World isn't binary, folks. Hyper-partisan, radical, binary, "us or them" environments with constant purity tests demanding adherence to the pre-established talking point of the hour breeds ignorance, intolerance, hate, and self-destruction.

This is why we talk about things. This is why diversity of background/ethnicity/orientation/culture is important within an environment like a campus or a message board: not just as an outcome better representing the diversity of the population it's pulling its membership body from, but critically for the diversity of perspective that results from that intense microcosm you've built, and the insight and nuance of thought it can bring to each participant when they share an appropriately moderated space and each have a fair voice.

That's why we talk about things.

EviLore also stepped into the BCT thread and told them to dial it back or he'd end them.

Well, damn. I guess EL was the hero we needed, because I didn’t automatically cringe every time I saw the name Angelus errare for much of 2017.

[Swollen Bowels]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252769471&postcount=25

Prime example of BCT members using the "not arguing in good faith" tool they learned a few months back.

IMO BCT actually dialed it back a bit after Bish left. There was still some dumb shit when someone had the racist audacity to suggest that Colin Kaepernick kneeling was not equivalent to the march on Birmingham or some other cac-ass cac position. But they didn’t pile on nearly as much.

I’m still shocked that Commedieu was an agent. I basically put him right next to Slayven and Angelus Errare as top-tier BCT members to avoid discussion with about anything other than video games or comics. That’s why his statement confused me, I didn’t get who he was talking about.

Honestly, I thought all of PT got better after Bish left. It still had massive problems, but it was moderated somewhat less ideologically.

Edit: also saw lots of posts asking about why Bish left, didn’t he have some kind of bet about leaving as a mod if Hillary didn’t win?

Huh? They dialed it back after Bish was de-adminned by EviLore for blanket banning people without proof. He went crazy after the election and started banning anyone who was against the BCT status-quo.

This is all very reminiscent of what happened to off-topic for a couple months post-election. Of course, that madness turned out to be directly induced through sabotage by a now-former admin secretly banning *hundreds* of members totally outside of any justifiable grounds (not that any attempt at justification was made to begin with, being undisclosed and undocumented bans) in some 85-90% of each of those bans that were subsequently investigated after we became aware of the incident.

NeoGAF is a discussion forum; the whole point is to disseminate information and debate it, on civil terms, in an atmosphere that encourages healthy skepticism, fact-checking and credible sourcing, challenging preexisting worldviews and talking points and biases by providing a platform for a diverse audience to contribute, etc. And yes, the site does lean progressive, because it is inclusive and evidence-based and intolerant of hate speech. But while there are core values associated with this place, there's no point in discussion without providing a framework that allows for multiple perspectives to engage with each other.

I mention all this because, particularly for those couple months I mentioned when anyone trying to operate in good faith within the aforementioned parameters I've set up for this place ended up sniped en masse, Off-Topic suddenly became unrecognizable to me some 15 or 16 years after we set this side of the forum up. The place kinda turned into what this Evergreen outcome sounds like: with everyone who tried to contribute to civil discourse systematically thrown down the well, the remaining members either stayed silent or radicalized up, and we were left with a squad of polarized "progressives" unwilling to have a conversation with anyone about issues, repeating the same talking points in every thread to each other in a self-righteous echo chamber, newly confident that any non-conformity would be driven out or otherwise made to disappear. This was not just ostracizing people attempting to challenge reductive, exclusionary "with us or against us" polarized rhetoric, either (and that should absolutely be challenged), but also anyone even trying to have a conversation within that radicalized bubble. People were driven out, character assassinated, labeled traitor for "not sounding angry enough," or for not being entirely on board with ostracizing someone else for the same reasons.

There's nothing righteous, informed, or progressive about that. It's just a sanctimonious, vitriolic, self-destructive circle jerk that drives out the kind of people most valuable to discussion: not the "retweet my Side and quote it in yells or else you're The Enemy" people, but the people engaging on each individual issue with critical thought and an open mind, willingness and capacity to perform independent investigation into the materials initially presented, come to an independent conclusion and present it, and to allow the same from folks who have made similar effort but with different credible sources or different justifiable conclusions than your own.

That's the sort of thing I'm seeing here. Professor's conclusions about the event that prompted the protests should certainly be challenged, but he did justify his positions reasonably and stay civil throughout the argument he presented. Yeah, that annual event change-up is a complicated issue, as we can see by all the folks here struggling with the right and wrong of it, so it's absolutely a legitimate topic for an academic debate. And that's all he did: debate the merits of it and the campus ethics of an exclusionary event with what he felt were undercurrents of pressure to comply or end up branded a racist/traitor/whatever.

...and now we're seeing exactly that, with an aggressive push for his removal, threats against him, and even an order issued that the chief of campus police not take measures to ensure the professor's safety on campus.

Smear campaign articles posted earlier here that attribute *swastikas* being spraypainted by some apparent alt-right dickwads who have involved themselves here, and doxxing alleged to have occurred at some point along the way by third parties unrelated to the professor (alt-right again apparently latching onto this), all somehow ultimately being the the fault of this *progressive activist Jewish professor* (who as far as I can tell has sound credentials, and who one of his long-time students personally vouched for in this thread as someone who wouldn't have a disingenuous, racially motivated angle with this thing) for daring to break formation and have an academic conversation that scrutinized something on "the progressive side" that day.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

World isn't binary, folks. Hyper-partisan, radical, binary, "us or them" environments with constant purity tests demanding adherence to the pre-established talking point of the hour breeds ignorance, intolerance, hate, and self-destruction.

This is why we talk about things. This is why diversity of background/ethnicity/orientation/culture is important within an environment like a campus or a message board: not just as an outcome better representing the diversity of the population it's pulling its membership body from, but critically for the diversity of perspective that results from that intense microcosm you've built, and the insight and nuance of thought it can bring to each participant when they share an appropriately moderated space and each have a fair voice.

That's why we talk about things.

What the fuck is BCT? Also, Bish banned people who were clearly pushing an alt-right agenda. It's not a mystery that the forum was swamped with 4chan dwelling trogs during that period. If there's one thing I fault Evilore for, it's his betrayal of a beloved admin like Bish, who was simply cleaning the forum of the worst kind of member.

[Occam]

This is all very reminiscent of what happened to off-topic for a couple months post-election. Of course, that madness turned out to be directly induced through sabotage by a now-former admin secretly banning *hundreds* of members totally outside of any justifiable grounds (not that any attempt at justification was made to begin with, being undisclosed and undocumented bans) in some 85-90% of each of those bans that were subsequently investigated after we became aware of the incident.

So he did "fire" Bish. But didn't actually reverse any bans.

[Deavl]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1454016&page=1   

I'm pretty sure that's the second time I've seen that on GAF

[agrajag]

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Those people are too woke even for reset era

[demi]

Why cant people post more enticing R34 porn.

Lets see some Roadhog porn, please.

[Bravotyler]

Resetera needs to get up to their level of wokeness or else Gamergate wins

[SmokyDave]

Swollen Bowels in ‘full of shit’ shocker.

With that said, I cast aspersions on you. I suspect you’re playing a part.

Edit: Hi Frankie! Hope you’re well.

[Mr. Nobody]

cac-ass cac position.

 

[tummyfat]

The kind of people who call Bish or besada beloved are probably the type of people who enjoy laying down under a glass table while a prostitute poops on it. Just saying.

[Nabbis]

The kind of people who call Bish or besada beloved are probably the type of people who enjoy laying down under a glass table while a prostitute poops on it. Just saying.

They don't have the money for that luxury.

[SmokyDave]

cac-ass cac position.

 

Missionary, I’d assume.

[nudemacusers]

None of these beat “sex repulsed”

[EightBitNate]

Man, new GAF all its offshoots are set on pushing the neo-puritanism thing forward even harder. I'm so glad I still have a place to go and get my gay subtext.

Being gay? That's so homonormative.

 

This is why you're not a good fit for our new genderless digital utopia.

Im going to find funny pics from my fb truscum groups where we make fun of autistic NBs just for you.

RESTROOM AREA will be such a paradise for all the tumblerinas out there 

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Fuck off with the spam, Junior.