Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[Oblivion]

Okay, but even if that's the case, is this the kind of thing that's going to keep you up at night?

Absolutely, compelled speech is the worst kind of road to be going down.

So...if say someone like Cindi Mayweather asked you to refer to her as..well, "her", and you disagree with such a thing, this would be asking too much of you?

[Assimilate]

I see that everyone's been watching their fair share of Jordan Peterson videos.

Can't wait to see you get fined for not calling someone a fury 

[ModernBoxes]

I voted for Trump. I truly thought he would help my family

If you thought this you should be banned from the planet.

Vote for him in jest
Vote for him because you hate Hillary
Vote for him because he was the Republican

But seriously thinking Trump would help your family

But the reasons you suggest are dogshit, and the reason he cited is actually legitimate, so 

Voting solely because of the R or the D is a fucking blight on our country.

R stands for things I'll never support. In a two party winner takes all system I'll vote D every time regardless of candidate. Not voting was the blight.

[Aeptia]

I see that everyone's been watching their fair share of Jordan Peterson videos.

Can't wait to see you get fined for not calling someone a fury 

I know that this Canadian law is a problem, but it effects such a small minority that most people will go their whole lives never breaking the rule because it would apply to no one they know.

[landaulifshitz]

I see that everyone's been watching their fair share of Jordan Peterson videos.

Can't wait to see you get fined for not calling someone a fury 

A horrible, dystopian future where everyone has to be called the name of some moderately successful Brad Pitt movie.

[Assimilate]

Okay, but even if that's the case, is this the kind of thing that's going to keep you up at night?

Absolutely, compelled speech is the worst kind of road to be going down.

So...if say someone like Cindi Mayweather asked you to refer to her as..well, "her", and you disagree with such a thing, this would be asking too much of you?

I may or may not and that's different. I can do whatever the fuck i want.

Now if i am COMPELLED to call this person whatever they want me to call them then that's a different story. Do you not understand??? Holy fuck you've spent too much time on GAF bro (or  do you not associate yourself with bro? should i be fined now?) seriously fuck.

[Eel O'Brian]

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44608.11175

 

[Assimilate]

Seems like a not so great use of "compelled speach."  You can still use you, them.. they.. or the correct pronoun.

Can't call black people the n word.. so isn't that also compelling you to say certain words if you want to discuss black people if you'd prefer to be a racist bastard?

You can call a black person whatever you want in this country. That's your choice if you want to be looked at as a racist bastard. I don't condone it, but again, your choice.

It's nuts how some of you would so easily be for an Orwellian dystopia.

[etiolate]

Seems like a not so great use of "compelled speach."  You can still use you, them.. they.. or the correct pronoun.

Can't call black people the n word.. so isn't that also compelling you to say certain words if you want to discuss black people if you'd prefer to be a racist bastard?

You can use the n word in Canada and the states.

[Eel O'Brian]

I mean, goddamn

[remist]

Okay, but even if that's the case, is this the kind of thing that's going to keep you up at night?

Absolutely, compelled speech is the worst kind of road to be going down.

So...if say someone like Cindi Mayweather asked you to refer to her as..well, "her", and you disagree with such a thing, this would be asking too much of you?

Obviously I would personally use whatever pronoun someone preferred, but I would still be against the law compelling me to do it.

[Oblivion]

Okay, but even if that's the case, is this the kind of thing that's going to keep you up at night?

Absolutely, compelled speech is the worst kind of road to be going down.

So...if say someone like Cindi Mayweather asked you to refer to her as..well, "her", and you disagree with such a thing, this would be asking too much of you?

I may or may not

No, I'm pretty sure we all know which way you roll on this one.

[Assimilate]

Okay, but even if that's the case, is this the kind of thing that's going to keep you up at night?

Absolutely, compelled speech is the worst kind of road to be going down.

So...if say someone like Cindi Mayweather asked you to refer to her as..well, "her", and you disagree with such a thing, this would be asking too much of you?

Obviously I would personally use whatever pronoun someone preferred, but I would still be against the law compelling me to do it.

You can't get this through to ex-gaffers of this type. It's almost impossible. I've tried before but always received that juicy banhammer.

No, I'm pretty sure we all know which way you roll on this one.

Damn, that typical gaf response. Right on cue lol

[Aeptia]

[injurai]

I see that everyone's been watching their fair share of Jordan Peterson videos.

Can't wait to see you get fined for not calling someone a fury 

I know that this Canadian law is a problem, but it effects such a small minority that most people will go their whole lives never breaking the rule because it would apply to no one they know.

At the end of the day it was passed so the people in power could enact a gesture and prevent a rabid horde from ruining their career.

I don't think JBP is all that loony, the more I listen and the more I see him qualify his claims some of the more wild things he says really calm down.

The one thing about him is he makes real problems seem a bit larger than they really are. Like suggesting Universities no longer serve truth and you are better off going elsewhere, while at the same time claiming that most of his colleagues and most journalist have reached out to him to say they agree with him. So which one is it? I think he's too old to understand the internet too, so the trolls really take him for a ride.

[Aeptia]

LMAO, mods got this one quick: https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-s-l-sfw-only-please.1547/

[etiolate]

You can use the n word in Canada and the states.

Ah, got it.. someone seemed to imply earlier you couldn't (whoever said "this just extends the rights miniroities already have" or something.)

Nah that was a bunch of hogwash. Horseshit drummed up by trans activists that don't really have trans individuals in mind as much as their political career.

[Oblivion]

You can use the n word in Canada and the states.

Ah, got it.. someone seemed to imply earlier you couldn't (whoever said "this just extends the rights miniroities already have" or something.)

I got that from here:

It will add the words “gender identity and expression” to section 318(4) of the Code, which defines an identifiable group for the purposes of “advocating genocide” and “the public incitement hatred”  It joins colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation or mental or physical disability.

http://sds.utoronto.ca/blog/bill-c-16-no-its-not-about-criminalizing-pronoun-misuse/

[remist]

Seems like a not so great use of "compelled speach."  You can still use you, them.. they.. or the correct pronoun.

Can't call black people the n word.. so isn't that also compelling you to say certain words if you want to discuss black people if you'd prefer to be a racist bastard?

There is a difference between restricting something you can say and forcing you to express ideas you do not hold. And you are not allowed to used gender neutral pronouns like they or them if the person in question doesnt want you to.

[injurai]

Just noticed that subpar suckposter is banned, suicide or got caught up?

[Aeptia]

Thread turned WOAT 

GTFO with your politics

[Assimilate]

There is a difference between restricting something you can say and forcing you to express ideas you do not hold.

If I hold the idea that black people should be called the n word and nothing else... how is that different?  Also, using they, them, you, your doesn't force anyone to express any idea.

(someone else established you are not stopped from calling black people the n word, but doesn't change what my point was)

Where are you from?

What's your point then?

[Oblivion]

Okay, but even if that's the case, is this the kind of thing that's going to keep you up at night?

Absolutely, compelled speech is the worst kind of road to be going down.

So...if say someone like Cindi Mayweather asked you to refer to her as..well, "her", and you disagree with such a thing, this would be asking too much of you?

Obviously I would personally use whatever pronoun someone preferred, but I would still be against the law compelling me to do it.

You say "obviously", which makes it sound like you think that morally it's the right thing for someone to do (the corollary being that only some douchebag transphobic shitheel would refuse such a request, right?). That being the case, this doesn't effect you, your life wouldn't be changed at all otherwise, and the only people who would have a problem with this would be people who hate trans folk. So why is this bill a problem that needs to be addressed exactly?

[landaulifshitz]

In this thread, the n word we should be focussed on is NeoGAF. Right? Right?

 

[Assimilate]

Okay, but even if that's the case, is this the kind of thing that's going to keep you up at night?

Absolutely, compelled speech is the worst kind of road to be going down.

So...if say someone like Cindi Mayweather asked you to refer to her as..well, "her", and you disagree with such a thing, this would be asking too much of you?

Obviously I would personally use whatever pronoun someone preferred, but I would still be against the law compelling me to do it.

You say "obviously", which makes it sound like you think that morally it's the right thing for someone to do (the corollary being that only some douchebag transphobic shitheel would refuse such a request, right?). That being the case, this doesn't effect you, your life wouldn't be changed at all otherwise, and the only people who would have a problem with this would be people who hate trans folk. So why is this bill a problem that needs to be addressed exactly?

I believe the bill has a list of pronouns that someone can choose to be called. Some of them are not common pronouns people use. If you don't see the problem in that, well just wait. 

[counterhit]

I see that everyone's been watching their fair share of Jordan Peterson videos.

I mean Peterson is a loon on some subjects, but a broken clock....

Peterson's lectures are actually pretty interesting from a philosophical perspective. It's the stuff he gets invited on dumb/rightwing/both shows to talk about which is pleb-tier.

[etiolate]

There is a difference between restricting something you can say and forcing you to express ideas you do not hold.

If I hold the idea that black people should be called the n word and nothing else... how is that different?  Also, using they, them, you, your doesn't force anyone to express any idea.

(someone else established you are not stopped from calling black people the n word, but doesn't change what my point was)

You get to choose what you call them instead.

[benjipwns]

Just noticed that subpar suckposter is banned, suicide or got caught up?

iirc after posting all over gaf for three days he did a suicide thread and couldn't get banned himself for like two hours

[remist]

Okay, but even if that's the case, is this the kind of thing that's going to keep you up at night?

Absolutely, compelled speech is the worst kind of road to be going down.

So...if say someone like Cindi Mayweather asked you to refer to her as..well, "her", and you disagree with such a thing, this would be asking too much of you?

Obviously I would personally use whatever pronoun someone preferred, but I would still be against the law compelling me to do it.

You say "obviously", which makes it sound like you think that morally it's the right thing for someone to do (the corollary being that only some douchebag transphobic shitheel would refuse such a request, right?). That being the case, this doesn't effect you, your life wouldn't be changed at all otherwise, and the only people who would have a problem with this would be people who hate trans folk. So why is this bill a problem that needs to be addressed exactly?

I mean I don't agree with Jordan Peterson, but his reason for not using certain pronouns is an ideological one not based on hate but on a weird neomarxist conspiracy theory. So no I don't believe that everyone who could potentially refuse to use a pronoun is a transphobic shitheel. And the core of the law that doesn't compel speech was not controversial, so why keep the bullshit.

[benjipwns]

R stands for things I'll never support. In a two party winner takes all system I'll vote D every time regardless of candidate. Not voting was the blight.

[benjipwns]

Just noticed that subpar suckposter is banned, suicide or got caught up?

iirc after posting all over gaf for three days he did a suicide thread and couldn't get banned himself for like two hours

actually maybe it was for this and i'm confusing him with another poster: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=252878026#post252878026

[etiolate]

You get to choose what you call them instead.

There's no way the law bars anyone from using non-gendered pronouns.  You, your, they then (third time I've pointed this out.)

They can say I'm not "they", I am "zir". 

It's worth pointing out that they put up guidelines on this that backed that up and then took them off-line once the controversy got attention.

There is also a huge difference between an epithet which requires personal choice to use and a pronoun which is a mechanic of language.

And again the rule does nothing to help anyone and only exists as a gateway to abuse of the law.

[Broseidon]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252873778&postcount=23

 

Doesn't this essentially confirm Lime is a mod troll alt?

[remist]

You get to choose what you call them instead.

There's no way the law bars anyone from using non-gendered pronouns.  You, your, they then (third time I've pointed this out.)

"Refusing to refer to a trans person by their chosen name and a personal pronoun that matches their gender identity......" is against the law and it doesn't mention any exceptions for gender neutral pronouns. And if there is some ambiguity they could have accepted an amendment that removed any potential compelled speech but they did not.

[benjipwns]

 

[Assimilate]

They can say I'm not "they", I am "zir". 

All these posters would instantly feel differently the second someone gets totally offended with them from not being referred to as a "zir" 

[Pepinappe]

That Subpar Spork or whatever is banned, thank fuck. 

[Oblivion]

Okay, but even if that's the case, is this the kind of thing that's going to keep you up at night?

Absolutely, compelled speech is the worst kind of road to be going down.

So...if say someone like Cindi Mayweather asked you to refer to her as..well, "her", and you disagree with such a thing, this would be asking too much of you?

Obviously I would personally use whatever pronoun someone preferred, but I would still be against the law compelling me to do it.

You say "obviously", which makes it sound like you think that morally it's the right thing for someone to do (the corollary being that only some douchebag transphobic shitheel would refuse such a request, right?). That being the case, this doesn't effect you, your life wouldn't be changed at all otherwise, and the only people who would have a problem with this would be people who hate trans folk. So why is this bill a problem that needs to be addressed exactly?

I mean I don't agree with Jordan Peterson, but his reason for not using certain pronouns is an ideological one not based on hate but on a weird neomarxist conspiracy theory. So no I don't believe that everyone who could potentially refuse to use a pronoun is a transphobic shitheel. And the core of the law that doesn't compel speech was not controversial, so why keep the bullshit.

If it's not unreasonable for people to refuse to honor the wishes of the trans person they're speaking to, then the request is not "obvious" like you previously claimed at all, is it?

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[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/site-feedback-users-gender-if-declared-in-their-profile-should-be-visible-next-to-their-posts.1370/

nazi mods locked this, now i know what it's like to post on the bore

wait i was jok-

USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST

[remist]

I made the mistake of arguing with spatula earlier and half his posts show no evidence of having read the person who he is quoting.

If it's not unreasonable for people to refuse to honor the wishes of the trans person they're speaking to, then the request is not "obvious" like you previously claimed at all, is it?

Yes, sorry that was just me virtue signaling.

[Oblivion]

You get to choose what you call them instead.

There's no way the law bars anyone from using non-gendered pronouns.  You, your, they then (third time I've pointed this out.)

They can say I'm not "they", I am "zir". 

It's worth pointing out that they put up guidelines on this that backed that up and then took them off-line once the controversy got attention.

There is also a huge difference between an epithet which requires personal choice to use and a pronoun which is a mechanical element of the language itself.

And again the rule does nothing to help anyone and only exists as a gateway to abuse of the law.

How can someone abuse the law in this case? What scenario would this possibly occur in?

[benjipwns]

I made the mistake of arguing with spatula earlier and half his posts show no evidence of having read the person who he is quoting.

oh my god

OH  MY GOD

HOLLLLY SHIT

ya'll did not just go there

HOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY SHIT LIKE LOLOLOLOL Y'ALL OH MY GOD

[landaulifshitz]

That Subpar Spork or whatever is banned, thank fuck. 

Subpar Spork should be a new definition of tautology, since you're basically saying the same thing twice.

In my opinion, there is no piece cutlery that is more subpar than a spork. Even the name sounds subpar.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252880093&postcount=355

I'm pretty sure this thread was the first time I've ever seen someone directly accuse me of not playing games. That's interesting, mainly because that's such a bad argument that I can't believe someone tried that. That's like boldstrategycotton.gif incarnate. However, that's not the first time the accusation has been thrown at Anita Sarkeesian. That's a boring BS argument that has been refuted so many times. Lmfao she has a bigger collection of games than most gaffers.

[Let's Cyber]

I gotta say it's fucking BULLSHIT that we can't talk about certain things anymore. So fuck you mods, I've got some things to say about ***** *******...

[---]

Thank you for reading.

[Aeptia]

I'm starting to see cracks in the REEEEE system.

I give the place til early 2018. inb4 "Merry Christmas" is offensive, say "Happy Holidays" instead threads.

[CrankyJay]

wtf, they added like another 2k+ accounts since last night?

[benjipwns]

I do not require a change but I just wanted to point out that when registering, the field for the username just says "Name."

At least for me it was very confusing, and I was very close to also type my full name, not knowing that it meant my username.

It would be better to have that label say "Username" instead of the current one.

This is what happened to me. I thought you guys were asking for real name haha. My bad. Sent a PM for new username if the name is not taken.

also where it said "security code" i put my ss#

[injurai]

(Image removed from quote.)

I gotta say it's fucking BULLSHIT that we can't talk about certain things anymore. So fuck you mods, I've got some things to say about ***** *******...

[---]

Thank you for reading.

That warning could be a new emoji to replace he who shall not be named.

[BadAss2961]

That Subpar Spork or whatever is banned, thank fuck. 

I don't know why he hung around to complain as long as he did. Guess he just had nothing better to do with his life.

[Aeptia]

Ok guys, who's snitching?

https://voat.co/v/NeoFAG/2211499

[MangoMadness]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/metal-gear-solid-zero-death-stranding.779/
First ban I’ve seen on Rosetta Stone

What did he do?

Shows the reason and length right on top of post #205.

Quite convenient.

You wanna tone down the condescension and rudeness a bit.

What drama am i meant to be believing right now ?

Nah. Prove yourself of being someone worth listening to.

Until then, you're pretty much just telling a rocket scientist she doesn't know her field.

Making you the twat in the equation.

You called my truths make believe. Go fuck yourself.

User was banned for personal attacks on another forum member: 24 hours.
 
Were the unbearably smug and combative Socially Conscientious Crusaders the good guys all along? 

Well-deserved ban imo.  Hate that kind of alpha-nerd posturing.

He even had to say what great pals he is with Kojima.    

Also telling multiple users to fuck off.  Bet this guy's gonna be a repeat offender.

[CrankyJay]

Is there no PMs on slaent?

[etiolate]

You get to choose what you call them instead.

There's no way the law bars anyone from using non-gendered pronouns.  You, your, they then (third time I've pointed this out.)

They can say I'm not "they", I am "zir". 

It's worth pointing out that they put up guidelines on this that backed that up and then took them off-line once the controversy got attention.

There is also a huge difference between an epithet which requires personal choice to use and a pronoun which is a mechanical element of the language itself.

And again the rule does nothing to help anyone and only exists as a gateway to abuse of the law.

How can someone abuse the law in this case? What scenario would this possibly occur in?

Someone can set someone up they know disagrees with the pronoun usage, get them to use the wrong pronoun, file a complaint and watch their target get punished.

If your next question is whether anyone would do that then consider that they are currently plastering Jordan Peterson's neighborhood with flyers calling him a nazi ally attacking minorities and oppressed peoples. And this all stems from him being against compelled speech, which (again) does nothing to protect trans individuals.

[landaulifshitz]

Ok guys, who's snitching?

https://voat.co/v/babygoats/2211499

Link is dead.

[demi]

Snitching on what? Other people can view this thread man.

[Nuitangg]

I give Crossing Eden a month on resist  before the fuckery starts.  Pretty generic posts so far.

[Aeptia]

Ok guys, who's snitching?

https://voat.co/v/babygoats/2211499

Link is dead.

Welp, that wasn't the link: http://tinyurl.com/y9cre8lk

[injurai]

Until then, you're pretty much just telling a rocket scientist she doesn't know her field.