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Flush it down the memory hole
23 (17.4%)
Make it a ResetEra thread
51 (38.6%)
Make it a Peter Cetera thread
29 (22%)
Ban etoilet
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Great Rumbler

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What do we do with the GAF thread?
« on: October 29, 2017, 09:16:59 PM »
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2017, 09:18:17 PM »
Unless you're dealing with DANGEROUS levels of recursiveness, this ISN'T a NeoGAF thread, right? This references what to do with that other dumpster fire, yes?

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2017, 09:19:35 PM »
let etoilet moderate it
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2017, 09:23:27 PM »
Ferment it.
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2017, 09:24:35 PM »
Keep it around as a containment thread. What name it has doesn't really matter, does it?

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2017, 09:27:40 PM »
seems fine, and it makes sense considering the recent events it's flowing over into the rest of the forum, but i imagine that will cool off in due course. i'm usually oblivious to it outside of these kinds of events. last time i thought about it before GAF imploding was when himu started that thread about how we're all a bunch of degenerate assholes.
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2017, 09:36:23 PM »
Change it into a general forum fuckery thread. Don't even put GAF in the name, because then folks will go "but GAF is dead". It's a containment thread. Needs to be kept for the good of the rest of the site.
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2017, 09:37:25 PM »
Change it into a general forum fuckery thread. Don't even put GAF in the name, because then folks will go "but GAF is dead". It's a containment thread. Needs to be kept for the good of the rest of the site.
Yeah.

Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2017, 09:50:11 PM »


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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2017, 09:52:29 PM »
Yeah, gotta have it up as a bulwark against idiocy. I mean, not the kind of idiocy we enjoy, like jokes about large black cocks, taco bell, and femme atra. I'm talking bad idiocy here.
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2017, 09:52:32 PM »
Give it a swirly
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2017, 10:09:45 PM »
make it a one size fits all refuse dump. a thread for random junk, inter forum bitching and myriad other posts that are best soon forgotten.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2017, 10:22:23 PM »
Like I said earlier, kill it when gaf dies.
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2017, 10:31:39 PM »
Keep is a combined GAF and ResetEra thread.

Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2017, 10:45:57 PM »
Cetera helped make the best damn Tim & Eric episode - with our favorite filter word of the moment no less! - so he gets my vote.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2017, 10:55:08 PM »
flush it and burn everything else

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2017, 10:59:11 PM »
Can we mark all the new neogaf refugees so I know who to avoid?  Like maybe some kind of armband?

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2017, 11:03:10 PM »
Can we mark all the new neogaf refugees so I know who to avoid?  Like maybe some kind of armband?

Something Awful did something similar where if you kept posting in shitty subforums, you got a “Forum Cancer” tag.  The same can be done here.  If 50% of your posts or more are in the GAF thread you automatically get it.
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2017, 11:11:02 PM »
I like it, but instead of automatically, I think Demi should do the counts manually.  To give him a sense of the moral and social responsibility he holds as forum admin.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2017, 11:53:34 PM »
Can we mark all the new neogaf refugees so I know who to avoid?  Like maybe some kind of armband?

Godwin getting seriously close to being invoked...

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2017, 12:19:36 AM »
Hi

benjipwns

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2017, 12:31:43 AM »
I was going to suggest the "Verrit.com authenticated Peter Daou fan thread" but then I remembered the last time we jokingly engaged a crazy person from twitter.

But to be serious for a second and repeat myself in part because I have been spending upwards of five minutes thinking about this since the whole discussion started and Cindi's ban thread exacerbated it.

I find value in the dumpster thread for multiple reasons. And renaming it to "other forums (GAF, Coli, ERA, SA, etc.) drama/dumpster thread" is somewhat of a throw back as we used to have more than just GAF in the title, I remember SA was a part for a while, and PD still posts Coli links probably once a month among other users. Something I don't have a problem with other than the fact that the place is so cac even I can't understand half of it.

And there's a confliction I have regarding my other idea which is my old admin instincts (no Momo) kicking in along with my protectiveness of this place now as I don't particularly like the idea but I'm trying to fish around for a solution. And that's a separate dumpster argument thread (GamerGate, social studies warriors, 2016 primaries, women voting, etc.) that probably shouldn't be stickied but is a place for people who want to continue to hash that crap out to go, that keeps them out of the forum thread which I agree should be way less serious than it has been over the last year or so, but I also disagree with deporting them whole cloth into the Politics thread because no matter what I do to that thread I consider it of a higher standard than to rehash all this stuff outside of something new coming along. For example, to use the closest thing to a legitimate politics argument, it's one thing when Hillary releases a book and has surrogates dredge up Bernie or he holds a big event or whatever and another when it's just the same posters dredging up that shit yet again off of some comment some other poster made. (Or Jack just being Jack.)

It may really suck as a thread but I think that a lot of people still need to work their way through some of that stuff, especially the social studies warriors boogeyman. Even venting probably helps.

Although I also feel Novid needs a stickied thread about this whole CIA psychops that goes back to George H.W. Bush in the 1970s that only he can post in. Because it'd be good to get this information in one place and protected from agents who have infiltrated the Bore simply to cast aspersions on his extensively fact checked and undeniable proof of an extensive conspiracy that the creation of Spacewar began.

I also don't really mind if you guys do decide to just cut the cord entirely, but again, no Momo, but the forum I modded and site/forum I was admin for both did see value from a garbage shittalking thread that'd be archived like you've been doing with the GAF thread, it didn't go entirely unmoderated really and people had to break things up sometimes, but it stopped what had been a problem of posters following each other around the boards fighting. One of the benefits to the GAF thread for many years was that new threads and posts would ensure that any arguments or debates wouldn't last long. I mean I personally was shitting up the thread about Tim Soret after reading the GAF thread and his waypoint interview and the total disconnect with what they were seeing from what he said, which I was basically done with but for examples sake had I continued that or other people started arguing with me or each other or whatever, just a few hours later GAF imploded and the only reason that subject ever came back in the thread was Soret's tweet asking who the real tea-drinking anteater was now. (Also I think I or someone else quoted a ResetEra post still pushing the narrative that his game was an anti-feminist tract rather than a post-scarcity one.)

To make this even more blech, I want to hop on the bandwagon that people saying "GAF is dead, get rid of it" don't really get the point of the thread versus the label. It wasn't about GAF really, GAF "dying" doesn't end what it existed for. The reason it was so GAF-centric and eventually was just called that is because it's the one thing that for the most part unites many of us, we all have ties to GAF sometimes of a decade or more, we know all kinds of people that were there, we know the mods, we knew more about the mods than the average user, we knew the users who posted fifty times a day and their garbage, we know histories of GAF including Evilore's history going back not because we're cataloging it as much as we've lived through it, and for the most part it was a handy quick active site to pop around for a few minutes and almost be assured of seeing something stupid that you'd post on the Bore because maybe someone else might get enjoyment out of it. Or you're trying to bait benji into posting in the thread, er I mean what, Vom would never do that. The GAF diaspora had always been limited to here and Saelent and nobody can navigate that site but ERA will pick up the same traits and GAF will sputter along for a while longer and maybe even bounce back some as juniors and such feel safe to start taking over. Like many of the people we've bitched about took over for some of us as we drifted from GAF.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2017, 12:56:54 AM »
i cain't read all them scribblins

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2017, 01:05:18 AM »
I don't think you can divorce the sjw stuff from GAF/Reset or politics right now, and once the world got to a point where that stuff was divorced from those topics then nobody would care about the sjw stuff. It's a common topic because its so invasive.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2017, 01:07:50 AM »
Keep it around as a containment thread. What name it has doesn't really matter, does it?

I vote for Peckerheads Anonymous

Momo

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2017, 01:08:12 AM »
So yes I keep trying to float the idea of deleting it, but I dont actually think that would be smart. I only float that idea so maybe more posters realize they dont needed it and move on. That thread is absolutely needed as a buffer so the rest of the forum can be chill though.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2017, 03:04:06 AM »
Delete everything but that thread, rename it "GREATRUMBLER'S BATTLEGROUNDS", make everyone a mod and watch the mayhem happen.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2017, 03:26:47 AM »
Can we mark all the new neogaf refugees so I know who to avoid?  Like maybe some kind of armband?
Mark everyone* who is a bad seed, even if they aren't new. Because I still don't know what Etiolate did.

(*Not including general weirdos like Rahx and Dufus.)

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2017, 03:32:04 AM »
Don't feel bad. The people that hate me don't know what I did either.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2017, 03:41:18 AM »
Can we mark all the new neogaf refugees so I know who to avoid?  Like maybe some kind of armband?
Mark everyone* who is a bad seed, even if they aren't new. Because I still don't know what Etiolate did.

(*Not including general weirdos like Rahx and Dufus.)
I don't remember having any particular issue with him until Gamergate happened and he (and some other people) left the board in its wake. He then powered up off screen and came back with this when Trump was elected. The conceited nonsense about post-irony put him on my personal shitlist.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2017, 03:55:15 AM »

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2017, 04:18:55 AM »
I don't hate etoliate, or anybody really or at least not for long, but I do make fun of his over the top phrasing. And stuff like his post-irony kick.

Though I'm pretty sure I know where this is headed, I internalize it and it stops being friendly joking to where it's getting used regularly and it becomes fully embraced into my lexicon and I forget to not overdo it.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2017, 04:30:38 AM »
Keep it so those who don't post there (and definitely never ever read it!) can feel superior :snob


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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2017, 05:50:19 AM »
Can we mark all the new neogaf refugees so I know who to avoid?  Like maybe some kind of armband?
Mark everyone* who is a bad seed, even if they aren't new. Because I still don't know what Etiolate did.

(*Not including general weirdos like Rahx and Dufus.)
I don't remember having any particular issue with him until Gamergate happened and he (and some other people) left the board in its wake. He then powered up off screen and came back with this when Trump was elected. The conceited nonsense about post-irony put him on my personal shitlist.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2017, 07:18:52 AM »
Banning etoilet would imply we've taken him seriously. We haven't. But if you have: fucking stop, dumbass.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2017, 07:47:42 AM »
Dufus > Rufus.
Why you do me like this, Mr. Jemington? :jeanluc

Valkyrie

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2017, 09:01:36 AM »
Just popped into the GAF thread for a minute and JEEEEEEEEESUS keep that shit for containment. We don't want some of these people spilling out.
I still sleep with my lights on from that one time I looked inside the Gaf thread.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2017, 09:05:19 AM »
Breed new superbacteria.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2017, 09:44:16 AM »
shit bin
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2017, 10:57:51 AM »
retitle it "The Official Bore Autism Clinic for Forum Immigrants (Obamacare accepted)" and collect all fuckery within
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2017, 03:22:28 PM »
Can we mark all the new neogaf refugees so I know who to avoid?  Like maybe some kind of armband?

Something Awful did something similar where if you kept posting in shitty subforums, you got a “Forum Cancer” tag.  The same can be done here.  If 50% of your posts or more are in the GAF thread you automatically get it.

I "liked" this post but on second thought I'm not sure this is wise - doesn't it go against the "containment" purpose of the thread if we encourage those posters to post outside of it just to avoid a tag?
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2017, 11:21:39 PM »
I'd make it an interactive cutthroat island of fuckery. Set it up so that each day, posters can vote on which 15-20 people are banned from posting in the thread for 24 hours. That would lower some of the bs going on but more importantly it would result in strategic alliances being formed, likes being traded for votes, and maybe even an introduction of crypto currency.
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2017, 12:27:58 AM »
I'd make it an interactive cutthroat island of fuckery. Set it up so that each day, posters can vote on which 15-20 people are banned from posting in the thread for 24 hours. That would lower some of the bs going on but more importantly it would result in strategic alliances being formed, likes being traded for votes, and maybe even an introduction of crypto currency.
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2017, 01:02:08 AM »
Bore Coin
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Valkyrie

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2017, 05:20:33 AM »
Normally I avoid the drama, but: The Gaf thread has been good for keeping the board clean, but can we please burn it to the ground now? I've looked inside every now and then, but right now it's so cancerous I don't understand why we can't just lock it and let those with ants in their pants move somewhere else.

I like the part where this forum here mods itself, and if those circumstances change after the lock, I dunno. Maybe open it again, or ban the crybabies. It's lame being compared to places like Vo... because some members of this forum jerks off to internet drama.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2017, 05:56:34 AM »
after witnessing its content for the last couple of days, flush it down the toilet

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2017, 06:03:31 AM »
Pretty sure things wouldn't be so bad in that thread if some of the bore senior members stopped egging those recent juniors on. That GAF refuse would have soon been sick of talking to themselves and moved on to VOAT or whatever, but then usually some senior intervenes and they get all over themselves to try and impress him or her (especially if he or she used to be a GAF "personality").

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2017, 06:05:18 AM »
Retire it and try to do without it for a couple of months. :yeshrug
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2017, 06:11:47 AM »
This is how you let Cindi, Trump and besada win.

Handle it however, but if it becomes a regular habit of shitting on the people who took care of the community for three years (or ten years or fifteen years), I'll be leaving.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2017, 06:30:26 AM »
It's a monument for The Bore's sins. Benji died for you like Jesus.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #50 on: November 03, 2017, 06:58:07 AM »
Ignore every suggestion in this thread and keep it rolling.


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Momo

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2017, 07:00:18 AM »
Normally I avoid the drama, but: The Gaf thread has been good for keeping the board clean, but can we please burn it to the ground now? I've looked inside every now and then, but right now it's so cancerous I don't understand why we can't just lock it and let those with ants in their pants move somewhere else.

I like the part where this forum here mods itself, and if those circumstances change after the lock, I dunno. Maybe open it again, or ban the crybabies. It's lame being compared to places like Vo... because some members of this forum jerks off to internet drama.
If that thread goes all that crap will just spill over into the rest of the forum. I post there quite often, but 99/100 of those arent care posts, you'll find all the fellows who've been care posting will just flood our clean threads.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2017, 07:01:34 AM »
This is how you let Cindi, Trump and besada win.

Handle it however, but if it becomes a regular habit of shitting on the people who took care of the community for three years (or ten years or fifteen years), I'll be leaving.
:bolo

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2017, 07:08:24 AM »
I don't understand what all those lurkers are looking at  :doge

Since they are here though, why don't you consider watching my first youtube video:-*

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2017, 07:19:40 AM »
I was thinking the thread would calm down after the whole Era thing, but after seeing someone who isn't even a member say something somewhere, I looked inside earlier today and it was such a mess.

@benji: Who is shitting on who, though? If you're referring to my jerk off comment.. what else am I supposed to call it when a billion juniors register solely for the drama. :doge

Pretty sure things wouldn't be so bad in that thread if some of the bore senior members stopped egging those recent juniors on. That GAF refuse would have soon been sick of talking to themselves and moved on to VOAT or whatever, but then usually some senior intervenes and they get all over themselves to try and impress him or her (especially if he or she used to be a GAF "personality").
What are you even talking about?

I don't think you can blame it on our senior members. They were always there, it's not up to them whether people register or not, it's more of a "thread" problem. But honestly I haven't paid enough attention, maybe I shouldn't have said something in the first place.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2017, 07:24:08 AM »
The thread got addicted to forum drama and is now creating drama to chase that high

Flush it and let withdrawl take hold
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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2017, 07:24:37 AM »
Are we, the filthy juniors. spilling into the rest of the bore and contaminating it? If yes, ban us (if it goes against the rules). If no, then what's the problem?

I can't believe that with the fall of NeoGAF, the once mighty thebore.com (aka The Hate Machine) is having a mid-life crisis.

Maybe it's time to retire, bitch.


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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2017, 07:36:19 AM »
I was thinking the thread would calm down after the whole Era thing, but after seeing someone who isn't even a member say something somewhere, I looked inside earlier today and it was such a mess.

@benji: Who is shitting on who, though? If you're referring to my jerk off comment.. what else am I supposed to call it when a billion juniors register solely for the drama. :doge

You have just as much say here as anyone, if anything here upsets you in any way it's best to post about it (The second sentence of Benji's post is a copy pasta from something Besada wrote btw).  That thread has especially been a mess the last bit because of Cindi's post, her claim stands at odds with what some (most?) of us feel, personally I don't like seeing Benji attacked in a smear campaign and it further upset me that Cindi would come in here and repeat the (demonstrably false) claims of these two against Benji. This was the first time in ages that I care posted and I'd so again because this just aint right. (Cindi has every right to post what she wants, but she cant expect people to not have opinions, and i'm sure she's not even mad anyway)

Now despite all this, yes in general the thread has been a cesspit since after the neogaf break, yes I expected it to die down again, but some of our posters are pulling drama in from outside and internalizing it, prolonging the misery. We could probably just stay out of the thread willingly and not feed it for a while though.

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #58 on: November 03, 2017, 07:36:21 AM »
Think about this, before, Wrath and others complained about people quoting posts without linking to the GAF thread, now there's almost no problem finding exactly which thread!

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Re: What do we do with the GAF thread?
« Reply #59 on: November 03, 2017, 07:43:16 AM »
What are you even talking about?

I don't think you can blame it on our senior members. They were always there, it's not up to them whether people register or not, it's more of a "thread" problem. But honestly I haven't paid enough attention, maybe I shouldn't have said something in the first place.

I'm not blaming them solely, but maybe they should stop reacting to every care post about GAF or ERA (or creating them themselves). It just fans the flames for those people who are just here for the GAF drama. I used to rather like the GAF thread because it used to make fun of the weird people on GAF without taking itself too serious (most of the time). I think that changed sometime this year, even before that recent Malka drama.

But I don't want to be some holier-than-thou asshole. If people still have fun in that thread than it ain't my place to say anything against it, especially as a filthy junior myself.