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[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/holy-shit-disney-will-be-a-monopoly-in-2019.9012/

Wow if true

Do you mean "wow, the OP has no idea what the word 'monopoly' means?"

[FunSlower]

Has there been any Amir0x updates in the past two weeks?

[CHOW CHOW]

is it worth playing MGS5 if you haven't played the previous ones

it's on Gamepass

[CHOW CHOW]

god i miss bobby

[venereology]

Has there been any Amir0x updates in the past two weeks?

his sentencing is set for jan 11. hopefully he's had more piss incidents in the meantime.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1458814
 

Has there been any Amir0x updates in the past two weeks?

Pretty sure he already got released, otherwise this news story makes no sense.
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_268748/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=gsOgPuJ3

[zomgee]

Is it irrational if I hate any thread title with "we need to talk", "let's talk about", and "X or: Y". like fuck name your threads luke a normal person and stop this pseudo intellectual bullshit.

I feel the same way. Framing an argument like that implies authority. So does ending it with phrases like "Ok? Thanks."

I'd also couple that with so-called Open Letters.

[Coax]

is it worth playing MGS5 if you haven't played the previous ones

it's on Gamepass

You don't need to have played the previous MGS games. It has immensely enjoyable gameplay mechanics and the first half-ish of The Phantom Pain is the better part, just don't be surprised if mid-way through you find it lack-luster. If you avoid much of the development grind for the highest tier weapons and just play it for as long as it feels interesting then I'd say it's worth experiencing. Some would say Ground Zeroes is the shorter and sweeter title of the two, though I probably liked TPP more despite its flaws.

[Rufus]

I like that the people for social justice are also the people slutshaming. All social justice is equal, but some social justice is more equal than others.

In here? Nah. Sluts are fine. Awkwardly inserted, over-the top cheesecake however is a joke. People didn't make a big deal of the softcore porn in the Witcher series outside of the polaroids trading cards in the first one.

[Uncle]

Is it irrational if I hate any thread title with "we need to talk", "let's talk about", and "X or: Y". like fuck name your threads luke a normal person and stop this pseudo intellectual bullshit.

I feel the same way. Framing an argument like that implies authority. So does ending it with phrases like "Ok? Thanks."

I'd also couple that with so-called Open Letters.

[FStop7]

I love it when anon rando neckbeards tell me what I need to do or think.

[samfish]

Is it irrational if I hate any thread title with "we need to talk", "let's talk about", and "X or: Y". like fuck name your threads luke a normal person and stop this pseudo intellectual bullshit.

I feel the same way. Framing an argument like that implies authority. So does ending it with phrases like "Ok? Thanks."

I'd also couple that with so-called Open Letters.

They all think they’re intellectuals and undiscovered writers. That’s why they write that way.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/holy-shit-disney-will-be-a-monopoly-in-2019.9012/

Wow if true

Do you mean "wow, the OP has no idea what the word 'monopoly' means?"

What are you talking about? Like what other kinds of movies could there possibly be? They've got literally all of it anyone could want, who else could compete against it in terms of stuff that might be discussed on the internet?

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Someone needs to do something. Especially if they're going to be partnering with people like PewDiePie and allowing people like RedLetterMedia to discuss their movies.

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[benjipwns]

Is it irrational if I hate any thread title with "we need to talk", "let's talk about", and "X or: Y". like fuck name your threads luke a normal person and stop this pseudo intellectual bullshit.

I feel the same way. Framing an argument like that implies authority. So does ending it with phrases like "Ok? Thanks."

I'd also couple that with so-called Open Letters.

They all think they’re intellectuals and undiscovered writers. That’s why they write that way.

Okay? Thanks.

[benjipwns]

I love it when anon rando neckbeards tell me what I need to do or think.

What if we're fairly decently yet still probably too lazily shaven?

[Jansen]

 

https://www.resetera.com/posts/1597145/

 

[VomKriege]

Some moe moe fluff with pretty girls is just what the doctor ordered when you're feeling down in the dumps, at least for me, and sometimes there's nothing quite like a good nukige to tune out to.

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I looked up "nukige" and of course it's erotic visual novels.

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[benjipwns]

Let's take this statement to be true. Then...

... What's wrong with that? As previously stated, I'm not a centrist on every issue. But what is most important of all, I make choices based on my own independent thinking and belief system. I'm generally wary of extremes because I've anecdotally seen what it does to people, and have read in history books what it can do to societies. (For example, communism is what I would personally consider to be an extreme form of economics/government, and plenty of examples in the 20th century show that it is an extreme that can cause societies to go on a quick path towards failure. But I digress.)

Anyway, before this is seen as a tangent or worse, a derail, it is an important conversation for me in terms of this thread's topic.

What has happened before is that, for socially progressive topics where there's a large agreement, the politically right side is seen as bad. (In this case, I agree). But I've seen people get called all sorts of nasty names and labels -- "misogynist", "pervert" (for those that like the anime stuff, which I very much don't), "Nazi", "alt right", etc, and those labels are, in the most passionate cases, usually accompanied with unflattering adjective(s). (So, for example, someone can't just be "alt right"... They could be, in the words of the accuser(s), "fucking alt right scum.") And if that happens, is the conversation really civil? At that point, are the progressives any better than the alt right/Gamergater people they're accusing? In my honest view: NO. And it's something that sometimes stops ME in my personal tracks of taking progressive arguments seriously (as in, fully embracing them in an actionable manner), which is a pity given that there are legitimate grievances, as detailed in the OP.

Given that I personally find the position on the right disagreeable in this case, that leaves two sides (ish): the progressive side, and for me personally, the centrist view. But it has happened before, and we're seeing it develop in this very thread -- to some, centrism is NOT good. It's "cowardly."

To me, that means I either "get in line" with the progressive view, or, as it almost always happens, I don't even state my point of view. While I think (and hope) I can add to civil discourse an given social issues of importance, I absolutely refuse to be (what I feel is) coerced into any given point of view.

This is only my personal stance, reflective of my own personal experience, and is in no way: (1) scientific or authoritative; (2) meant to be inflammatory; (3) or incite any ill feelings. I'm just voicing out where I'm coming from on these kinds of discussions.

To anyone who does, thanks for reading.

Since being at the center is sometimes about balance, I'll put it in the context of this very conversation. Some of my own personal beliefs:

1. Positively perceived characters/role models such as Aloy can coexist with the "bikini babes" from Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball. In all fairness, I don't think I've seen a single person in this thread arguing to the contrary.

2. We need to strike a balance between the open criticism of a problem, but certainly celebrate when those problems are addressed (and in some cases, resolved). As of this point, I don't personally feel that there is a balance. If you see the larger discussion threads (can only speak to this forum and the previous one), there is a disproportionate amount of "THERE IS A PROBLEM!" as opposed to "Yippee! Here is a thread to celebrate positive women and minority characters!" If such a thread exists, apologies for having missed it. But it does beg the question, though: how many times are such threads created? How many pages do they go on for? I think criticism, combined with celebration, can send the right message to developers and members of the community.

3. Kind of related to the point above, but my perception (I can't speak for others) is that there is a barrage of just negative coverage, which does make it seem, like, YES, people are "looking for problems." (I've read and re read that portion of the OP several times now. I still respectfully disagree with the OP.) Sorry to pile on this particular example, but the Lara Croft "death fetishism" -- I mean, for a quick and dirty example...look at my avatar! Between RE2 and RE4 alone, that guy has died many, many times in some unquestionably graphic, gruesome, and violent ways. Should we change the ways Lara dies just because she's a woman? In my humble opinion: absolutely NOT! If anything, that sends the wrong message, which leads to my last point for now...

4. I very, very, very much want better representation in video games. I don't see how anyone could lose by doing it. However, agitating for such inclusion in this particular medium is tricky. I'm one of those in the camp of "most videogame writers still struggle with writing believable, relatable, well made characters." And it's got NOTHING to due with race/ethnicity/religion/gender/sexual orientation/etc. There is a large and tragic number of white males in video games that are written badly in bad stories. These same writers, when pressed to include women/POC/etc, have no clue what to do, and end up doing what I believe is more damage than good. Immediately off the top of my head in one second, I can think of Jonah from Tomb Raider 2013: he could not be an alluring individual with his own struggles, his individualized thoughts, etc: NO, he had to be the heavyset, "superstitious" Pacific Islander character. Cringe. And that's just Jonah, who I actually think is one of the better secondary characters in that game! Now, this doesn't mean that progress and inclusion should stop in its tracks until videogame character/story writers "get their act together." But just know that if you press for such inclusion, you're gonna get some hits, but potentially lots of misses.

Anyway, as always, thanks for reading.

Someone needs to get this guy acquainted with a favorite theory of one Mr. Glenn Beck and then years later NeoGAF.com the forum that never existed in the before times, the Overton window.

[HardcoreRetro]

Awkwardly inserted, over-the top cheesecake however is a joke.

Ah yes. Gaming, the last bastion of high brow intellegentia, totally bereft of distasteful subject matter.

Headshot! Plus 100 action points!       *achievement unlocked*

[benjipwns]

In short, the centrist would approach a question like this in the style of a judge. Consider the current legal framework and then try to apply objective principles. Where they conflict (as is inevitable), try to find a moderate position.

I once suggested to someone who kept bothering me for help on their strange thesis regarding Greek philosophy that something like this should be the Wikipedia summary of Aristotle's Politics

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/1597145/

 

User was banned for this post (1 week): defense of game with content of child pornography.

I'm not familiar with the series but I'm guessing it was that Grisaia visual novel?

[I'm a Puppy!]

So.....I just saw a bunch of anime names I didn't know. How did Peter Cetera know some had child pornography?

[Rufus]

Awkwardly inserted, over-the top cheesecake however is a joke.

Ah yes. Gaming, the last bastion of high brow intellegentia, totally bereft of distasteful subject matter.

Headshot! Plus 100 action points!       *achievement unlocked*

You're right, it is pretty low hanging fruit. Why hold off though?

[Jansen]

So.....I just saw a bunch of anime names I didn't know. How did Peter Cetera know some had child pornography?

I actually think it was dungeon travellers 2 since discussion of that game was banned on gaf.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/1597145/

 

User was banned for this post (1 week): defense of game with content of child pornography.

I'm not familiar with the series but I'm guessing it was that Grisaia visual novel?

was the mod banned or at least warned for spoiling that this game contained child pornography?

[gfm793]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/1597145/

 

User was banned for this post (1 week): defense of game with content of child pornography.

I'm not familiar with the series but I'm guessing it was that Grisaia visual novel?

That's rich because I know of no game in existence that contains child pornography. Words mean things.

[Jansen]

 

[HardcoreRetro]

You're right, it is pretty low hanging fruit. Why hold off though?

I just don't understand why this one game gets singled out when there's such a large ammount of stuff falling into the same trap. The low hanging fruit thing also makes the critique sound disingenuous and it seems like it's more about joining the group that's shitting on the game than actually having something to say.

[Rufus]

I just don't understand why this one game gets singled out when there's such a large ammount of stuff falling into the same trap.

Because it's singularly dumb with more eyes on it than niche moe pantsu fodder.

[Uncle]

That's rich because I know of no game in existence that contains child pornography. Words mean things.

Under an extreme technicality, maybe The Guy Game.

[benjipwns]

Mr. Kushner did someone else tell you to have Mr. Flynn setup a meeting with Russia?

Yes.

And, is that person in the court room with us today?

Alright, you got me counsellor, it was me.

Mr. Kushner! I have a sworn statement, from you, stating that Pres. Trump ordered you to setup a meeting with the Russian Government!

Who? Trump? He's a fall guy, with very big hands, the best. I'm the brains of the administration.

Your honor, permission to treat the witness as hostile?

Hostile?! I'll show you hostile.

*Pulls out pistol*
*It jams.*
*Kushner is punched in the face*

Russian made MP-443 pistol. If you want to kill a public servant Mr. Trump, I suggest you buy American.

 

Sorry, but The Walt Disney Corporation has no room for any poorly scripted Trump-related fantasy courtroom dramas in their monopoly film schedule.

Please revise and resubmit.

[gfm793]

That's rich because I know of no game in existence that contains child pornography. Words mean things.

Under an extreme technicality, maybe The Guy Game.

Point to you sir.

[Nabbis]

I just looked at the name "moegamer" and closed the link.

[FStop7]

The Flynn thread on ReRe is something else.  Fake Twitter accounts posted as real (Flynn Jr), bizarre and cringey fanfic, general squeals and snorts.

[Let's Cyber]

The Flynn thread on ReRe is something else.  Fake Twitter accounts posted as real (Flynn Jr), bizarre and cringey fanfic, general squeals and snorts.

I assume it's a lot of the same posters from this thread?

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1332563

[Joe Molotov]

Is my interpretation of what "moe" means correct?

Moe:  anime that shows little girls in dresses and often revealing their panties that obviously exists to perv out on that is instead labeled as "cute" so people can pretend they aren't pedos.

No, this is moe:

[I'm a Puppy!]

That's rich because I know of no game in existence that contains child pornography. Words mean things.

Under an extreme technicality, maybe The Guy Game.

Uncle - Child Porn in games expert.

[FStop7]

If liking rosy-cheeked pandas is wrong then I don't wanna be right

[Jansen]

why are they always changing ban lengths? it went from a week to a month. let one mod make the initial call and stick to it.

[nachobro]

Meanwhile on the NeoGAF Giant Bomb thread



That thread and this exchange in specific is just cracking me up In my mind the whole thread is a performance, but if it isn't that's even funnier.

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/1586869/

Y'know, I don't really like clowns. They creep me the fuck out. But I don't have a problem with clown lovers. I don't have a problem with circuses, clown clubs, video games or movies about clowns, clown focused magazines with clown center folds. Those things are clearly marked as products aimed at the clown audience, for clown lovers. If you like yourself some clown action, it's easy to walk into a store and grab your product, and it's easy for me to say hell naw and stay the fuck away from it. But imagine a world...where 80% to 90% or some other way too high a number of media...had clowns in it.

Imagine looking through games at your preferred game retailer and a game figuratively speaks to you – Hey! you like sci-fi?

Yeah I do.

- You like explorin' expansive alien landscapes of eye melting beauty?

You bet!

- You like driving around giantass transforming mechs?

Hell yeah!

- Then this game is pertinent to your interests!

So you get home with your latest purchase and everything seems great then first boss and fucking clown out of no where. Why is this boss a clown?! This game has shit to do with clowns. It's just sorta' there so whatever you send it packing and the game goes back to normal...until you meet the alien species populated entirely by mimes. Why are they mimes? It doesn't make any god damn sense but there they are. Then there's the clown themed costumes and that random clown in a cut scene that ruins the mood and drags you out of the game's immersion cause you can't stop staring at its giant jiggling balloons, and you aren't even into clowns but it's just so fucking distracting!

So fuck this game, play another. So you're blazing a trail of death and destruction through some bald guy shooter, taking out the terroristnazicommies when the elite badguy squad shows up and it's clowns. They come at you juggling their balls and making faces and the camera can't seem to stay out of their back pockets, making sure you get a real good close up of their polka dots and squeaky noses and why the fuck are they clowns? What do they add to this game? Who bought this game for the clowns? There are so many better choices for clown lovers that focus on clowning. Nobody bought this for the off chance of clowns yet here they are.

So fuck that game too but as you continue your search you steadily get this sinking suspicion that you can't escape. Games about clowns aimed at the clown loving audience aren't enough. Clowns are everywhere. Even those games you think are for you still dedicate a chunk of their content to the clown fandom. Doesn't matter if the game isn't really aimed at that audience, that audience might look in and so they must be pandered to. Doesn't matter if the clowns fit the theme, if they're out of place, the clowntaku are the ones that count most so fuck everybody else.





This isn't really about clowns.

I like how you're supposed to replace "clowns" with "sexualized women," but if you go a step further and just replace it with "women" it becomes SUPER MISOGYNISTIC.

Or how if you replace it with "gays" it also captures the exact sentiment homophobes use constantly.  "I don't mind people being gay, I just don't want it shoved in my face all the time!"

[fistfulofmetal]

Meanwhile on the NeoGAF Giant Bomb thread

https://i.imgur.com/A5jOfBr.png

That thread and this exchange in specific is just cracking me up In my mind the whole thread is a performance, but if it isn't that's even funnier.

now the dude is being mega creepy about Danika and Abby 

[Boredfrom]

Is my interpretation of what "moe" means correct?

Moe:  anime that shows little girls in dresses and often revealing their panties that obviously exists to perv out on that is instead labeled as "cute" so people can pretend they aren't pedos.

No.

Some people consider the  Kaiji anime Moe but there is no female characters on it.

[Boredfrom]

I feel like you guys are full of shit and are kind of proving my point.

True or false: most "moe" anime is about little girls.

That is not untrue but is not the correct definition.

[Nabbis]

I like how pedo circles are all about academic terminology these days. 

[Boredfrom]

I like how pedo circles are all about academic terminology these days. 

Amirox was no academic

[FStop7]

Meanwhile on the NeoGAF Giant Bomb thread

https://i.imgur.com/A5jOfBr.png

That thread and this exchange in specific is just cracking me up In my mind the whole thread is a performance, but if it isn't that's even funnier.

now the dude is being mega creepy about Danika and Abby 

Same guy who posted about wishing Ben would die or something like that in their Discord channel.  Either an F-grade troll account or an S-rank fuckboy.  In the end, what's the difference?

[Boredfrom]

That is not untrue but is not the correct definition.

Well I'm being slightly facetious; I'm suggesting the word is used as a sort of cop-out to not admitting you are just a pedo.

Oh I love these Moe anime; she's so cute and adorable and I really have great totally consensual affection for this little girl in a dress drawing!

I don't think you can use the word consensual to describe a relationship with a fictional character by default.

[Boredfrom]

I don't think you can use the word consensual to describe a relationship with a fictional character by default.

Sorry, meant platonic.

Now is creepy.

But most weebs like that are already in image boards while being open about it.

[Uncle]

the only moe game I play

[thisismyusername]

Is hbomberguy the youtuber the same poster that was on GAF?

[VomKriege]

Moe is a hard term to define. My flawed understanding is that it's often cute, inoffensive and shallow. It's not really sexual however even if it is made to cater to the Japanese enthusiast audiences (including rigid views on the role of women).
Danielle Riendeau speaks of the "neo endearment crew" who you'll find around My Little Pony or Overwatch characters fandom and I got the sense "moe" is a little bit like that.

[etiolate]

Is my interpretation of what "moe" means correct?

Moe:  anime that shows little girls in dresses and often revealing their panties that obviously exists to perv out on that is instead labeled as "cute" so people can pretend they aren't pedos.

No, this is moe:

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Bzzt. Moe =

[Jansen]

[Jansen]

https://twitter.com/MoeGamer/status/936664584685064192?s=17



Pathetic weeb

[Joe Molotov]

Is Hamtaro moe?

Not as moe as  Ebichu.

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/MoeGamer/status/936664584685064192?s=17

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Pathetic weeb

Be triggered for calling a spade a spade, brehs.

"Moe Gamer..."

[nudemacusers]

https://twitter.com/MoeGamer/status/936664584685064192?s=17

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Pathetic weeb

Scrolling through dude’s twitter media

[Great Rumbler]

When you play games like that, you have to be willing to accept the scarlet L.

[Boredfrom]

When you play games like that, you have to be willing to accept the scarlet L.

That didnt stop Amirox