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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10260 on: January 16, 2018, 11:14:39 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-dont-you-want-kids.16918/

Not one shocking response to be found.

I am 35, I do not see this changing at this point. This weekend, I played Mario Odyssey from Saturday thru Monday. It was nice and chill. With a child, I would imagine I would have to feed them, take them to some sort of activity, etc. 

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« Reply #10261 on: January 16, 2018, 11:17:08 PM »
Is Adder's avatar his picture?

I believe so. It's real pic January dude.

oh dear

it looks like he's cosplaying a black militant

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« Reply #10262 on: January 16, 2018, 11:22:44 PM »
"I believe it is a man thing" is not a good response.

Condescending, dismissive, etc. We have words for it.

We have the word late and the word tardy, so why do we have black people time?

These terms do something completely needless for bad reasons.

I mean...it is a man thing. The same way white people have a certain level of racial animus, men have a certain level of sexism. That's what happens when you live in a society built specifically for you.

The concept of "black people time" exists specifically because of white people stereotyping black people.

dude

You need to reexamine your assumptions.

There is a case for "it is a man" thing, but not in the way you're seeing it. Men are more likely to challenge authority, but that doesn't actually fall in line with the idea behind mansplaining. They are more risk taking, which may lead to them challenges others who society recognizes as experts. However, neither of those things fall in line with assumed authority, condescension and dismissive attitudes. A women with risk taking and disagreeableness would exhibit the same behavior. There certainly can be a legit "mansplaining", but its rare enough not to require the sexist phrasing and certainly not common enough to justify its frequency of use.


Also, society is not specifically built for any single person. I kind of need to know where you went wrong in order to address you on this any further. Perhaps I should ask why black time is stereotyping but mansplaining is not?

Aren't there fewer risk taking women historically due to how our society has been set up, specifically in relation to the roles we have established for men and women?

Of course society isn't built for any single person. Our society was specifically built to benefit white people, specifically white men.

To me there's a big difference between "black people time" and "mansplaining." One phrase is the creation of a dominant group to oppress another group ("black people are lazy/can't be trusted"). The other phrase is the creation of an oppressed group, describing one of the ways a dominant group antagonizes them. As I said earlier, I don't think a large percentage of "mansplaining" examples boil down to guys trying to shit on women. The question I'd ask is...why do a lot of guys seem to think that women can't possibly know what they're talking about when it comes to [insert topic]? Where does that mentality come from? Is it something singular, ie "this is just an individual issue that we can't extrapolate anything else from," or is it...again...something that has to do with how our society is set up, how men view themselves and how men view women?
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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10263 on: January 16, 2018, 11:26:46 PM »
DICKS OUT FOR AMIR0X!!!!!!!!1

Boredfrom

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« Reply #10264 on: January 16, 2018, 11:34:07 PM »
Both mansplaning and white privilege exist, but mansplaining probably would benefit to be relabeled as something that sounds less “whiny” to the casual observer.

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« Reply #10265 on: January 16, 2018, 11:39:38 PM »
White privilege also exists but is probably a horrific argument to make because people only ever get defensive and you have to argue what privilege is rather than the issue at hand, which is white supremacy. Privilege should be retired in general population nomenclature.
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« Reply #10266 on: January 16, 2018, 11:46:03 PM »
Jesus fuck would you assholes talk about something interesting? I’m unemployed and have time to kill and it’s like reading the dictionary in here. You ugly stupid bitches have me jonesin’ for CSPAN2.
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« Reply #10267 on: January 16, 2018, 11:53:03 PM »
"I believe it is a man thing" is not a good response.

Condescending, dismissive, etc. We have words for it.

We have the word late and the word tardy, so why do we have black people time?

These terms do something completely needless for bad reasons.

I mean...it is a man thing. The same way white people have a certain level of racial animus, men have a certain level of sexism. That's what happens when you live in a society built specifically for you.

The concept of "black people time" exists specifically because of white people stereotyping black people.

dude

You need to reexamine your assumptions.

There is a case for "it is a man" thing, but not in the way you're seeing it. Men are more likely to challenge authority, but that doesn't actually fall in line with the idea behind mansplaining. They are more risk taking, which may lead to them challenges others who society recognizes as experts. However, neither of those things fall in line with assumed authority, condescension and dismissive attitudes. A women with risk taking and disagreeableness would exhibit the same behavior. There certainly can be a legit "mansplaining", but its rare enough not to require the sexist phrasing and certainly not common enough to justify its frequency of use.


Also, society is not specifically built for any single person. I kind of need to know where you went wrong in order to address you on this any further. Perhaps I should ask why black time is stereotyping but mansplaining is not?

Aren't there fewer risk taking women historically due to how our society has been set up, specifically in relation to the roles we have established for men and women?

We don't know that is why. Across various species, similar gender patterns show up. It is also something in-grained from long ago, where we were a species still trying to make it day to day. If women were child rearing, then men had to go out to take risks in order to secure food, safety, health. Even though m/f distribution tends to come out even, a higher % of females reproduce than males. This creates reproductivity scarcity for one side that may lead to risk taking in order to pass on lineage. There's been various reasons for men to adopt risk taking as a trait. It is likely a nature+nurture outcome.

Only modernity gives us the space to question societal roles. Even in the countries that spend the most time and money to eliminate societal inequalities, the traditional gender roles come out, and some say they come out more strongly without societal tensions to test or limit biological factors.

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Of course society isn't built for any single person. Our society was specifically built to benefit white people, specifically white men.

To me there's a big difference between "black people time" and "mansplaining." One phrase is the creation of a dominant group to oppress another group ("black people are lazy/can't be trusted"). The other phrase is the creation of an oppressed group, describing one of the ways a dominant group antagonizes them. As I said earlier, I don't think a large percentage of "mansplaining" examples boil down to get guy trying to shit on women. The question I'd ask is...why do a lot of guys seem to think that women can't possibly know what they're talking about when it comes to [insert topic]? Where does that mentality come from? Is it something singular, ie "this is just an individual issue that we can't extrapolate anything else from," or is it...again...something that has to do with how our society is set up, how men view themselves and how men view women?

I find critical theory to be mostly ass and this sounds like critical theory. At least crit theory without critical thinking.

There is of course a long history of race in America, but oppressor/oppressed dynamics as justification and logic has a bad history. Things are also far too complex for that. If the country or world was set up for white men then you wouldn't have so many white men struggle. There's many born-in advantages and disadvantages in life. Some advantages necessarily also come with their own disadvantage. I'd argue that white male isn't the strongest of those advantages. Being born into wealth, being born attractive, healthy and intelligent? Those are very strong predictors. They also travel across cultures and countries. Personality traits matter as well. It's far too complex to think such a large population as white males are set up for success. There's too much variance within that group in regards to various and vital traits, and too many strong-advantage traits required for reaching high success for that statement to hold weight over time. It's also very dismissive of female capability. Women have been making an impact even when they lacked many rights. They have mastered the social sphere over that same long history of human evolution, and considering that we are very social creatures, that is a strong tool to have.

So while many people may be white male, those white men are ultimately going to have to deal with being you, the individual rather than being the sum of two traits: white, male. The you is often going to find its difficult to make it in life. It's better to be born a Hilton sister than a Billy Bob.

But I just rattled off about the bs behind oppressor/oppressed views of the world.

The guys who think a woman can't possibly known about subject X are pompous asses. I imagine that view comes from sexism or at least lack of interaction with educated women. How common is that though? And why does that justify such a malicious term as mansplaining? Because you are trying to justify malicious intent through group identities and victimization.

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10268 on: January 17, 2018, 12:01:34 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-dont-you-want-kids.16918/

Not one shocking response to be found.

I am 35, I do not see this changing at this point. This weekend, I played Mario Odyssey from Saturday thru Monday. It was nice and chill. With a child, I would imagine I would have to feed them, take them to some sort of activity, etc.

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I, too, am 35 but — unlike you — I have small children (who I am keeping far away from Amir0x). Like you, we played Mario Odyssey this past weekend. I got the red side while the 2 year old got the blue side. His job was to make Mario jump and throw his hat when daddy says so. We played for a record setting 40 minutes before he realized he wanted to eat fish sticks in the bathtub.

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« Reply #10269 on: January 17, 2018, 12:04:27 AM »
Etiolate part of that hardcore intellectual dark web! Wax that shit breh.  :doge

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« Reply #10270 on: January 17, 2018, 12:19:18 AM »
"I believe it is a man thing" is not a good response.

Condescending, dismissive, etc. We have words for it.

We have the word late and the word tardy, so why do we have black people time?

These terms do something completely needless for bad reasons.

I mean...it is a man thing. The same way white people have a certain level of racial animus, men have a certain level of sexism. That's what happens when you live in a society built specifically for you.

The concept of "black people time" exists specifically because of white people stereotyping black people.

dude

You need to reexamine your assumptions.

There is a case for "it is a man" thing, but not in the way you're seeing it. Men are more likely to challenge authority, but that doesn't actually fall in line with the idea behind mansplaining. They are more risk taking, which may lead to them challenges others who society recognizes as experts. However, neither of those things fall in line with assumed authority, condescension and dismissive attitudes. A women with risk taking and disagreeableness would exhibit the same behavior. There certainly can be a legit "mansplaining", but its rare enough not to require the sexist phrasing and certainly not common enough to justify its frequency of use.


Also, society is not specifically built for any single person. I kind of need to know where you went wrong in order to address you on this any further. Perhaps I should ask why black time is stereotyping but mansplaining is not?

Aren't there fewer risk taking women historically due to how our society has been set up, specifically in relation to the roles we have established for men and women?

We don't know that is why. Across various species, similar gender patterns show up. It is also something in-grained from long ago, where we were a species still trying to make it day to day. If women were child rearing, then men had to go out to take risks in order to secure food, safety, health. Even though m/f distribution tends to come out even, a higher % of females reproduce than males. This creates reproductivity scarcity for one side that may lead to risk taking in order to pass on lineage. There's been various reasons for men to adopt risk taking as a trait. It is likely a nature+nurture outcome.

Only modernity gives us the space to question societal roles. Even in the countries that spend the most time and money to eliminate societal inequalities, the traditional gender roles come out, and some say they come out more strongly without societal tensions to test or limit biological factors.

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Of course society isn't built for any single person. Our society was specifically built to benefit white people, specifically white men.

To me there's a big difference between "black people time" and "mansplaining." One phrase is the creation of a dominant group to oppress another group ("black people are lazy/can't be trusted"). The other phrase is the creation of an oppressed group, describing one of the ways a dominant group antagonizes them. As I said earlier, I don't think a large percentage of "mansplaining" examples boil down to get guy trying to shit on women. The question I'd ask is...why do a lot of guys seem to think that women can't possibly know what they're talking about when it comes to [insert topic]? Where does that mentality come from? Is it something singular, ie "this is just an individual issue that we can't extrapolate anything else from," or is it...again...something that has to do with how our society is set up, how men view themselves and how men view women?

I find critical theory to be mostly ass and this sounds like critical theory. At least crit theory without critical thinking.

There is of course a long history of race in America, but oppressor/oppressed dynamics as justification and logic has a bad history. Things are also far too complex for that. If the country or world was set up for white men then you wouldn't have so many white men struggle. There's many born-in advantages and disadvantages in life. Some advantages necessarily also come with their own disadvantage. I'd argue that white male isn't the strongest of those advantages. Being born into wealth, being born attractive, healthy and intelligent? Those are very strong predictors. They also travel across cultures and countries. Personality traits matter as well. It's far too complex to think such a large population as white males are set up for success. There's too much variance within that group in regards to various and vital traits, and too many strong-advantage traits required for reaching high success for that statement to hold weight over time. It's also very dismissive of female capability. Women have been making an impact even when they lacked many rights. They have mastered the social sphere over that same long history of human evolution, and considering that we are very social creatures, that is a strong tool to have.

So while many people may be white male, those white men are ultimately going to have to deal with being you, the individual rather than being the sum of two traits: white, male. The you is often going to find its difficult to make it in life. It's better to be born a Hilton sister than a Billy Bob.

But I just rattled off about the bs behind oppressor/oppressed views of the world.

The guys who think a woman can't possibly known about subject X are pompous asses. I imagine that view comes from sexism or at least lack of interaction with educated women. How common is that though? And why does that justify such a malicious term as mansplaining? Because you are trying to justify malicious intent through group identities and victimization.

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« Reply #10271 on: January 17, 2018, 12:21:23 AM »
I was expecting that.

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« Reply #10272 on: January 17, 2018, 12:22:06 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/posts/3390397/

Massive Duck CM's big story about hearing white people say the n-word comes from the PSP era.  And thus he thinks most white people use it all the time.
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« Reply #10273 on: January 17, 2018, 12:25:04 AM »
Hey Huelen, you were not exactly wrong in not liking violence to resolve political clashes in that Resetera thread.
Yep. I am against violence and rioting, and honestly just can’t in any good consciousness endorse dogpiling or the mob mentality. Then again, just because I was not exactly wrong doesn’t mean I was exactly right either. Food for thought.

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« Reply #10274 on: January 17, 2018, 12:42:22 AM »
Hey Huelen, you were not exactly wrong in not liking violence to resolve political clashes in that Resetera thread.
Yep. I am against violence and rioting, and honestly just can’t in any good consciousness endorse dogpiling or the mob mentality. Then again, just because I was not exactly wrong doesn’t mean I was exactly right either. Food for thought.

Remember this gem from amirox

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/what-is-rioting-and-looting-accomplishing-anarchy-changes-nothing.1036873/

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One of the central arguments often pushed by news media, history classes and individuals viewing violent protests is that innocent people and businesses are getting hurt, and all it serves to do is to obfuscate any message they wish to convey to the general public. After all, nobody would argue that this is the result people want. This is fucked up stuff. I think it's sad, most people think it's sad.

Yet resetera totally agrees with it, like most things amirox says.  Ami later states that since violence works 25% of the time it means most of the time.
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« Reply #10275 on: January 17, 2018, 12:47:02 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/posts/3390397/

Massive Duck CM's big story about hearing white people say the n-word comes from the PSP era.  And thus he thinks most white people use it all the time.

A thread on racism turns into more racism. It's astonishing.

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« Reply #10276 on: January 17, 2018, 12:55:47 AM »
I forgot how good Brogulls was.  I just went through all the sexy parts. Big Bro Ayden has a dick like an Olde English 40.
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« Reply #10277 on: January 17, 2018, 01:31:47 AM »
someone please do explain to me what the fuck is a intersectional feminist ?


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« Reply #10278 on: January 17, 2018, 02:24:01 AM »

It’s feminism that also acknowledges the additional difficulties minority or queer women face beyond those faced by hetero-cis white women.

You can get a decent primer on the concept here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality

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Intersectionality proposes that all aspects of one's identity need to be examined as simultaneously interacting with each other and affecting one's privilege and perception in society, and that these facets of identity cannot simply be observed separately. As such, intersectionality is not simply a view of personal identity, but rather an overarching analysis of power hierarchies present within identities. The framework of intersectionality also provides an insight into how multiple systems of oppression interrelate and are interactive.[7] Intersectionality is not a static field; rather, it is dynamic and constantly developing as response to formations of complex social inequalities. Intersectionality can be seen as an "overarching knowledge project".[2] Within this overarching umbrella, there are multiple knowledge projects that evolve "in tandem with changes in the interpretive communities that advance them".[2]

I think I get it but I just wish it had a much clearer definition.  I wish the term were as easy to digest as homophobia, sexism, or aristocracy.   Instead intersectionatliy is more like math, history or film.  It is incredibly pervasive and present in everything to the point that unless you grew up with the concept you have to mold your mind to fit it in.

Right, other white men over 40?
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« Reply #10279 on: January 17, 2018, 02:37:45 AM »
Intersectional feminism is individuality minus the individual. It's sort of like my rundown of advantage/disadvantage if you took out all the science and honesty. You start comparing how different factors impact you in very cosmetic and shallow ways, such as "oh I'm a woman and I'm black", and you continue on those paths until you get to other token isms like ableism and such, until you start to bump against the science and complexities just to realize you're headed towards the suffering of the individual and bail ship because that observation ruins the whole scam.

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« Reply #10280 on: January 17, 2018, 02:52:57 AM »
If all of you would just invest as much time in normal people things, like sports and yum brand eatery vlogs, you'd be better off.

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« Reply #10281 on: January 17, 2018, 03:00:47 AM »
"I believe it is a man thing" is not a good response.

Condescending, dismissive, etc. We have words for it.

We have the word late and the word tardy, so why do we have black people time?

These terms do something completely needless for bad reasons.

I mean...it is a man thing. The same way white people have a certain level of racial animus, men have a certain level of sexism. That's what happens when you live in a society built specifically for you.

The concept of "black people time" exists specifically because of white people stereotyping black people.

dude

You need to reexamine your assumptions.

There is a case for "it is a man" thing, but not in the way you're seeing it. Men are more likely to challenge authority, but that doesn't actually fall in line with the idea behind mansplaining. They are more risk taking, which may lead to them challenges others who society recognizes as experts. However, neither of those things fall in line with assumed authority, condescension and dismissive attitudes. A women with risk taking and disagreeableness would exhibit the same behavior. There certainly can be a legit "mansplaining", but its rare enough not to require the sexist phrasing and certainly not common enough to justify its frequency of use.


Also, society is not specifically built for any single person. I kind of need to know where you went wrong in order to address you on this any further. Perhaps I should ask why black time is stereotyping but mansplaining is not?

Aren't there fewer risk taking women historically due to how our society has been set up, specifically in relation to the roles we have established for men and women?

Of course society isn't built for any single person. Our society was specifically built to benefit white people, specifically white men.

To me there's a big difference between "black people time" and "mansplaining." One phrase is the creation of a dominant group to oppress another group ("black people are lazy/can't be trusted"). The other phrase is the creation of an oppressed group, describing one of the ways a dominant group antagonizes them. As I said earlier, I don't think a large percentage of "mansplaining" examples boil down to guys trying to shit on women. The question I'd ask is...why do a lot of guys seem to think that women can't possibly know what they're talking about when it comes to [insert topic]? Where does that mentality come from? Is it something singular, ie "this is just an individual issue that we can't extrapolate anything else from," or is it...again...something that has to do with how our society is set up, how men view themselves and how men view women?

Most of the time I see the word mansplaining thrown around doesn't in reality have anything to do with the gender. And the person seeing mansplaining everywhere ends up coming across as "how dare a MAN explain something to a WOMAN." Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll answer your rhetorical question with my own. Why is it that some people think that every woman must know everything there is to know about every subject? If you swap the gender of the person who is doing the 'splaining, it becomes clear how silly the concept can come across.

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that is not to say that there aren't sexist men who condescendingly explain things to women that they don't understand because they are woman, but you insist that there can be mansplaining without any ill intent
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« Reply #10282 on: January 17, 2018, 03:12:23 AM »
If all of you would just invest as much time in normal people things, like sports and yum brand eatery vlogs, you'd be better off.
you sound like my dad

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daddy? is that you?
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« Reply #10283 on: January 17, 2018, 03:23:21 AM »
If all of you would just invest as much time in normal people things, like sports and yum brand eatery vlogs, you'd be better off.
you sound like my dad

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Yes, and you better fucking stop drinking all my soda, son! :maf

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« Reply #10284 on: January 17, 2018, 03:33:06 AM »
There certainly can be a legit "mansplaining", but its rare enough not to require the sexist phrasing and certainly not common enough to justify its frequency of use.
Says you.

Also, is this where I remind you of your dismissive "words only have power because you grant it to them" attitude?

Lionpride tries to pass of that he's totally black but then when someone calls him out on his horrible grammar and writing style he'll momentarily start writing without street slang  :doge

Too funny.
That's called code switching. If you have an appreciable regional accent, you're likely doing it too, for instance when you're talking to your parents on the phone, or go back home for an event. We all subtly (or not so subtly) adapt the way we speak depending on the audience, i.e. there's nothing 'weird' about it.
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« Reply #10285 on: January 17, 2018, 03:41:17 AM »
Since 2015, the term neoliberal has been used incorrectly well over 90% of the time.
i'd argue it's a borderline unnecessary term that exists purely because we had to go and fuck everything up definition wise

most people have never used neoconservative properly and that was a term that had a very simple definition and didn't apply to most of the W. Bush administration figures like Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc. for example, neoliberal has been treated the same way when it was arguably similarly specific about former communists who were adopting liberal economic policies

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even in modern American politics it's funny that "conservative" powers all have proposed at one time or another at least rhetorically what is hardly "conservative" and sometimes even "radical" changes to the status quo, and there's often instances where they aren't even "reactionary" or want to roll back things in terms of the American political status quo... the best example being W. Bush's Social Security proposal, that was not conservative, it was a radical restructuring of the almost 70 year old program and ignoring any debate at least rhetorically the only "conservative" part was it being positioned as reform to "save" the core goals of Social Security by overhauling it to work better for the 21st Century (Obama's "you can keep your plan and doctor" is a similar conservative framing of what was in fact extensive reform)

i think "conservative" has survived unlike everything else from becoming a strong epithet in American politics because American politics is inherently conservative by a traditional definition of the word, Republicans basically lucked into casting their often changing ideology as "conservatism" and then wearing the label proudly whereas Democrats run from labels within five years of adopting them, i mean they're already afraid of "progressive" again it seems like :lol
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Also keep an eye on this guy:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/blackrock-worlds-largest-investor-demands-companies-contribute-to-society-or-else.16779/#post-3360196
I've only seen him post that capitalism is about to collapse while I'm watching a Youtube video of Venezuelans hunting their own pets for food.
SG-17 has posted like that for years, on NeoGAF.com that would often be the only thing he'd post in a thread sometimes :lol

actually he has an account here iirc, and i think some of that GAF/ERA stuff is, while likely his opinion, intentionally framed as hardline as possible, only nobody challenges it anymore because GAF/ERA became all about the anti-capitalism in name only fad of the moment type rhetoric years ago to where you had both people who would ideologically drop the gloves for capitalism or socialism/communism realize its as serious to take as the rest of the places political debate

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« Reply #10286 on: January 17, 2018, 03:41:27 AM »
I'm not talking about the power of the word. I shat all over the word. We're debating the intent and validity of the word.

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10287 on: January 17, 2018, 03:44:57 AM »
I'm not talking about the power of the word. I shat all over the word. We're debating the intent and validity of the word.
You do think it is a malicious term and subsequently I can assume that you want to stop people from using it. See also the energy you're investing into the discussion, but that's secondary to the former.

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« Reply #10288 on: January 17, 2018, 03:45:55 AM »
I only skimmed this important debate but I'd suggest that "mansplaining" on ERA is just an appeal to the audience, because most posters aren't going to know your gender in order to actively do it, they're just being regular condescending to you, which you'd know if you knew things rather than making everyone tired by having to explain it to you yet again...sigh... can we just not

Once again I note, it's something they could have prevented by having a posters confirmed gender and race shown on every post as suggested in the early days.

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« Reply #10289 on: January 17, 2018, 03:51:39 AM »
I'm not talking about the power of the word. I shat all over the word. We're debating the intent and validity of the word.
You do think it is a malicious term and subsequently I can assume that you want to stop people from using it. See also the energy you're investing into the discussion, but that's secondary to the former.

This is energy spent on conversation that I enjoy since it leads towards discovery.

It is a malicious term and you can see that in how often it is misused or used very carelessly. I would not ever stop people from using it. I aim to show its nature and let people decide, with that information and understanding, how they wish to use it.  PD asked how its hateful, so I explained its assumptions, its faults, and its similarity to other terms that would be seen as heinous.

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« Reply #10290 on: January 17, 2018, 04:02:47 AM »
Can a man mansplain something to another man?

 :mindblown

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« Reply #10291 on: January 17, 2018, 04:03:30 AM »
They do it all the time.


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« Reply #10292 on: January 17, 2018, 04:09:20 AM »
This is energy spent on conversation that I enjoy since it leads towards discovery.

It is a malicious term and you can see that in how often it is misused or used very carelessly. I would not ever stop people from using it. I aim to show its nature and let people decide, with that information and understanding, how they wish to use it.  PD asked how its hateful, so I explained its assumptions, its faults, and its similarity to other terms that would be seen as heinous.
This recap doesn't disprove my assertion.

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« Reply #10293 on: January 17, 2018, 04:11:47 AM »
Your assertion was that i wanted people to stop using it. I said no, they can use it, but they better understand it.

So yes it disproves your assertion.

Stop replying to me with this weak shit Rufus.

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« Reply #10294 on: January 17, 2018, 04:12:11 AM »
Well, I'll be. I was anti capitalism before it became a fad!   :jeanluc
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« Reply #10295 on: January 17, 2018, 04:15:26 AM »
Guys, guys, remember what we learned from the enlightened ones at reset. If someone tells you something is offensive to them, you don't get to tell them that they're wrong! Unless they're white or male. So sit down etoilet.
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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10296 on: January 17, 2018, 04:15:36 AM »
Can a man mansplain something to another man?

 :mindblown
this question makes no sense, the other man would already know it due to being a man

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« Reply #10297 on: January 17, 2018, 04:23:33 AM »

Now you are being obvious in your Trolling.

Holy shit. Opinion you can't stomach != trolling. Stop Bobbying.
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« Reply #10298 on: January 17, 2018, 04:30:18 AM »
Well, I'll be. I was anti capitalism before it became a fad!   :jeanluc


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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10299 on: January 17, 2018, 04:31:06 AM »
Your assertion was that i wanted people to stop using it. I said no, they can use it, but they better understand it.

Did you just mansplain his own assertion

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« Reply #10300 on: January 17, 2018, 04:32:03 AM »
I damn well fucking did, sir.

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« Reply #10301 on: January 17, 2018, 04:32:06 AM »
someone please do explain to me what the fuck is a intersectional feminist ?

Essentially, it's when you're a feminist but have time to virtue signal for others.

you sound like my dad

When you see him next, pass on my congratulations for passing his cognitive test with flying colors and only being marginally overweight.

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« Reply #10302 on: January 17, 2018, 04:33:00 AM »
Your assertion was that i wanted people to stop using it. I said no, they can use it, but they better understand it.

Did you just mansplain his own assertion

Rufus is a chick?

Hey there lil lady, lemme 'splain to you how tractors work

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« Reply #10303 on: January 17, 2018, 04:34:45 AM »
Your assertion was that i wanted people to stop using it. I said no, they can use it, but they better understand it.

So yes it disproves your assertion.
You're allowed to change your mind. /shrug

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« Reply #10304 on: January 17, 2018, 04:42:09 AM »
actually he has an account here iirc, and i think some of that GAF/ERA stuff is, while likely his opinion, intentionally framed as hardline as possible, only nobody challenges it anymore because GAF/ERA became all about the anti-capitalism in name only fad of the moment type rhetoric years ago to where you had both people who would ideologically drop the gloves for capitalism or socialism/communism realize its as serious to take as the rest of the places political debate

I never understood how the same folk who were all about smashing the system in GAF OT were also the ones who masturbated over the steel book special edition video games thread. I'm guessing they probably looked a lot like this:


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« Reply #10305 on: January 17, 2018, 04:45:11 AM »
hey, I have a soviet arm and sickle shirt. but i have it mostly for novelty because it was a souvenier and I am actually russian, not as an ideological statement. and one time some dude at a bar tried to start an ideological debate with me over the shirt, and i stopped wearing it in public after that

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« Reply #10306 on: January 17, 2018, 04:47:03 AM »
I once almost bought a Lenin shirt from a local store that was selling it for $19 but my Ukranian friend's attitude toward Russia warned me that I should not employ such icons even if it was ironically.

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« Reply #10307 on: January 17, 2018, 04:47:37 AM »
hey, I have a soviet arm and sickle shirt. but i have it mostly for novelty because it was a souvenier and I am actually russian, not as an ideological statement. and one time some dude at a bar tried to start an ideological debate with me over the shirt, and i stopped wearing it in public after that
They should have just taken a picture of you to post on social media.

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« Reply #10308 on: January 17, 2018, 04:52:49 AM »
dont doxx bro

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« Reply #10309 on: January 17, 2018, 05:30:02 AM »
you'd have to be pretty messed up to use any kind of communist era imagery in a humorous or comedic manner



pretty pretty pretty messed up

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« Reply #10310 on: January 17, 2018, 05:47:58 AM »
I once almost bought a Lenin shirt from a local store that was selling it for $19 but my Ukranian friend's attitude toward Russia warned me that I should not employ such icons even if it was ironically.
What's their problem with the beatles?
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« Reply #10311 on: January 17, 2018, 05:49:29 AM »
Did anyone on Reeeee see anything about the Professor Jordan Peterson / Lobster stuff?

He stated last night that hierarchical organisation is 100% genetically hard-wired and has nothing to do with a capitalist patriarchy - going so far to say that it wasn't just a matter of opinion, but that the whole patriarchy thing is "patently absurd" and "seriously wrong".

I feel that if/when that thread shows up, it'll be a bastion of fair and even-handed moderation.
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« Reply #10312 on: January 17, 2018, 05:50:26 AM »
Imagine has the blood of dozens of millions on its verses.
Yoko Ono is a classic oriental despot.
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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10313 on: January 17, 2018, 06:08:22 AM »
Once again I note, it's something they could have prevented by having a posters confirmed gender and race shown on every post as suggested in the early days.
Not far enough, tbh. We'd also need total money (in USD, obviously) used to purchase Nintendo products in current fiscal year and total hours volunteered for the democratic party. It would help weed out those agitators arguing in bad faith in gaming and political threads.

 :putin

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« Reply #10314 on: January 17, 2018, 06:25:16 AM »
total hours volunteered for the democratic party.
This wouldn't work. People who worked for Bernie Sanders or Chelsea Manning's primary campaigns would technically be working for the Democratic Party, as would their financial donations to these campaigns be marked as Democratic. Yet these actions actually further the agenda of neo-Nazi's and gamergate killing minorities.

I think that ResetERA may need to consider starting its own PAC so that users won't be misled into accidentally supporting candidates who actually will enact an agenda from the wrong side of history or even worse a progressive agenda but in bad faith.

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10315 on: January 17, 2018, 06:34:50 AM »
I suppose mansplaining is supposed to be when you assume a woman is stupid or ignorant because she's a woman.

But what if you can just tell when someone is a distinguished mentally-challenged cunt, whatever their gender, and needs things explained to them because they are demonstrably stupid or ignorant? 

Well, I suppose if said distinguished mentally-challenged cunt is a woman, they can certainly confirm it at that point by calling being corrected for their stupidity "mansplaining."

Anyone using manspailing non ironically can just leave my social circle. Not that the concept is not real but it's used mainly by the same people who like to talk about science despite not having any actual knowledge of any field or theory.

Well, there's "social studies" but that crap is miles below psychology.

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« Reply #10316 on: January 17, 2018, 09:27:38 AM »
Amirox Update: http://www.poconorecord.com/news/20180114/coolbaugh-man-sentenced-in-child-porn-case

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“I’ve had a lot of time to think (about) what led me down this road,” Christopher Goldberg told a judge moments before being sentenced Thursday to one to two years in state prison for child pornography possession.

“I hope to take this experience and become a better member of society"

Even his fucking court statements sound like a GAF post.
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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10317 on: January 17, 2018, 10:33:36 AM »
Don't they shank you for child porn in prison? All I know about prison is a couple episodes of Oz and scared straight.

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« Reply #10318 on: January 17, 2018, 10:38:16 AM »
Don't they shank you for child porn in prison? All I know about prison is a couple episodes of Oz and scared straight.

The only reported thing is that his cellmate threw piss at him.

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« Reply #10319 on: January 17, 2018, 10:48:26 AM »
Don't they shank you for child porn in prison? All I know about prison is a couple episodes of Oz and scared straight.

Only if he actually goes to Prison-Prison. He was in county lock-up AFAIK. And he's apparently getting probation with no jail?