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[Rich!]

jesus fuck

I went from being hopeful of resetera in october to considering it's the fucking plague

burn it all down

[etiolate]

I was about to tell a really shameful story from my youth, but I thought better of it.

Was it "I used to mod on NeoGAF"?

[railGUN]

It's so sad. I was here in 2003 and the community was fun. The neoGAF of the 2010s was a fascist echochamber run by the self-proclaimed depressed and autistic. A complete mess. Like you said, you were miserable here in 2017.

When scAmir0x scammed the forum you believed him and then told everybody to back off when he said, 'IM SORRY IM GOING TO REHAB TOMORROW!". From that point on it was a banned topic of discussion. Now amir0x is in jail for child porn.

When Opiate was revealed to be a creepy pedophile the mods made sure to scrub the reveal and scrub all of his creepy posts. There were several times through the years where pro-pedo stuff was conveniently scrubbed to protect Besada's pedoGAF community. Questioning the creepy posts of pedophiles was an easy way to get banned.

Jordan Peterson is right about people like the old neoGAF mods. They can't even take care of themselves or their own lives so they get online, claim moral superiority, and lash out at everybody.

 

[D3RANG3D]

 

[HardcoreRetro]

The most offensive thing about Pitfall was most likely the traps.

[Nabbis]

The most offensive thing about Pitfall was most likely the traps.

I had a pretty gay time playing the game.

[paprikastaude]

When all you cared about was gaming side and you barely knew about any of that dumb af drama.    Except for amirox being an obnoxious goon who treated his trash opinions on games as gospel. Of course by the end the horrendous mod work was just as transparent on gaming side, even if you were a bystander.

[Joe Molotov]

The most offensive thing about Pitfall was most likely the traps.

I had a pretty gay time playing the game.

Traps aren't gay.

[Dennis]

After reading the developer response twitter thread, I'm agreeing with some of the criticism leveled against Waypoint for this article. They could and should have handled this better / with more nuance. But I still do not personally see the article as the accusation / attack some seem to see it as. I understand that the developer saw it as an accusation too, and I will not dispute the validity of those feelings, but at the same time I cannot dispute the validity or genuineness of the criticism leveled against that specific element of the game by Danielle.

In any case, looking into the game has made me pretty interested in playing it, so I'm getting it and playing it and will eventually see that part for myself and shape my own opinions on it.

https://twitter.com/waypoint/status/955591007004917762

Welp

What an absolute shitshow. Waypoint should be deeply ashamed at themselves.

[HardcoreRetro]

The most offensive thing about Pitfall was most likely the traps.

I had a pretty gay time playing the game.

Traps aren't gay.

You're right, most of em do sound like miserable people.

[FStop7]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/my-friend-unintentionally-became-a-poster-boy-for-white-privilege.18346/

Hansel the nutjob back at it 

[paprikastaude]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3665751/

I'm white, and shit like this bothers the hell out of me.

There's a difference in between going to Africa to do something to help those that are less fortunate, and to do it to have a collection of pictures on your instagram so you can lord it over your friends for the rest of your life.

Children who struggle every day for things you take for granted aren't props for you to feel better about yourself. They're human beings.

The concept of taking a photo together probably seems foreign if you've never been asked to be on a picture with someone before.

[Nintex]

Some truth bombs right here
https://www.resetera.com/threads/how-video-games-demonize-fat-people.18304/page-6#post-3661042

** BOOTING UP ERA SIMULATOR 1.0 **

Anytime we have this type of discussion regarding video games, it's only interesting to me *IF* the topic is different & exclusive within video games. But if the rest of the real-world is the same way, then I'm thinking to myself why is it even worth discussing?

Because everything must be discussed you Nazi! Democracy dies in Darkness. WE will not CAPITULATE on offensive remarks by bigots thank you very much.

1.) This topic of obese people. Obviously everyone should know that in the real-world, obese people are looked at the same way. So why is this topic interesting? It is NOT because only video game devs or players think this. If the whole real-world thinks the same, there is absolutely no surprise.

Just because Hitler gassed the jews in real life it does not mean we should gas them online, also that does not mean Israel (the terrorist state) can oppress the Palestinians.
If you think that's ok than you really need to have your head checked.

2.) Related, but a very common topic on these types of forums. Sex appeal of females. I mean there's really not much to add, except I don't understand the mindset of the ERA/GAF demographic who are so staunchly opposed to it. Where I'm from in the real-world, the majority of guys like to see attractive females dressed in revealing clothing. Not just video game people. I cannot relate whatsoever to guys against that.

EVERYONE with a lick of SENSE should be opposed to Sexism in all its forms. You're debating in bad faith. Use your brain for once.

One quick example -- Why do you think there is always major hoopla amongst guys for the annual Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Magazine? The answer is not because guys are fucking shopping for bikinis.

ALL Men are violent pervert Nazi's yes but that does not mean they get to dictate the awards. It just shows the white straight male supremacy of our society.

3.) Work Hours -- the only thing I need to say is by asking yall a question:

If you had a job. most of us can't have a job because we are MINOIRITIES. No one wants to hire us for bullshit reasons.

Do any of you have friends who are doctors/residents, lawyers, investment bankers, etc etc?? The point should be clear and self-explanatory.

No, hell no. We're not all white privileged with rich friends like you are. Where I came from I had no friends, well I had one trans friend who got murdered after the election by a bigot.
Doctors and Residents? The closest thing we have to a job in my community is prostitution and no way I'm doing that. Watching Netflix for those who can afford it is the only thing we have.
We barely can put food on the table. Not everyone is a white privileged doctor.

** CLOSING ERA SIMULATOR **

[Optimus]

Lol at Evilore doing a PR job on himself. Every one of the old gaf mods I talked to about him said he was capricious, immature, and overall insufferable.

You can accuse Evilore for a lot of stuff but not this. He has been saying the exact same things for 2-3 years now, it was obvious that he knew the nutjobs had taken over and made the forum a shithole and that he was miserable about the state of the forum.  The main problem is that he didn't have the will or balls to do anything about it until the decision was made for him.

Btw neogaf is slow now but goddamn, it's fucking enjoyable to read nowadays. As I predicted a few months ago after the authoritarian lunatics abandoned ship discussion started flourishing again. Resetera is also the complete dumpster fire I expected it to be, so much that I don't give a fuck about it to even bother reading it. Thank fucking God for the last one.

[Assimilate]

Lol at Evilore doing a PR job on himself. Every one of the old gaf mods I talked to about him said he was capricious, immature, and overall insufferable.

You can accuse Evilore for a lot of stuff but not this. He has been saying the exact same things for 2-3 years now, it was obvious that he knew the nutjobs had taken over and made the forum a shithole and that he was miserable about the state of the forum.  The main problem is that he didn't have the will or balls to do anything about it until the decision was made for him.

Btw neogaf is slow now but goddamn, it's fucking enjoyable to read nowadays. As I predicted a few months ago after the authoritarian lunatics abandoned ship discussion started flourishing again. Resetera is also the complete dumpster fire I expected it to be, so much that I don't give a fuck about it to even bother reading it. Thank fucking God for the last one.

 As we can now see it wasn't the elfs fault influence that led to it being a horrific place, just look at RESET. A lot of people here during the fall thought reset without evillore would be a wonderful fucking place, i thought that assertion was fucking madness....

Does GAF make a glorious return?
 

[Uncle]

Btw neogaf is slow now but goddamn, it's fucking enjoyable to read nowadays.

please link to an enjoyable thread

[Sai]

Lol at Evilore doing a PR job on himself. Every one of the old gaf mods I talked to about him said he was capricious, immature, and overall insufferable.

You can accuse Evilore for a lot of stuff but not this. He has been saying the exact same things for 2-3 years now, it was obvious that he knew the nutjobs had taken over and made the forum a shithole and that he was miserable about the state of the forum.  The main problem is that he didn't have the will or balls to do anything about it until the decision was made for him.

Btw neogaf is slow now but goddamn, it's fucking enjoyable to read nowadays. As I predicted a few months ago after the authoritarian lunatics abandoned ship discussion started flourishing again. Resetera is also the complete dumpster fire I expected it to be, so much that I don't give a fuck about it to even bother reading it. Thank fucking God for the last one.

lol

[Optimus]

Lol at Evilore doing a PR job on himself. Every one of the old gaf mods I talked to about him said he was capricious, immature, and overall insufferable.

You can accuse Evilore for a lot of stuff but not this. He has been saying the exact same things for 2-3 years now, it was obvious that he knew the nutjobs had taken over and made the forum a shithole and that he was miserable about the state of the forum.  The main problem is that he didn't have the will or balls to do anything about it until the decision was made for him.

Btw neogaf is slow now but goddamn, it's fucking enjoyable to read nowadays. As I predicted a few months ago after the authoritarian lunatics abandoned ship discussion started flourishing again. Resetera is also the complete dumpster fire I expected it to be, so much that I don't give a fuck about it to even bother reading it. Thank fucking God for the last one.

 As we can now see it wasn't the elfs fault influence that led to it being a horrific place, just look at RESET. A lot of people here during the fall thought reset without evillore would be a wonderful fucking place, i thought that assertion was fucking madness....

Does GAF make a glorious return?
 

These people had zero critical thinking. Evilore was kind of being a dick since the beginning of neogaf, only when Steve Youngblood, Cyan and the other lunatics started taking over around 2012 the mood completely changed. I have no fucking idea how they expected Resetera to be any different with the same toxic groups taking over from the beginning, it was probably cognitive dissonance because they don't want to believe that it's their identity politics bullshit the problem here.

[thisismyusername]

Also, now it’s 2 straight days of ddos attacks?

You know that's total bullshit becasue the site was still up, just not showing anything because he took the board down.

[Optimus]

Yes, EviLore didn't want people banned for not "believing women";  instead he came in and banned people for questioning him, while calling people names and posting cool-guy moderator memes.  Then after calling people names he'd make a post demanding people be civil, then ban or delete anyone who pointed out he'd just called people names.

How does him not being as much of an Social Studies Warrior as his moderator team ended up being somehow excuse him from accusations of being "capricious, immature, and overall insufferable."  That's a really kind way to describe his behavior IMO.

Like I said, he did that long before the forum started going downhill and even though it was unfair and annoying his antics weren't frequent and didn't influence the mood of the forum. What happened was solely because of the identity politics loons. And excuse me for not taking seriously the complains of these obnoxious fucks about Evilore or anyone, I refuse to believe anything they say, literally anything.

[Joe Molotov]

Also, now it’s 2 straight days of ddos attacks?

You know that's total bullshit becasue the site was still up, just not showing anything because he took the board down.

Distributed Denial of Shower

[Boredfrom]

Lol at Evilore doing a PR job on himself. Every one of the old gaf mods I talked to about him said he was capricious, immature, and overall insufferable.

You can accuse Evilore for a lot of stuff but not this. He has been saying the exact same things for 2-3 years now, it was obvious that he knew the nutjobs had taken over and made the forum a shithole and that he was miserable about the state of the forum.  The main problem is that he didn't have the will or balls to do anything about it until the decision was made for him.

Btw neogaf is slow now but goddamn, it's fucking enjoyable to read nowadays. As I predicted a few months ago after the authoritarian lunatics abandoned ship discussion started flourishing again. Resetera is also the complete dumpster fire I expected it to be, so much that I don't give a fuck about it to even bother reading it. Thank fucking God for the last one.

The fact that he realized that the forum was driven by tribialism doesn’t mean he was not a capricious lazy petty asshole that did nothing about.

[Assimilate]

Yes, EviLore didn't want people banned for not "believing women";  instead he came in and banned people for questioning him, while calling people names and posting cool-guy moderator memes.  Then after calling people names he'd make a post demanding people be civil, then ban or delete anyone who pointed out he'd just called people names.

How does him not being as much of an Social Studies Warrior as his moderator team ended up being somehow excuse him from accusations of being "capricious, immature, and overall insufferable."  That's a really kind way to describe his behavior IMO.

Did that shape the forum though? I frequented neogaf in/around 2006-2008 and it was way different when i came back around 2013. There was a huge difference and it was far worse than just evillore being a young 20 something douchebag.

Reset is far worse than gaf pre-election.

[etiolate]

When people called out the tribalism they got called evil nazi gamergaters and Evilore himself took part in that blameshift, especially when he was covering up his past exploits, mod abuse, and Amirox.

He's having his little moment here because he's a narcissist that lost his adoring swarm of forum goers. He wants to cultivate whatever he has left. He wants to be imaginary-world-important again.

[Boredfrom]

Yes, EviLore didn't want people banned for not "believing women";  instead he came in and banned people for questioning him, while calling people names and posting cool-guy moderator memes.  Then after calling people names he'd make a post demanding people be civil, then ban or delete anyone who pointed out he'd just called people names.

How does him not being as much of an Social Studies Warrior as his moderator team ended up being somehow excuse him from accusations of being "capricious, immature, and overall insufferable."  That's a really kind way to describe his behavior IMO.

Like I said, he did that long before the forum started going downhill and even though it was unfair and annoying his antics weren't frequent and didn't influence the mood of the forum. What happened was solely because of the identity politics loons. And excuse me for not taking seriously the complains of these obnoxious fucks about Evilore or anyone, I refuse to believe anything they say, literally anything.

He doxxed people when the Zoe Quinn/GG war started.

[Optimus]

Like I said, he did that long before the forum started going downhill

He also did it in the weeks before the forum was killed by showergate.   No need to "believe" anyone, he publicly displayed that behavior just about any time he showed up.  Which yeah, became less and less..so no, it wasn't very often near the end.  That just shows you how little effort he put into the place though.  He appointed those mods, made the rules, let them stay as mods, and even promoted many of them to admin.. so I don't see how you'd absolve him of blame.  He had full 100% control of the place the entire time and could have done anything he wanted, he didn't.

I didn't absolve him of blame, his inaction is what caused the clusterfuck since the forum was on autopilot for years as far as he was concerned. But his actual actions and even his personality didn't cause all this, his behavior was always inconsequential to the actual forum no matter how childish it was sometimes.  What truly fucked up the place was the mod clique. As for mass banning the insane mob that wanted to have their latest witchhunt I don't blame him and I can't stress this enough: No matter what he said or did the lunatics would have found him guilty like they do with all accused men.

[FStop7]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/waypoint-how-the-red-strings-club-sabotages-its-hopeful-cyberpunk-vision.18193/

Waypoint's some hot garbage, huh?  This is the second or third time they've shit the bed in an attempt to make some kind of a "gotcha" call out.  And yet when Vice got called out for all of the harassment that happens in their offices Waypoint stuck their heads in the sand for weeks. 

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

It's so sad. I was here in 2003 and the community was fun.

 

MODERATOR EDIT
Much of what you claim in your post, which has now been removed, just isn't accurate. Even if it was true, you do not use a recognised developmental disorder such as autism to demean people that you don't agree with or like.

[VomKriege]

Lore was a personality and I guess you can think it added some flavor to GAF, especially before it became a dusty "institution". It was rawer than ResetEra marketing-compliant mandatory happy faces. Not that THUG1 was deaf to the sirens of being an industry insider but he could never rein in his ego (E3 HANDSHAKE SNUB  )
Shame the personality was terrible. Still, very much a human (with many, many flaws).

Yeah it's true that every so often he would visit the commoners and sounded more level headed but it never was really implemented as moderation policy either... while he was always swift for petty bans against those who spoke against him.

[Himu]

My original intent was just to be running the site as I would a social space in real life. Most of us can get along with people of whatever sex, whatever orientation, whatever ethnicity, and whatever politics without going off the rails, so why can't it be like that on the internet too? I'm a pretty laid back person who can get along with nearly anyone and who wants to engage with diverse viewpoints.

Regarding trans issues, I recognized that trans people have it really hard in society and I paid extra attention to attempting to shape an environment where they could be comfortable being themselves, since those environments are few and far between. I was happy to see a trans-gaf subcommunity form over time and the community trend toward better understanding of trans issues such that they'd be far more respectful by default than you'd typically see.

That being said, my own views on how an internet forum should be run trend toward not giving a damn what anyone claims to be in terms of identity, just the content of what they have to say and the evidence supporting it. I'm not anonymous, and some other people here aren't, but most personas are formed freely on the internet and when you can become a "protected class" and wield power by announcing that you're a person of color or a woman or trans or whatever it may be, that's going to be taken advantage of on a platform like this. And it was. I never wanted that outcome. I just wanted everyone to be able to come on here and not deal with what I felt was a massive dissonance between how we typically engage with each other on the internet vs how we do IRL.

What the OP describes wasn't really specific to the trans community here. Every identity of person seemed to trend toward hostile tribalism over time, a huge rift formed between community and moderation, individual mods had their own agendas they were furthering, and I failed to course correct it all. Eventually nothing was "progressive enough" and I became the enemy to a subset of the trans community here as well as a subset of every minority community here. I took that all in and tried to navigate it, tried to understand people's positions, but nothing was good enough and a ton of people lashed out at me any time I said anything eventually.

Honestly, I was completely miserable every moment I was on GAF in 2017. I tried to turn things around, but I was dealing with rough personal issues all year and was only just starting to pull myself out of that when I got #metooed (falsely) out of nowhere. It was overwhelming and scary. It got mainstream media attention. The community had become a powderkeg of polarized, authoritarian left hostility that seemed to revel in setting this place on fire from within and throw me onto a pyre the moment they found out about that BS allegation, and almost all the mods immediately bailed, we got DDoSed for like two straight days, and by the time we were back up we barely had any mod coverage and I was deeply hurt by what the community was saying about me and could barely engage with it. Then I had to step back and take care of important personal concerns, so it took some time to figure out where to take the site from there.

Anyway, don't blame the trans community here. Blame me. Everything that happened, at least, eventually became an opportunity to actually course correct this place like I couldn't when it was at its peak, so that we'd be able to actually talk about things again, and use this place for escapism from the shitty real world, too, rather than some insane asylum where you're driven out for "normalizing!!11" if you don't hate everything and want to die.

I think @Rocket Number 22 sets a great example by being willing to talk about her identity and demanding a baseline of respect we all should have for each other, but not constantly relying on "as a trans woman....." at the start of each sentence in an argument. We all have an identity, we all have our struggles, we can all respect each other. Let's do it without creating a swirling miasma of bitter hostility in a game of oppression olympics where there's one correct thing to say and we all hate each other for the privileges we see on the other side of the screen. And let's be cool with our trans gaffers too.

Thanks.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-did-gaf-have-such-a-militant-trans-community-before.1460684/#post-253165809

The GAF/Era trans community is like that because they tend to fall towards a certain type of tumblr-esque trans identity where any criticism/confusion aimed at the trans community at large is transphobic. They are extreme because, frankly, they've been - in some ways - pushed to be. A lot of them are also young which makes things even worse and almost every cheeseburger has a sort of S.J.W. phase because a queer agenda is becoming more and more entrenched. The cis allies want to help us out/show support so they defend us to which it then it bolsters an organism of its own because the cis ally doesn't want to be called out as transphobic. I'm glad that the OP recognizes that the entire trans community isn't like that, but it does represent a large slice that is online and open about it these days. Not all, but certainly a portion. It is what it is. Note that most of the trans people at Era seem to be queer friendly. Queers tend to be the militant part of LGBT. Also, as an aside, most of the Gaf/Era trans people are white and this is a shot in the dark, but my observation is that white trans people tend to be more extra with the trans thing. Often what happens is that, as a cheeseburger, they are discriminated against for the first time in their lives in a real, legitimate way. So they get woke (tm) and make it the focal point of their identity. Meanwhile, the trans people of color mostly consider it just another thang because they're used to discrimination. That's not to say the trans people of color tend to not need support or whatever, but a lot of times the grievances of white trans people is kinda worthy and can usually be summarized with,"welcome to being a minority."

[Nintex]

Waypoint is trash.

No one would blink an eye to the drivel they post if it wasn't so 'inclusive'.
It kinda makes me sad that this is what journalism has become.

I also blame The Outline for this. Same shit, different brand.

[Bore Expert]

Cookie Monster is asking for everyone to block certain SW Twitter accounts because they’re “disgusting, predatory frauds”.

 

[Himu]

Cookie Monster is asking for everyone to block certain SW Twitter accounts because they’re “disgusting, predatory frauds”.

 

Deets so we can laugh at Bobby's World.

[VomKriege]

Cookie Monster is asking for everyone to block certain SW Twitter accounts because they’re “disgusting, predatory frauds”.

 

The addiction, it's too strong.

[thisismyusername]

Also, now it’s 2 straight days of ddos attacks?

You know that's total bullshit becasue the site was still up, just not showing anything because he took the board down.

Distributed Denial of Shower

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Nobody here will get this reference.

[close]

[kingv]

The most offensive thing about Pitfall was most likely the traps.

I had a pretty gay time playing the game.

Traps aren't gay.

I feel like if you go home with a trap, and get some butthole, the only proper thing to say is “thanks for the pussy. It was splendid.” While leaving a gift card on their kitchen table.

[Jansen]

https://netrunnerdb.com/en/card/08103

[etiolate]

Cookie Monster and Scullibrundo should do a Men on Film reboot.

[Optimus]

I didn't absolve him of blame
.
. I don't blame him

You.. just did.. you also absolved him of blame when you keep saying it's "solely" because of other people.

The reason those people ran amok on NeoGaf is because the forum moderation led to that culture being curated;  a forum moderated by people EviLore chose, allowed to continue to moderate, and often times even promoted to admin.

It's partly his fault that his own forum freaked out on him because he allowed the culture to stew for so long.  He's also a complete fucking asshole and many people were aware of that, so nobody was going to go to bat for him.  I'm the last person to think NeoGAF deserved to die over shower-gate, but I'd also be the last person to go to bat for EviLore because he's an arrogant prick.  It all circles back to him, since he ran the place.

A+ job on that out of context quoting.

[clothedmacuser]

You’re projecting your niche experiences to silence queer women as a whole. It’s not a good look. This happens a lot in my marginalized identities too.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3668378/

wow, banned?

Edit: woah, for that post even.

SweetNicole is gonna freak

[Boredfrom]

I didn't absolve him of blame
.
. I don't blame him

You.. just did.. you also absolved him of blame when you keep saying it's "solely" because of other people.

The reason those people ran amok on NeoGaf is because the forum moderation led to that culture being curated;  a forum moderated by people EviLore chose, allowed to continue to moderate, and often times even promoted to admin.

It's partly his fault that his own forum freaked out on him because he allowed the culture to stew for so long.  He's also a complete fucking asshole and many people were aware of that, so nobody was going to go to bat for him.  I'm the last person to think NeoGAF deserved to die over shower-gate, but I'd also be the last person to go to bat for EviLore because he's an arrogant prick.  It all circles back to him, since he ran the place.

A+ job on that out of context quoting.

Come on, you are genuinely defending him by saying “the mods would have turn on him” when he encouraged it and even acted offended if someone pointed it out.

Is fine that you like current Gaf, but there is no need to shill for the man.

[railGUN]

I could barely look at it at the time. All the threads in pink were deleted by the mods to try to keep the peace while I tried to write some kind of official statement, but everything kept getting worse and worse. I basically hadn't slept for three days at that point because I found out about the facebook allegation two days prior and since she deleted it the next day and it hadn't become a thing I didn't know if I'd have to address it publicly or not. Then I guess some Social Justice gaffers got together on Twitter and coordinated posting screenshots of the already deleted allegation all over the site the day after that, everything went wild as per the screenshot above, we were then getting DDoSed and the site was down more than it was up, mods started having panic attacks and resigning and then the site was pretty much completely down from the DDoSing and I had rewritten my statement like a dozen times over at that point and had nothing left in me. I basically shifted over to saying goodbyes to everyone who was quitting since some of those folks I had been running gaf with for almost two decades. Gromph was trying to get the site back up but I told him to get some sleep since everything seemed fucked anyway, and I spent the night emailing Patrick Klepek with comment about the story (while still not having slept yet I don't think...) since I figured he would be a more neutral and well-researched avenue than Kotaku, who asked me absolutely ridiculous leading questions.

When Gromph woke up he managed to take the site down officially for maintenance through the DDoSes, and I tried to regroup the remaining few people to figure out what to do when we turned things back on, but there was barely anyone left and off-topic was where most of the rioting had taken place, so that's why off-topic was closed temporarily. Some insane social justice people were trying to get anyone who hadn't disavowed NeoGAF fired from their jobs (unsuccessfully, since that's ridiculous, but it still created more panic internally). I told everyone from the start of the panic that morning to protect themselves first and foremost and that I didn't blame them if they felt they needed to leave. Almost everyone ended up leaving. When we came back online we didn't have enough mod coverage to possibly deal with all the Reset promotional spam so we just kind of let it run its course, figure out what to do, I lawyered up and started documenting evidence with my lawyers that discredited the allegation completely, but very quickly the narrative moved on to how it "wasn't about the allegation" anymore.

I had to take care of family medical emergencies shortly thereafter and I was pretty shaken by everything and didn't want to bring any volunteer mods into such a shitstorm where people were trying to fuck with anyone still involved with the site, so even though tons of people offered to help mod via PM I turned them down, asked them to sit tight and just give things some time, and hired some contractors to take care of things on the moderation end until everything settled down enough where I felt it was okay to bring a new team of mods in. I mean, when the contractors were helping, things were still really bad with hundreds of account suicides with porn spam and Reset promotion. We got Cloudflare up ASAP though and so the subsequent DDoS attempts were unsuccessful at least.

It was messy. I fucked up plenty during the whole thing and didn't communicate with everyone here enough except through some PMs, because I was really sad about how the community seemed to turn on me so awfully, and then the media circus that followed was just astounding in scope and I wanted nothing to do with that either and told all my friends and business associates to distance themselves until things cooled off. I probably should have protected myself more instead of just letting it all hit me, but it seemed like the public narrative had been set in stone instantly anyway.

 

[kingv]

You’re projecting your niche experiences to silence queer women as a whole. It’s not a good look. This happens a lot in my marginalized identities too.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3668378/

wow, banned?

Edit: woah, for that post even.

SweetNicole is gonna freak

But she is white, and looks like she’s probably going to start taking dick and announce she’s Bi after college.

Well, I guess that’s the woman who wasn’t banned... actually.

[clothedmacuser]

Given that this thread does not appear to have been made in good faith and the discussion here has not been productive, this thread is now locked.


https://www.resetera.com/posts/3678298/

Oh shit, the OP's time is done.

[Optimus]

I didn't absolve him of blame
.
. I don't blame him

You.. just did.. you also absolved him of blame when you keep saying it's "solely" because of other people.

The reason those people ran amok on NeoGaf is because the forum moderation led to that culture being curated;  a forum moderated by people EviLore chose, allowed to continue to moderate, and often times even promoted to admin.

It's partly his fault that his own forum freaked out on him because he allowed the culture to stew for so long.  He's also a complete fucking asshole and many people were aware of that, so nobody was going to go to bat for him.  I'm the last person to think NeoGAF deserved to die over shower-gate, but I'd also be the last person to go to bat for EviLore because he's an arrogant prick.  It all circles back to him, since he ran the place.

A+ job on that out of context quoting.

Come on, you are genuinely defending him by saying “the mods would have turn on him” when he encouraged it and even acted offended if someone pointed it out.

Is fine that you like current Gaf, but there is no need to shill for the man.

I'm genuinely defending him on that instance not the way he handled GAF all these years. It is a known fact that SJ Ws will judge and find guilty any man accused no matter how ridiculous the "evidence" is. They consider guilty men that have been slandered by completely anonymous accounts, Evilore not accepting to be witch-hunted in his own forum was the best decision he made the last 5 years.

[Leadbelly]

It's hard to say what Evilore wanted or expected. I'm not sure even he knew what he really wanted. I read that at one point he wanted to make the forum friendlier to feminists. He specifically made Mumei a mod for that reason he said. Now it seems to me if you are actively trying to create an environment to make it more attractive to someone more ideologically minded, that inevitably is going to change the mood. That seemed like a big mistake to me. Not that there aren't reasonable feminists out there, just that the result is only going to go in one direction. You are favouring a particular ideological perspective. What he really should have focused on was encouraging an environment that was attractive to everyone.

What I suspect, although don't know, is he allowed the mods to continue to cultivate that environment but didn't like the outcome. He realised how toxic it had become. I think he did make an attempt to correct for it by removing Bishop. The things is though, despite making a lengthy post outlining what he believed had gone wrong and didn't like about the forum, nothing really changed. He lost control.

[VomKriege]

It was messy. I fucked up plenty during the whole thing and didn't communicate with everyone here enough except through some PMs, because I was really sad about how the community seemed to turn on me so awfully, and then the media circus that followed was just astounding in scope and I wanted nothing to do with that either and told all my friends and business associates to distance themselves until things cooled off. I probably should have protected myself more instead of just letting it all hit me, but it seemed like the public narrative had been set in stone instantly anyway.

 

Very messy. Unfair media narrative turning the people on me.

[Boredfrom]

I didn't absolve him of blame
.
. I don't blame him

You.. just did.. you also absolved him of blame when you keep saying it's "solely" because of other people.

The reason those people ran amok on NeoGaf is because the forum moderation led to that culture being curated;  a forum moderated by people EviLore chose, allowed to continue to moderate, and often times even promoted to admin.

It's partly his fault that his own forum freaked out on him because he allowed the culture to stew for so long.  He's also a complete fucking asshole and many people were aware of that, so nobody was going to go to bat for him.  I'm the last person to think NeoGAF deserved to die over shower-gate, but I'd also be the last person to go to bat for EviLore because he's an arrogant prick.  It all circles back to him, since he ran the place.

A+ job on that out of context quoting.

Come on, you are genuinely defending him by saying “the mods would have turn on him” when he encouraged it and even acted offended if someone pointed it out.

Is fine that you like current Gaf, but there is no need to shill for the man.

I'm genuinely defending him on that instance not the way he handled GAF all these years. It is a known fact that SJ Ws will judge and find guilty any man accused no matter how ridiculous the "evidence" is. They consider guilty men that have been slandered by completely anonymous accounts, Evilore not accepting to be witch-hunted in his own forum was the best decision he made the last 5 years.

And everyone is saying that he also allowed the witch hunt to happen and he expressing moments lucidity that thing went to far doesn’t absolve him of not caring enough to change HIS forum.

He was a enabler of this shit and acussed others of being “witches” when it was convenient to him

[Optimus]

And everyone is saying that he also allowed the witch hunt to happen and he expressing moments lucidity that thing went to far doesn’t absolve him of not caring enough to change HIS forum.

He was a enabler of this shit and acussed others of being “witches” when it was convenient to him

Which is what I said in my first post. His inaction caused this but there's a difference between blaming it on his inaction and blaming his actions for the state of the forum. His childish behavior didn't cause this, his antics every time someone calls him out didn't cause this, it was his mods and the fact that he allowed them to ruin the forum. He's responsible but more indirectly than it's described itt.

[james]

I signed up for Reseti

It was a mistake

Forgive me Benji.

[Optimus]

I signed up for Reseti

It was a mistake

Forgive me Benji.

Benji doesn't forgive.

[Atramental]

You’re projecting your niche experiences to silence queer women as a whole. It’s not a good look. This happens a lot in my marginalized identities too.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3668378/

wow, banned?

Edit: woah, for that post even.

SweetNicole is gonna freak

The left eating itself yet again. 

[EightBitNate]

I signed up for Reseti

It was a mistake

Forgive me Benji.

Honestly it’s not bad. Look at how I’m doing.

[Mr. Nobody]

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[shosta]

I love Sabrina. She admittedly starts trouble in threads or cause derails for fun. She was permabanned from GAF for it and then changed her username on era for a reputation reset. One of my favorite personalities there. The fact that she got someone banned again delights me.

Debauchery 

[Mr. Nobody]

So let's reflect, you people made Bore accounts in a fit of rage after being banned due to Evilore's terrible regime, and now that Gaf's on it's deathbed, he's "not that bad after all?"

 

[Let's Cyber]

I love Sabrina. She admittedly starts trouble in threads or cause derails for fun. She was permabanned from GAF for it and then changed her username on era for a reputation reset. One of my favorite personalities there. The fact that she got someone banned again delights me.

Debauchery 

Pashmilla?

[agrajag]

I just better not see any Besada apologists up in here 

[Transhuman]

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[james]

One of the biggest problems with resseti is that the first reply to the fat people thread wasn't this