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[Coax]

[Optimus]

I’ve yet to see any evidence of this claim being remotely true even though I have seen it repeated by right-wingers repeatedly. Gen-Z is 2000-2018, so this is the year they’ll come of voting age. The older ones seem fully onboard with the social justice agenda and the younger ones are still too early to tell.

I've seen even more pessimistic studies but this is what I could find from a quick google search:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleystahl/2017/08/11/why-democrats-should-be-losing-sleep-over-generation-z/#41d45087878c

According to research, Gen Z is more individualistic, more conservative both socially and fiscally, and they’re already making waves of impact on our political system. Gen Z, those born in 1995 or later, is possibly the most conservative generation since World War II, and it is worrying that their impact has been completely overlooked during this election. While our fears might be preemptive, we should not make the mistake of disregarding the intriguing yet also possibly worrying world views of Generation Z.

Oftentimes Millennials have been criticized for being notoriously liberal, but it looks like the generation right behind us has completely rebelled. A U.K. Study at The Gild did a survey of almost 2,000 adults and found that on issues like gay marriage, marijuana legalization, transgender rights, and even tattoos, 59% of Gen Z respondents described their views as ‘conservative’ and ‘moderate’.

This is a radical change from 83% Millennials and 85% of Gen X who state that their views are ‘quite’ or ‘very liberal’ on those same issues. What’s worrying is that given their more conservative leanings, Gen Z was not taken into account during this election, even though for many of them it was their first. Younger generations are famous for being liberal, therefore we mistakenly assumed that Gen Z would vote Democratic. But studies show that Gen Z’s views closely resemble those of Libertarian or Moderate Republicans, and that they related with Donald Trump on issues like national security and job creation.

Notice the ginormous shift between millennials and genz and then take into account that usually people when they grow up they tend to become more cynical and conservative. So you guys keep joking and keep dismissing the obvious trends, I'm sure everything will be fine.

[Jansen]

I’ve yet to see any evidence of this claim being remotely true even though I have seen it repeated by right-wingers repeatedly. Gen-Z is 2000-2018, so this is the year they’ll come of voting age. The older ones seem fully onboard with the social justice agenda and the younger ones are still too early to tell.

I've seen even more pessimistic studies but this is what I could find from a quick google search:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleystahl/2017/08/11/why-democrats-should-be-losing-sleep-over-generation-z/#41d45087878c

According to research, Gen Z is more individualistic, more conservative both socially and fiscally, and they’re already making waves of impact on our political system. Gen Z, those born in 1995 or later, is possibly the most conservative generation since World War II, and it is worrying that their impact has been completely overlooked during this election. While our fears might be preemptive, we should not make the mistake of disregarding the intriguing yet also possibly worrying world views of Generation Z.

Oftentimes Millennials have been criticized for being notoriously liberal, but it looks like the generation right behind us has completely rebelled. A U.K. Study at The Gild did a survey of almost 2,000 adults and found that on issues like gay marriage, marijuana legalization, transgender rights, and even tattoos, 59% of Gen Z respondents described their views as ‘conservative’ and ‘moderate’.
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This is a radical change from 83% Millennials and 85% of Gen X who state that their views are ‘quite’ or ‘very liberal’ on those same issues. What’s worrying is that given their more conservative leanings, Gen Z was not taken into account during this election, even though for many of them it was their first. Younger generations are famous for being liberal, therefore we mistakenly assumed that Gen Z would vote Democratic. But studies show that Gen Z’s views closely resemble those of Libertarian or Moderate Republicans, and that they related with Donald Trump on issues like national security and job creation.

Notice the ginormous shift between millennials and genz and then take into account that usually people when they grow up they tend to become more cynical and conservative. So keep joking people and keep dismissing the obvious trends, I'm sure everything will be fine.

[Optimus]

Yeap, exactly.

[seagrams hotsauce]

So what I get from the last couple pages is 4chan is now filled with a bunch of shitty Weird Al wannabes? And that sloptimus is still so fucking dumb that he's just quoting random blogs cuz they have the Forbes url

[Optimus]

So what I get from the last couple pages is 4chan is now filled with a bunch of shitty Weird Al wannabes? And that sloptimus is still so fucking dumb that he's just quoting random blogs cuz they have the Forbes url

The article is quoting actual studies you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

[Rufus]

So what I get from the last couple pages is 4chan is now filled with a bunch of shitty Weird Al wannabes? And that sloptimus is still so fucking dumb that he's just quoting random blogs cuz they have the Forbes url

The article is quoting actual studies you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

The Gild is a marketing firm, you absolute cretin.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Which you clearly didn't read, unless you think a marketing study (which concludes that generational labels are more or less meaningless) that blankets 'transgender issues, tattoos, and marijuana legalization' of with a sample size of 2000 from the UK is at all reflective of the future of American politics, which you probably do, because you're a fucking moron

[benjipwns]

on issues like gay marriage, marijuana legalization, transgender rights, and even tattoos, 59% of Gen Z respondents described their views as ‘conservative’ and ‘moderate’
...
But studies show that Gen Z’s views closely resemble those of Libertarian or Moderate Republicans, and that they related with Donald Trump on issues like national security

i like things with words

even better are when they're defined because like you're not allowed to describe your own views as "moderate" or "centrist" ya dopes

and stop trying to collectivize generations that you can't even agree on the terms of:

According to research, Gen Z is more individualistic [than Millennials], more conservative both socially and fiscally, and they’re already making waves of impact on our political system. Gen Z, those born in 1995 or later

error error arbitrary date selection

demographers and researchers typically use the early 1980s as starting birth years and the mid-1990s to early 2000s as ending birth years for Millennials

demographers and researchers typically use the mid-1990s to mid-2000s as starting birth years for Generation Z

I remember when generations were defined as being somewhere around 20-30 years long by demographers, not potentially ten years long because marketing research is desperate at finding new ways to label the same age groups as if they were a homogeneous collective.

[benjipwns]

Ashley Stahl coaches job seekers to find their purpose and land more job offers. She also runs CAKE Publishing, a ghostwriting house that helps influencers create content.

[Optimus]

Which you clearly didn't read, unless you think a marketing study (which concludes that generational labels are more or less meaningless) that blankets 'transgender issues, tattoos, and marijuana legalization' of with a sample size of 2000 from the UK is at all reflective of the future of American politics, which you probably do, because you're a fucking moron

Touche, fucking google screwed me this time. But I've seen studies with similar results a couple of years ago and you can see this shit everywhere, from reddit and meme subs teens frequent to youtube. Whatever, keep safe in your liberal bubble, I'm sure everything will be fine.

[seagrams hotsauce]

FWIW the study in question defined Gen Z as 2001 and later, which makes this argument even more distinguished mentally-challenged.

[seagrams hotsauce]

"I'm too dumb to read or do a super easy google search and I completely buy into things that fit the worldview I subscribe to without question. YouTube and Reddit tell me teenagers are into tucker carlson now and I believe them. Good luck in your liberal bubble." the self-owns of etoiletites here are priceless

[Clockwork5]

Slayven warned me for arguing in bad faith.

 

[Nintex]

*Reads era*

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-it-seems-like-populist-right-keeps-winning-in-europe-czech-elections.19305/page-2#post-3835805

- The ambiguity and denial of climate change, something that provoked Syrian rebellion and retaliation, among myriad others

[etiolate]

I would not be surprised to find the incoming generation to be more libertarian or conservative friendly than the previous gen.  The s j w ism is the uptight moral force that creates rebellion.

[benjipwns]

I like that blowback theory still isn't acceptable within conservative/Republican/Moderate Darling™ foreign policy circles (even despite Trump (and Carson and Paul to mention two other brief primary poll leaders) all but endorsing it) while at the same time is seemingly the definitive theory for why Hillary Clinton lost the election (not due to incredibly poor strategery built from an internally constructed reinforcing hubris*) between the collectively oldest candidates in American history because memes and youtubes. Not you know, a model predicated on fitting a pre-existing held view of the kultur war.

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Despite the fact that the primary tipping point that broke The Blue Wall appeared to be centered more on a shift within white women of Generation Y-Millennials that was made outsized by a corresponding drop in turnout among younger blacks.

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*THE YEAR WE TURN TEXAS AND UTAH BLUE - copyright 2016, PoliGAF

[benjipwns]

FWIW the study in question defined Gen Z as 2001 and later, which makes this argument even more distinguished mentally-challenged.

Wow, 15 year olds voting for Trump and yet Democrats still don't want Voter ID to stop these GOPers from voting illegally?!?

[Jansen]

Which you clearly didn't read, unless you think a marketing study (which concludes that generational labels are more or less meaningless) that blankets 'transgender issues, tattoos, and marijuana legalization' of with a sample size of 2000 from the UK is at all reflective of the future of American politics, which you probably do, because you're a fucking moron

Touche, fucking google screwed me this time. But I've seen studies with similar results a couple of years ago and you can see this shit everywhere, from reddit and meme subs teens frequent to youtube. Whatever, keep safe in your liberal bubble, I'm sure everything will be fine.

[etiolate]

I think its misguided to not recognize generations. It's also naive to think all years for generations are arbitrary.

That Millienials grew up pretty much after the fall of Communist power and had no Soviet Power in their lifetime matters, as does terrorism born from the middle east being a defining tragedy and issue. Socialist leanings without a threat from one plus the psychological impact of terrorism equals Social Studies Warrior.

So decade-based years of birth may not matter, but the historical events and atmosphere of their development do.

(along with social media and computer tech being abundant)

[Assimilate]

Thoughts on this video everyone?



Like as a socialist I disagree with the video so much but it’s so hilarious I can’t help but like it. It’s so well made. Trump had shit like this on his side. We just had Obama doing mic drops.

This video is one of the best. The reason you don't have this level on your side is because centrist white males tend to be the most creative of the bunch 

[curly]

How can you attempt to analyze the roots of millennial politics without mentioning the Iraq War or the Great Recession

What the fuck kind of gobbledygook is "Socialist leanings without a threat from one plus the psychological impact of terrorism equals Social Studies Warrior." Learn to put together a sentence you cretin.

It's par for the course that any kind of class analysis is totally absent

Culture warriors

[Clockwork5]

www.resetera.com

What the fuck is this.

[Nintex]

I think its misguided to not recognize generations. It's also naive to think all years for generations are arbitrary.

That Millienials grew up pretty much after the fall of Communist power and had no Soviet Power in their lifetime matters, as does terrorism born from the middle east being a defining tragedy and issue. Socialist leanings without a threat from one plus the psychological impact of terrorism equals Social Studies Warrior.

So decade-based years of birth may not matter, but the historical events and atmosphere of their development do.

(along with social media and computer tech being abundant)

When so many young voters went for Donald Trump I wasn't surprised because.

- Everyone born after 1997 has lived through 9/11 knowingly and had to check the Threat level alert-o-meter daily
- They probably all watched one or more seasons of The Apprentice or The Celebrity Apprentice
- They watched Donald Trump comment on anything ever, like hours after 9/11 happened or what he thought about North Korea

So they grew up with:
2001 : 9/11
2002 : Mass surveillance / Afghanistan, let's bomb the towel heads, yeehaw
2004 : Iraq is FREE after SHOCK & AWE, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
2005 : Oops we just incited a civil war, don't worry kids
2008 : Financial crash, none of the bankers jailed, just pats on the back and bail-outs for everyone. Parents poor and bitching about foreigners stealing their jobs
2011 : Let's bomb Libya because we still have some left-over cruise missiles
2012 : Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi / Syrian Civil War breaks out
2013 : ISIS roars it's ugly head
2014 : ISIS establishes caliphate / War in Ukraine
2015 : Beheadings on YouTube, women drowned in cages, pilots set on fire - or for ISIS: Tuesday
2016 : Donald Trump strolls down escalator and says everyone in power fucked it up bigly

How did we think the kids would turn out?
For me 9/11 happened like on the first day of high-school. I don't even live in the US and it a big impact on everything.

Now you have to tell kids that have watched towel heads being bombed since 2002 (that's 16 years, basically their entire youth) that they should be tolerant to other faiths and embrace the diversity.
How fucking stupid are those dumbfucks 

[Uncle]

www.resetera.com

What the fuck is this.

Why the fuck couldn't they post it in text like everyone else, this is the whole reason I avoid half the walkthroughs and reviews on the internet, I can't be arsed to watch a 10 minute video for every little thing to find the one piece of info relevant to me.  I need that ctrl F, I need that quick skim.  What the fuck is this.

[etiolate]

How can you attempt to analyze the roots of millennial politics without mentioning the Iraq War or the Great Recession

Iraq War falls under middle east terorrism, since it was an echo of 9/11. At least, in the scope of that period where you could justify about anything via 9/11.

What the fuck kind of gobbledygook is "Socialist leanings without a threat from one plus the psychological impact of terrorism equals Social Studies Warrior." Learn to put together a sentence you cretin.

It's par for the course that any kind of class analysis is totally absent

Culture warriors

Terrorism has a psychological goal. It's easier to sell propaganda and ideas from things that failed when that failure is no longer around and not discussed that much in schools. (And mostly gone from popular media, which keeps horrors like the Nazis fresh.)

[railGUN]

Looks like EviLore gets the last laugh on this one... his servers don't need upgrading or fancy fucking whatever's to balance traffic and shit.

NeoGAF, just a slow, inconsistent drip, like a leaky bathroom faucet.

[thisismyusername]

I think its misguided to not recognize generations. It's also naive to think all years for generations are arbitrary.

That Millienials grew up pretty much after the fall of Communist power and had no Soviet Power in their lifetime matters, as does terrorism born from the middle east being a defining tragedy and issue. Socialist leanings without a threat from one plus the psychological impact of terrorism equals Social Studies Warrior.

So decade-based years of birth may not matter, but the historical events and atmosphere of their development do.

(along with social media and computer tech being abundant)

You're fucking distinguished mentally-challenged, E-toliet.

How can you attempt to analyze the roots of millennial politics without mentioning the Iraq War or the Great Recession

What the fuck kind of gobbledygook is "Socialist leanings without a threat from one plus the psychological impact of terrorism equals Social Studies Warrior." Learn to put together a sentence you cretin.

It's par for the course that any kind of class analysis is totally absent

Culture warriors

Basically this. "Millennials" were graduating high-school or college when joblessness sky-rocketed and you're thinking "they're all socialists because they never learned about socialism, lol!" is moronic deductive reasoning. For one, said Millennials learned about socialism in their high-school history classes and were told "this doesn't work because Russia/China/Korea lol" and still think certain "socialist" policies are better because of "the greater good." (Health care, UBI, etc.) For the other, said programs benefit them along with younger/older generations AND doesn't screw said future generations like they were screwed by Boomers in the "great recession."

[etiolate]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/how-not-to-sexually-harass-someone.1460724/

awkward

[benjipwns]

- Everyone born after 1997 has lived through 9/11 knowingly and had to check the Threat level alert-o-meter daily

wow, knew we'd still be learning about bipartisan overreach in legislation decades later

why were people born before 1997 exempted? considering anyone born afterwards wasn't into their teens until after that system was discarded

[benjipwns]

Terrorism has a psychological goal. It's easier to sell propaganda and ideas from things that failed when that failure is no longer around and not discussed that much in schools. (And mostly gone from popular media, which keeps horrors like the Nazis fresh.)

but enough about the Federal Government and its allies...

[etiolate]

They don't learn about the nasty bits of communism. They are witless to that whole realm. Kid, I delayed my college years. I am not a millennial, but I went to college with millennials. They do not understand all that well what went on. I wager that not being fully exposed to the darker realities lets them be a little bit more prone to eating the propaganda.  If you can't understand that then fuck off.

These aren't kids that grew up in tent cities when there was an economic downturn. Social Studies Warriors are the kids that got to avoid that.

[curly]

Kid, I delayed my college years. I am not a millennial, but I went to college with millennials.

bah gawd is that bobby boberts' music

[benjipwns]

It's putting way too much faith in the education system to believe it has not only the power but the performance capability and single minded focus to impart or impose a generational weltanschauung.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/peterwsinger/status/957400017735684097

Here's some numbers on the Russian bots.
They retweeted Trump news more, guess what numbskulls because the media only ran Trump news. 

[Himu]

Like I’ve said many times before I am a socialist not because it was something I picked up in college. In fact I dismissed the shit in high school and college and was very much “socialism is waiting in line to get stale bread”. Pretty much most of the socialists I know my age are like this because we have personally seen the corruption of the American political system cultivate a system where people are expected to work to live and we will eventually get our pie in the sky. I witnessed old ladies at retirement age working 12 hour work days for minimum wage (7.25 here) and was unable to retire, stuck in a dead end job doing menial tasks and poor wages. Why 12 hours l? Because you could make 10 dollars an hour on overtime and they used that fact as an incentive to make their workers work longer hours. After that job I and reading about economics I picked up the Communist Manifesto and never looked back. Meanwhile, Obama administration openly bragged about low unemployment when you had multiple generations flipping burgers at McDonalds. When you sell people something like the American Dream so furiously that people believe in it, and come to the realization that it was all a lie it’s pretty easy to start looking for alternatives. Factor in America’s coming to power and riches off the backs of the sweat and blood of my ancestors and using people as literal currency, and the myth of capitalism looks more and more shaky.

[benjipwns]

For all the Baby Boomers self press about how they were radical revolutionaries who upended the status quo with their protests against the man and the endless lamenting by the prior generation of the eventual consequences that would destroy polite society and political bipartisan consensus; they're the ones who when they came of age politically, restored the Republican Party as a political force in Congress and the states, established the Carter through Obama consensuses, and went to war against uncouth rock music, television, video games and anything happening elsewhere that caught them up emotionally on the news until intervention became too much of a bummer.

[curly]

Young people are more open to socialism not because they're ignorant of communism but because they know capitalism.

[Nintex]

Enjoy communism






This was 1991 just before the USSR collapsed.

People fought and died to get rid of this dumb system and the hipster progressives want to restore it. 

[nudemacusers]

I like shoes too much to ever co-sign communism.

[benjipwns]

on the one hand: tens of millions dead, totalitarianism and massive suffering
on the other hand: those two dude's ration pails are really cute, also Marx promised me no state

so i'm a little conflicted still

[Nintex]

Wow such an amazing equal and diverse workforce, no more white men dictating the mines.
Look at all those happy faces not having to conform to the traditional male/female role models.


Equal opportunity to drink yourself to death

[Himu]

Enjoy communism
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This was 1991 just before the USSR collapsed.

People fought and died to get rid of this dumb system and the hipster progressives want to restore it. 

Suggesting that people want the exact thing that was in Russia is distinguished mentally-challenged. At best it makes you look silly for using false equivalences to make yourself appear smart, at worse it makes you look fucking ignorant of what people are arguing.

For one, I said nothing of communism besides the Manifesto. And pretty much most of the leftists I know aren’t statists.

I for one believe fully in democracy and the will of the people.

[Nintex]

Enjoy communism
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This was 1991 just before the USSR collapsed.

People fought and died to get rid of this dumb system and the hipster progressives want to restore it. 

Suggesting that people want the exact thing that was in Russia is distinguished mentally-challenged. At best it makes you look silly for using false equivalences to make yourself appear smart, at worse it makes you look fucking ignorant of what people are arguing.

For one, I said nothing of communism besides the Manifesto. And pretty much most of the leftists I know aren’t statists.

I for one believe fully in democracy and the will of the people.

The problem is though that the weaker well meaning socialists always get steamrolled by the hard line military types.

The main reason the USSR collapsed was that the Soviets moved in to get rid of Gorbachev and the people sided with Yeltsin instead. Had drunk hobo Yeltsin not thrown himself into the mix we would've still had the USSR and the tanks would've just crushed the little uprisings with KGB stooges like Putin cheering from the sidelines like what happened in China.

Also the ideal is still the same. Progressives want a political and social revolution. I mean, you will have to spill some blood to get the likes of Trump and Paris Hilton to give up their gold skyscrapers and a purge in Hollywood to make it more 'equal'. You will have to fight the Alex Jones' who have prepared for that event for years filling up their makeshift bunkers with guns and ammo.

The replacement of the capitalist/neo-liberal system with a communist system will at this point end up in violence and bloodshed. And I'm sorry but I don't see the Pussy Hats and dance party folks win a war against the John Kelly's, Stephen Millers and Alex Jones'. And that's ultimately what communism is, you take the money from the rich to distribute it among the poor. But unlike the communists of old the current left can't even win a coin toss against the right, let alone a full blown revolution. 

We've already seen signs of this too. Some Trumpers go and do a dumb freedom of speech rally or some shit and liberals/leftists go protest. All goes well until Antifa and BLM show up looking for a fight. The leftists and liberals cheer on their most violent peers.

[Rufus]

The problem is though that the weaker well meaning socialists always get steamrolled by the hard line military types.

When is this due? Asking for a friend.

[benjipwns]

Suggesting that people want the exact thing that was in Russia is distinguished mentally-challenged. At best it makes you look silly for using false equivalences to make yourself appear smart, at worse it makes you look fucking ignorant of what people are arguing.

For one, I said nothing of communism besides the Manifesto. And pretty much most of the leftists I know aren’t statists.

I for one believe fully in democracy and the will of the people.

But like, dudette, statism isn't going anywhere, especially not as part of any mass movement by the modern self-proclaimed Left who fully endorse statism first as a priority over socialism and democracy both. Especially not in the United States where the mainstream party of "the left" has hitched itself so hard to statism as a priority that it waxes poetic about enforced national service and whose leading thinkers create absurd hypotheticals that become mass shared on Facebook and Twitter wherein nothing happens without the state directing it to happen in the first place as part of the defense against their candidate not putting things ideally. So hard that it became the first executive to openly state that it has the authority to assassinate Americans without due process, can engage in warfare as long as it tells Congress there are no "hostilities" as it alone deems to exist, and is so arbitrary in its prosecutorial discretion as to be even worse than shithole states we used to mock because at least in those you knew whose ox was going to be gored.

And the "anarchist" "anti-government" opposition wants to fight rearguard actions in the culture war using the regulatory and administrative state it condemns, differs on much of the above only around the edges and is arguably making record time in disowning to straight up following the executive. Without any investigations that aren't re-fighting the last election.

Left, right, Republican, The Democracy, whatever, the support for even a meager amount of anarchist rollback of the state in areas that don't even matter is borderline non-existent or fought tooth and nail. Washington spent millions putting off decriminalizing marijuana because they "needed regulators to establish a marketplace" which is language as far gone as any kind of statist cemented mentality could be. A revolution against both the state and established property consideration is like ten thousand steps beyond that.

Lenin wasn't exactly wrong. Hell, he was arguably more pragmatic than what we'd see for another 70 years.

[Himu]

Enjoy communism
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This was 1991 just before the USSR collapsed.

People fought and died to get rid of this dumb system and the hipster progressives want to restore it. 

Suggesting that people want the exact thing that was in Russia is distinguished mentally-challenged. At best it makes you look silly for using false equivalences to make yourself appear smart, at worse it makes you look fucking ignorant of what people are arguing.

For one, I said nothing of communism besides the Manifesto. And pretty much most of the leftists I know aren’t statists.

I for one believe fully in democracy and the will of the people.

The problem is though that the weaker well meaning socialists always get steamrolled by the hard line military types.

The main reason the USSR collapsed was that the Soviets moved in to get rid of Gorbachev and the people sided with Yeltsin instead. Had drunk hobo Yeltsin not thrown himself into the mix we would've still had the USSR and the tanks would've just crushed the little uprisings with KGB stooges like Putin cheering from the sidelines like what happened in China.

Also the ideal is still the same. Progressives want a political and social revolution. I mean, you will have to spill some blood to get the likes of Trump and Paris Hilton to give up their gold skyscrapers and a purge in Hollywood to make it more 'equal'. You will have to fight the Alex Jones' who have prepared for that event for years filling up their makeshift bunkers with guns and ammo.

The replacement of the capitalist/neo-liberal system with a communist system will at this point end up in violence and bloodshed. And I'm sorry but I don't see the Pussy Hats and dance party folks win a war against the John Kelly's, Stephen Millers and Alex Jones'. And that's ultimately what communism is, you take the money from the rich to distribute it among the poor. But unlike the communists of old the current left can't even win a coin toss against the right, let alone a full blown revolution. 

We've already seen signs of this too. Some Trumpers go and do a dumb freedom of speech rally or some shit and liberals/leftists go protest. All goes well until Antifa and BLM show up looking for a fight. The leftists and liberals cheer on their most violent peers.

Social progressives want a revolution? What the fuck? Social progressives are about inflicting policy through through law. Progressives tend to be heavily big government and use that to pass the laws they want. When I think a "progressive" I think of Cenk. I can't think of Cenk using a gun. Progressives don't want the revolution you think they want.

Going from America's capitalist system to communism? What in the fuck? I have never advocated communism. In any case, socialism is the step to the communism. Going straight from capitalism to communism is one of the many, many, many mistakes of the 20th century leftists. Revolution? Who said anything about revolution? I personally don't think you necessarily have to use violence to achieve socialism.

FYI, I am a pro-democratic libertarian-socialist. I do not trust states. States are important, but trusting the state is silly because states can experience wild pendulum shifts as seen in going from Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama to Trump. Revolution? The thing about revolution is that there's always the chance the rebels become the new tyrants. That said, as an American, I still believe in revolution and the will of the people. I am also pro-gun and train at the range regularly but this says nothing of revolution or why you even brought it up.

Just lots of assumptions on your part. It's like you're talking to a wall. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or to who because you're certainly not talking to me. Maybe at me, but not to me.

[benjipwns]

For all the Baby Boomers self press about how they were radical revolutionaries...

This is a dumb post and I expected better from you, especially since you got it right on this same page:

I remember when generations were defined as being somewhere around 20-30 years long by demographers, not potentially ten years long because marketing research is desperate at finding new ways to label the same age groups as if they were a homogeneous collective.

Just replace "marketing research" with "historians".

I probably should have quoted what I was replying to, but it was the general notions above that a generation could be so driven singularity in a political direction. Many baby boomers self-proclaimed all of that stuff, for their generation to help usher in what a lot of the loudest were supposedly fighting against. Even if they were the same people, like Bill and Hillary Clinton.

I intended it as a thorn to the idea that even broad pictures taken of a generations political views now, doesn't mean anything when their becoming the dominant political bloc happens in 30 years. With the boomers as an example, especially since they got accelerated into the process with the lowering of the voting age. Despite the image of them dropping out, dropping acid, dropping fetuses and protesting Vietnam, enough of them went "awry" and ushered in the reborn GOP and Washington Consensus eras.

But I value that we finally have someone to hold me to my own standards.

[Trurl]

I would not be surprised to find the incoming generation to be more libertarian or conservative friendly than the previous gen.  The s j w ism is the uptight moral force that creates rebellion.

I fear that this is right. 

[Nintex]

Enjoy communism
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This was 1991 just before the USSR collapsed.

People fought and died to get rid of this dumb system and the hipster progressives want to restore it. 

Suggesting that people want the exact thing that was in Russia is distinguished mentally-challenged. At best it makes you look silly for using false equivalences to make yourself appear smart, at worse it makes you look fucking ignorant of what people are arguing.

For one, I said nothing of communism besides the Manifesto. And pretty much most of the leftists I know aren’t statists.

I for one believe fully in democracy and the will of the people.

The problem is though that the weaker well meaning socialists always get steamrolled by the hard line military types.

The main reason the USSR collapsed was that the Soviets moved in to get rid of Gorbachev and the people sided with Yeltsin instead. Had drunk hobo Yeltsin not thrown himself into the mix we would've still had the USSR and the tanks would've just crushed the little uprisings with KGB stooges like Putin cheering from the sidelines like what happened in China.

Also the ideal is still the same. Progressives want a political and social revolution. I mean, you will have to spill some blood to get the likes of Trump and Paris Hilton to give up their gold skyscrapers and a purge in Hollywood to make it more 'equal'. You will have to fight the Alex Jones' who have prepared for that event for years filling up their makeshift bunkers with guns and ammo.

The replacement of the capitalist/neo-liberal system with a communist system will at this point end up in violence and bloodshed. And I'm sorry but I don't see the Pussy Hats and dance party folks win a war against the John Kelly's, Stephen Millers and Alex Jones'. And that's ultimately what communism is, you take the money from the rich to distribute it among the poor. But unlike the communists of old the current left can't even win a coin toss against the right, let alone a full blown revolution. 

We've already seen signs of this too. Some Trumpers go and do a dumb freedom of speech rally or some shit and liberals/leftists go protest. All goes well until Antifa and BLM show up looking for a fight. The leftists and liberals cheer on their most violent peers.

Social progressives want a revolution? What the fuck? Social progressives are about inflicting policy through through law. Progressives tend to be heavily big government and use that to pass the laws they want. When I think a "progressive" I think of Cenk. I can't think of Cenk using a gun. Progressives don't want the revolution you think they want.

Cenk and bois like him want a revolution. They hate how the system is and they want to change it, that's a revolution. Even what Trump is doing is in some ways a revolution and is already causing a stir up.

Going from America's capitalist system to communism? What in the fuck? I have never advocated communism. In any case, socialism is the step to the communism. Going straight from capitalism to communism is one of the many, many, many mistakes of the 20th century leftists. Revolution? Who said anything about revolution? I personally don't think you necessarily have to use violence to achieve socialism.

You have to use violence if only to uphold socialist laws. Even countries like Venezuela who tried to avoid that, had to use violence at some point.
See when you tell Bezos that his money will be taxed at 90% in a day or so, he will try to get out of the country and move his billions elsewhere.

FYI, I am a pro-democratic libertarian-socialist. I do not trust states. States are important, but trusting the state is silly because states can experience wild pendulum shifts as seen in going from Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama to Trump. Revolution? The thing about revolution is that there's always the chance the rebels become the new tyrants. That said, as an American, I still believe in revolution and the will of the people. I am also pro-gun and train at the range regularly but this says nothing of revolution or why you even brought it up.

Just lots of assumptions on your part. It's like you're talking to a wall. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about or to who because you're certainly not talking to me. Maybe at me, but not to me.

I'm not talking to you directly, more in a broad sense to the false idea that a heavy socialist/communist America will appear without sacrifice and bloodshed and will benefit most of its people. It won't.

Even some of the stuff Bernie wanted would've ended up polarizing everything further.
Remember the first bullet is most of the time not fired by the communists but at the communists who then defend themselves, civil war starts and it gets fun from there.

Walk into a factory and tell the owner to distribute the means of production and profits among his workers (as the manifesto states) and he will hit you on the head with a shovel.

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This was 1991 just before the USSR collapsed.

People fought and died to get rid of this dumb system and the hipster progressives want to restore it. 

Why is ethan hawke about to get DPd by two guys in a wooden shed?

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Why is ethan hawke about to get DPd by two guys in a wooden shed?

wow and here i thought you were one of the few tolerant ones around here towards alternate lifestyles

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This was 1991 just before the USSR collapsed.

People fought and died to get rid of this dumb system and the hipster progressives want to restore it. 

Why is ethan hawke about to get DPd by two guys in a wooden shed?

When your country is a communist shithole you have to do something to pass the time

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I dunno how your next generation would react because "both sides" are a bunch of scumbags that now have a platform to spew shit and because the shifting demographics will make everything else muddy as fuck.

What I am sure is that this is boring as fuck and Optimus is always wrong in anything.

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I dunno how your next generation would react because "both sides" are a bunch of scumbags that now have a platform to spew shit and because the shifting demographics will make everything else muddy as fuck.

What I am sure is that this is boring as fuck and Optimus is always wrong in anything.

To join the progressives you have to pass their purity tests, nobody got time for that.
The only thing you need to do to join the right, is basically not join the progressives.

The left is eating their own with identity politics.

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What the fuck is this.

i ask myself that question a lot

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I dunno how your next generation would react because "both sides" are a bunch of scumbags that now have a platform to spew shit and because the shifting demographics will make everything else muddy as fuck.

What I am sure is that this is boring as fuck and Optimus is always wrong in anything.

To join the progressives you have to pass their purity tests, nobody got time for that.
The only thing you need to do to join the right, is basically not join the progressives.

The left is eating their own with identity politics.

 

Dude, you wish. Eating their own is not strange concept for the right.

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I like shoes too much to ever co-sign communism.

could i interest you in a thing called fully automated luxury gay space communism

[Rufus]

I dunno how your next generation would react because "both sides" are a bunch of scumbags that now have a platform to spew shit and because the shifting demographics will make everything else muddy as fuck.

What I am sure is that this is boring as fuck and Optimus is always wrong in anything.

To join the progressives you have to pass their purity tests, nobody got time for that.
The only thing you need to do to join the right, is basically not join the progressives.

The left is eating their own with identity politics.

 

Dude, you wish. Eating their own is not strange concept for the right.

Neither are identity politics. They somehow made climate change denial part of it.

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I dunno how your next generation would react because "both sides" are a bunch of scumbags that now have a platform to spew shit and because the shifting demographics will make everything else muddy as fuck.

What I am sure is that this is boring as fuck and Optimus is always wrong in anything.

To join the progressives you have to pass their purity tests, nobody got time for that.
The only thing you need to do to join the right, is basically not join the progressives.

The left is eating their own with identity politics.

 

Dude, you wish. Eating their own is not strange concept for the right.

Neither are identity politics. They somehow made climate change denial part of it.

Very true.