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Jansen

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« Reply #12420 on: January 28, 2018, 06:53:50 PM »
era :lol


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« Reply #12421 on: January 28, 2018, 06:54:03 PM »
Egalitarianism :lol
There is nothing inherently wrong with egalitarianism, the problem is there are so few actual egalitarians and an excessive amount of people that get what it entails being one so fucking wrong.

I don't disagree but I just have to laugh at anybody using that term these days. It feels like something you'd hear every five minutes in High School Libertarians Club. When digg was on Ron Paul's dick it was basically the justification for a whole bunch of shit policies, which I didn't realize until years later.

etiolate

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« Reply #12422 on: January 28, 2018, 06:54:21 PM »
Someone explain how Laat Night is for MRA’s? I don’t follow games anymore that aren’t fighting games but I remember the reveal trailer being good. I just rewatched it and it’s still impressive looking and looks like something I’d like to try out.

it's a cyberpunk dystopia where feminism has "won" and the world is shitty and terrible because of it.

For real? :lol

I saw it was dystopian but there’s nothing to indicate it was feminism that caused it. How does that work? Feminism is trash but not that trash.

No, the story is some dystopian cyberpunk where people live off of some form of Universal Basic Income and spend their lives jacked in rather than doing anything for a living. That's about as much as I can remember.

https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/8x9wyv/gamergate-feminism-cyberpunk-an-interview-with-the-last-night-designer

HaughtyFrank

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« Reply #12423 on: January 28, 2018, 06:55:15 PM »
I do wonder how people would receive Demolition man nowadays. Probably just as a disgusting alt-right fantasy.

Himu

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« Reply #12424 on: January 28, 2018, 06:56:08 PM »
From what I just read, the games sounds worth looking at. Say what you will about feminism itself, the guy doesn’t say feminism period, but specifically says modern feminism, which is shit. Also, a story about “progressivism gone extreme” sounds interesting. What does the game have to say? I wanna find out. Funny how gamers say games are art but the thing about art is that it’s about self expression. But somehow some self expression is lesser than others. Once upon a time, people didn’t know what to expect to get from art so they’d go see a film with an interesting premise to see wtf the creators had to say. Blazing Saddles. Clockwork Orange. Dr Strangelove. Shit like that. Gamergate support or not, I doubt that will factor into the actual game and he has says he has disavowed his past words.

Plus cinematic platformer? The good kind (ex: Another World) or the kusoge kind (Limbo)?

Seems like more Social Studies Warrior outrage about shit that doesn’t matter. :idont
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Raist

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« Reply #12425 on: January 28, 2018, 06:56:32 PM »
That thread now has a whole debate on stick figures :dead
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Yeah, exactly. People know immediately "that's a dude" when you put it in a restroom sign, yet when it's used anywhere else it's "default genderless stickman" (and if you point this out, let alone try to change it, you're being "irrational"). Male normalization at its finest.

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If you see a woman on the left, and an indefinite-gender character on the right, congratulations, society has successfully conditioned you to see male as "default".

Can't make this shit up :lol

Leadbelly

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« Reply #12426 on: January 28, 2018, 06:58:22 PM »
you can say whatever you want about the origins, or if there is leadership. it never mattered. gamergate was an excuse for shitty whiny dudes to jump onto a bandwagon and harass women. the branding faded but the shitty dudes stuck around and eventually moved to different industries. that shit is still happening right now.

Right.

And then I see what someone from in Gamergate says, like Mundanematt. He denies all of that, and claims it is about journalism in gaming. And I believe that is exactly what is for him. For him.

And thats my point. You can pretty much claim it is whatever you like. There is no real objective way of measuring how many people use it just to harrass women and how many genuinely believe what it claims itself to be.

And so, I pretty much don't think anything of it. No reason to bother with the drama.

Hot Slice

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« Reply #12427 on: January 28, 2018, 06:58:47 PM »


I don't disagree but I just have to laugh at anybody using that term these days. It feels like something you'd hear every five minutes in High School Libertarians Club.
Yeah, it’s part of the reason I don’t talk about it, specially not IRL; it’s not really a thing that even needs to be said, so why bother fussing if it leads to frustration?

Raist

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« Reply #12428 on: January 28, 2018, 06:59:12 PM »

Plus cinematic platformer? The good kind (ex: Another World) or the kusoge kind (Limbo)?


Another world / Flashback are inspirations, apparently. Not that it means it will be good obv.

Himu

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« Reply #12429 on: January 28, 2018, 07:00:50 PM »

Plus cinematic platformer? The good kind (ex: Another World) or the kusoge kind (Limbo)?


Another world / Flashback are inspirations, apparently. Not that it means it will be good obv.

Oh good. Glad it’s not inspired by that shit game Limbo.

I’ll buy it. When does it come out? Will it be on ps4?
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Hot Slice

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« Reply #12430 on: January 28, 2018, 07:04:33 PM »
Last Night? I think it will be on everything eventually, but might premiere on Windows 10 and Xbox One.

etiolate

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« Reply #12431 on: January 28, 2018, 07:04:51 PM »
The FBI investigated the whole Gamergate thing and found a few SA goons sending copy/pasta to Anita.

If you learn anything from Gamergate, then learn the gameplan used by the bad actors on the left.

1. Someone points out you're up to something bad or are wrong on a subject.
2. This starts to get around the internet
3. Claim harassment, send harassment story to friendly media outlets.
4. Act like a jackass to hopefully increase negativity towards you
5. Double down on harassment
6. Use harassment claim to silence, deplatform and defund the person or people who noticed your wrongdoing


The entire thing just played out again with the Peterson Chan 4 interview. The feminist lost the interview, had the interview go viral, and then a day ro two later spun the harassment story (which was sent to multiple friendly outlets).

This doesn't mean there isn't harassment, but that harassment is always framed in these instances to be one-way and to shift attention away from wrongdoing. You'll see this tactic played out over and over. The joke being that it tends to come from feminism, and its feminism using a helpless damsel trope to defend itself. Suddenly strong women can't handle hearing "you suck"*.


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Anita listed being told "you suck" as the dangerous, awful harassment she experienced online in her UN speech.... given to the Saudi Arabian head of that department of the UN. :lol
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Raist

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« Reply #12432 on: January 28, 2018, 07:05:04 PM »
PC/Bone AFAIK. No idea on release date.

Nintex

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« Reply #12433 on: January 28, 2018, 07:05:35 PM »
That thread now has a whole debate on stick figures :dead
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Yeah, exactly. People know immediately "that's a dude" when you put it in a restroom sign, yet when it's used anywhere else it's "default genderless stickman" (and if you point this out, let alone try to change it, you're being "irrational"). Male normalization at its finest.

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If you see a woman on the left, and an indefinite-gender character on the right, congratulations, society has successfully conditioned you to see male as "default".

Can't make this shit up :lol

WAT

600 years ago in a pub in 'ol England

"Fuck me mate, I'm drunk as fuck I"m gonna go weeee"
"WWooaahah bloody hell man, this is the ladies room!"

"Gee fella's maybe we should put a sign up there, so we see where ladies and mensies sit eh?"
"Yeah, seems like a sensible thing to do, less messy that-a-way"
"Oy, good ol george!"


ERA 600 years later:
- Stick figures on mah toilet is THE FACE OF WHITE MALE SUPREMACY

 :rejoice

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HaughtyFrank

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« Reply #12434 on: January 28, 2018, 07:06:16 PM »

Plus cinematic platformer? The good kind (ex: Another World) or the kusoge kind (Limbo)?


Another world / Flashback are inspirations, apparently. Not that it means it will be good obv.

Oh good. Glad it’s not inspired by that shit game Limbo.

I’ll buy it. When does it come out? Will it be on ps4?

"Launch exclusive" on xbox and pc and then likely on Ps4 some time later

Himu

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« Reply #12435 on: January 28, 2018, 07:06:46 PM »
Pc? I prolly can’t run that shit. RIP.
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Raist

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« Reply #12436 on: January 28, 2018, 07:07:33 PM »
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My point is that stick figures that people think to be "genderless" are clearly male, and this is just one of the myriad examples of male defaulting and female erasure in society. Beyond this, I can't make you understand why visibility matters; you'll have to start that journey of discovery yourself.

I can't :dead

Hot Slice

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« Reply #12437 on: January 28, 2018, 07:09:09 PM »
I hate the term launch exclusive. Premiere or premiering on _______makes so much more sense.

Sega was ahead of its time on that one.

etiolate

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« Reply #12438 on: January 28, 2018, 07:10:25 PM »
omg who wrote that


Raist

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HaughtyFrank

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« Reply #12441 on: January 28, 2018, 07:19:23 PM »
He's quoting his own post in a different thread :dead

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-read-op.4483/page-232#post-3858982
I don't even know what point he's making. If a city were to put up stickfigures with tits I can guarantee you that feminists would lose their shit

Raist

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« Reply #12442 on: January 28, 2018, 07:22:13 PM »
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To people wondering why we're talking about a comic about toy robots in a gender social issues thread, let me point you towards the fact that there are three, incredibly tenderly depicted gay couples (two male-male, one female-female) among the main cast alone (plus various pivotal ones in the backstory) and in the latter one's case, both are explicitly transgendered. In fact gay relationships (up to and including weddings called Conjunx Endurae, which is basically canis latinicus for Enduring Spouses) have been the standard in Cybertron for millions of years, as there were no female Transformers there until contact with the colonies was restabilished.

And the comic doesn't shy from depicting toxic relationships and dynamics, either...

I think I found my new favourite poster.

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« Reply #12443 on: January 28, 2018, 07:24:32 PM »
I said it somewhere else but I do have some passing Internet familiarity with Tim Soret before he was Tim Soret, designer of The Last Night. A bit with his online persona and certainly with the context and community (a videogame splinter forum much like the Bore, really, occasional edginess included) I read him in. I wouldn't claim to know the guy well by any means but I certainly believe him when he said he voted for far left Mélenchon last election. Which doesn't automatically mean he has good opinions on everything but GAFERA depiction seems comically overblown (it's not like they themselves are immune to some conservative tendencies sometimes). He was often ribbed, IIRC, for being the quintessential Parisian gentrified left leaning urban elite.

I think benjipwns kinda nailed that one last time when he suspected there was some severe cultural misunderstanding at work here.

Also Soret has been committed to making aesthetic, story driven platformer for a bit now (I believe he was a big fan of Brothers : A tale of Two Sons or a similar title around that time) and he had to endure quite a bit of light-hearted banter. It's cool he managed to make it in the end.

Edit : And yeah obviously, Another World and Flashback are pretty significant over here as you would expect.
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Jansen

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« Reply #12444 on: January 28, 2018, 07:35:38 PM »
Highstone
Permanently banned for usage of an alt-account.

damn I've been seeing a lot of alt account bans for a site that's only 3 months old :heh

bdoughty

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« Reply #12445 on: January 28, 2018, 07:37:52 PM »
Grey's Anatomy is pretty terrible, or is this how it is working in a hospital?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/greys-anatomy-is-pretty-terrible-or-is-this-how-it-is-working-in-a-hospital.19493/

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btw I am a huge fan of House M.D, so I thought I will give this a try. But its nothing like House. everyone in the hospital are sleeping with each other.

It's not Lupus and everyone slept around with each other on House too.

House and Cuddy
House and Warner
Houee and Cameron tried but failed
Foreman and Thirteen
Wilson and the Blonde who wanted to be on Houses staff
Chase and Cameron
Kutner tried to hit on everything in a white lab coat but was molded out of the average Reeeeeset poster.

Missed a bunch but it has been years since I have seen an episode. 


jorma

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« Reply #12446 on: January 28, 2018, 08:02:29 PM »
According to swedish stats, 24% of doctors are together with other doctors, and 7% are together with nurses. Beating out cops who take the second place at 15%.

So the reality seems to be even "worse" than the tv-shows.

Leadbelly

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« Reply #12447 on: January 28, 2018, 08:21:17 PM »
In terms of Soret's stance on Feminism. It doesn't necessarily mean he is an MRA. That is another thing I can't stand. This idea that if you are against one thing you must be automatically in favour of the other. No, you may not be in favour of either. And that is actually my stance. I think we need to move past looking at issues through the gendered lens. We need to start looking at issues from the perspective of both men and women.

In terms of my issues with modern day feminism: First of all, it is a political ideology. There is that little trick that feminists like to pull which is, if you are for the equality of the sexes, you're a feminist. No, if I reamin skeptical about rape culture, or the wage gap; if I believe patriarchy theory isn't an adequate way of viewing society in the West, or that men and women are not simply a blank slate that are programmed to view themselves as male or female, many feminists would deny I am a true feminist. It is not the notion that men and women should have equal opportunities I take issue with, it is looking at society and culture through the lens of feminist theory I take issue with. It has a philosophical and theoretical foundation; it has a worldview. It promotes a radical restructuring of society (smash the patriacrhy). It is a political ideology, and like every other political ideology, it should be fair game to criticise it.

It is authoritarian, it is for censorship, it is anti-free speech. There is very noticeable push back against Enlightenment values. Ironically, it has embraced victimhood. Where as early feminism pushed the view that women can be every bit as capable as men, modern feminism promotes the idea that women are fragile and weak and need to be protected. Campaigns to ban advertisement because if a woman walks past an advertisment of a thin woman in a bikini she will be scarred by it. Constant interfering in students sex lives, because a woman couldn't possibly be able to negotiate her own sex life by herself. Feminism is infantalising women and demonising men. Men need consent classes to be taught not to rape. We need to clamp down on 'lad banter'.

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« Reply #12448 on: January 28, 2018, 08:32:32 PM »
 :boring

seagrams hotsauce

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« Reply #12449 on: January 28, 2018, 08:35:29 PM »
Real quick, is there any footage of The Last Night outside of the trailer? There's a video on YouTube from four years ago when it still looked like ass but I haven't seen any actual gameplay since the E3 reveal

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« Reply #12450 on: January 28, 2018, 08:54:44 PM »
ERAmods OK with doxxing now?  :wag

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3871871/


Leadbelly

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« Reply #12452 on: January 28, 2018, 10:06:25 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/postmodernism-did-not-take-place-on-jordan-peterson%E2%80%99s-12-rules-for-life.19479/

:lol another Peterson 2 minute hate

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But Peterson is not the only ideologue to elide the distinction between these usually opposed frameworks

I like the way this article frames Peterson as an ideologue.

And well...
https://www.resetera.com/posts/3867339/
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Man, maybe I'm just tired but I didn't understand a word of that. Can anyone dumb it down? I don't get how it went from postmodernism to Jews.

Other than that it goes on about how peterson doesn't quite get Postmodernism. No one gets Postmodernism. You've got award winning physicists that don't get Postmodernism... Never has there been a philosophy where 'obscurantism' is most fitting.

That said, I don't actually like the way Peterson refers to the 'problem' as the postmodernist/neo-marxists. He leaves himself open to such attacks. The influence of postmodernism in the humanities and areas of social science is a problem. One that has been criticised by numerous people. And I think it is fine for Peterson to criticise it. The way he presents it though is like a secret 'cabal'. I think there is an element of truth in that, to the extent that radical leftist views are beginning to dominate institutions, and as a result are beginning to drip down into business and the entertainment industry. He probably would be better off if he framed it better.

Rman

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« Reply #12453 on: January 28, 2018, 10:13:26 PM »
I posted before and I listened to the Peterson stuff recently. I don't agree with many of his conclusions, but what's funny about all these thread is that posters go in and basically accept the narrative of him being some alt right figure without looking at primary sources, his own content.  Dude has hundreds hours of videos on YT, yet the first poster basically accept Golden Pigeon's assessment as gospel. 

Additionally, they call Peterson's work pseudoscience, yet the theories they accept are just as subjective!  That's why they're discussed.  There is no empirical consensus.

Same with the recent NYT hate threads.  There's no discussion there. It's just push a narrative and agree.  And the funny thing, everyone just falls in line and agrees.  There's a lack of curiosity and inquiry in these internet bubbles.  Like I said before, I don't agree with a lot of Peterson's stuff, but he's at least putting his stuff out there for discussion and debate.  But you see the same tactics used--strawmanning, ad hominem, etc. The Cathy Newman interview personified as default behavior.

Himu

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« Reply #12454 on: January 28, 2018, 10:22:42 PM »
Fall in line, citizens. Fuck you for coming to your own conclusions. Fuck you having the audacity to disagree. Fuck you for not falling in line with the ideology. You don’t like Antifa? Then you must being siding with the fucking Nazi’s. You don’t like modern feminism? How dare you. Then you must be a sexist pig or a slave of a woman driven by self hatred.

Pick up that fucking can.

What happened? How did we get like this?
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Leadbelly

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« Reply #12455 on: January 28, 2018, 10:23:28 PM »
I posted before and I listened to the Peterson stuff recently. I don't agree with many of his conclusions, but what's funny about all these thread is that posters go in and basically accept the narrative of him being some alt right figure without looking at primary sources, his own content.  Dude has hundreds hours of videos on YT, yet the first poster basically accept Golden Pigeon's assessment as gospel. 

Additionally, they call Peterson's work pseudoscience, yet the theories they accept are just as subjective!  That's why they're discussed.  There is no empirical consensus.

Same with the recent NYT hate threads.  There's no discussion there. It's just push a narrative and agree.  And the funny thing, everyone just falls in line and agrees.  There's a lack of curiosity and inquiry in these internet bubbles.  Like I said before, I don't agree with a lot of Peterson's stuff, but he's at least putting his stuff out there for discussion and debate.  But you see the same tactics used--strawmanning, ad hominem, etc. The Cathy Newman interview personified as default behavior.

Look at it another way: what field would you trust more to be objective or empirical in its methods when it comes to human behaviour, Psychology or Gender Studies?

Personally I would take Psychology every time. Gender Studies is too ideologically weighted.

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« Reply #12456 on: January 28, 2018, 10:25:56 PM »
We should put dicks on male stick figures.

agrajag

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« Reply #12457 on: January 28, 2018, 10:26:47 PM »
I have no horse in the race, and not really interested in Peterson's stuff. But from what I've seen he seems like a decent dude. Whether you agree with his views/conclusions or not, it's kind of silly to paint him as a paragon of alt-right and Nazi villainy. But then again the chaps on Reeeeeetard Era are silly, almost militantly so at times.

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« Reply #12458 on: January 28, 2018, 10:32:22 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/postmodernism-did-not-take-place-on-jordan-peterson%E2%80%99s-12-rules-for-life.19479/

:lol another Peterson 2 minute hate

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But Peterson is not the only ideologue to elide the distinction between these usually opposed frameworks
Other than that it goes on about how peterson doesn't quite get Postmodernism. No one gets Postmodernism. You've got award winning physicists that don't get Postmodernism... Never has there been a philosophy where 'obscurantism' is most fitting.

Wow a specialist in the sciences doesn't understand a concept from the humanities. Almost as if the sciences and the humanities have virtually no knowledge or understanding of each other and are basically separate spheres in the academy, and you have to actually engage with an idea to grasp it. You could start by reading the article in that Reset thread, which is actually a pretty decent introduction to the philosophies Peterson calls postmodernism.

Look at it another way: what field would you trust more to be objective or empirical in its methods when it comes to human behaviour, Psychology or Gender Studies?

Personally I would take Psychology every time. Gender Studies is too ideologically weighted.


yeah jungians are really relevant to the latest going-ons in the study of human behavior

etiolate

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« Reply #12459 on: January 28, 2018, 10:32:32 PM »
We should put dicks on male stick figures.

Transphobic





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« Reply #12460 on: January 28, 2018, 10:34:45 PM »
Look at it another way: what field would you trust more to be objective or empirical in its methods when it comes to human behaviour, Psychology or Gender Studies?

Do you want to take a bite of a sandwich someone has shit in, or take a bite of a sandwich two people have shit in?

etiolate

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« Reply #12461 on: January 28, 2018, 10:35:38 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/postmodernism-did-not-take-place-on-jordan-peterson%E2%80%99s-12-rules-for-life.19479/

:lol another Peterson 2 minute hate

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But Peterson is not the only ideologue to elide the distinction between these usually opposed frameworks
Other than that it goes on about how peterson doesn't quite get Postmodernism. No one gets Postmodernism. You've got award winning physicists that don't get Postmodernism... Never has there been a philosophy where 'obscurantism' is most fitting.

Wow a specialist in the sciences doesn't understand a concept from the humanities. Almost as if the sciences and the humanities have virtually no knowledge or understanding of each other and are basically separate spheres in the academy, and you have to actually engage with an idea to grasp it. You could start by reading the article in that Reset thread, which is actually a pretty decent introduction to the philosophies Peterson calls postmodernism.

This is the opening of the article:

A specter is haunting North America — the specter of postmodernism. Or at least, that’s what Jordan Peterson would have you believe. Peterson, a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, has entered into an unholy alliance with all the powers of the alt-right to exorcise this specter.


I'm not finishing an article that opens with such a lie. Maybe when I'm bored tomorrow morning. But I imagine any article that starts of with an ad hominem will continue to ad honinem.

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« Reply #12462 on: January 28, 2018, 10:36:33 PM »
I have no horse in the race, and not really interested in Peterson's stuff. But from what I've seen he seems like a decent dude. Whether you agree with his views/conclusions or not, it's kind of silly to paint him as a paragon of alt-right and Nazi villainy. But then again the chaps on Reeeeeetard Era are silly, almost militantly so at times.
I don't think there's nothing wrong with outright disagreeing with everything he says.  The issue seems that anything his name is brought up on RE, the majority of the posters move on to name calling instead of addressing his arguments. 

Peterson himself actually brings up interesting discussion points, but it's rather wasted on ERA.  Even the current thread is mostly focused on the fact that he associates with Ben Shapiro--a conservative Jew who is somehow alt right lol.

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« Reply #12463 on: January 28, 2018, 10:36:50 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/postmodernism-did-not-take-place-on-jordan-peterson%E2%80%99s-12-rules-for-life.19479/

:lol another Peterson 2 minute hate

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But Peterson is not the only ideologue to elide the distinction between these usually opposed frameworks
Other than that it goes on about how peterson doesn't quite get Postmodernism. No one gets Postmodernism. You've got award winning physicists that don't get Postmodernism... Never has there been a philosophy where 'obscurantism' is most fitting.

Wow a specialist in the sciences doesn't understand a concept from the humanities. Almost as if the sciences and the humanities have virtually no knowledge or understanding of each other and are basically separate spheres in the academy, and you have to actually engage with an idea to grasp it. You could start by reading the article in that Reset thread, which is actually a pretty decent introduction to the philosophies Peterson calls postmodernism.

This is the opening of the article:

A specter is haunting North America — the specter of postmodernism. Or at least, that’s what Jordan Peterson would have you believe. Peterson, a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, has entered into an unholy alliance with all the powers of the alt-right to exorcise this specter.


I'm not finishing an article that opens with such a lie. Maybe when I'm bored tomorrow morning. But I imagine any article that starts of with an ad hominem will continue to ad honinem.

Huh it's almost like you're looking for an excuse not to engage with views that threaten your own. How resetera of you

agrajag

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12464 on: January 28, 2018, 10:40:36 PM »
Most of the stuff I've seen of Peterson is some self-help stuff for young men or something. He doesn't seem malicious. I agree there isn't anything wrong with disagreeing with him. Like I said, this doesn't really spark my interest. But it's cringey how quick they are to villify someone.

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12465 on: January 28, 2018, 10:43:28 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/postmodernism-did-not-take-place-on-jordan-peterson%E2%80%99s-12-rules-for-life.19479/

:lol another Peterson 2 minute hate

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But Peterson is not the only ideologue to elide the distinction between these usually opposed frameworks
Other than that it goes on about how peterson doesn't quite get Postmodernism. No one gets Postmodernism. You've got award winning physicists that don't get Postmodernism... Never has there been a philosophy where 'obscurantism' is most fitting.

Wow a specialist in the sciences doesn't understand a concept from the humanities. Almost as if the sciences and the humanities have virtually no knowledge or understanding of each other and are basically separate spheres in the academy, and you have to actually engage with an idea to grasp it. You could start by reading the article in that Reset thread, which is actually a pretty decent introduction to the philosophies Peterson calls postmodernism.

There are parts of 'postmodernism' that are easier to get. It also depends on what you read. Yet, a lot of it is simply impenetrable by outsiders. The way you're talking about it, you'd think it was just a matter of people in the hard sciences not being knowledgeable in philosophy in general. This is not the case. This is a specific problem with postmodernism, it has nothing to do with philosophy in general.

In fact Daniel Dennett knows one or two things about philosophy. Why not let him tell you what he thinks.


agrajag

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12466 on: January 28, 2018, 10:43:54 PM »
About that stick figure business. How does that dude envision signifying female stick figures? Does he want a dress like in the bathroom sign stick figure? Wouldn't that too be problematic?  :doge

agrajag

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12467 on: January 28, 2018, 10:46:02 PM »
Why is G.R.R. Martin wasting time on post-modernism critiques when he has Winds of Winter to finish  ???

etiolate

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12468 on: January 28, 2018, 10:46:03 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/postmodernism-did-not-take-place-on-jordan-peterson%E2%80%99s-12-rules-for-life.19479/

:lol another Peterson 2 minute hate

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But Peterson is not the only ideologue to elide the distinction between these usually opposed frameworks
Other than that it goes on about how peterson doesn't quite get Postmodernism. No one gets Postmodernism. You've got award winning physicists that don't get Postmodernism... Never has there been a philosophy where 'obscurantism' is most fitting.

Wow a specialist in the sciences doesn't understand a concept from the humanities. Almost as if the sciences and the humanities have virtually no knowledge or understanding of each other and are basically separate spheres in the academy, and you have to actually engage with an idea to grasp it. You could start by reading the article in that Reset thread, which is actually a pretty decent introduction to the philosophies Peterson calls postmodernism.

This is the opening of the article:

A specter is haunting North America — the specter of postmodernism. Or at least, that’s what Jordan Peterson would have you believe. Peterson, a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, has entered into an unholy alliance with all the powers of the alt-right to exorcise this specter.


I'm not finishing an article that opens with such a lie. Maybe when I'm bored tomorrow morning. But I imagine any article that starts of with an ad hominem will continue to ad honinem.

Huh it's almost like you're looking for an excuse not to engage with views that threaten your own. How resetera of you

Except I studied Derrida and Foucalt before anyone ever heard of Peterson or heard him bring them up in regards to postmodernism.

I don't like the lie and the personal attack. It screams "this is not a strong paper".


Leadbelly

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12469 on: January 28, 2018, 10:48:35 PM »
yeah jungians are really relevant to the latest going-ons in the study of human behavior


Well, I'm not talking Jungians specifically. I'm talking Psychology in terms of its methods and body of work in general.

Sure, peterson's psychology of religion based on Jungian archetypes, sure. However in terms of the literature, there is no comparison to me.

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12470 on: January 28, 2018, 10:51:19 PM »
The last night stuff is entertaining.

"We need more political messages in gaming!!....not like that!"
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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12471 on: January 28, 2018, 10:56:39 PM »
America needs to get used to gender neutral bathrooms already, and stop trying to solve gender issues with fucking stick figures.

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12472 on: January 28, 2018, 11:00:14 PM »
You shut up. What if I like fucking stick figures?!
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agrajag

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12473 on: January 28, 2018, 11:03:01 PM »
You shut up. What if I like fucking stick figures?!


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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12474 on: January 28, 2018, 11:11:46 PM »

In fact Daniel Dennett knows one or two things about philosophy. Why not let him tell you what he thinks.



Yes, analytical philosophers don't like continental philosophers. I know.

Also writing is such an infinitely superior medium for this stuff than youtube videos. 10 minutes for ideas you could fit into a paragraph (this is probably the main reason I hate Peterson, I'm not watching a two hour youtube video you fucking terrorist).

Except I studied Derrida and Foucalt before anyone ever heard of Peterson or heard him bring them up in regards to postmodernism.
Damn dude I didn't know you read them in the original wikipedia article, respect
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I don't like the lie and the personal attack. It screams "this is not a strong paper".
You saying this is just too much :lol and the scholarly pretension to boot :lol :lol :lol Show yourself in the politics thread you coward

Himu

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12475 on: January 28, 2018, 11:17:33 PM »
The last night stuff is entertaining.

"We need more political messages in gaming!!....not like that!"

Said the same thing
IYKYK

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12476 on: January 28, 2018, 11:26:23 PM »
The last night stuff is entertaining.

"We need more political messages in gaming!!....not like that!"

Said the same thing

I mean nobody is saying that as far as I've seen. The dude's completely allowed to have his game with his message. We're free to tell him fuck off and not buy it. He's not being censored or anything
nat

agrajag

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12477 on: January 28, 2018, 11:30:10 PM »
I had to do a paper on a Foucault essay in college once. That's the only thing I've read and I wanted to blow my brains out.


etiolate

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #12479 on: January 28, 2018, 11:54:10 PM »

In fact Daniel Dennett knows one or two things about philosophy. Why not let him tell you what he thinks.



Yes, analytical philosophers don't like continental philosophers. I know.

Also writing is such an infinitely superior medium for this stuff than youtube videos. 10 minutes for ideas you could fit into a paragraph (this is probably the main reason I hate Peterson, I'm not watching a two hour youtube video you fucking terrorist).

Except I studied Derrida and Foucalt before anyone ever heard of Peterson or heard him bring them up in regards to postmodernism.
Damn dude I didn't know you read them in the original wikipedia article, respect
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I don't like the lie and the personal attack. It screams "this is not a strong paper".
You saying this is just too much :lol and the scholarly pretension to boot :lol :lol :lol Show yourself in the politics thread you coward

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