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[Nabbis]

I don't know why anyone would ever post in a trans thread.

It's like spotting a unicorn.

[tummyfat]

I don't know why anyone would ever post in a trans thread.

USER WARNED: TRANSPHOBIA

[thetylerrob]

Brad Shoemaker when he has to hear Abby's voice for 22 hours editing  the GOTY podcast.

Very Good post. This post is doing it for me. This post is my thing. Very Good.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I don't know why anyone would ever post in a trans thread.

EVERY thread is a trans thread. You cis shitlord!

[joeboy101]

I imagine their alexa ranking graph will look like a spacex launch in a couple of months

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/neogaf.com

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/resetera.com

I don’t know what’s funnier: GAF going over the cliff, or Recettera hitting the ceiling.

[jorma]

I imagine their alexa ranking graph will look like a spacex launch in a couple of months

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/neogaf.com

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/resetera.com

I don’t know what’s funnier: GAF going over the cliff, or Recettera hitting the ceiling.

The gender ratio is the funniest for sure. Alexa is a TERF shitlord confirmed.

[ToxicAdam]

I don't know why anyone would ever post in a trans thread.

How else can I signal to others that I am a hip, 22nd century dude?

[HaughtyFrank]

The fuck

(Image removed from quote.)

"Piven Polygraph"

 

[Boredfrom]

you're a parody of a poster dude.

If you think comics are bad because the writing is bad, that's whatever. that's completely subjective. but if you think comics are bad because SJ W vipers have infested the ranks and are trying to destroy it from within, you're a fucking idiot. I'm not claiming you're either, but those people DO exist and are the currently harassing creators and saying stupid shit like "stop putting politics in mah comix" when what they REALLY mean is "I hate women, blacks, queer people and they don't deserve time in my little hobby"

While I agree that is because "writing is bad"... a lot of Social Studies Warrior rethoric seems to be apologetic of some bad writing decisions.

Not the main cause of this writting dreadnaught, but there has been some questionable stuff. (Ex Bendis publicity stunt of making Ice Man gay )

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/4088620/

The thing is, it's pretty well known those Mona Lisa spinoffs are being shipped as parodies.

Nowhere in the marketing has this remaster made the claim it was a parody. It's trying to bill itself as the genuine thing. That's deceitful and attempts to betray the hearts the original game won over.



I disagree. It's a pretty valid comparison. In the original scene, you couldn't tell what Darth Vader was thinking but you could analyze the context and think about what was said 5 minutes prior, and pretty much get a very good guess at what was going on in Vader's mind.  The new version throws that away and makes it clear "this is what vader is thinking about".

In SotC, Wander's expression on the left is pretty devoid of emotion. He's thinking something, but you're not sure what. You might guess.  The remake turns him into a borderline wuss that makes it clear "J-just look at me! You know what im thinking!".

I agree with an above poster that attaching an actual remaster of SOTC to this game would have been the ideal course of action to address these complaints, instead of just asking those people to shut up and go away

[Boredfrom]

Everybody already assumed Ice Man was gay anyway

True, but Marvel did sent the story to every newspaper while the Bendis X books were in serious decline.

Then again, this also a example why Comics decline it has less to with Social Studies but Editorial and writing decisions.

[etiolate]

fistful is a mental cuck

Nothing that he posts stems from his own, personal thoughts. It's always dogma and hysteria. It's nothing anyone would naturally think. He's a cuck because someone else is fucking his brain and speaking for him through his own mouth while he quietly watches from the darkest corners of his mind.

And it stems from his own shame. He thinks he has turned a leaf when he's only flipped the coin. He's the same spineless bastard, but he exchanged an embarrassing image folder for an embarrassing set of dogmatic phrases.

That boy ain't right.

[Jansen]

If you allow bigots inside of any movement in the name of fighting the "true" enemy, you will find yourself in a movement no better than the enemy you're trying to defeat.

[Cravy]

I don't know why anyone would ever post in a trans thread.

They're dumb or new. You should've learned how not to get banned back  on GAF. Just steer clear if your opinion might possibly considered PROBLEMATIC.

[Boredfrom]

or the s j w writing was cringe and comic fans have been looking at an assortmentt of superheroes for years and think turning Cap America into a nazi is gayer than Andy's alcohol cabinet

Lol That is a bad example. The Cap Nazi has more to do with the Editorial than Social Studies (of anything, Cap is pretty inclined on progressive thinking)

[parallax]

Everybody already assumed Ice Man was gay anyway

why?

[Rahxephon91]

My favorite thing about comic books and the argument over the Sjw is the non-readers. Who don't read the comics, but see the complaints over the female or minority versions of the characters and then talk about how either the comics are crap or it's sjw shit being shoved down your throat.

And I'm like

"Female Thor and stuff like Ms Marvel is great".

[Rahxephon91]

The sad thing is that Secret Empire was an actual solid event at first. It felt big in scale. Full of big revaltions that had impact.

And then the 2nd half happen.

[thisismyusername]

Ignore the fact that singular manga outsell the entire output of marvel and DC comics IN THE WEST. Everyone knows manga is also an alt right creation

Sources please. Because that's be hilarious if Manga and Animu's downhill slide is outpacing Marvel/DC/Capeshit's.

[etiolate]

but he exchanged an embarrassing image folder

lol, what's the story here?

He had several gigabytes of natalie portman photos in a folder on his computer

[SG-17]

How did this all get worse than before?

[FStop7]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/4082428/

Because people like this roam unchecked.  Diet Opiate sperglords.

[etiolate]

Reset era poster has no fatherly instincts. Story at 11!

[thisismyusername]

Everybody already assumed Ice Man was gay anyway

why?

String of failed (hetero-sexual/women) romances is the popular "Iceman was always gay" theory. Oh and throwing that panel of Jean Grey coming to the school and he's all "meh, women. Whatever."

That move was clearly Marvel trying to score progressive points, but it was just bad because 1) retcon of an established character 2) it was BLINDINGLY obvious that it was a PR move.

Now I haven't read their "progressive comics" like Ms. Marvel or anything, but their events have been shit for ages. They should stop doing cross-overs and let each of the properties actually breathe. Like, for fuck sake: I like the X-men, but they don't need to be in every stupid cross-over event Bendis and crew do.

[Clockwork5]

but he exchanged an embarrassing image folder

lol, what's the story here?

He had several gigabytes of natalie portman photos in a folder on his computer

I see nothing problematic about this whatsoever.

[SG-17]

Justice is only justice if it's neutered and pacifist apparently.

[etiolate]

From like the Leon days

[thisismyusername]

but he exchanged an embarrassing image folder

lol, what's the story here?

Oh man, this is how you tell people you weren't from GAF pre-2011 or so.

[Clockwork5]

From like the Leon days

Oh. Disregard my previous post. Eww.

[thisismyusername]

Everybody already assumed Ice Man was gay anyway

why?

String of failed (hetero-sexual/women) romances is the popular "Iceman was always gay" theory. Oh and throwing that panel of Jean Grey coming to the school and he's all "meh, women. Whatever."

That move was clearly Marvel trying to score progressive points, but it was just bad because 1) retcon of an established character 2) it was BLINDINGLY obvious that it was a PR move.

Now I haven't read their "progressive comics" like Ms. Marvel or anything, but their events have been shit for ages. They should stop doing cross-overs and let each of the properties actually breathe. Like, for fuck sake: I like the X-men, but they don't need to be in every stupid cross-over event Bendis and crew do.

Also while I'm thinking of it: Fuck Bendis (and by proxy Jean Grey) for the way she threw Iceman out of the closet. "You're gay. I know this because I read your mind. Just come out, Bobby. It's fine!"

[SG-17]

So much for transparency in moderation either. Apparently contesting bans is pointless.

[Rufus]

From like the Leon days

?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/itt-something-ive-been-working-on-the-past-few-weeks.346727/

[Boredfrom]

So much for transparency in moderation either. Apparently contesting bans is pointless.

You were banned?

[agrajag]

Yeah, that's embarassing. And while I commend him for leaving that cringe in the past, he took an embarrassing 180 degree turn into social studies cringe.

[thisismyusername]

Yeah, that's embarassing. And while I commend him for leaving that cringe in the past, he took an embarrassing 180 degree turn into social studies cringe.

Eh, he isn't necessarily wrong that Comic Book nerds (and Gamers) are sometimes shitheels. You can just go to a Magic: the Gathering, Comic Book, or Gamestore to see assholes that treat women badly first-hand. But I don't think throwing "progressive" stories is going to do anything to stop that shit. Wizard's banning assholes for being assholes, does in regards to welcoming women to their venues, but doesn't really change the assholes opinion.

[etiolate]

Everyone is sometimes a shitheel, but applying that to a whole group in a way as to make it seem like the default behavior is wrong. It's childish irresponsibility. Fuck up because your propoganda makes shitty comics? Blame your own audience for being stinky white males!

As though comic books and games haven't been a refuge for the already rejected parts of society, now you can go in and make sure their comic book heroes reject them as well.

There's going to be a point where the whole social justice invasion of nerd realms turns out to be a bunch of cruel cunts attacking people with social disorders and autism. That'll be awkward.

[agrajag]

 

[HaughtyFrank]

Everybody already assumed Ice Man was gay anyway

True, but Marvel did sent the story to every newspaper while the Bendis X books were in serious decline.

Then again, this also a example why Comics decline it has less to with Social Studies but Editorial and writing decisions.

That's what I wonder about. Who has those ideas? If there's some writer out there who has this great idea of replacing iron man with a black girl then go for it, but if it's just decided by some board that throws random stuff at the wall there's no surprise when it turns out to be garbage.

[Rufus]

From like the Leon days

?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/itt-something-ive-been-working-on-the-past-few-weeks.346727/

Well he does have a folder labeled 1990-2003;  she was 9 in 1990.

Yeah, but it was obviously an, uh, all-encompassing obsession that seems to have started when he himself was a child, so... It's weird (and I now want to know how big JaseC's collection is), but not as clear-cut scummy as our resident renaissance thinker needs it to be for his narrative.

[Boredfrom]

Everyone is sometimes a shitheel, but applying that to a whole group in a way as to make it seem like the default behavior is wrong. It's childish irresponsibility. Fuck up because your propoganda makes shitty comics? Blame your own audience for being stinky white males!

As though comic books and games haven't been a refuge for the already rejected parts of society, now you can go in and make sure their comic book heroes reject them as well.

There's going to be a point where the whole social justice invasion of nerd realms turns out to be a bunch of cruel cunts attacking people with social disorders and autism. That'll be awkward.

While I agree with you there... lol, having a shitty female Thor will not kill the regular reader enthusiasm for comic: Bad writing, shitty editors and massive events tend to do that.

[thisismyusername]

Everyone is sometimes a shitheel, but applying that to a whole group in a way as to make it seem like the default behavior is wrong. It's childish irresponsibility. Fuck up because your propoganda makes shitty comics? Blame your own audience for being stinky white males!

As though comic books and games haven't been a refuge for the already rejected parts of society, now you can go in and make sure their comic book heroes reject them as well.

There's going to be a point where the whole social justice invasion of nerd realms turns out to be a bunch of cruel cunts attacking people with social disorders and autism. That'll be awkward.

lmao, aren't you cute. Are you the type to bully women that come with their boyfriends and maybe play casual Magic: the Gathering with your Tier-1 AAA++++++++++++ deck to make them cry and then go home to jack-off over "dominating wimen-folk?"

Yes, those people are "rejected parts of society." No that doesn't give them carté blanche to be assholes to "normies" that "get into my hobby! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

[etiolate]

Having a female thor to "correct the patriarchy" will lead to bad writing, cringe stuff and bad editorial decisions.

You face a very different response when you create a new female super hero. It can even be another Norse god (or Greek mythology ala Wonder Woman), but when you're rewriting tradition with political aims in mind it turns out as a train wreck.

There is a certain dishonesty in doing it that way as well. As though your stealing from the tradition to do your own thing regardless of the tradition, as opposed to having the confidence to go out and create your own story and hero from the ground up.

[Atramental]

etoilate's post reminded me of this:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111202657/4633066-7416513324-14286.jpg

lololololololololol 

[Boredfrom]

Having a female thor to "correct the patriarchy" will lead to bad writing, cringe stuff and bad editorial decisions.

You face a very different response when you create a new female super hero. It can even be another Norse god (or Greek mythology ala Wonder Woman), but when you're rewriting tradition with political aims in mind it turns out as a train wreck.

There is a certain dishonesty in doing it that way as well. As though your stealing from the tradition to do your own thing regardless of the tradition, as opposed to having the confidence to go out and create your own story and hero from the ground up.

But... that has been comics standard modus operandi since decades. Good comic runs followed this. 

[Rufus]

etoilate's post reminded me of this:
(Image removed from quote.)
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111202657/4633066-7416513324-14286.jpg

lololololololololol 

"The game has become an excuse, largely, for people to hang out and flirt and smoke/drink or whatever the fuck"

But... that has been comics standard modus operandi since decades. Good comic runs followed this.

You have to factor in that he's stroking a very particular hate-boner right now, which naturally frames they way he views things.

[etiolate]

There is an idea that great art overcomes its propaganda over time, but the written word rarely does that.  The visual and musical realm? Sure. But the nature of written propaganda tends to remain written propaganda, as though art can't arise from it. And when the art does arise from it, it tends to so heavily subvert the propaganda that barely functions as propaganda and gets banned within its lifetime.

You can read Platonov's ability to demonstrate misery via his characters speaking in a sort of Soviet Realism and realize why he wasn't that popular for it, and then read the earnest Soviet Realism and find no art in it. Meanwhile the Soviet visual art is often enjoyable long after its initial purpose.

So you can see good visual art in that Thor comic panel, but reading it is fucking painful for how god awful and dated it appears in its own era. That's probably the most defining characteristic of written propaganda, it reads as though its dated as soon as its published. It's stuck in temporarily and the average person won't like it. Art can't be stuck in time.

[Clockwork5]

Lolllllllll

Is it wrong to try and date 25-30 year olds when you are 37?

https://www.resetera.com/posts/4074858

I'm 37 and my current lady friend is 21

 

But she literally approached me and said she wanted to suck my dick after we had known each other for a month or so.  I'll tell you what I didn't do, get on RE and ask them if it was ok to consummate the blow job.

[Atramental]

[etiolate]

Having a female thor to "correct the patriarchy" will lead to bad writing, cringe stuff and bad editorial decisions.

You face a very different response when you create a new female super hero. It can even be another Norse god (or Greek mythology ala Wonder Woman), but when you're rewriting tradition with political aims in mind it turns out as a train wreck.

There is a certain dishonesty in doing it that way as well. As though your stealing from the tradition to do your own thing regardless of the tradition, as opposed to having the confidence to go out and create your own story and hero from the ground up.

But... that has been comics standard modus operandi since decades. Good comic runs followed this.

politics have been in comics, but those bits end up goofy and don't age that well, and in the past.. were generally worked into what the comic was

rather than a politics that views the nature of the comic as wrong, and the audience of the comic as vile, then decides to make the comic about that view

[Boredfrom]

There is an idea that great art overcomes its propaganda over time, but the written word rarely does that.  The visual and musical realm? Sure. But the nature of written propaganda tends to remain written propaganda, as though art can't arise from it. And when the art does arise from it, it tends to so heavily subvert the propaganda that barely functions as propaganda and gets banned within its lifetime.

You can read Platonov's ability to demonstrate misery via his characters speaking in a sort of Soviet Realism and realize why he wasn't that popular for it, and then read the earnest Soviet Realism and find no art in it. Meanwhile the Soviet visual art is often enjoyable long after its initial purpose.

So you can see good visual art in that Thor comic panel, but reading it is fucking painful for how god awful and dated it appears in its own era. That's probably the most defining characteristic of written propaganda, it reads as though its dated as soon as its published. It's stuck in temporarily and the average person won't like it. Art can't be stuck in time.

You could just not buy the comic Etiolate. If is a bad as you say, nobody is going to say is hot shit years after female thor becomes cannon fodder of a big comic event.

[team filler]

Lolllllllll

Is it wrong to try and date 25-30 year olds when you are 37?

https://www.resetera.com/posts/4074858

I'm 37 and my current lady friend is 21

 

But she literally approached me and said she wanted to suck my dick after we had known each other for a month or so.  I'll tell you what I didn't do, get on RE and ask them if it was ok to consummate the blow job.

Get that young pussy 

[etiolate]

There is an idea that great art overcomes its propaganda over time, but the written word rarely does that.  The visual and musical realm? Sure. But the nature of written propaganda tends to remain written propaganda, as though art can't arise from it. And when the art does arise from it, it tends to so heavily subvert the propaganda that barely functions as propaganda and gets banned within its lifetime.

You can read Platonov's ability to demonstrate misery via his characters speaking in a sort of Soviet Realism and realize why he wasn't that popular for it, and then read the earnest Soviet Realism and find no art in it. Meanwhile the Soviet visual art is often enjoyable long after its initial purpose.

So you can see good visual art in that Thor comic panel, but reading it is fucking painful for how god awful and dated it appears in its own era. That's probably the most defining characteristic of written propaganda, it reads as though its dated as soon as its published. It's stuck in temporarily and the average person won't like it. Art can't be stuck in time.

You could just not buy the comic Etiolate. If is a bad as you say, nobody is going to say is hot shit years after female thor becomes cannon fodder of a big comic event.

People didn't buy the comics, which is why the s j w motif got dropped by Marvel.

I am discussing how that came to be because it's interesting. (And because people are lying about what happened.)

[Boredfrom]

Having a female thor to "correct the patriarchy" will lead to bad writing, cringe stuff and bad editorial decisions.

You face a very different response when you create a new female super hero. It can even be another Norse god (or Greek mythology ala Wonder Woman), but when you're rewriting tradition with political aims in mind it turns out as a train wreck.

There is a certain dishonesty in doing it that way as well. As though your stealing from the tradition to do your own thing regardless of the tradition, as opposed to having the confidence to go out and create your own story and hero from the ground up.

But... that has been comics standard modus operandi since decades. Good comic runs followed this.

politics have been in comics, but those bits end up goofy and don't age that well, and in the past.. were generally worked into what the comic was

rather than a politics that views the nature of the comic as wrong, and the audience of the comic as vile, then decides to make the comic about that view

Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns?

[etiolate]

Having a female thor to "correct the patriarchy" will lead to bad writing, cringe stuff and bad editorial decisions.

You face a very different response when you create a new female super hero. It can even be another Norse god (or Greek mythology ala Wonder Woman), but when you're rewriting tradition with political aims in mind it turns out as a train wreck.

There is a certain dishonesty in doing it that way as well. As though your stealing from the tradition to do your own thing regardless of the tradition, as opposed to having the confidence to go out and create your own story and hero from the ground up.

But... that has been comics standard modus operandi since decades. Good comic runs followed this.

politics have been in comics, but those bits end up goofy and don't age that well, and in the past.. were generally worked into what the comic was

rather than a politics that views the nature of the comic as wrong, and the audience of the comic as vile, then decides to make the comic about that view

Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns?

Watchmen = original creation

DKR is a criticism born of comics from a comic mind.

That Thor panel is outside political culture war horseshit that is clunky and embarrassing.  The differences between these three are important.

[etiolate]

As though comic books and games haven't been a refuge for the already rejected parts of society, now you can go in and make sure their comic book heroes reject them as well.

How can you write this and not realize that maybe there's a "Social Justice Warrior invasion" because there's a group of gay, trans, black, asian and whatever else type of person who did seek refuge there and grew up to work in nerd industries? I mean it's not that shocking.

It's not. And there's nothing at issue with those people creating their own works and expressing themselves. I've read the Sandman comics, the MAXX and even a little Tank Girl. These are alt-lifestyle comics that represented non-mainstream life in non-mainstream comics.

But that's different from an ideological cleanse/invasion of major comic titles that are not personal stories but dogma.

[Boredfrom]

Having a female thor to "correct the patriarchy" will lead to bad writing, cringe stuff and bad editorial decisions.

You face a very different response when you create a new female super hero. It can even be another Norse god (or Greek mythology ala Wonder Woman), but when you're rewriting tradition with political aims in mind it turns out as a train wreck.

There is a certain dishonesty in doing it that way as well. As though your stealing from the tradition to do your own thing regardless of the tradition, as opposed to having the confidence to go out and create your own story and hero from the ground up.

But... that has been comics standard modus operandi since decades. Good comic runs followed this.

politics have been in comics, but those bits end up goofy and don't age that well, and in the past.. were generally worked into what the comic was

rather than a politics that views the nature of the comic as wrong, and the audience of the comic as vile, then decides to make the comic about that view

Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns?

Watchmen = original creation

DKR is a criticism born of comics from a comic mind.

That Thor panel is outside political culture war horseshit that is clunky and embarrassing.  The differences between these three are important.

Partially wrong, most of the cast were based on Charlton superheroes because Moore couldnt use them.

It's not. And there's nothing at issue with those people creating their own works and expressing themselves. I've read the Sandman comics, the MAXX and even a little Tank Girl. These are alt-lifestyle comics that represented non-mainstream life in non-mainstream comics.

But that's different from an ideological cleanse/invasion of major comic titles that are not personal stories but dogma.

lol wat

[etiolate]

You're right, Moore was using a base set from other comics and then remade them anew. It still stands on its own. The Social Studies Warrior stuff that got rejected by the audience does not stand on its own.

And there's reasons for that. However, "most comic fans are mysogonerdnazis" is not one of the reasons.

[Let's Cyber]

"The game has become an excuse, largely, for people to hang out and flirt and smoke/drink or whatever the fuck"

Perfectly normal human socialization.

 

[Boredfrom]

You're right, Moore was using a base set from other comics and then remade them anew. It still stands on its own. The Social Studies Warrior stuff that got rejected by the audience does not stand on its own.

And there's reasons for that. However, "most comic fans are mysogonerdnazis" is not one of the reasons.

Alan Moore is (was?) progressive as fuck, he is just not a terrible writter.

[benjipwns]

what are even these comic posts about

marvel's editorial problems over the last two decades go far beyond anything resembling being social studies warriors or not