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[Assimilate]

What if your only experience with trans people came from ERA?

 

You'd probably think and act like Assimilate

Stro hangs out with a lot of trans people

I wish i had that much cred

 

[TVC15]

I like this because of the amazing opening shot combined with this being an official preview from TLC. They open with tha goodz.

This is the other part, TLC is just fucking shameless about the show. It's like they're saying yes come hatewatch you dirty filthy subhuman garbage.

I just watched a clip of a couple, two really really big ones, going grocery shopping. They filled the cart, got a case of non-Diet Mt. Dew, and as they were leaving, the VO said they’d eat everything they bought by tomorrow and be back for another trip. How do these people afford to live? They have to be spending like a thousand bucks a week on groceries.

[Phoenix Dark]

BLM would have higher support if it started out as "black lives matter too".  It would completely destroy the narrative of "white lives don't matter" that dumb people push and make that one comic with the burning house completely unnecessary.

But above all else, BLMT kind of looks like BLT.  People would start associating progress with delicious sandwiches.  That's a double positive right there.  The movement would take off with far less pushback and eventually there would be actual marketing deals involved, like with Subway.  BLMT would be the new Jared, just you know, without the pedophilia.

This is intellectually lazy. "BLM" does not insinuate that white lives matter less. The point is that black life is valued less in our society, and the statement is used to re-affirm something that should be obvious. Furthermore any competent black person can explain this to a white person...and in many cases they are STILL triggered. My view: if, even after explaining it, you still have a problem...you lost.


That being said BLM is a trash organization that hasn't accomplished anything. Whereas the Black Panthers were effective and had a major presence in the black community instead of sitting around on twitter all day. They also had a hierarchy, which goes to Etiolet's (good) point about these current groups of aimless agitators/ambulance chasers.

I still think it would've been hilarious if the movement could've done a successful rebranding like "you're right white people, All Lives Matter.  We worded that wrong.  Thanks for the gentle correction, allies.  Since All Lives Matter and black people are dying disproportionately right now, we'll see you at the march on Tuesday, yeah?"

No, it might not change their minds, but it'd at least piss them off.  What could they possibly say, when it's pointed out that they apparently agree with the movement?

How unrealistic. This sounds too smart, diplomatic and non-confrontational to even be considered by an identity politics group from either side.

Yes because "black lives matter" is confrontational 

fuckouttahere

[benjipwns]

It's a bit weird that there don't seem to be any outspoken trans men around, then again no one seems to give a fuck about which bathroom they use.

there was that one a couple years ago that got pregnant from the UK or whatever, and relatively few people actually freaked out about it and they went away

meanwhile catilyn jenner has people still freaking out about her, and the weirdest part of that to me is that nobody is freaked out because of who she's always been, i mean bruce jenner was nuts man, you can't fool me by changing your gender...although i do admit i like the part where a lot of the people still raging over her forget she's still super Christian and a longtime Republican and loved Ted Cruz, and supported and still supports Trump, she didn't change any of that with her gender until this last year, and it's mostly all trying to get Trump to shift back to his once moderate stances, she's not abandoning him or the party, she almost ran for Senate ffs

i think there's an aspect of the whole THEY'RE ACTUALLY MEN thing to it, like the gay panic, there's this fear that men are so fucked up they'll be gay or turn into women just to get their kink on

[benjipwns]

i seriously just tried to think of a famous trans man that wasn't buck angel and i couldn't, so i loaded up wikipedia's page and the second person listed is fucking buck angel

i only immediately knew one another name on the list (ironically, much like bruce jenner, someone i'm most familiar with due to The Soup)

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chaz bono

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[benjipwns]

found one for PD, only averaged 6.3 ppg on 38%FG for their NCAA career though:

[benjipwns]

Willmer M. Broadnax (December 28, 1916[1] – June 1, 1992),[2][3] also known as "Little Ax", "Wilbur", "Willie", and "Wilmer", was a transgender American hard gospel quartet singer.

In 1950, Broadnax joined the Spirit of Memphis Quartet. Along with Broadnax, the group featured two other leads -- Jethro "Jet" Bledsoe, a bluesy crooner, and Silas Steele, an overpowering baritone. The Spirit of Memphis Quartet recorded for King Records, and Broadnax appeared on their releases at least until 1952. Shortly after that, he moved on, working with The Fairfield Four, and in the early 1960s as one of the replacements for Archie Brownlee in the Five Blind Boys of Mississippi. Until 1965 he headed a quartet called "Little Ax and the Golden Echoes," which released some singles on Peacock Records.

Upon his death in 1992, it was discovered that Broadnax was assigned female at birth.

The judge had the perfect solution for a woman who killed the man she said had been tormenting her for several years: Stay away from men.

"I think she is a good woman," Common Pleas Judge Lisa Richette said of Lavina Richardson, 42, who stabbed 72-year-old Wilmer Broadnax to death last May 23.

"I don't think she is vicious. I think he (Broadnax) drove her crazy," Richette said.

The judge suggested that Richardson "stay away from older men. Stay away

from men - period. I think you are a perfect candidate for victimization."

Richette found Richardson, of the Tasker Homes project in South Philadelphia, guilty of involuntary manslaughter yesterday, telling her, ''Being a victim of a battered-woman syndrome does not give you a license to kill." Sentencing was deferred.

good god, why is this last part not on the wikipedia entry which gives you the impression he just died from old age or something, not something more befitting hard gospel star WILLIE LITTLE AXE

[Assimilate]

I can't keep up with benji

someone send me cliff notes.

[benjipwns]

excelsiorlef is really taking this hard....fifteen minute span:

So what.

Literally so what.

Btw trans women internalize a lot of the media and social messages women get before they transition.

Edit Wait! Btw you're talking about trans men. Trans men do benefit from male privilege

Men in dresses and all that is about trans women not trans men

Just in case someone really doubted what the person whose tweet JK liked meant when she called us men in dresses

Trans women don't identify as men in dresses.

It's notable that Rowling made no tweet to express support of trans women. She's been on twitter since.

Were it a true mistake I'd want to just send a message to reassure my trans fans.

Nothing.

If it was an accident I'm thinking liking it was the mistake not approving to content.

Like I'd be mortified if I thought I made an entire group of fans think I hated them. People who grew up on my work.

I'd make a fucking tweet. I'd tell them it was a mistake and I love them.

I wouldn't send my publicist out to say oops, not even unlike the tweet first and pretend nothing happened

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what kind of nut would make that many posts in such a short period of time about one subject?!?

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[benjipwns]

Which one of you alt-right nazis is this: Member has been permanently banned for transphobic content and history of transphobic content.

[Momo]

I watch everything with Bret because he was hilarious in WCW

douche bag to all, hero in Canada WCW Bret is my favorite Bret.

[thisismyusername]

Valhalla Nights was never going to survive the Rowling thread.

Christ, the OP (poster not unexpected) wants to lay bombs on Rowling for liking something in a tweet.

And the argument was well maybe she didn't read the entire article (as that piece was at the end), or maybe a like wasn't an agreement, etc... And maybe that could have been argued, maybe she did deserve the benefit of the doubt.

But this one:

Tweet error (does not exist)

https://twitter.com/shonfaye/status/976470639790915585

I get why Rowling would like that one. Even if I don't necessarily agree with the whole message, certain segments of LGBT do get preferential treatment from the "broscolist" sect. I wouldn't necessarily say it's "transphobic" just because she liked some elements of a message speaking as/to a cis-woman.

I'm totally ignoring the Tweet'ers possibility of harassment and sticking with just the tweet itself.

[clothedmacuser]

It's a bit weird that there don't seem to be any outspoken trans men around, then again no one seems to give a fuck about which bathroom they use.

there was that one a couple years ago that got pregnant from the UK or whatever, and relatively few people actually freaked out about it and they went away

I just recall everyone being pissed once they found out he was trans.

 

We all wanted a Junior situation



lol, emma thompson.

[benjipwns]

wow, that vahalla nights ban might be one of the GOAT: https://www.resetera.com/posts/5896797/

User Banned (Duration Pending): Repeatedly claiming moral authority over transgender issues, disingenuously playing the victim, and setting the terms for discussion surrounding marginalized groups.

[clothedmacuser]

excel jr. here.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/5902849/

The tweet is transphobic.

This must be what it feels like when someone gaslights you.  They just keep saying "you are wrong," or asserting things without explaining anything.

[Huff]

I like this because of the amazing opening shot combined with this being an official preview from TLC. They open with tha goodz.

they should give everyone on this show a peaceful death. its what i would want

[benjipwns]

What's going on with Dumbledore?

Well, picture a woman who makes her work progressive post-completion, pats herself on the back for it rousingly, and then is forced to actually write in those progressive themes.

Do you A) Shut up and do it, or B) Act as if it's irrelevant and ignore it quietly

No prizes for guessing correctly.

lol like it was all Rowling doing the backpatting for that rather than probably these same dorks before they got truly woke

[kingv]

Excel is so annoying because at one point in her life she had a taste of that sweet male privelege and so she’s accustomed to everyone putting up with her whiney bullshit

It's a bit weird that there don't seem to be any outspoken trans men around, then again no one seems to give a fuck about which bathroom they use.

It's definitely different, but also trans men pass like a motherfucker. There's tons of boyish looking men in real life, so I don't know that they have that much to get mad about, really.

Also, there doesn't seem as much drive among trans men to be accepted "As men". Also, what dude is going to complain about having to go use the women's restroom?!

[Cream]

Excel is so annoying because at one point in her life she had a taste of that sweet male privelege and so she’s accustomed to everyone putting up with her whiney bullshit

It's a bit weird that there don't seem to be any outspoken trans men around, then again no one seems to give a fuck about which bathroom they use.

It's definitely different, but also trans men pass like a motherfucker. There's tons of boyish looking men in real life, so I don't know that they have that much to get mad about, really.

Also, there doesn't seem as much drive among trans men to be accepted "As men". Also, what dude is going to complain about having to go use the women's restroom?!

 You don’t know what you’re talking about transmen absolutely struggle and desire to be taken seriously as men

[thisismyusername]

I wouldn't think anybody that high-profile person in the YA literary world would consciously attach themselves to that tweet.

I mean Rowling is a hardcore liberal (or conservative, I don't really follow her to really know 100%) but at the same time has conservative leanings given her "made myself rich" along with hard-line females-aren't-taken-seriously opinions (which I don't blame her on that later part for). It's been known for ages. So I don't get why people are suddenly surprised simply because she made Dumbledore gay that she's all 100% sunshine and rainbows.

Excel is so annoying because at one point in her life she had a taste of that sweet male privelege and so she’s accustomed to everyone putting up with her whiney bullshit

It's a bit weird that there don't seem to be any outspoken trans men around, then again no one seems to give a fuck about which bathroom they use.

It's definitely different, but also trans men pass like a motherfucker. There's tons of boyish looking men in real life, so I don't know that they have that much to get mad about, really.

Also, there doesn't seem as much drive among trans men to be accepted "As men". Also, what dude is going to complain about having to go use the women's restroom?!

 You don’t know what you’re talking about transmen absolutely struggle and desire to be taken seriously as men

Please do expand on this as a non-crazy Cindi. I don't have a lot of trans people in my life (despite knowing a few gay/straight folks that have them in their family). So I wouldn't honestly know the struggles of FTM or MTF.

[benjipwns]

Don't have heroes.

Except dead ones.

Like Bob Ross, Fred Rogers, or Abraham Lincoln. All fine heroes.

FDR, Einstein, Hawking's....

JK sounds like a lot of people who end up making a ton of money when they had none before, it can really make you shitty and kill any empathy you had for others.

wait until they find out what Lincoln and FDR thought, wrote and said about...well anyone who wasn't a rich white male

and what Fred Rogers used to do to those Vietnamese boys

[thisismyusername]

Real talk though: If you're following Rowling (or anyone else) and don't unfollow them over their politics, you should expect to know what you're getting and accepting of it.

Like: I follow William Gibson and he's super-liberal and posts about US Politics despite being American-Canadian (moved there in the 1960's IIRC?), so if you know that background on the author and their views/etc. it's not hard to see why Gibson (and others) would post about social healthcare/etc.

[benjipwns]

I mean Rowling is a hardcore liberal (or conservative, I don't really follow her to really know 100%) but at the same time has conservative leanings given her "made myself rich" along with hard-line females-aren't-taken-seriously opinions (which I don't blame her on that later part for). It's been known for ages. So I don't get why people are suddenly surprised simply because she made Dumbledore gay that she's all 100% sunshine and rainbows.

She's said lots of stuff over the years, including that she's a socialist, but she's really New Labour*. Which is more or less the same thing as our Democratic Party especially once you account for pre-existing differences from the 1980s and earlier between the two systems.

She's taken shots at Donald Trump on twitter, but who hasn't at this point? Me, for one. True story.

*Actually she's a Gordon Brown acolyte/groupee back to the 1990s apparently, which is like being a Clinton groupee imo. Rich people who like people who produce "policy papers" and use all the right talking points at global shindigs.

[railGUN]

You're upset because you're good people as far as I've seen and you weren't treated that way or given a fair shot from what you describe. I have a little experience with that too, as it happens.

Come on home and stay as long as you'd like here. Every good poster who participates in discussions here does that much more to rebuild a solid foundation for years to come that we can all appreciate the end results of.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-current-state-of-discussion.1461180/page-3#post-253218522

 

[Tasty]

All JK needs to do is put in a hot Jude Law gay sex scene in Fantastic Beasts 2 or 3 and everyone will be back on her side.

Me definitely included.

[thisismyusername]

I mean Rowling is a hardcore liberal (or conservative, I don't really follow her to really know 100%) but at the same time has conservative leanings given her "made myself rich" along with hard-line females-aren't-taken-seriously opinions (which I don't blame her on that later part for). It's been known for ages. So I don't get why people are suddenly surprised simply because she made Dumbledore gay that she's all 100% sunshine and rainbows.

She's said lots of stuff over the years, including that she's a socialist, but she's really New Labour*. Which is more or less the same thing as our Democratic Party especially once you account for pre-existing differences from the 1980s and earlier between the two systems.

She's taken shots at Donald Trump on twitter, but who hasn't at this point? Me, for one. True story.

*Actually she's a Gordon Brown acolyte/groupee back to the 1990s apparently, which is like being a Clinton groupee imo. Rich people who like people who produce "policy papers" and use all the right talking points at global shindigs.

I don't know the UK terms for her politics, but yeah. She's "democrat-leaning" but has some conservative tendencies. Some of that may be upbringing, some of that may be experience, some of that may be just her making it big after being on literal welfare due to Harry Potter's success.

Either way, she's not going to be 100% progressive, so I don't get why people are so shocked that she isn't 100% on board with the LGBT agenda(s).

[benjipwns]

Not this one?
User banned (1 week): downplaying transphobia

I disagree. I think you're cherry-picking your facts to support a staunch belief that she is transphobic.

Blame her for liking the tweet, I won't argue with you there. But asserting that she is transphobic based on that tweet is nonsense. It says more about her dislike for elements of the Labour party than her hate for trans people.

 He's basically just saying that she might not necessarily be transphobic for a certain reasoning, but says you can blame her for liking the tweet.

 Like, where in the fuck are they downplaying transphobia 

The same logic happened earlier:

Are you basically advocating that it's ok to be racist in private? 'Cause it sure as hell does read like it.

Yes I do. Not in a sense that it's moral thing to do, but in a sense that it's a right that every person holds.

User Banned (Duration Pending): Advocating racism
https://www.resetera.com/posts/5880368/

Having a right to your own subjective conscious experience in 2018 

Better is that the ban suggests they confuse not criminalizing something as the same thing as advocating in favor for it. ("Not in a sense that it's moral thing to do, but in a sense that it's a right" = "Advocating racism.")

Similar to drug warriors, fundamentalist homophobes, etc.

[Tasty]

I mean Rowling is a hardcore liberal (or conservative, I don't really follow her to really know 100%) but at the same time has conservative leanings given her "made myself rich" along with hard-line females-aren't-taken-seriously opinions (which I don't blame her on that later part for). It's been known for ages. So I don't get why people are suddenly surprised simply because she made Dumbledore gay that she's all 100% sunshine and rainbows.

She's said lots of stuff over the years, including that she's a socialist, but she's really New Labour*. Which is more or less the same thing as our Democratic Party especially once you account for pre-existing differences from the 1980s and earlier between the two systems.

She's taken shots at Donald Trump on twitter, but who hasn't at this point? Me, for one. True story.

*Actually she's a Gordon Brown acolyte/groupee back to the 1990s apparently, which is like being a Clinton groupee imo. Rich people who like people who produce "policy papers" and use all the right talking points at global shindigs.

I don't know the UK terms for her politics, but yeah. She's "democrat-leaning" but has some conservative tendencies. Some of that may be upbringing, some of that may be experience, some of that may be just her making it big after being on literal welfare due to Harry Potter's success.

Either way, she's not going to be 100% progressive, so I don't get why people are so shocked that she isn't 100% on board with the LGBT agenda(s).

Liberal purity tests, that's why.

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm guessing Rowling is a TERF right. I understand some of their arguments. Trans women usually grow up with the privilege that comes with the perception of being male, they don't really know what it's like to grow up as a woman etc. Not to mention the issue of lesbians having no interest in women with male genitals, and the "problematic" nature of that. On the flip side they have some pretty distinguished mentally-challenged and offensive views on trans people being predators looking to exploit the system to abuse real women. Trans women aren't really out here abusing anyone, brehettes.


I get why women might feel upset or threatened by a male-looking trans woman taking a shower with her. But still.

[Assimilate]

a big reason i can't stand a ton of these fucking people is because they come up with these stupid acronyms to make it easier to lob it at people.

"you're being a TERF"

that's when someone should get punched in the mouth. say yeah i'm a terf and then BAM, to the face.  some people simply need to get knocked the fuck out, it's the only way.

I get why women might feel upset or threatened by a male-looking trans woman taking a shower with her. But still.

Stitch a cock to your forehead and then demand people sit across the dinner table from you. If they don't, they're bigots.

[benjipwns]

The English Commonwealth politics all lean slightly to sometimes quite far socially conservative to where we'd expect a similar political spot based on all their other positions in the U.S.

In Canada, for example, both the NDP and Liberals have struggled with "prairie socialists" who want to nationalize everything that moves and also lock up the gays and ban all immigrants. Labour in the UK has similar pockets of "social conservatism" though part of that is the ideology of Toryism in general that dominates commonwealth politics.

American social conservatism has always been a populist, more grassroots thing, where the elites became elites because of their views/positions (i.e. megachurches) rather than being long time social elites which Toryism is based around.

Rowling and others like her are less "trans are godless heathens!" firebreathers than they are tut-tutting at how uncouth it is. Not gone through the proper channels it hasn't.

Canadian political scientists sometimes talk about this whole Tory elite notion as what's saved their nation from becoming an anarchic hellscape like exists everywhere to the south (and in Quebec) in the Western Hemisphere.

[benjipwns]

that's when someone should get punched in the mouth. say yeah i'm a terf and then BAM, to the face.  some people simply need to get knocked the fuck out, it's the only way.

Look Assimilate agrees with many trans-activists!

[Assimilate]

that's when someone should get punched in the mouth. say yeah i'm a terf and then BAM, to the face.  some people simply need to get knocked the fuck out, it's the only way.

Look Assimilate agrees with many trans-activists!

Really? There's transwomen out there swinging ? I gotta see that 

[benjipwns]

random google link for example: http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/09/21/terf-isnt-slur-hate-speech/

Men with large platforms who are publicly associated with Antifa and groups like the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) have amplified the “punch TERFs” and “TERFs get the guillotine” message proudly, with the support of their comrades.

TERFS GET THE WALL

[seagrams hotsauce]

At least they're not getting Ummagumma

[Assimilate]

random google link for example: http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/09/21/terf-isnt-slur-hate-speech/

Men with large platforms who are publicly associated with Antifa and groups like the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) have amplified the “punch TERFs” and “TERFs get the guillotine” message proudly, with the support of their comrades.

TERFS GET THE WALL

Exactly what you'd expect. Skinny little online dudes being tough against 60 year old women 

[Momo]

Real talk though: If you're following Rowling (or anyone else) and don't unfollow them over their politics, you should expect to know what you're getting and accepting of it.

I've unfollowed a bunch of donks for going on tirades about politics, I follow indie musicians, sportsmen and mostly entertainment folk, think I want to hear your shit ideas about politics in a country I dont even live in? Even worse, why would I continue to follow a BRITISH musician that goes on tirades about US politics? Had to unfollow a donk who's music I like quite a bit recently over this

[etiolate]

I'm guessing Rowling is a TERF right. I understand some of their arguments. Trans women usually grow up with the privilege that comes with the perception of being male, they don't really know what it's like to grow up as a woman etc. Not to mention the issue of lesbians having no interest in women with male genitals, and the "problematic" nature of that. On the flip side they have some pretty distinguished mentally-challenged and offensive views on trans people being predators looking to exploit the system to abuse real women. Trans women aren't really out here abusing anyone, brehettes.


I get why women might feel upset or threatened by a male-looking trans woman taking a shower with her. But still.

yah but still fuck rape victims amirite

you have no idea whats going on in your own god damned brain

[seagrams hotsauce]

you constant fall back to that shit whenever you don't have shit else to say. "you don't understand" "you just don't get it" "you don't have the galaxy brain it takes to comprehend this" get a new song bitch

[etiolate]

I get shit that you don't. No whining will fix that for you.

"YOU YOU YOU KEEP SAYING I DON'T GET IT"

right

and the audience at home knows it too

[seagrams hotsauce]

you don't though. you're just another sophistic blowhard who vastly overestimates his own intellect. you're a fuckin' mark who jumps at any con thrown your way cuz you're dumb as shit

[Assimilate]

you don't though. you're just another sophistic blowhard who vastly overestimates his own intellect. you're a fuckin' mark who jumps at any con thrown your way cuz you're dumb as shit

I've never seen you say anything remotely interesting in here, either that i agree with or don't. But with a beak like that you really don't have to

    Mr Beaks.
 

[Momo]

stealing toku's format

Small Brain: annoying etiolate because you dont understand what he's on about
World Brain: debating etiolate on merit and annoying him
Galaxy Brain: understanding etiolate and misrepresenting his points to annoy him
Cosmic Brain: not even trying and just agitating on sight

[I'm a Puppy!]

TERFs =

[etiolate]

etiolate brain: they all die alone in their own wading pool of piss *shrug*

[I'm a Puppy!]

Reading all of etoilet's posts in Shrek's voice.

[clothedmacuser]

you constant fall back to that shit whenever you don't have shit else to say. "you don't understand" "you just don't get it" "you don't have the galaxy brain it takes to comprehend this" get a new song bitch

Excelciorif and etioliate are made for eachother.  They would hate fuck each other on sight.

[team filler]

the return of beak talk in posts 

[agrajag]

the return of beak talk in posts 

I think Cream may be interested in beaking

[Momo]

the return of beak talk in posts 

I'm just going to assume this is about Donald duck sexfics.

[benjipwns]

as the resident expert, jack, do you think i would even make it through the account queue?

i could probably get back on NeoGAF.com and never get banned since there's no threads to post in

[team filler]

the return of beak talk in posts 

I'm just going to assume this is about Donald duck sexfics.

why is seagrams called mr beaks, the world may never know

[Momo]

We should all go back to neogaf and post strange threads and be positive and enthusiastic about it, things like smearing liver paste on your face and see if people go along as they are trained to.

[benjipwns]

is there a my 600lb life thread there?

[curly]

and the audience at home knows it too

the amazing thing is that you believe this despite all the evidence pointing in the opposite direction

[I'm a Puppy!]

is there a my 600lb life thread there?

Besada doesn't post here anymore Benji.

[etiolate]

you aren't the audience gutterbitch

[kingv]

is there a my 600lb life thread there?

Besada doesn't post here anymore Benji.

 

[benjipwns]

How were your PoliGAF interactions with Cerium?

avoided that weirdo robot

half the mods they've run through thought i was a troll and a good chunk of the posters never believed i actually held libertarian/anarchist views that it's just some shtick, and pigeon apparently seems to think i've gone off the deep end into the alt-right for some reason

also besada and bobby warned them about my hate machine months ago so i assume there's some kind of list

plus the mods read this thread so

i was more wondering if the admins just wave people through, and then the instant you post someone realizes you're there and takes action

[jorma]

I don't think TERF's are transphobic, really. They just hate men so much that they aren't going to let one get away and escape the culling by transforming into a woman.