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[stufte]

check again

yep, still 27.8M

and it's 27.8M on my phone.

Buy a new phone

DONE! I'll keep you updated on his follower count once the amazon delivery arrives.

[etiolate]

I wouldn't use or discuss toxic femininity. It's a ridiculous concept.

The way these terms are invented and then misused are not unrelated. They are designed to be misused. They have some weak, safe version of themselves while being designed to go far beyond that and into dangerous territory. They are created with rubber banding interpretation.

You could talk about anything worthwhile within the concept of "toxic masculinity" without using that term. Hell, people have for many, many years in far better ways. We're discussing failures of individuals.

[stufte]

check again

yep, still 27.8M

and it's 27.8M on my phone.

clear your cookies. I just checked it, 18.7M

did that, still 27.8M. your shit is glitched.

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/989237729966768128

[Mr Gilhaney]

9 mil snowflakes, that can't handle free independent thoughts.

[agrajag]

check again

yep, still 27.8M

and it's 27.8M on my phone.

clear your cookies. I just checked it, 18.7M

did that, still 27.8M. your shit is glitched.

nah. I never looked at his twitter before, my pc is less biased

[Nola]

Oh look, etiolate and Optimus are getting triggered by feminism and issues of intersectionality again, must be Wednesday....Or any other day of the week.

[Broseidon]

check again

yep, still 27.8M

and it's 27.8M on my phone.

clear your cookies. I just checked it, 18.7M

did that, still 27.8M. your shit is glitched.

 

[Nabbis]

Never saw a person in real life talk about toxic masculinity or femininity. It's always these NEET fuckwards on the internet or some "social studies" garbage science taking it to vocal proportions.

[agrajag]

that 1 person's name....

Donald J. Trump

[Great Rumbler]

check again

yep, still 27.8M

and it's 27.8M on my phone.

clear your cookies. I just checked it, 18.7M

did that, still 27.8M. your shit is glitched.

Nah, it's definitely changed in the past few minutes. When I first brought up his Twitter page it was showing 27.8m, but after refreshing it's at 18.7m.

[marrec]

Never saw a person in real life talk about toxic masculinity or femininity. It's always these NEET fuckwards on the internet or some "social studies" garbage science taking it to vocal proportions.

Do y'all think there's nothing toxic about how society treats masculinity tho?

I'm breaking kayfabe here and asking for real

[etiolate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kanye/comments/8ewkfe/kanyes_political_views_megathread_moderated_once/

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[Joe Molotov]

check again

yep, still 27.8M

and it's 27.8M on my phone.

clear your cookies. I just checked it, 18.7M

did that, still 27.8M. your shit is glitched.

Clear out your toxic masculinity.

[Optimus]

you are missing the point as to why its only toxic masculinity

and not toxic femininity or whatever

This specific is no accident.

No  didn't miss that at all, but thanks for doing that thing you do.

I'm talking about the term as a concept;  while also identifying that some people who use the term are people I don't agree with.  Some are man-hating assholes too.   

You are welcome to discuss toxic femininity too;  I'm sure you might get some push back, not ignoring that.  But either way I'd be curious what you think society is suffering from due to "toxic femininity." 

The term as a concept CLEARLY targets men. You're being intellectually dishonest and you fucking know it, you're using a transparently dishonest definition of the phrase, a definition that has been whitewashed so that people like you can still pretend it's about equality or some shit.

I dunno, maybe 80% of violent crimes being committed by men?  Worldwide some 90% of murders?  Most victims are men too which is another conversation to have,  but it likely ties back to how men are taught to solve problems.. you know.. the concept I'm discussing.

Most inventions, most of the progress in the world, most heroic actions, most revolutions started against totalitarians, also were done by men. So I am coining the term "Useless Femininity", no no no no wait, it's not derogatory against women, it's talking about societal problems in general, you might THINK it's targeting women but let's not focus on titles, it's about equality!

[Optimus]

Anyone believing that 9 fucking million followers left in a few mins is a fucking idiot. Either twitter is glitching hard or because Kanye is against the narrative the Trust And Safety board removed his bots.

[etiolate]

What are the influences riotous?

[Kurt Russell]

Anyone believing that 9 fucking million followers left in a few mins is a fucking idiot. Either twitter is glitching hard or because Kanye is against the narrative the Trust And Safety board removed his bots.

I'm guessing he got added to a blockbot.

[etiolate]

Anyone believing that 9 fucking million followers left in a few mins is a fucking idiot. Either twitter is glitching hard or because Kanye is against the narrative the Trust And Safety board removed his bots.

I'm guessing he got added to a blockbot.

This would be primo

[Optimus]

The term as a concept CLEARLY targets men. You're being intellectually dishonest and you fucking know it, you're using a transparently dishonest definition of the phrase, a definition that has been whitewashed so that people like you can still pretend it's about equality or some shit.

It targets the influences men have;  as a means to improve these influences for the betterment of.. men.  I'm a man and don't feel targeted because I'm not a thin skinned distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

You're an Social Studies Warrior, of course you're a thin skinned distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. And lol at the "influences they have". Men and women had these traits and problems since the beginning of the species, it's instinct you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellows not an ideology you can just refute.

[marrec]

Arguing over Kanye losing followers might be the lowest point of this thread.

Fuckwits in this thread would argue over anything if the end goal was owning ERA and/or libs.

[Kurt Russell]

Why is it that left wing buzzwords are always ambiguous as fuck and impossible to quantify? At what point does masculinity cross over into toxic-masculinity? What's the difference? How does one spot it? If there's no difference then surely that means toxic masculinity = masculinity and therefore the phrase is completely redundant?

[Transhuman]

You are welcome to discuss toxic femininity too;  I'm sure you might get some push back, not ignoring that.  But either way I'd be curious what you think society is suffering from due to "toxic femininity."

For starters, lying about being raped to save face socially or out of spite, slut-shaming other women, catfighting (aka yelling at the cashier at Wafflehouse over 50 cents).

Some of that can be attributed to the way a lot of girls are raised to see promiscuity as a weakness or that promiscuous women have less "value" and that they should be focusing on finding a relationship.

If there's a "toxic masculinity" it's due to the way boys are led to believe they should behave in society, but girls are conditioned too, it just expresses differently

[REDPILLALPH ABIGCOCK]

Arguing over Kanye losing followers might be the lowest point of this thread.

Fuckwits in this thread would argue over anything if the end goal was owning ERA and/or libs.

If I wanted to own ERA I'd offer Cerium a taco bell gift card

[Nola]

Why is it that left wing buzzwords are always ambiguous as fuck and impossible to quantify? At what point does masculinity cross over into toxic-masculinity? What's the difference? How does one spot it? If there's no difference then surely that means toxic masculinity = masculinity and therefore the phrase is completely redundant?

Google does exist you know?

[marrec]

Why is it that left wing buzzwords are always ambiguous as fuck and impossible to quantify? At what point does masculinity cross over into toxic-masculinity? What's the difference? How does one spot it? If there's no difference then surely that means toxic masculinity = masculinity and therefore the phrase is completely redundant?

I mean, shit like "boys don't cry" is certainly toxic to kids growing up. Our cultures insistence on aggressive sexual advances being the norm for men.

You bundle up a lot of toxic shit boys get raised to believe and you end up with incels dweebs.

But like any nebulous social science bullshit it's going to be nearly incomprehensible beyond the most obvious shit unless you went to school to study it.

[Optimus]

Why is it that left wing buzzwords are always ambiguous as fuck and impossible to quantify? At what point does masculinity cross over into toxic-masculinity? What's the difference? How does one spot it? If there's no difference then surely that means toxic masculinity = masculinity and therefore the phrase is completely redundant?

Don't put the Left in the same category as these imbeciles, these pseudo-intellectual terms that often try to mimic scientific terms to seem more legit are exclusively an intersectional/modern feminist trait.

[Nabbis]

Never saw a person in real life talk about toxic masculinity or femininity. It's always these NEET fuckwards on the internet or some "social studies" garbage science taking it to vocal proportions.

Do y'all think there's nothing toxic about how society treats masculinity tho?

I'm breaking kayfabe here and asking for real

There are, but im an adult with a life outside the internet and deal with far more relevant issues that have a direct effect on my life than some abstract cultural traditions that don't even have a unified definition, even by the people who are constantly whining against it.

[etiolate]

What are the influences riotous?

Gender role expectations;  classic ones named are often men being called pussies if they show certain emotions, cry, etc..  internalizing these emotions is then further compounded by men being expected to be more violent.  Also a man's self worth being tied to how attractive their mates are is another one.

"Masculinity" in the context of "toxic masculinity" is meant to refer to societal expectations on men; the idea is that the men themselves would not be "toxic" without these influences, which is why it's not bigoted.   The idea being to improve society by changing societies expectation of what it means to be "a man" and what a positive male example is.

And yes, individual failures are obviously a factor.. but pretending society, how we are raised, and being raised male vs. female doesn't effect the chances of individual failures is really ignorant.

Biology influences culture. Gender expectations are not a coincidence. This all sounds like social constructionist thought which has little worth these days.

You may find that every negative attribute you find is intertwined with a positive attribute associated to the same source and that these positive and negative attributes are very uneasily separated.  You're trying to change thousands of years of social evolution on one side. That's a huge task and you're likely failing if you don't address the feminine side either, because these "toxic masculinities" might get guys laid and get girls interest.

[Kurt Russell]

Why is it that left wing buzzwords are always ambiguous as fuck and impossible to quantify? At what point does masculinity cross over into toxic-masculinity? What's the difference? How does one spot it? If there's no difference then surely that means toxic masculinity = masculinity and therefore the phrase is completely redundant?

Google does exist you know?

See? I would accuse you of toxic masculinity, but I'm quite old fashioned, so I'm content to just call you a grade A douche nozzle.

[Nola]

Why is it that left wing buzzwords are always ambiguous as fuck and impossible to quantify? At what point does masculinity cross over into toxic-masculinity? What's the difference? How does one spot it? If there's no difference then surely that means toxic masculinity = masculinity and therefore the phrase is completely redundant?

Google does exist you know?

See? I would accuse you of toxic masculinity, but I'm quite old fashioned, so I'm content to just call you a grade A douche nozzle.

Because you are a lazy fuckwit railing against concepts you admit you haven't even bothered to understand?

[Kurt Russell]

Why is it that left wing buzzwords are always ambiguous as fuck and impossible to quantify? At what point does masculinity cross over into toxic-masculinity? What's the difference? How does one spot it? If there's no difference then surely that means toxic masculinity = masculinity and therefore the phrase is completely redundant?

Google does exist you know?

See? I would accuse you of toxic masculinity, but I'm quite old fashioned, so I'm content to just call you a grade A douche nozzle.

Because you are a lazy fuckwit railing against concepts you admit you haven't even bothered to understand?

No, because you're a grade A douche nozzle. I thought I was quite clear about that.

[Optimus]

Why is it that left wing buzzwords are always ambiguous as fuck and impossible to quantify? At what point does masculinity cross over into toxic-masculinity? What's the difference? How does one spot it? If there's no difference then surely that means toxic masculinity = masculinity and therefore the phrase is completely redundant?

I mean, shit like "boys don't cry" is certainly toxic to kids growing up. Our cultures insistence on aggressive sexual advances being the norm for men.

You bundle up a lot of toxic shit boys get raised to believe and you end up with incels dweebs.

But like any nebulous social science bullshit it's going to be nearly incomprehensible beyond the most obvious shit unless you went to school to study it.

Men being tough and sexually aggressive gives an evolutionary advantage. You people really are out of touch with reality and, you know, basic scientific facts. This isn't something men are being brainwashed by society to do, it's something we're born with. Well, most of us.

Taking these traits too far to the point it disrupts society is obviously a problem, but listening to you people someone would think that men are just being convinced by society to have these traits.

[etiolate]

Don't take the extreme ends of a population and develop a theory that society is behind the extremes and that society must be corrected.

Society tries to protect against the extremes for its own survival, but extremes, by their nature, are hard to insulate yourself from.

[etiolate]

t_d made this

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[Optimus]

Taking these traits too far to the point it disrupts society is obviously a problem

lol

That's essentially toxic masculinity. 

I totally agree that a lot of this is natural;  the fact you think it's purely instinct and not something that can be influenced is the anti-science crap though.

Like... take 2 dogs and raise them differently, see how differently they act.  DERP

If that's toxic masculinity then feminism is clearly targeting men given the exclusive focus on men and male traits going too far.

[Jenkem]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-4chan-finally-getting-the-investigation-it-deserves-posting-shut-off-for-48-hours.38527/

this thread is already great. Bonus appearance already.

what are they talking about? they said it got shutdown yesterday (which was true, no one could post overnight) but they said it got shut down again but I just looked at /pol/ and the latest post was from a second ago..

[thisismyusername]

>4chan down
>Is still up
>Able to post

Mmmmhmmm. Okay, shitposters.

[Transhuman]

Slut shaming is a good one;  I think some lying about being raped is tied to that too. 

But.. expectations that women not be promiscuous, while perpetrated by women a lot, generally can be sourced back to men and patriarchies.  Religions created by men often at the root. 

But still good examples;  I'm sure some toxic masculinity has been influenced by women too.

I always took "toxic masculinity" to mean that the idea of what it meant to be "masculine" had intrinsic negative consequences to society, not that it was refering to who was to blame (although since a male-dominated household was the norm throughout history, the argument could be made that it is men's "fault").

I mean, shit like "boys don't cry" is certainly toxic to kids growing up. Our cultures insistence on aggressive sexual advances being the norm for men.

The trouble is, being assertive can be great, until it reaches that point where it's harassment. And being stoic about your emotions so you can do thankless and gruelling labour like farming or construction was beneficial to society until the last century.

[Jenkem]

also acting like they shut down 4chan so law enforcement could get data from it instead of the numerous LEA and glow in the dark types that browse the website anyways 

[etiolate]

Obviously incel dweebs are extreme; there's plenty of problems to be addressed well outside of the extremes though.

This is the trick that you aren't realizing is a trick. You are taking the long developed control of extremes and mistaking it for the cause of them.

This is the same as the rubber banding interpretation issue with a term like toxic masculinity. These things are designed to overlap in ways they should not. There is resentment and evil in their intent.

Even within an incel community, there are few who act out in a way harmful to others. If you realize that you're dealing with the reject outlier of a reject outlier group that is rejecting itself from society at large then what is the answer? These are the people fighting masculinity. They are fighting femininity. What answers are you going to give them? Hookers? Force women into having sex with them? Because the sexual pressure that exists within them isn't being talked away.

[Nabbis]

4chan is the jewel of the internet. The world would be too boring and cathartic without it.

[thisismyusername]

also acting like they shut down 4chan so law enforcement could get data from it instead of the numerous LEA and glow in the dark types that browse the website anyways 

I mean they don't even need to shut it down. If Hiroshim00t is anything like m00t, they'll give the postings and IP address but they'll also say "we have no clue if it's true or not. We don't have concrete data." m00t has been in court like 2-3 times over 4chan postings in the past, so at this point anyone needing the data will be told the same repeated lines.

[Broseidon]

gas this thread

[D3RANG3D]

4chan being down is probably because Hiroshima always breaks the site.

[Jenkem]

lmao at all you fuckin' CACs hatin' Kanye now

he still the goat y'all are little cac bitches oh noooo  he likes something I don't like!! REEEEEEEEE lmao fuckin' CACS
 

[Jenkem]

lmao at all you fuckin' CACs hatin' Kanye now

he still the goat y'all are little cac bitches oh noooo  he likes something I don't like!! REEEEEEEEE lmao fuckin' CACS
 

Nintard and Ye stan. You really are something.

yes I like quality entertainment.

[thisismyusername]

gas this thread

NAZI!!!!!!!!!!

[Nola]

Don't take the extreme ends of a population and develop a theory that society is behind the extremes and that society must be corrected.

You mean like obsessively cherry picking opinions from a small group of lefties on a video game forum and shoe-horning them into broad ad hoc social theories?

Or using that framework as a rationale to catastrophize over diminishing trends on college campuses as some core existential crisis society is letting fester?

[Boredfrom]

This Kanye situation gets a lot better when you realize people from T_D have to pretend to like a Black rapper to "trigger libs".

That is the fun part about it, the complete shallowness of this situation.

[Jenkem]

 

[Boredfrom]

I don’t even dislike Kanye , but always weird me out how defensive his fans were when he did say something stupid or how people tried to give deeper meaning to some of his most shallow actions.

I guess that is why he likes Trump so much.

[Optimus]

Obviously incel dweebs are extreme; there's plenty of problems to be addressed well outside of the extremes though.

This is the trick that you aren't realizing is a trick. You are taking the long developed control of extremes and mistaking it for the cause of them.

This is the same as the rubber banding interpretation issue with a term like toxic masculinity. These things are designed to overlap in ways they should not. There is resentment and evil in their intent.

Even within an incel community, there are few who act out in a way harmful to others. If you realize that you're dealing with the reject outlier of a reject outlier group that is rejecting itself from society at large then what is the answer? These are the people fighting masculinity. They are fighting femininity. What answers are you going to give them? Hookers? Force women into having sex with them? Because the sexual pressure that exists within them isn't being talked away.

Plus focusing on the extremes of certain groups is not only pointless but also hateful and counter-productive. The term toxic masculinity is like making a site called asiancrime.com and claiming that you want to improve society by just focusing on this specific problem. Sure, I guess from a completely naive perspective specialization could be beneficial, in the real world though just imagine what kind of crowd this would attract and how it would actually be used. So in the end the creator of that site would either have to be stupid or malevolent. So I wonder, which one are the people using the term toxic masculinity?

[TVC15]

Golden State Killer caught. He was a true legend.

[agrajag]

TFW when you're vindicated for saying that Kanye is an idiot for years 

[thisismyusername]

213372bu is now the eighth worst poster in this thread.

Whom is the first, bb?

[thisismyusername]

Golden State Killer caught. He was a true legend.

At least someone saw my tweet. I knew you would.

[Optimus]

213372bu is now the eighth worst poster in this thread.

What's my ranking, did I achieve top 3?

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/found-this-great-twitter-thread-about-how-michael-jackson-was-innocent.38565/

Yep. People literally demonized him for years to the point that he needed drugs to sleep and stay sane. It's fucked what happened to Michael Jackson. He was murdered by the media and false accusers.

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[Jenkem]

if you are looking for intelligence, political insight or anything other than musical craft from pop artists then you are already an idiot and probably a CAC