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[Propagandhim]

Jesus, Kaceytron's tits are out of control

[Momo]

I love South Africa threads

I dont. I refuse to participate lol

[etiolate]

I'm not sure they could handle an actual South African talking to them.

[Broseidon]

I'm not sure they could handle an actual South African talking to them.

Who can?

[etiolate]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/julian-assange-loses-his-internet-privileges.32568/

Think you're living in a terrible fascist state and then hate the one guy who routinely exposes government abuse.

[kingv]

I love reading Uber and Tesla threads on REGAF. That’s how you know they’re a bunch of stupid ass fanboys.

Both of these companies are always just about to turn the corner and make gobs of money, yet it’s clear to anyone with a brain that Tesla and Uber both have serious serious financial problems, and very well might go out of business.

That Tesla thread, gamechanger87 is a smart dude that these nikkas should be listening to, but they can’t get past their Steve Jobs like Elon Musk worship to see that Tesla is in an incredibly perilous position.

And Uber is always like 18 months away from replacing all of its drivers with robots, even as it burns through like 2 billion/year.

[Finbarfin]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/julian-assange-loses-his-internet-privileges.32568/

Think you're living in a terrible fascist state and then hate the one guy who routinely exposes government abuse.

The internet left never will forgive Assange for not being one of them despite the fact that he's not American so there's no logical reason he should prefer one American political party over the other at all.

Additionally, all these dumb fucking kids are too young to remember that WikiLeaks is seriously old and used to routinely publish corporate secrets that the media never cared about, 15 years before the DNC leak. We had to read about their shenannigans on fucking Slashdot. That's not even a thing people read now.

I guess, to me, WikiLeaks never seemed like they were in support of any particular political ideology other than making private information publically available, so to see purportedly liberal people lambast them for leaking anything at all is kind of disgusting to me. As far as I'm concerned they are the most true to their goal organization in existence.

[etiolate]

They aren't really liberal though. They're leftists and everything they do is corporate powered. They show up for March for our Lives and don't contemplate all the corporate branding or that this is essentially a celeb grab.

They only liked Assange when he was exposing the other team. They don't understand the cause of transparency and accountability.  They're mad in the same way an angry sports fan thinks the refs only screw his team.

[team filler]

the refs do screw my raidahs 

[etiolate]

I watched the NFL Films top 10 worst Free Agent signings. Half the list were Raider signings and the other half were Browns signings, then #1 was like 7 different Redskin signings. In fact, #1 was just titled "Redskins in Free Agency".

[clothedmacuser]

Our funny pics thread is about as active as theirs.

I'm starting to feel like engaging with and laughing at stupid people on the internet is being killed by the Millenials. 

[jorma]

They aren't really liberal though. They're leftists and everything they do is corporate powered. They show up for March for our Lives and don't contemplate all the corporate branding or that this is essentially a celeb grab.

They only liked Assange when he was exposing the other team. They don't understand the cause of transparency and accountability.  They're mad in the same way an angry sports fan thinks the refs only screw his team.

no they are us liberals, not leftists
you only call them lefties because your political spectrum is thinner than miley cyrus' ass

[Momo]

American political groups are smashed as fuck, you only really have two tribes so you see weird right wing shit in leftist politics and the reverse because fuck it we only have two groups

[railGUN]

I'll transcribe a choice excerpt or two below since the OP doesn't provide much as to the contents of the 80+ minute conversation. It's worth a full watch/listen though. Thanks for sharing it up @Broseybrose .

(timecode)

JP: "Things can turn on a dime, you know. A well organized minority -- even if the majority opposes them, and they do -- a very well-organized minority can have an unbelievably pernicious effect on an organization."

JA: "Margaret Mead's made that point. People change direction when a small group of people decide to change that direction. That's the way history works."

JP: "That's what happened in the universities."

JA: "Let's come back: this issue of the redefining of language, it seems to me that there are two things that people who want to reshape society in brutal ways do. The first is, they start to silence good debate; either silence it or shut it down or whatever. The second thing they do is redefine language so that it's very hard to have a debate. So, diversity -- actually, I mean, there's no other way to put it -- in this country it's coming to mean a stifling conformity you dare not deviate from the line. And you see it with a whole lot of other words that have bandied around -- equality being one of them -- because it's confused. Equality of opportunity is confused with equality of outcome."

(skipping forward a bit) (timecode)

JP: "I think the group identity game ends in blood. Doesn't matter who plays it. Left-wingers play it: blood. Right-wingers play it: blood. And lots of it, not just a little bit. You can't play the identity politics game. Well, so what do you do instead? You live the mythologically heroic life, as an individual. That's the right place to work. And that's the message of the West as far as I'm concerned, is that we figured that out. We figured that the collective identity is not the pinnacle statement. Not that collective identities have no value; obviously, family has value and your organizations have value and all of that. That's not the issue. The issue is: what's the paramount value? What's the metric by which people should be measured? And the answer is: they should be measured as individuals, as if they have a divine soul. They should be measured in that manner."

JA: "But it can't be a selfish thing. That is to say: if I have worth and dignity I'm obliged to recognize it-- and so to you."

JP: "I think you can't recognize that you have worth and dignity without also recognizing it in others. And vice versa; I don't think I can recognize the worth of another person without stumbling onto the idea that I also have to recognize that for myself. When did you think, "well, everyone would want that," but people don't, because you're also charged with the responsibility of your own care, as if you matter. Well, that's a big responsibility! Like, it's a lot easier to assume that everything is pointless -- I mean, that's painful and all of that, but you don't bear any responsibility."

JA: "And no one lives that way."

JP: "Well, not for long."

JA: "Well, not for long, exactly. Do you know Voltaire's biographer -- it wasn't actually Voltaire himself, it was one of of the ladies who wrote one of the many biographies of him in the 1930s -- came up with that adage summarizing his views: "that I may disagree with you, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." There's a couple of things implicit in that that seem to be incredibly important. So, I may disagree with you, but you have dignity and standing and worth, and a right to put your view. That's the first thing: I'm respecting the other person.

JP: "Oh, you should crave it."

JA: "And the second thing it implies is that it's the idea on the table that's important for two reasons. One is we need to have a debate about that and not attack the person who put it there -- show some respect for them. And the second is that it's only by honest debate that you find the best way forward."


My commentary on the above:

Broadly relevant stuff, but also an important conversation to consider wrt NeoGAF specifically and how our capacity for discussion here across most sociopolitical topics became systemically undermined and all but silenced for a time, by movements that tapped into our community's generally very enthusiastically and generously afforded compassion/empathy among each other and people at large. First it was supposed to be in service of surface-benign enough concepts like self-awareness of how your privileges in society differ from the next person's and mindfulness about it in conversation. The problem there of course is that we're on an internet message board where most of us can remain totally anonymous or create whatever persona we choose at any given moment, and it's inherently prejudicial/disrespectful/dehumanizing/inappropriate when those value judgments about apparent privilege are used aggressively on others based on your preconceived notions about them from whatever they're choosing to make known about themselves on a message board (e.g. my avatar of what must surely be an oblivious Oppressor whose disgusting tier 1 privilege must have done all the legwork in life somehow and demands scorn and dismissal by default, as per the unsettling norms for how I was engaged with here throughout 2017). After so many run-ins with people content to play completely made up characters instead of an accurate representation of themselves when on the internet throughout my youth, I find it plenty rational to just think of other people on the internet as amorphous blobs who can use keyboards by default, with the goal being seeing the content of the message before any other consideration about the persona being put forth and not the other way around.

So many people lie whenever it's expedient, but exponentially more so in a consequence-free environment for it like an anonymous message board. The environment is inherently conducive to it if we allow it to be instead of leveraging the format's strengths instead. When anyone's afforded "privilege tiers" that begin to matter more than the content of their statements in debate we're already losing much of our value as a discussion platform, I'd argue, and from there it's a quick vaseline-smothered trip to the bottom of the slippery slope that we certainly slathered up head to toe for. Down at the the bottom, that privilege/oppression hierarchy masquerading as mindfulness and empathy replaces debate altogether, and authoritarian "Correct Positions" on any given subject come to be determined by a small subset of vocal users and/or moderators and enforced by piling on and running dissent off the grounds by angry mobs or trying to prompt moderator intervention, and of course always dismissing dissenting voice as disingenuous or alt-right or failing to check privilege or not appearing sufficiently qualified for the Oppression Olympics to be allowed a voice, etc. etc. etc. It's all at odds with affording a baseline of respect and dignity to each other that absolutely needs to be there to get us to any productive outcomes.

The final nail in meaningful discourse's coffin becomes moderation's eventual full complicity with this by coming to fear those dominant tone-setting personalities' apparent protected status (or bringing them on to moderate, welp...), and unfortunately default behavior gravitates from there toward silencing dissenting voices regardless of the content or validity of what's being put forward as long as its existence dares trigger an angry pile-on against it that the author's not necessarily culpable for. The users become aware of how those pile-ons can lead to dissenting voices being banned if the pile-on is angry and sensationalist enough and then strive to be as angry as they can to help prompt the ban they're aiming for.

It's a weakness of a straightforward linear posting environment, but not an insurmountable one. My policies always discouraged moderating like that and explicitly protected dissenting voices in pile-ons, but when it becomes second nature on a community level to dehumanize anyone at-will and label them a secret alt-right asshole no matter what they're actually saying as soon as they deviate from the Correct Position, welp, a whole lot of "secret disingenuous alt-right assholes" got the boot on those grounds, regrettably. Helps if somewhere in there a saboteur secretly bans almost all the moderate voices in the community who had been trying to make appeals to reason and calm (similar to my own...) within the emerging shitstorm, but I digress. Lessons to learn there all around, not just applied to NeoGAF but looking at NeoGAF as a microcosm of a lot of the emerging status quo on the internet at large and how much this stuff can completely undermine anything we allow it to.

fucking hell, I ain't reading all that. End is pretty  worthy though.

[etiolate]

That's an amazing statement. Somehow Tyler listens to Peterson and continually paints himself as the noble victim.

BUT I DIGRESS

[Jenkem]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/yes-a-woman-in-south-africa-was-convicted-for-strictly-hate-speech.32681/

Why is this a new thread? I thought there was already a thread about this..

[clothedmacuser]

 

He takes Peterson seriously. 

[clothedmacuser]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/yes-a-woman-in-south-africa-was-convicted-for-strictly-hate-speech.32681/

Why is this a new thread? I thought there was already a thread about this..

Lol, Labor in that thread.  Gets called out for making incredibly vague passive statements just so he can get offended when people don't know what he means. 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/yes-a-woman-in-south-africa-was-convicted-for-strictly-hate-speech.32681/

Why is this a new thread? I thought there was already a thread about this..

There were two threads.  The first was closed because the mods said she wasn't arrested for hate speech.  The second was closed because the mods didn't have enough time to consider if the issue was thread worthy.   I wonder if "Threads concerning instances of the government committing injustice against whites can only be made by POC," will become part of the TOS?

[Momo]

He takes Peterson seriously. 

Peterson himself says young men in trouble gravitates towards him, given the internal state of the elf, sounds like a match made in heaven

[MMaRsu]

When someone constantly calls you a n*gger , coon, spic, etc

You really wanna be part of that community?

Don't you use those words in the Black Culture Thread against other users all the time?

 

[thetylerrob]

People that use the hide profile function on Re have to know they're bitches right?

[Jerry]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/who-was-the-most-recent-video-game-character-to-reach-icon-status.32526/

Jesus christ some of these people are so out of touch and sheltered.

Kiryu and Noctis as gaming icons?! 

[Momo]

I'm about to make a noble victim out of the pig that's going to be the crispy bacon on my sammich for lunch

[tummyfat]

“She was probably high on white privilege!”

In fucking South Africa where politicians openly talk about murdering all of the white people and they are seriously considering taking all land belonging to them without compensation

[MMaRsu]

If I get banned for calling out LionPride

 

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6125256/

[bork]

Based on those responses to you, yeah...you're probably gonna get banned.

[seagrams hotsauce]

you deserve it for quoting yourself itt. sad

[Uncle]

If I get banned for calling out LionPride

 

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6125256/

Yeah dude, sorry, you're done.

Before you're gone though would you mind asking that guy with the list what happens if a white guy calls another white guy nicca?  Seems to be the only circumstance he left out.

[Straight Edge]

Can’t decide who is the bigger piece of shit, liopride or deepwater?

[MMaRsu]

If I get banned for calling out the hypocracy of LionPride's posting behaviour that would really be hilarious.

[Momo]

Can’t decide who is the bigger piece of shit, liopride or deepwater?

lionwater

[seagrams hotsauce]

you're really not calling out any hypocrisy bro

[EightBitNate]

So Nate not only jerked it in the room where his sister was sleeping, blasting porn from his iPad speakers, but earlier had made a thread about wanting to fap less? 

This fucking guy. Good to have you here; keep posting.

Good to be here.

[Jerry]

Yeh dude, for once I am not seeing an issue with what lionpride said

[headwalk]

i watched one jordan peterson bit and he started crying after about ten minutes.

not having any of fairy millennial bollocks that in my house.

[Coax]

the hypocracy is huge

huge hypocracy

calling out the hypocracy

If you're going to call it out at least spell it correctly

[MMaRsu]

Sorry im no englisg exerpt

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

This thread seems to have been created with an intentionally misleading OP, so we are closing it to further replies.

They took away Malyse's thread posting privileges too

I made a thread about a woman in South Africa getting up to three years for being a racist.
People read the OP and decided that that was too harsh.
Shao Kahn posts what she actually said, which includes threats of violence.
People start complaining that I was being disingenuous because I said she was getting tossed because of racism instead of violent threats.
(Except she is getting tossed because of racism instead of violent threats.)
I posted from the FAQ where it says to read the OP and the link and where it says not to post the whole article.
Instead of warning the guy who’s bound and determined to call me out, or warning me that my thread is inappropriate or whatever, the thread gets locked. Then the moderator edits in that I can’t make threads anymore some time later.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6116553/

BCT not taking it well

I was so hopeful when this site was first being built that we were going to see a real change from the old place. And then when i saw that they mad Slay (and latter, Beef) a mod. I thought they were serious about real change. But that illusion was shattered within the first month, when admin openly said they didn't give a shit about known posters from the old place, making posts off-site saying they were going to make thread and posts just to start shit.

I think it worse than the old place. At least they didn't insist that things were ever going to be better.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6119152/

[nachobro]

If I get banned for calling out the hypocracy of LionPride's posting behaviour that would really be hilarious.

i look forward to you complaining about how unfair it is and how awful that place is up until the moment you get unbanned and run back there

[Aegis.exe]

I'm more baffled by the fact there's a lot of evidence pointing towards Twitch racism being the issue by ERA posters when the real answer was mostly posted in the OP. Like, I've been in that industry and have been around those isms enough to know what's up, and the idea that twitch chat would box out people compared to the actual myriad of other reasons is pretty absurd. They, uh, have a pretty interesting way of viewing problems like this that boils down to the most apparent form of racism being the ultimate issue.

[Transhuman]

Yeah they fucked over Malyse for no good reason

Would love to see the power struggles going on in the mod forum for such shitty moderation to take place

[thisismyusername]

If I get banned for calling out LionPride

 

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6125256/

At least your banning gives me this post:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-undefeated-asks-why-aren%E2%80%99t-more-black-kids-going-pro-in-esports.32422/page-7#post-6105107

[nachobro]

 

[Dennis]

If I get banned for calling out the hypocracy of LionPride's posting behaviour that would really be hilarious.

i look forward to you complaining about how unfair it is and how awful that place is up until the moment you get unbanned and run back there

Ahaha who would do such a thing

[Dennis]

If I get banned for calling out LionPride

 

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6125256/

At least your banning gives me this post:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-undefeated-asks-why-aren%E2%80%99t-more-black-kids-going-pro-in-esports.32422/page-7#post-6105107

(Image removed from quote.)

The esports and fgc colors look nearly the same to me.

[MMaRsu]

If I get banned for calling out the hypocracy of LionPride's posting behaviour that would really be hilarious.

i look forward to you complaining about how unfair it is and how awful that place is up until the moment you get unbanned and run back there

Lol im not running anywhere

this whole thread is dedicated to resetera and making fun of it so we all know that there is plenty of weird stuff going over there

[HardcoreRetro]

Ask if white people are allowed to say negro, since it ain't a racist term.

[Dennis]

riotous, known colorblind pedo and Amirox associate.

I believe you are referring to frequent Bore bore Jack Remington.

Or maybe, like Jack Remington, you were also just too stupid to get the joke and like Jack Remington could never admit it.

[thisismyusername]

Because like known pedophile and poster, Amir0x, Dennis posts on NuGAF willingly.

[Dennis]

riotous, known colorblind pedo and Amirox associate.

I believe you are referring to frequent Bore bore Jack Remington.

Or maybe, like Jack Remington, you were also just too stupid to get the joke and like Jack Remington could never admit it.

Why r u so mean?

Prison life.

[Dennis]

thisismyusername what is your ResetERA alt? We all know you post there, so just let us know.

No moderator is reading this thread anyway so go ahead.

[Dennis]

Answer me, bitch.

[daemon]

who hacked dennis account?

[tummyfat]

Dennis is PMing Sweet Nicole offering up Bore users Resetera names in exchange for modship

[bork]

Maybe there's hope for REEEEEE mods.  Either that or someone is going in and removing warnings, like the one that was issued for this post and then removed after someone noted how dumb it was for that to receive a warning in the thread. 

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6122031/

[demi]

For the most part why I couldnt get into FE Warriors much. The old FEs take a shit on these waifu Emblems.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

I'm MiraculousSwidge, Dennis-kun. 

[Transhuman]

I did a joke during my standup set about amirox being a pedo which went over well. Turns out people don't like pedos!

Not on thebore at least

[kingv]

If I get banned for calling out LionPride

 

https://www.resetera.com/posts/6125256/

At least your banning gives me this post:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-undefeated-asks-why-aren%E2%80%99t-more-black-kids-going-pro-in-esports.32422/page-7#post-6105107

(Image removed from quote.)

...

I guess this settles whether or not esports is a job.

[Momo]

The other day while on a routine mission to the ISS the boys at ground control asked me to say a few words to commemorate 50 flights together, I said something like 'Thank god none of you are Amir0x' and they were left puzzled