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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16980 on: July 03, 2018, 10:00:03 PM »
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-site-community-discussion-reset-etc-read-op-stay-civil-dont-make-it-personal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253322396
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This is really the only time I'm going to post here, because I do believe the accusations against Evilore, and I do feel that this forum's community is really going down the toilet. But, I do want to clarify a few things on this to you and others who might be getting the wrong idea.

You seem to have it in your head the admins and mods of resetera are sitting there gleefully banning people left and right, when what actually happens in a case like this, is that everyone is upset that she had to be banned. No one is happy that someone who is hurting and lashing out has to be removed from the community, but sometimes that is the case. And trust me when I say that no one was ignoring her that entire time. I talked with her quite a bit, as did a lot of the trans community, including staff from that site. No one was ignoring her, but at a certain point, you do need to learn when to let go and move on from people who are self-destructive like that. While we want the best for everyone who is reaching out for help, there's only so much that we can do as internet strangers, and a lot of the realities of fixing those views have to come from within. That's something that I personally struggle with, but we're not professionals and we have to learn to accept that we can't help everyone out there.

And just because someone is posting in the mental health thread does not give them a free pass to go around insulting other users of the forum, and that wouldn't fly here as well. And its very possible for someone who is transgender to be transphobic. As for the help that she's getting right now specifically, I talked with her slightly after her ban, and she has other communities that she prefers to be a part of. She's not completely shut off, and she's always free to reach out to me and a few other people as well. I know that it can be hard to judge what's going on behind the scenes with a lot of this stuff when you're not directly involved. There's been a few things here and there that have seemed weird to me as well until I heard what was going on, but trust me when I say that everyone on that site is doing their best for the mental health community. No one on the staff is the cartoon villain that you're trying to paint them as.

As for your rants on Excel. She asked politely for someone to change the terminology that they were using, and that upsets you? You don't feel that's important enough? I don't understand why you feel that you know what's best for the trans community over the trans people that are speaking up about these issues. Is that the most dangerous issue out there to address? Of course not. But if you seriously want to see trans people as normal, then actually listen to what we're saying instead of constantly browsing places like Voat and Kiwifarms to get your information on us and what's important for our community. Because the way that you're typing here comes off beyond petty over a simple request.

I'm going to make this request of you one more time, and I hope you'll genuinely listen this time. Please stop using the mental health of others in your crusade against Era. It's okay to be upset that you were banned, but there are some things that you really should not be dragging into this conversation.
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...this thread... has Neogaf become Resetera’s The Bore?
What does this make the bore? :thinking
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16981 on: July 03, 2018, 10:08:06 PM »
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16982 on: July 03, 2018, 10:08:12 PM »
Apologies that this has nothing to do with the current conversation
SiS this thread is meant for tangents
everyone here gets off on tan gents
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16983 on: July 03, 2018, 10:10:09 PM »
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-site-community-discussion-reset-etc-read-op-stay-civil-dont-make-it-personal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253322396
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This is really the only time I'm going to post here, because I do believe the accusations against Evilore, and I do feel that this forum's community is really going down the toilet. But, I do want to clarify a few things on this to you and others who might be getting the wrong idea.

You seem to have it in your head the admins and mods of resetera are sitting there gleefully banning people left and right, when what actually happens in a case like this, is that everyone is upset that she had to be banned. No one is happy that someone who is hurting and lashing out has to be removed from the community, but sometimes that is the case. And trust me when I say that no one was ignoring her that entire time. I talked with her quite a bit, as did a lot of the trans community, including staff from that site. No one was ignoring her, but at a certain point, you do need to learn when to let go and move on from people who are self-destructive like that. While we want the best for everyone who is reaching out for help, there's only so much that we can do as internet strangers, and a lot of the realities of fixing those views have to come from within. That's something that I personally struggle with, but we're not professionals and we have to learn to accept that we can't help everyone out there.

And just because someone is posting in the mental health thread does not give them a free pass to go around insulting other users of the forum, and that wouldn't fly here as well. And its very possible for someone who is transgender to be transphobic. As for the help that she's getting right now specifically, I talked with her slightly after her ban, and she has other communities that she prefers to be a part of. She's not completely shut off, and she's always free to reach out to me and a few other people as well. I know that it can be hard to judge what's going on behind the scenes with a lot of this stuff when you're not directly involved. There's been a few things here and there that have seemed weird to me as well until I heard what was going on, but trust me when I say that everyone on that site is doing their best for the mental health community. No one on the staff is the cartoon villain that you're trying to paint them as.

As for your rants on Excel. She asked politely for someone to change the terminology that they were using, and that upsets you? You don't feel that's important enough? I don't understand why you feel that you know what's best for the trans community over the trans people that are speaking up about these issues. Is that the most dangerous issue out there to address? Of course not. But if you seriously want to see trans people as normal, then actually listen to what we're saying instead of constantly browsing places like Voat and Kiwifarms to get your information on us and what's important for our community. Because the way that you're typing here comes off beyond petty over a simple request.

I'm going to make this request of you one more time, and I hope you'll genuinely listen this time. Please stop using the mental health of others in your crusade against Era. It's okay to be upset that you were banned, but there are some things that you really should not be dragging into this conversation.
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...this thread... has Neogaf become Resetera’s The Bore?
What does this make the bore? :thinking

By my math, we’re mupepe.com now.
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16985 on: July 03, 2018, 10:17:43 PM »
http://www.newsweek.com/db-cooper-robert-rackstraw-cold-case-1001688

EMPTY_VESSEL FOUND

I don’t think so.  I saw this pretty convincingly taken apart on reddit the other day. Apparently a certain investigator has had a hard-on for this suspect for years and he manages to make some noise every once in a while. He’s like that Bigfoot fraudster that discovers bigfoot’s body every few years. Empty Vessel lives.
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16986 on: July 03, 2018, 10:18:56 PM »
In case you were curious how resetera mods reply to emails questioning their bans:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/8v7s8i/the_failure_of_liberal_moderation_on_gamings/

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I'd like to share my story of having an account on resetera. I was user "arkage" for those who want to look up receipts. I view myself as 80% liberal and 20% moderate. I was recently banned twice within the span of about a week, despite having an account since the beginning of the forum that frequently posted in controversial topics as well as regular ones, and through an email conversation with the mods decided to request by account permanently banned. Some in here might find this story interesting, even if they don't agree with me or my position outright.

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My first ban was over my criticism of how a kotaku article on sexism was hypocritical (https://www.resetera.com/threads/kotaku-at-e3-soulcaliburs-objectified-women-felt-like-a-relic-of-the-past.50090/page-12). I might've been strawmaning as I didn't read the article in depth but rather skimmed it, so I accepted this ban without much thought, and reflected that it wasn't a high effort post on my part. Whatever.

Next came the topic of whether Sam Harris/Maher was a "bigot." As a longtime listener of Harris I put up a defense I thought was reasonable, explaining why he wasn't a bigot (https://www.resetera.com/threads/guardian-sam-harris-and-bill-maher-are-bigots.51740/page-2). I was again banned, initially for one week pending review. I know the topic of race IQ difference is sensitive, but I also thought my post was a neutral explanation of how that topic was address by Harris in previous podcasts and articles. I emailed the mods about the ban asking for an explanation, and pointed out that even Ezra Klein, who debated Harris on the subject and who is a full-throated social justice advocated, agreed that Murray's theory is indeed a possibility. Here is the email I sent:

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"Hello, I was hoping for a deeper explanation of my current ban (username arkage) so hopefully this email can get passed to the mod team. I believe it was because I said the following in my post defending Harris:

"[Ezra and Harris] make legitimate points revolving around the race/IQ debate. Ezra thinks the history of slavery and discrimination has a strong systemic impact on IQ results. Harris thinks the data may or may not be impacted by slavery/discrimination at this point in time and that one should be able to argue for either side without being called a "bigot". Neither of them claim to make decisive, absolute claims or know for certain why racial IQ differences exist."

I pointed out that Harris takes a neutral stance of the causes of the race-IQ gap, as he clearly states in the podcast with Ezra Klein, and that he believes Murray's theory may or may not be correct. This is me "rationalizing racism" in the words of the moderator. To counter this, here is part of the rebuttal Ezra Klein wrote to the podcast Harris originally had Charles Murray (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/27/15695060/sam-harris-charles-murray-race-iq-forbidden-knowledge-podcast-bell-curve)

"This is also, notably, Reich’s conclusion in the op-ed Harris enthusiastically promotes and uses for his jab at me. “Whatever discoveries are made,” Reich says, “we truly have no idea yet what they will be.” If that had been the tenor of Harris’s conversation with Murray — if they had simply observed the existence of a racial IQ gap (that has already closed substantially over time), hypothesized that advances in genetics might one day reveal group differences, and then cautioned that no one knows anything yet — there would be no controversy."

Had I typed this word for word I imagine I would receive the same exact ban since "genetics might one day reveal group differences" implies it's a possible theory, just as Harris believes. Ezra is confirming that nobody can confirm if the racial-IQ gap is purely genetic or purely environment or a mix of the two. Murray's theory isn't what Ezra took issue with - it's that Murray then wants to enact social policies based on the currently incomplete data that may further disenfranchise black people if turns out to be wrong. Harris agrees that social policy shouldn't reflect Murray's theory, and remains skeptical of why Murray would research the topic in the first place. This can all be heard and confirmed in the podcast they had.

I understand the mods don't have to time for deep dives into these kinds of topics, but banning me for a week outright for something like this seems like a slip back into the old days of moderation. Thanks for your time.

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This was resetera's response:

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Hello, thank you for reaching out. This is an extremely sensitive topic which has a great deal more potential to hurt other members than it has potential for valuable discussion. Our best advice is to simply avoid such topics in the future if you're uncertain about how your argument might be received.

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The night of this response, my ban had gone under review and was increased from one week to two weeks. The warning message when I logged in read that a further infraction would result in a "severe" consequence, which I could only interpret to mean a permanent ban. I sent another email:

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"Thank you for the reply. My ban was just extended from one to two weeks after review. This is despite me clarifying that Ezra Klein, a leading voice of social justice in the IQ debate, confirms my neutral description of the theories in play. I understand the topic is sensitive and I'm fine not bringing it up again if this is now forum policy, but this topic was clearly ok to debate during the Ezra Harris thread from April in which I and other members made this same exact argument in much greater detail without even a warning let alone a ban (https://www.resetera.com/threads/vox-sam-harris-charles-murray-and-the-allure-of-race-science.32416/page-6). What I don't understand is why I'm being banned for two weeks. If this is non negotiable I'd prefer a permanent ban, as it's clear my account won't survive much longer in such a now ideologically driven forum who's mods are unable to recognize the difference between a clearly neutral theory description that I already previously made in detail a month ago (as did others) and..... "rationalizing racism."

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The final two responses in this exchange:

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While your request for a permanent ban is unfortunate, we respect it and have granted it.

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(my final response) Unfortunate? The 2 week ban warned I would suffer "severe" consequences if there was another incident. Save the sanctimony for those deemed worthy by the mods.

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In all, I think Resetera mods are still.... OK. For example, there are people literally still arguing in the Harris thread I was banned in, advocating the same exact position I was, specifically Ralemont and Thales Targaryen (https://www.resetera.com/threads/guardian-sam-harris-and-bill-maher-are-bigots.51740/page-12). I feel rather that my account had become singled out as a type of "trouble maker" and that-was-that as far as any explanation goes. I'll be heading back to neoGAF despite it having a lower population at this point, and I'll likely be arguing against conservative positions most of the time rather than extreme liberal ones as I did on resetera. But in the end, I view this as a total failure of the moderation team to take responsibility for their own misunderstandings on a controversial subject, and to play favorites with those who they appreciate being there and those they don't. But that is their right. And it is my right to bitch about it wherever I can. I could've done a final bomb on their off-topic bitching about them, but I'm too old to schedule my time around an ideologically driven shit fest.
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TL:DR dude gets banned for a reasonable, thoughtful and neutral defense of Sam Harris (lol), sends a long and detailed email backing up his defense including reasoning from a prominent social studies warrior and receipts that the same subject matter was discussed earlier at reset with no bannings.

Reset staff bluntly reply that their discussion forum is not for discussion and extend his ban to two weeks.

He writes back with further entreaties but slips in a bit about possibly making the ban permanent so they're like "wish granted lol."

And after all this the dude still considers the moderation to be generally ok  :neogaf :sabu :snoop
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16987 on: July 03, 2018, 10:37:31 PM »
when is evilore going to unban me? scour my post history i did nothing wrong if you want to pull this unjustified bullshit brigade

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nudemacusers

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16988 on: July 03, 2018, 10:38:04 PM »
Evilore unban me first
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16989 on: July 03, 2018, 10:42:01 PM »
when is evilore going to unban me? scour my post history i did nothing wrong if you want to pull this unjustified bullshit brigade

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16990 on: July 03, 2018, 10:43:17 PM »
In case you were curious how resetera mods reply to emails questioning their bans:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/8v7s8i/the_failure_of_liberal_moderation_on_gamings/

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I'd like to share my story of having an account on resetera. I was user "arkage" for those who want to look up receipts. I view myself as 80% liberal and 20% moderate. I was recently banned twice within the span of about a week, despite having an account since the beginning of the forum that frequently posted in controversial topics as well as regular ones, and through an email conversation with the mods decided to request by account permanently banned. Some in here might find this story interesting, even if they don't agree with me or my position outright.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
My first ban was over my criticism of how a kotaku article on sexism was hypocritical (https://www.resetera.com/threads/kotaku-at-e3-soulcaliburs-objectified-women-felt-like-a-relic-of-the-past.50090/page-12). I might've been strawmaning as I didn't read the article in depth but rather skimmed it, so I accepted this ban without much thought, and reflected that it wasn't a high effort post on my part. Whatever.

Next came the topic of whether Sam Harris/Maher was a "bigot." As a longtime listener of Harris I put up a defense I thought was reasonable, explaining why he wasn't a bigot (https://www.resetera.com/threads/guardian-sam-harris-and-bill-maher-are-bigots.51740/page-2). I was again banned, initially for one week pending review. I know the topic of race IQ difference is sensitive, but I also thought my post was a neutral explanation of how that topic was address by Harris in previous podcasts and articles. I emailed the mods about the ban asking for an explanation, and pointed out that even Ezra Klein, who debated Harris on the subject and who is a full-throated social justice advocated, agreed that Murray's theory is indeed a possibility. Here is the email I sent:

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"Hello, I was hoping for a deeper explanation of my current ban (username arkage) so hopefully this email can get passed to the mod team. I believe it was because I said the following in my post defending Harris:

"[Ezra and Harris] make legitimate points revolving around the race/IQ debate. Ezra thinks the history of slavery and discrimination has a strong systemic impact on IQ results. Harris thinks the data may or may not be impacted by slavery/discrimination at this point in time and that one should be able to argue for either side without being called a "bigot". Neither of them claim to make decisive, absolute claims or know for certain why racial IQ differences exist."

I pointed out that Harris takes a neutral stance of the causes of the race-IQ gap, as he clearly states in the podcast with Ezra Klein, and that he believes Murray's theory may or may not be correct. This is me "rationalizing racism" in the words of the moderator. To counter this, here is part of the rebuttal Ezra Klein wrote to the podcast Harris originally had Charles Murray (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/27/15695060/sam-harris-charles-murray-race-iq-forbidden-knowledge-podcast-bell-curve)

"This is also, notably, Reich’s conclusion in the op-ed Harris enthusiastically promotes and uses for his jab at me. “Whatever discoveries are made,” Reich says, “we truly have no idea yet what they will be.” If that had been the tenor of Harris’s conversation with Murray — if they had simply observed the existence of a racial IQ gap (that has already closed substantially over time), hypothesized that advances in genetics might one day reveal group differences, and then cautioned that no one knows anything yet — there would be no controversy."

Had I typed this word for word I imagine I would receive the same exact ban since "genetics might one day reveal group differences" implies it's a possible theory, just as Harris believes. Ezra is confirming that nobody can confirm if the racial-IQ gap is purely genetic or purely environment or a mix of the two. Murray's theory isn't what Ezra took issue with - it's that Murray then wants to enact social policies based on the currently incomplete data that may further disenfranchise black people if turns out to be wrong. Harris agrees that social policy shouldn't reflect Murray's theory, and remains skeptical of why Murray would research the topic in the first place. This can all be heard and confirmed in the podcast they had.

I understand the mods don't have to time for deep dives into these kinds of topics, but banning me for a week outright for something like this seems like a slip back into the old days of moderation. Thanks for your time.

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This was resetera's response:

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Hello, thank you for reaching out. This is an extremely sensitive topic which has a great deal more potential to hurt other members than it has potential for valuable discussion. Our best advice is to simply avoid such topics in the future if you're uncertain about how your argument might be received.

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The night of this response, my ban had gone under review and was increased from one week to two weeks. The warning message when I logged in read that a further infraction would result in a "severe" consequence, which I could only interpret to mean a permanent ban. I sent another email:

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"Thank you for the reply. My ban was just extended from one to two weeks after review. This is despite me clarifying that Ezra Klein, a leading voice of social justice in the IQ debate, confirms my neutral description of the theories in play. I understand the topic is sensitive and I'm fine not bringing it up again if this is now forum policy, but this topic was clearly ok to debate during the Ezra Harris thread from April in which I and other members made this same exact argument in much greater detail without even a warning let alone a ban (https://www.resetera.com/threads/vox-sam-harris-charles-murray-and-the-allure-of-race-science.32416/page-6). What I don't understand is why I'm being banned for two weeks. If this is non negotiable I'd prefer a permanent ban, as it's clear my account won't survive much longer in such a now ideologically driven forum who's mods are unable to recognize the difference between a clearly neutral theory description that I already previously made in detail a month ago (as did others) and..... "rationalizing racism."

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The final two responses in this exchange:

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While your request for a permanent ban is unfortunate, we respect it and have granted it.

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(my final response) Unfortunate? The 2 week ban warned I would suffer "severe" consequences if there was another incident. Save the sanctimony for those deemed worthy by the mods.

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In all, I think Resetera mods are still.... OK. For example, there are people literally still arguing in the Harris thread I was banned in, advocating the same exact position I was, specifically Ralemont and Thales Targaryen (https://www.resetera.com/threads/guardian-sam-harris-and-bill-maher-are-bigots.51740/page-12). I feel rather that my account had become singled out as a type of "trouble maker" and that-was-that as far as any explanation goes. I'll be heading back to neoGAF despite it having a lower population at this point, and I'll likely be arguing against conservative positions most of the time rather than extreme liberal ones as I did on resetera. But in the end, I view this as a total failure of the moderation team to take responsibility for their own misunderstandings on a controversial subject, and to play favorites with those who they appreciate being there and those they don't. But that is their right. And it is my right to bitch about it wherever I can. I could've done a final bomb on their off-topic bitching about them, but I'm too old to schedule my time around an ideologically driven shit fest.
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TL:DR dude gets banned for a reasonable, thoughtful and neutral defense of Sam Harris (lol), sends a long and detailed email backing up his defense including reasoning from a prominent social studies warrior and receipts that the same subject matter was discussed earlier at reset with no bannings.

Reset staff bluntly reply that their discussion forum is not for discussion and extend his ban to two weeks.

He writes back with further entreaties but slips in a bit about possibly making the ban permanent so they're like "wish granted lol."

And after all this the dude still considers the moderation to be generally ok  :neogaf :sabu :snoop

https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/8v7s8i/the_failure_of_liberal_moderation_on_gamings/e1laigm/

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Glad to see that's the top-voted comment. :regan

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16991 on: July 03, 2018, 10:43:35 PM »


Imagine it says "womp" instead of "bump"
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16992 on: July 03, 2018, 10:48:07 PM »
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How convenient for you.

What are these "personal stakes" exactly ?
https://www.resetera.com/posts/10017633/

mods ain't slick

and now it's locked without even a reason :lol

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16993 on: July 03, 2018, 10:50:39 PM »
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Nobody's even talking about "sins"

Just taking the opportunity to mention why they thought Black Panther was garbage, overrated, boring, and how white people worldwide were forced to love such dreck.

Yall goddamn fragile. That's why I love this film. The reaction to it just pisses y'all off low-key.
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Without a doubt, the absolute worst thing in this thread was that guy claiming you haven't seen films because your black.

Because apparently in his mind, black people don't watch "real films"

That was fucking transparent and lame as fuck. Got some real interesting characters on this board.

Which is funny because not only did I just have a post on IndieWire's critic survey, but I review films on the weekly. Don't judge a book by its cover people.
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We're at 311 posts, and this dog whistle shit has been allowed to fester.
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16994 on: July 03, 2018, 10:51:13 PM »
http://www.newsweek.com/db-cooper-robert-rackstraw-cold-case-1001688

EMPTY_VESSEL FOUND

I don’t think so.  I saw this pretty convincingly taken apart on reddit the other day. Apparently a certain investigator has had a hard-on for this suspect for years and he manages to make some noise every once in a while. He’s like that Bigfoot fraudster that discovers bigfoot’s body every few years. Empty Vessel lives.
got a link? i thought this smelled like bs reading through the article, but i didn't see anything that really detailed the methodology they used to reach their conclusion. wouldn't mind taking a gander at some internet nerd confirming my bias

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16995 on: July 03, 2018, 10:52:58 PM »
also quick reminder



POST LINKS YOU GOD DAMN DINGDONGS

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16996 on: July 03, 2018, 10:53:20 PM »
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How convenient for you.

What are these "personal stakes" exactly ?
https://www.resetera.com/posts/10017633/

mods ain't slick

and now it's locked without even a reason :lol


Now to wait and see if the mod lets that passive-aggressive dweeb walk all over him.
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16997 on: July 03, 2018, 10:55:31 PM »
Bronsonlee involved in cinemasins? :thinking  what does bobby think about this!?
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16998 on: July 03, 2018, 10:59:16 PM »
:rofl at that dork trying to insinuate the moderation at resetti is secretly racist, good lord. also how much of a bitch do you have to be to not say it if you believe that?

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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #16999 on: July 03, 2018, 11:00:06 PM »
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Bruh some people thought BP had to many fantasy elements that broke the film for them. is this real life.
Racist people are stupid. News at 11.
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Re: The Other Forums Trash Thread for Other Forums' Trash
« Reply #17000 on: July 03, 2018, 11:00:22 PM »
http://www.newsweek.com/db-cooper-robert-rackstraw-cold-case-1001688

EMPTY_VESSEL FOUND

I don’t think so.  I saw this pretty convincingly taken apart on reddit the other day. Apparently a certain investigator has had a hard-on for this suspect for years and he manages to make some noise every once in a while. He’s like that Bigfoot fraudster that discovers bigfoot’s body every few years. Empty Vessel lives.
got a link? i thought this smelled like bs reading through the article, but i didn't see anything that really detailed the methodology they used to reach their conclusion. wouldn't mind taking a gander at some internet nerd confirming my bias

[Unresolved Crime] Investigators claim to have "decoded" message from Vietnam veteran Robert Rackstraw, and he confessed to being D.B. Cooper http://reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/8ukoy9/unresolved_crime_investigators_claim_to_have/
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« Reply #17001 on: July 03, 2018, 11:02:24 PM »
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I'm not done with him.

It is thoroughly unacceptable for a mod to come into a known problem thread, and just make jokes about it without lifting a single fucking finger to do anything about it. WHY BE A FUCKING MOD IN THAT CASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
https://www.resetera.com/posts/10018056/

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« Reply #17002 on: July 03, 2018, 11:04:29 PM »
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Nah that ship has sailed. I tried it and nothing happened. Back to calling out this place publicly again.
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« Reply #17003 on: July 03, 2018, 11:08:12 PM »
i mean...what did he expect
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this is totally colonizer language or something said to people being forceably migrated to a new location

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« Reply #17004 on: July 03, 2018, 11:11:47 PM »
:rofl at that dork trying to insinuate the moderation at resetti is secretly racist, good lord. also how much of a bitch do you have to be to not say it if you believe that?

It's funny because guys like him as always passive-aggresive and insinuate shit and then when you call them out for that behavior they become tough guys.  "I am never passive, I'm a big strong internet guy who always says what I mean!"  Sure, enzom.
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« Reply #17005 on: July 03, 2018, 11:27:11 PM »
lmfao. Standard band for questioning moderation is a week and Shy gets 24 hrs for telling Bronson to go fuck himself.

Guess slay sorted it 

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« Reply #17006 on: July 03, 2018, 11:28:19 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/it-really-bothers-me-to-see-people-praising-the-star-wars-prequels-lately.53249/

and...five replies:
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But hey, they didn't had too much women or black dudes, so it is not like they need to be remade for how bad they were

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« Reply #17007 on: July 03, 2018, 11:28:39 PM »
this is better:
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Is there any relation at all between the themes of the prequels and the current political situation in the USA? I'm old enough to have already been an adult by the time the prequels arrived, and while I agree they are mess, and that I do prefer the new trilogy, I have to admit, between that "So this is how democracy dies" line, and all the other ways that the trilogy shows the collapse of the Republic, I have a new, grudging respect for Lucas at least covering that stuff in light of recent developments.

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« Reply #17008 on: July 03, 2018, 11:29:14 PM »
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I think the recent popularity of the films is more due to r/prequelmemes taking off on reddit
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« Reply #17009 on: July 03, 2018, 11:31:41 PM »
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« Reply #17010 on: July 03, 2018, 11:45:34 PM »
What’s going on in Count Dukkake’s avatar pic?

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« Reply #17011 on: July 04, 2018, 12:37:49 AM »
this is better:
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Is there any relation at all between the themes of the prequels and the current political situation in the USA? I'm old enough to have already been an adult by the time the prequels arrived, and while I agree they are mess, and that I do prefer the new trilogy, I have to admit, between that "So this is how democracy dies" line, and all the other ways that the trilogy shows the collapse of the Republic, I have a new, grudging respect for Lucas at least covering that stuff in light of recent developments.

Jimmy Fallon: “Meesa gonna normalize big bombad Trump!” *rubs head*

Donald Trump: *jowls flapping furiously* “Brrrrrgggrrrrllll!”

U.S. Senate: *suspends democracy*
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« Reply #17012 on: July 04, 2018, 12:38:10 AM »
What’s going on in Count Dukkake’s avatar pic?

Looks like a cross between Clint Howard and The Monarch

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« Reply #17013 on: July 04, 2018, 12:45:12 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/it-really-bothers-me-to-see-people-praising-the-star-wars-prequels-lately.53249/

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But hey, they didn't had too much women or black dudes, so it is not like they need to be remade for how bad they were

Platy is reetarded

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« Reply #17014 on: July 04, 2018, 12:45:49 AM »
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CinemaSins is the worst. They're partially responsible for the negative moviegoing culture that we have now.

I do agree with this a little bit. The internet, Youtube especially, is rife with people picking over every tiny detail of movies to point out all the things it did "wrong" instead of watching a movie and just enjoying it or not enjoying it based on the product as a whole. Feels like it has bred a generation of cynics.
I watched a few CinemaSins stuff and it's for sure not for me, obviously a ton of the sins are played for comedy but I don't think they're all that funny. That being said there's a lot of people doing much better movie commentary,  RLM for actual good comedy, Alachia Queen for a more human opinion, GoodBadFlicks for more factual, short movie exploration, Lindsay Ellis does some great in-depth stuff, Looper does a lot of good content etc. I rarely see that dumb CinemaSins style in my recommends except for maybe the occasional honest trailer garbage. 

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« Reply #17015 on: July 04, 2018, 12:48:57 AM »
Never watched cinemasins but I have been caught in WatchMojo loops :/

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« Reply #17016 on: July 04, 2018, 12:55:19 AM »
Honest Trailers was a decent gimmick that they kinda ran into the ground and the jokes got more tired, hacky and rushed as they tried to be timely and prolific with them. A lot of them started to get put out to match fan requests rather than having the material first. The game ones were almost like that entirely from the start.

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« Reply #17017 on: July 04, 2018, 01:49:00 AM »
Sith has some pretty good scenes scattered around, maybe more than either of the other two, but it's still got too much that just isn't good enough to warrant going back to. Watch the highlight clips on Youtube and leave it at that.
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« Reply #17018 on: July 04, 2018, 02:03:38 AM »
Sith has some pretty good scenes scattered around, maybe more than either of the other two, but it's still got too much that just isn't good enough to warrant going back to. Watch the highlight clips on Youtube and leave it at that.
It really bothers me when people don't think the prequels were good and forget about General Grievous, the greatest character in Star Wars. He alone automatically negates whatever "criticism" you have of the prequels.

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« Reply #17019 on: July 04, 2018, 02:07:47 AM »
Add cinemasins critique(?) of an empowering black kid's movie to the list of things Era can't handle discussing.  Right up there with "Best chicken nugget."

https://www.resetera.com/threads/whole-publix-chicken-tender-subs-are-5-99-this-week.1897/page-2
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« Reply #17020 on: July 04, 2018, 02:13:32 AM »
Maybe I haven’t seen a cinemasins thing in a while, but the BP one does seem worse than others I’ve seen.  I’ve watched a minute, and none of the sins so far are actually sins or errors. It seems the counter just goes up whenever the shitty narrator makes a shitty quip. And the quips are really really shitty.
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« Reply #17021 on: July 04, 2018, 02:13:43 AM »
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This, basically. This thread is good ignore list bait at least.
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« Reply #17022 on: July 04, 2018, 02:19:54 AM »
poor arkage
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« Reply #17023 on: July 04, 2018, 02:25:05 AM »
There is nothing watchable about Revenge of the Sith. It is the worst Star Wars movie and one of the worst movies ever.

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« Reply #17024 on: July 04, 2018, 02:26:38 AM »
Also Cinemasins is awful. It's the annoying person complaining about how guns work in movies made real. This kind of criticism that can't think beyond where it can shit is useless and the worst.

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« Reply #17025 on: July 04, 2018, 02:28:06 AM »
Solo is the 3rd best movie in the Star Wars franchise.  Return was pretty much equivalent to the prequels to me.  and all of the other new ones suck worse than the prequels.
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« Reply #17026 on: July 04, 2018, 02:28:49 AM »
ooh didn't see that the Nazi liar scam artist on reddit landed on gaming too:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/former-white-supremacist-leader-confirms-groups-using-multiplayer-gaming-to-recruit-young-people.52239/
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anyone who still doesn't think GamerGate wasn't an orgy of recruitment for these groups is delusional
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So now, gaming has inadvertently become a tool for the alt-right and neo-nazi.
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Like many of the players associated with this fascist regime have roots in GamerGate.
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Nazis have invaded a ton of spaces and they're most prevalent on chan boards and reddit. They've entered gaming forums and multiplayer gaming et al because it's easy to convert young people. So many people kept trying to explain this and no one wanted to listen for the longest time.
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Yep. anyone who followed the GamerGate stuff predicted this. Nazis were already moving into that movement, many GGers welcomed them with open arms because they shared a single enemy, women and feminism. Plenty of conservatives and right wing politicians saw GG as a way to get their interest too, because again they all shared the same enemy. It's why plenty of GGers are also Trump supporters.

It's all been connected and no one would listen to those who watched the movement closely.
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You can look far back in the 4chan's history and see the demographic shift over the years. I know many who used to frequent it and stopped doing that when it starting to get more and more exclusionary and starting going from funny interesting memes to chan ops that try to distort information and hurt people.

And one of the easiest ways to push an agenda is through comedy. Them seeing the racism and laughing it off like it was a joke only helped to normalize it. It's one of the ways in how this kind of stuff starts. It's why even people like Jimmy Fallon is called out the way he is for normalizing Trump the way he did (and Jimmy Fallon still doesn't get why people had an issue with it)
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Many people studying right-wing internet discourse have come to the (rather obvious) conclusion that Gamergate was basically ground zero for what we now call the alt-right, so this isn't a surprising thing to hear.
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It makes it super hard to be a parent today. My son is 7 and is starting to want to play more games like Roblox or Minecraft.

I've gone and locked his iPad and Apple ID (he has a child account linked to mine) as much as I can but I'm always worried that it isn't enough.

One of my biggest fears is that my son is going to fall victim to this bullshit.

Fuck Bannon, Milo, and the rest of these goddamn morons.
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White supremacists did this with 4chan and Reddit, not surprising they're doing it with videogames too.
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USA kids are practically one step removed form white nationalism/extremism by the time they're 13/14, add sitting at home all day reading forums, playing computer games with toxicity to the mix and you have a lot of young people tipping over because they perceive their US identity under attack.
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The thing is the Media acts like it's only 4chan or sometimes Reddit. Outside of /r/politics Reddit can be pretty bad though.
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It probably would've helped things if the games industry hadn't made an almost all-White all-male space in video games culture with the games and the marketing they've produced.
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Mostly recruiters from Russia. Hmm, it's almost like Russia is intentionally stoking racial tensions to try to destabilize the US. Hmmmmmmm.
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So ultimately it comes down to whether the gaming community are actually willing to stay away from playing games with toxic communities rather than just complain about them. Everyone who plays games like CS:GO and CoD are facilitating this problem by financially backing companies to provide a wild west for impressionable youth to be preyed upon without taking any sort of responsibility for what happens within.
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Yep. Gamergate should have been a clear sign.
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I mean, I don't know why anyone would be surprised by this after we learned who the driving parties of gamergate really were.
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Page 3 and we're already blaming the left I see.

Can't imagine why video games are such a fruitful ground at all.
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Gamers led to the raise of Trump basically.



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Hell, look at controversial threads about women and minorities on ResetEra/OldGAF. They lure you in with "just asking questions" rhetoric.
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i swear i thought it was an exaggeration/ridiculous when someone implied this forum has white supremacist/incel types & recruiters but the shooting threads and this one is making me question that
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also Atra constantly annihilated in this thread
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It happens on 4chan so of course it happens in online games.
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« Reply #17027 on: July 04, 2018, 02:29:09 AM »
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They got to me at the right time. Before GamerGate happened. Phew. Who knows where it could've gone after that. I like to think I'm a good person, generally, but... Maybe I might've gone bad. Ugh.

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« Reply #17028 on: July 04, 2018, 02:31:33 AM »
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This is probably the main problem I have with PC gaming. Steam is a platform that refuses to censor or control messaging in people's screennames or avatars. I'll load up a game of Rocket League and get a heap of white supremacist or the_donald memes thrown in my face. It definitely makes me consider how a more restrictive and controlled console could be more appealing for a parent.
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You just have to look at how nazi-like rhetoric has invaded gaming space with claims of censorship in games, demanding the removal of women and minorities, demands of free speech which are never about free speech, not wanting politics in their games, their call outs against the media. And those like Boogie who remain "neutral" who only help these people maintain their platform and momentum. Or H3H3 who has started catering to these kinds of people. Jon 'gene pool' Jafari who got his statistics from a literal white supremacist site and people siding and defending him. PewDiePie and his Nazi stuff. Chris Ray Gun defending Milo's pedophilia and being a general piece of shit who does his best to ruin discourse on legit problems. And all of them who have either been on a vodcast or have communicated with Sargon of Akkad who is a useful tool to neo-nazis.

Those are big name influencers. And that's not even the tip of the iceberg.
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yeah, this is huge. all of the ‘big influencers’ in video gaming right now are either paying lip service or outright backing up nazi talking points. make no mistake, young kids look up to people like this, they hang onto their every word, and the nazis know it. places like youtube are prime recruiting ground for that very reason. you bait them with ‘sjws’ destroying their favorite games, and reel them in.

i had to deal with this with my ten year old cousin. he loves pdp, quotes him all the time. that’s how young they can hook them in. it’s grooming, plain and simple.
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Not surprised at all. I followed the GamerGate movement closely a couple years ago and was exactly this, using the ethics in game journo as a bullshit facade. It was all a political/social movement from the very beggining and this people saw a huge opportunity with this kids, mostly Trump supporters by now. It really makes me sad, but I'm relieved to see that this is info is coming out.
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« Reply #17029 on: July 04, 2018, 02:34:40 AM »
Maybe I might've gone bad.
like milk (a notable alt right beverage)

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« Reply #17030 on: July 04, 2018, 02:39:07 AM »
NAZIS ARE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES

I TOLD YOU, I WARNED YOU ALL

SOMEBODY SHOULD DO SOMETHING

GAMERGATE GAMERGATE TRUMP TRUMP GAMERGATE GAMERGATE

THE BURDEN SHOULDN'T BE ON ME TO DO SOMETHING, I HATE NAZIS, STOP TONE POLICING ME

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« Reply #17031 on: July 04, 2018, 02:41:16 AM »
There is nothing watchable about Revenge of the Sith. It is the worst Star Wars movie and one of the worst movies ever.

Don’t want to seem like I’m forum stalking you, but Attack of the Clones is MUCH WORSE than either of the other prequels.

The ranking:

Empire > New Hope > Return > TFA > TLJ > Ep1 > Ep3 > Rogue One > Ep2
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« Reply #17032 on: July 04, 2018, 02:42:20 AM »
QUOTE FROM ANOTHER FORUM

QUOTE FROM ANOTHER SITE

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BAD JOKE BAD JOKE BAD JOKE EMOTICON SNARKY COMMENT BAD JOKE BAD JOKE

REFERENCE TO A PIECE OF MEDIA OR AN EVENT SHARED WITH OTHER USERS

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« Reply #17033 on: July 04, 2018, 02:43:00 AM »
As long as we can all agree Attack of the Clones is the worst star wars thing ever, including ewoks christmas special, we're all good.

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« Reply #17034 on: July 04, 2018, 02:45:38 AM »
it's sorta a shame that attack of the clones is so bad because i kinda like the little detective work obi-wan does, down to the red light district, then following slave one to the rainy planet, etc.

i wonder if there's a single pretty good movie (or maybe two decent ones) that could be squeezed out of the three prequels with patient editing

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« Reply #17035 on: July 04, 2018, 02:51:13 AM »
my favorite part of attack of the clones was obi wan sitting in the library trying to find something that didnt exist
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« Reply #17036 on: July 04, 2018, 02:53:08 AM »
my favorite part of attack of the clones was obi wan sitting in the library trying to find something that didnt exist

btw, davepoobond, you ever want to defect from the other forums full-time, you’re an instant “in” here as one of TVC’s girls. Big fan of your posting over the years.
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« Reply #17037 on: July 04, 2018, 03:02:28 AM »
my favorite part of attack of the clones was obi wan sitting in the library trying to find something that didnt exist
huh, i've never watched the deleted scenes for any of these movies, they should have kept this entire segment and cut out anakin and padme



also lol at how offended the librarian gets

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« Reply #17038 on: July 04, 2018, 03:04:44 AM »
my favorite part of attack of the clones was obi wan sitting in the library trying to find something that didnt exist

btw, davepoobond, you ever want to defect from the other forums full-time, you’re an instant “in” here as one of TVC’s girls. Big fan of your posting over the years.

 :-*

technically i've already sort of withdrawn from both.  never know what'll get me banned and i just want something to read when i'm bored...


my favorite part of attack of the clones was obi wan sitting in the library trying to find something that didnt exist
huh, i've never watched the deleted scenes for any of these movies, they should have kept this entire segment and cut out anakin and padme



also lol at how offended the librarian gets


yeah she is hilarious.  she basically told a jedi to fuck himself
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« Reply #17039 on: July 04, 2018, 03:08:13 AM »
my favorite part of attack of the clones was obi wan sitting in the library trying to find something that didnt exist
huh, i've never watched the deleted scenes for any of these movies, they should have kept this entire segment and cut out anakin and padme



also lol at how offended the librarian gets

This is Westworld bad.
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