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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52920 on: January 16, 2019, 04:02:56 PM »
The new Far Cry was pretty good.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52921 on: January 16, 2019, 04:06:06 PM »
I realised marrec you're also using the term 'the press' in a relatively modern sense meaning solely news outlets. Think more in terms of the invention of the printing press. Freedom of the press as it was originally argued was about literal access to the printing press; the ability to disseminate information on a mass scale.

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Legal Definition of freedom of the press

: the right to publish and disseminate information, thoughts, and opinions without restraint or censorship as guaranteed under the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

I'm not talking about the right of Alex Jones to be considered a news outlet.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52922 on: January 16, 2019, 04:09:55 PM »
Which is a very far cry from saying that there are no free speech protections in Europe.

If certain speech is not protected, how is there free speech protection?

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52923 on: January 16, 2019, 04:11:01 PM »
Guys. 
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52924 on: January 16, 2019, 04:15:02 PM »
sum1curr

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52925 on: January 16, 2019, 04:17:07 PM »
If certain speech is not protected, how is there free speech protection?
Wham bam, we're in the realm of impossible ideals all of a sudden.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52926 on: January 16, 2019, 04:20:59 PM »
I'm only interested in ree speech
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52927 on: January 16, 2019, 04:21:21 PM »
The new Far Cry was pretty good.

Respawning enemies just after you leave sight of them sucks. Can’t drive 1/8 of a mile down the road without a truck full of sponges jumping on your dick.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52928 on: January 16, 2019, 04:21:23 PM »
If certain speech is not protected, how is there free speech protection?
Wham bam, we're in the realm of impossible ideals all of a sudden.

It seems the US is living the impossible ideal dream. lol

It must be an enigma to you how people in the US survive. :p

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52929 on: January 16, 2019, 04:23:04 PM »
I'm only interested in ree speech

Y'all hear they dug up where Chris Pratt goes to church? It's apparently a controversial church  :o

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52930 on: January 16, 2019, 04:26:10 PM »
I'm only interested in ree speech

Y'all hear they dug up where Chris Pratt goes to church? It's apparently a controversial church  :o

I google this and the first site I go to

You did this on purpose didn't you

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52931 on: January 16, 2019, 04:26:57 PM »
It seems the US is living the impossible ideal dream. lol
:rofl

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52933 on: January 16, 2019, 04:28:42 PM »
Vacillating between care posts and shit posts  :aah

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52934 on: January 16, 2019, 04:28:50 PM »
If certain speech is not protected, how is there free speech protection?
Wham bam, we're in the realm of impossible ideals all of a sudden.

It seems the US is living the impossible ideal dream. lol

It must be an enigma to you how people in the US survive. :p

No, he's right. Some speech is not protected. Libel and slander are easy examples. Yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater is a classic example. Pornography to some extent (you couldn't play your home-made sex tape in a kindergarten class, for example).

There are almost no absolute principles. Even the "right to life" principle isn't absolute. If you are trying to kill someone, you've forfeit your right to life, and they can legally kill you.

So this discussion is mostly about where on the spectrum we choose to draw lines, which can be pretty subjective.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52935 on: January 16, 2019, 04:29:01 PM »
It seems the US is living the impossible ideal dream. lol
:rofl

You know, you're a bit of enigma to me in fact. :p

Europe: hate speech.
US: No hate speech.

Not hard to get your head around. lol

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52936 on: January 16, 2019, 04:31:02 PM »
You do realize the US has hate speech laws, right? Meaning they don't have absolute free speech either, which according to you is not Free Speech(TM).

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52937 on: January 16, 2019, 04:31:05 PM »
I'm only interested in ree speech

Y'all hear they dug up where Chris Pratt goes to church? It's apparently a controversial church  :o

I google this and the first site I go to

You did this on purpose didn't you

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you are now infected with thegayagenda.exe

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52938 on: January 16, 2019, 04:34:48 PM »
Your Liberty To Swing Your Fist Ends Just Where My Nose Begins

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52939 on: January 16, 2019, 04:35:36 PM »
If certain speech is not protected, how is there free speech protection?
Wham bam, we're in the realm of impossible ideals all of a sudden.

It seems the US is living the impossible ideal dream. lol

It must be an enigma to you how people in the US survive. :p

No, he's right. Some speech is not protected. Libel and slander are easy examples. Yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater is a classic example. Pornography to some extent (you couldn't play a porn video in a kindergarten class, for example).

There are almost no absolute principles. Even the "right to life" principle isn't absolute. If you are trying to kill someone, you've forfeit your right to life, and they can legally kill you.

So this discussion is mostly about where on the spectrum we choose to draw lines, which can be pretty subjective.

Okay. Many people who are staunch supporters of free speech draw the line somewhere. For example, incitement to violence is a common line. Whether there should be libel laws is more up for debate. That said it is hard to win a libel case in the US.

in terms of your opinions and your right to say them, that is pretty much protected in the US where in Europe it is not.

Sure, fine, there is no absolute freedom of speech, but I just find it starting to knitpick a little when meant in the general sense when comparing Europe to the US.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52940 on: January 16, 2019, 04:36:09 PM »
That's not entirely true, either. Swinging your fist at someone's face could be seen as assault (not to be confused with battery). Depending on the circumstances.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52941 on: January 16, 2019, 04:38:29 PM »
You do realize the US has hate speech laws, right? Meaning they don't have absolute free speech either, which according to you is not Free Speech(TM).

What hate speech laws?

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Hate speech in the United States. Hate speech in the United States is not regulated, in contrast to that of most other liberal democracies. The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that hate speech is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52942 on: January 16, 2019, 04:42:04 PM »
Okay. Many people who are staunch supporters of free speech draw the line somewhere. For example, incitement to violence is a common line. Whether there should be libel laws is more up for debate. That said it is hard to win a libel case in the US.

in terms of your opinions and your right to say them, that is pretty much protected in the US where in Europe it is not.

Sure, fine, there is no absolute freedom of speech, but I just find it starting to knitpick a little when meant in the general sense when comparing Europe to the US.

Sure, but your original assertion was that Europe doesn't have free speech because they have limitations on their free speech. By that metric, no one has free speech. Yet you also asserted the U.S. does. So it's a straight logical contradiction with yourself.

Now, if you want to say speech in the U.S. is more free than in Europe, that's an assertion that could be reasonably maintained. (Although I'm no expert on EU law, so I can't say that's fully right. There may be areas of speech that are more free in the EU.)

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52943 on: January 16, 2019, 04:42:44 PM »
That said, in terms of your opinions and your right to say them, that is pretty much protected in the US where in Europe is not.
There are very constrained edge cases where the US is more permissive than Europe (holocaust denial being a big one), but on the whole it's ridiculous to say there are no protections for free speech or freedom of expression in Europe.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52944 on: January 16, 2019, 04:43:09 PM »
That's not entirely true, either. Swinging your fist at someone's face could be seen as assault (not to be confused with battery). Depending on the circumstances.


that's a quote from Abraham J Trump you piece of shit

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52945 on: January 16, 2019, 04:45:18 PM »
Abrah_m J. T__mp  :wag

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52946 on: January 16, 2019, 04:46:48 PM »
Okay. Many people who are staunch supporters of free speech draw the line somewhere. For example, incitement to violence is a common line. Whether there should be libel laws is more up for debate. That said it is hard to win a libel case in the US.

in terms of your opinions and your right to say them, that is pretty much protected in the US where in Europe it is not.

Sure, fine, there is no absolute freedom of speech, but I just find it starting to knitpick a little when meant in the general sense when comparing Europe to the US.

Sure, but your original assertion was that Europe doesn't have free speech because they have limitations on their free speech. By that metric, no one has free speech. Yet you also asserted the U.S. does. So it's a straight logical contradiction with yourself.

Now, if you want to say speech in the U.S. is more free than in Europe, that's an assertion that could be reasonably maintained.

There are people who maintain no speech whatsoever should be off limits because of this contradiction. However, there also many who are happy to say the limit is incitement to violence and still call it 'free speech'. I'm not being absolutely consistent, but then that is the same with many other people who stop at incitement to violence..

Maybe phrasing what I said in that way leaves me open to the argument you made I guess.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52947 on: January 16, 2019, 04:49:36 PM »

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52948 on: January 16, 2019, 04:51:01 PM »
Your Liberty To Swing Your Fist Ends Just Where My Nose Begins

That still gives them leave to punch your dick tho
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52949 on: January 16, 2019, 04:51:59 PM »

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52950 on: January 16, 2019, 04:52:08 PM »
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My third brother is in his mid-teens, and is the reason I'm making this thread. He's always been the friendly, outgoing one, and had a gentle heart. We had a good relationship for a while, and I felt like I could exert some influence on him to point him in the right direction regarding respect for women and all the other difficult things that young men are having trouble with in today's toxic masculine world. But when he started going through those typical teenage mood swings, he pulled away from me and fell under the influence of my brothers and dad, and soon enough he was watching Ben Shapiro and other right-wing garbage on Youtube. It was too late for me to reach him.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52951 on: January 16, 2019, 04:53:20 PM »
Quote from: marrec
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bork sort this out

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52952 on: January 16, 2019, 04:54:36 PM »
That said, in terms of your opinions and your right to say them, that is pretty much protected in the US where in Europe is not.
There are very constrained edge cases where the US is more permissive than Europe (holocaust denial being a big one), but on the whole it's ridiculous to say there are no protections for free speech or freedom of expression in Europe.

There is no 1st amendment like protections. That is what I meant.  There is nothing to stop any new legislation being passed tomorrow. Which is why we have hate speech in Europe. There is nothing to protect us from not having hate speech laws.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52953 on: January 16, 2019, 04:57:26 PM »
You do realize the US has hate speech laws, right? Meaning they don't have absolute free speech either, which according to you is not Free Speech(TM).

What hate speech laws?

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Hate speech in the United States. Hate speech in the United States is not regulated, in contrast to that of most other liberal democracies. The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that hate speech is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment.
Well, fuck me sideways. Still, my point stands. The US being closer to the ideal doesn't mean that Europe doesn't have any free speech protections whatsoever. :hmph

[parade of Bowsette]
You have to use something that doesn't have near forum-wide approval.
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52954 on: January 16, 2019, 04:57:35 PM »
My "essay" was like two quarter-paragraphs. That ain't no essay.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52955 on: January 16, 2019, 04:59:57 PM »
You do realize the US has hate speech laws, right? Meaning they don't have absolute free speech either, which according to you is not Free Speech(TM).

What hate speech laws?

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Hate speech in the United States. Hate speech in the United States is not regulated, in contrast to that of most other liberal democracies. The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that hate speech is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment.
Well, fuck me sideways. Still, my point stands. The US being closer to the ideal doesn't mean that Europe doesn't have no free speech protections whatsoever. :hmph

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You have to use something that doesn't have near forum-wide approval.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52956 on: January 16, 2019, 05:00:03 PM »
My "essay" was like two quarter-paragraphs. That ain't no essay.

In this post I will write an essay in an attempt to prove you wrong and show that essays can indeed be like two quarter paragraphs:

Introduction to the Essay-

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not really tho
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52957 on: January 16, 2019, 05:00:20 PM »
The first amendment is the condom that protects lady liberty from getting knocked up by the jizz of agenda-driven censorship

But some people say we've kept it in our wallet too long when in actuality it's still fine and they're just trying to poke a hole in it

Now others argue that lady liberty could just take a morning after pill but with the way big pharma is going she might get to the CVS and find out the price is all jacked up

So she'll just stand there at the counter quietly sobbing with censorship jizz slowly leaking out of her puss
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52958 on: January 16, 2019, 05:00:46 PM »
There is no 1st amendment like protections. That is what I meant.
Why didn't you say that the first time. >:(

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52959 on: January 16, 2019, 05:03:11 PM »
There is no 1st amendment like protections. That is what I meant.
Why didn't you say that the first time. >:(
He's following my teachings
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52960 on: January 16, 2019, 05:03:15 PM »
The first amendment is the condom that protects lady liberty from getting knocked up by the jizz of agenda-driven censorship

But some people say we've kept it in our wallet too long when in actuality it's still fine and they're just trying to poke a hole in it

Now others argue that lady liberty could just take a morning after pill but with the way big pharma is going she might get to the CVS and find out the price is all jacked up

So she'll just stand there at the counter quietly sobbing with censorship jizz slowly leaking out of her puss
Great. Now I am extremely aroused.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52961 on: January 16, 2019, 05:04:33 PM »
There is no 1st amendment like protections. That is what I meant.
Why didn't you say that the first time. >:(

I wish I did to be honest. :p

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52962 on: January 16, 2019, 05:08:42 PM »
That said, in terms of your opinions and your right to say them, that is pretty much protected in the US where in Europe is not.
There are very constrained edge cases where the US is more permissive than Europe (holocaust denial being a big one), but on the whole it's ridiculous to say there are no protections for free speech or freedom of expression in Europe.

There is no 1st amendment like protections. That is what I meant.  There is nothing to stop any new legislation being passed tomorrow. Which is why we have hate speech in Europe. There is nothing to protect us from not having hate speech laws.

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you are using Europe very liberally here, because Sweden does have both freedom of the press and speech constitutionally protected, meaning that it would take two parliamentary sessions with an election inbetween to change them


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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52963 on: January 16, 2019, 05:10:30 PM »
when private entities have taken over hosting the public spaces that previously were operated by the government they obviously have to take over the responsibilities to protect free speech as well.
wat

I will also point out that the threat doesn't come solely from the US, Europe is just as much a threat, possibly a bigger threat since there are no free speech protections.
wat

how was that unclear? private enterprise now owns the spaces where the soap boxes are placed


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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52964 on: January 16, 2019, 05:12:00 PM »
They own their own soapboxes which everyone wants on because of their attached audiences.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52965 on: January 16, 2019, 05:12:44 PM »
:cat
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« Reply #52966 on: January 16, 2019, 05:14:09 PM »
No, I'm afraid you have to find something much worse. This is a secret weeb forum after all.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52967 on: January 16, 2019, 05:16:24 PM »
:cat
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52968 on: January 16, 2019, 05:18:17 PM »
:cat
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52969 on: January 16, 2019, 05:19:03 PM »
And there it is.


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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52971 on: January 16, 2019, 05:26:24 PM »
Free speech in Europe is a funny thing.

In the Netherlands we have something called "Freedom of expression".

However, you can't discriminate against religions, sex, ethnicity, race etc. ,denying the Holocaust is forbidden, insulting the royal family and or a befriended head of state is also forbidden but satire isn't.
By Dutch law calling Erdogan a pedo would actually be forbidden. Light hearted jokes about Muhammed would not be but no one wants to end up dead like Theo van Gogh so comedians avoid the subject as much as possible.

These laws were seldom used but with everything turning POLITICAL there are more and more cases regarding these subjects.
Germany had the comic who wrote a poem about Erdogan and was dragged to court. In the Netherlands we had Wilders, who asked his voters: "Do you want more or less moroccans?" to which everyone replied: "LESS LESS LESS"
And that stunt has him doing trials for the past 3 years now.
Holocaust denial was not much of a thing for a while until radical islamists started to spread the gospel again. So now a lot of young Turks deny both the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide ever happened.

Every once in a while the government makes an example out of someone who crossed the line (Wilders) but in general these laws aren't enforced.
Which makes it all the more tricky when someone who throws an insult at the king is suddenly fined.

Where the EU stands on this is clear, when a bunch of weirdo's in the US made a hilarious shitty movie critizing the Islam and riots started(???) Schultz who headed up the EU parliament at that time did this:


It was then that I understood that politicians would never understand internet culture and trolling and thus would be powerless if those forces were ever used against them.
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52972 on: January 16, 2019, 05:38:38 PM »
That said, in terms of your opinions and your right to say them, that is pretty much protected in the US where in Europe is not.
There are very constrained edge cases where the US is more permissive than Europe (holocaust denial being a big one), but on the whole it's ridiculous to say there are no protections for free speech or freedom of expression in Europe.

There is no 1st amendment like protections. That is what I meant.  There is nothing to stop any new legislation being passed tomorrow. Which is why we have hate speech in Europe. There is nothing to protect us from not having hate speech laws.

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you are using Europe very liberally here, because Sweden does have both freedom of the press and speech constitutionally protected, meaning that it would take two parliamentary sessions with an election inbetween to change them

Yeah. I will choose my words carefully here as I'm just going to get the same argument back. What I would have said is that Sweden has 'hate speech' laws which makes the protection of free speech misleading. It is free speech with pretty big concessions. Of course as we have already been through, the counter argument would just be, there is a line somewhere even in America.

I'm just going to say that concessions to 'free speech' like this are a pretty big obstacle in the way of people being able to freely express an opinion. I mean disrespecting someone's faith is classed as hate speech in Sweden. Seems like a pretty big concession to me..


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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52974 on: January 16, 2019, 05:41:54 PM »
Germany had the comic who wrote a poem about Erdogan and was dragged to court.
Not quite. The case was dropped, but Merkel publicly approved of it going ahead, likely to protect the refugee deal with Turkey.

The law that allowed Böhmermann's prosecution has since been abolished, so some good came of the whole affair.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52975 on: January 16, 2019, 05:42:21 PM »
Society Comes At The Cost Of Concessions.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52976 on: January 16, 2019, 05:43:37 PM »
Society Comes At The Cost Of Concessions.

The cost of concessions can also be positive or negative.

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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52977 on: January 16, 2019, 05:43:44 PM »
jensen please to be calming your tits
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52978 on: January 16, 2019, 05:43:49 PM »
SCAT COC
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Re: Other Forums |OT| Book Reading, Free Speech, and Full-Blown Centrists Within
« Reply #52979 on: January 16, 2019, 06:01:19 PM »
I hate this page.