https://www.resetera.com/threads/progressive-icon-glenn-greenwald-went-on-fox-news-to-both-sides-the-maga-teens-and-blame-the-media.95049/post-17129982
Wait, you couldn't stomach watching more than 5 seconds of the video because of this kid but you know everything about said incident? Hmmmm
I know from experience what it's like to be a smugly superior white boy, and I know that smirk when I see it. Explain to me how I misread this incident.
Reading the last page, I can't believe how hard they're trying to make the kids the harassers here.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/progressive-icon-glenn-greenwald-went-on-fox-news-to-both-sides-the-maga-teens-and-blame-the-media.95049/post-17133470You're literally parroting the same spin out of the right wing PR machine. Stop and actually think about the way breaking up fights and tense situations work. The peacekeeper drives distance between the agitators. Between the MAGA mob yelling at the Black Israelites and those passing women, it is clear that the MAGA mob was an agitator. This is not what a group of polite catholic boys waiting for their bus looks like:
How desperate do you have to be for the narrative to be true to read that into the footage. No sane person could read it in that way.
When Phillips got between the groups in a pretty obvious attempt to diffuse the situation, did the MAGA boys retreat (as a group would do if their intent was to diffuse the situation, as claimed)? No, they simply switched their taunting target to Phillips and surrounded him.
They were just standing there. If they tried to retreat and the native Americans followed them, he would have said, "why didn't they run?". These bullshit standards he expects of young kids is amazing.
Not sure why you're so hung up on how far they had to walk to choose to be in the position they were in where they had him surrounded, jumping up and down jeering at him.
It'd be different if they were just standing there idly waiting on their bus and some random guy walks over and starts drumming in the middle of their group for no reason, but that's not what happened. They weren't at a bus stop, they were crowding around the Black Israelites and taunting back and forth.
So, what, they accidentally surrounded Nathan in an attempt to intimidate a native elder into silence? What stopped them from simply walking away like normal people? Why do you keep looking for these sort of outs that let them off the hook or suggest it fundamentally changes the narrative?
I think pretty much everyone agrees that the longer video makes some things clear that weren't clear before -- particularly how the situation got to where it did. You seem to think "how we got to this point" is the crux of the "outrage culture" that you ridicule. You're practically trying to have it both ways with this post -- the outrage is "justified," but also "misplaced"? It seems that you bought into the right wing spin that the full video changes everything and are now trying to backtrack a bit when corrected
Why is he trying to interpret everything in the worst possible way?
Also this David Futrelle Tweet.
https://t.co/88tvkanaccI can't imagine being so invested in this story, a specific narrative of this story really, that you look for anything to keep it true in your mind. The crazy thing is, even if they really instigated everything, we're talking about kids. Kids that have been doxed, abused and harassed. Yet, not even having all the facts has given them pause for thought. Instead they have desperately looked for anything so they can double down and justify that abuse. It's sick.
