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Stro

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« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2018, 07:16:45 PM »
I agree most of them are not good movies in a traditional sense, they're kind of their own genre so they get a pass. They are what they are :yeshrug

They all have story and pacing issues, all could cut 20-30 minutes, acting is not always top notch, but they're cool travelogues and usually doing state of the art stunts or on the cutting edge of something cool before it blows up into the mainstream. And charming personalities.

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« Reply #61 on: September 25, 2018, 05:46:49 PM »
Some (late) news:

Cary Fukunaga is now directing Bond 25, which is scheduled to be out in 2020.


All I know is it is so dark inside my head that I need to watch a Roger Moore movie. Hard to pick between Live and Let Die and The Man With The Golden Gun. I want to make a super cut of Moore smirks.

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« Reply #62 on: September 25, 2018, 06:09:02 PM »
I've re-watched a few Bonds movie recently and I have some quick opinions.

Casino Royale-It's ok, too long. The romance aspect kind of bores me.

QoS-I think it's pretty underrated. The action is actually really good, though edited kind of poorly. There are some fantastic scenes though and it's actually a very good looking movie. I feel it's better paced then CR which is a huge improvement. Honestly, I think this is one of the best Bonds.

Skyfall-Really enjoyable movie and a nice return to the typical Bond format, but made a bit more unique thanks to Craig Bond. The story has more stakes and relevancy then normal Bonds because of that. Amazing opening song and acting.

Spectre-It's ok, I think it gets a little long winded the more it goes on. The plot feels kind of too obvious and then when the reveal comes it's like whatever. The last act sucks.

Living Daylights-Honestly this may have rocketed up as one of my favorites. Dalton plays a really good Bond that feels a bit more grounded. It's more traditional then the one that follows it and thats why I think I like it. There's lots of good action here with a solid plot and a good Bond.

License to Kill-While this has a more interesting premise then Daylights and is darker, I liked Daylights more. Still good for those reasons though.

Goldeneye-I'm from the 90s so a classic.

World is Not Enough-Another that I feel is underrated. I like the story here more then most Bond movies as the situation Bond is involved in feels like it has a lot going on. I wish the good Bond Girl wasn't in here as Denise Richards sucks and feels tacked on. But the Bad Bond girl is great.
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« Reply #63 on: September 25, 2018, 06:17:13 PM »
Yeah Sophie Marceau is really great in that and it's a shame she didn't get to be in a good movie. Imagine if she had been in a Craig movie instead :gladbron

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« Reply #64 on: September 25, 2018, 07:06:50 PM »
Found the entire series soundtracks in FLAC :noah


Live and Let Die soundtrack is amazing. So much filthy funk and dirty basslines :lawd


I can't find it online, but the track "Bond meets Solitaire" is incredible.

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« Reply #65 on: September 26, 2018, 12:42:51 PM »
All I know is it is so dark inside my head that I need to watch a Roger Moore movie. Hard to pick between Live and Let Die and The Man With The Golden Gun. I want to make a super cut of Moore smirks.

Kind of a toss up for me, as I like both movies a lot and just watched them both recently via a Roger Moore 007 Collection I got on sale on Vudu.  I would probably give the edge to LALD for the hotness of Solitaire versus Goodnight acting like a dimwit, and the end Bond/villain confrontation is much better IMO with the exploding Kanaga vs. Scaramonga just randomly getting shot because he couldn't tell the real Bond versus a mannequin.  Also like you said, the soundtrack is great, with one of the best Bond themes ever.

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« Reply #66 on: September 26, 2018, 01:17:25 PM »
All I know is it is so dark inside my head that I need to watch a Roger Moore movie. Hard to pick between Live and Let Die and The Man With The Golden Gun. I want to make a super cut of Moore smirks.

Kind of a toss up for me, as I like both movies a lot and just watched them both recently via a Roger Moore 007 Collection I got on sale on Vudu.  I would probably give the edge to LALD for the hotness of Solitaire versus Goodnight acting like a dimwit, and the end Bond/villain confrontation is much better IMO with the exploding Kanaga vs. Scaramonga just randomly getting shot because he couldn't tell the real Bond versus a mannequin.  Also like you said, the soundtrack is great, with one of the best Bond themes ever.

I have some issues with LALD (mostly the absurd racism, which is greatly toned down from the book, somehow :lol) but those were my options because they were the only two Moore ones I have on my PC at the moment. I didn't end up watching either, instead spent a few hours of going through soundtracks to see what I wanted to take with me to the gym.

Youtube flags this shit IMMEDIATELY, so I had to put it up on Drive/Photos. Tell me this isn't the filthiest shit you've ever heard in a Bond movie :lawd

Bond Meets Solitaire
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aLqLny45dLE-QHKr8scuPUkDSKl_tZLTcg/view?usp=sharing

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« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2018, 03:52:36 PM »
It's interesting to me that most of the Barry era soundtracks all have an instrumental version of the title track that is significantly different, generally slowed down, jazzier, and sometimes with different instrumentation. This starts as early as Dr. No, which while it didn't have an official theme song like the rest of the series, has multiple takes and versions of Three Blind Mice and Under The Mango Tree, with different singers, tempos, and instruments. I can't think of other franchises that does something like that.


Also lmao at this porn music

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« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2018, 03:22:36 PM »
Live and Let Die:







I decided to listen to the audio book version over the week at the gym, then watch the movie and see the differences/similarities. In the broadest of broad strokes, it's the same plot: The first great black criminal and his empire that spans from Harlem to the Caribbean, invocation of Baron Samedi, Solitaire's possible actual psychic abilities. There are some shared scenes, but most of the movie is its own thing and most of the big action pieces from the book find their way into other movies (notably the coral dragging scene in For Your Eyes Only, fairly large chunks of License to Kill being out of this book).

Key differences: Mr. Big is the only character. Kananga, corrupt dictator of a Caribbean island who uses Mr. Big as his alter ego, does not exist in the book. He's just Mr. Big, the first great black criminal, whose operation involves laundering pirate gold, not drugs in the movie. He's also an agent of SMERSH and has apparently all the black people in NYC, New Orleans, Florida, and the islands convinced that he's actual inhabited by the spirit of Baron Samedi himself, because black people are a superstitious lot  :doge Tee Hee is just a normal guy, nothing about the pincer hands or aligator fetish. Instead of being attacked in a train, Bond and Solitaire get off the train a few stops early, which is shot and grenaded in hopes of killing them. Almost all of the island and voodoo scenes are movie exclusive. To get on the island, Bond goes on a SCUBA mission that goes wildly wrong and includes a brawl with an octopus, a barracuda, and a shark. Boy what I would give to see Roger Moore fighting an octopus :lawd There is no Rosie Carver or similar character or black love interest in the book. Nearly all the set pieces in the movie are not from the book. The characters Strangways and Quarrel debut in the book. Of course, both are absent from the movie as they weren't filmed in order, and both died in Dr. No. Quarrel Jr. was created for the movie to fill the spot. Mr. Big/Kananga in the book is eaten by barracudas/sharks after a water mine blew up his boat. Bond doesn't use a literal stacked deck to mind fuck Solitaire into actually fucking in the book. And the fucking is a reward implied to happen after the story. There's no Sheriff Pepper :rejoice


Key similarities: 3 MI6 agents are killed, which sets Bond on the path that leads him to Mr. Big. Bond's time in Harlem/NOLA is pretty much the same in both, complete with the spinning walls and drop out floor. Both are more than a little "accidentally" racist, considering a key plot in both is that all black people are still a bit simple minded when it comes to the supernatural and are easily controlled by fear. Despite the book being from the 50s, and the movie blaxploitation 70s, they're pretty consistent in their portrayal of black people. The audio book having an English dude do all kinds of SHO NUFF MISA BOND type dialogue, recorded well into the mid 00s, is pretty  :doge but you'll get used to it eventually, and it eases up a bit once the story moves past Harlem. It actually got slightly edited, with a few hard Rs getting changed to negro.

In a weird way, the book might actually be less racist, as while it repeatedly focuses on "the first great black criminal", there's also a couple of monologues about the black people catching up, and like all people, they'll have their own great scientists/doctors/politicians/etc, and that their time is coming soon. This was before the Civil Rights Act in the US, and Fleming was notoriously a racist (and sexist, and homophobic) sack of a shit, so it stands out as being pretty forward thinking by his standards. But you know, their first "great" is in criminality. In the movie, nearly every black person shown, in multiple states/countries, is part of a vast criminal organization or they're all simple minded and believe in voodoo. I think there were all of 2 black men who weren't shown to be part of the organization, one is an agent who saves Bond in Harlem, the other being Quarrell Jr. who is entirely subservient to Bond, just like his father was.

There's a LONG section that is a completely ruthless, yet completely accurate description of how utterly terrible Florida is. It's brutal and 60+ years later is still dead on.  The movie has never been one of my favorites, even though I adore Roger Moore, the music is tremendous, Yaphett Koto is great, there are some great stunts and visuals, and Jane Seymore is an absolute smokeshow. :mouf


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« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2018, 12:32:57 PM »
Thuderball/Never Say Never Again




The most controversial book/movie(s) in the series, although not for the things you'd expect: racism and misogyny. Actually, all three versions of this story are pretty empty of those two things, almost to a distracting degree. The long story short version: Thunderball was to be the first Bond movie, and started life as a screenplay by Ian Fleming, Kevin McClory, and a few tagalongs from each men. Fleming wasn't happy with the finished product, so he went off on his own and turned the script into the novel Thunderball, released a few years later, without McClory's permission or crediting him. This led to a bunch of lawsuits that eventually led to McClory getting story credit for the book and movie, as well as rights to the story for future usage, and EON/Fleming Estate licensing story and character rights for 10 years only, which meant SPECTRE/Blofeld were both were hastily killed off in the cold opening to For Your Eyes Only and never mentioned again until EON finally got the rights back for usage in SPECTRE in 2015. I'll get into what McClory could use later.



The movie Thunderball is probably the closest adaptation of the book of any of the stories. Nearly everything in the movie is from the book, save everything in the cold opening and a few action scenes. It's obviously a condensed form, but all the plot points are there: Bond is sent to a wellness clinic, he gets into a spat with a man with a Tong gang tattoo on his wrist, possibly sexually assaults a masseuse, almost gets killed on the rack, locks the gang guy who happens to be a SPECTRE agent in a sauna thing, SPECTRE has their finance meeting and the guy gets electrocuted in his chair for his petty spat with Bond, they steal a NATO plane carrying nuclear warheads to hold ransom hiding it underwater in the Bahamas, Bond's baccarat game with Largo down to lines directly from the book, Bond leads a team of CIA agents into a giant underwater battle, Domino kills Largo with a spear gun.

There are some minor differences, like the reason Bond was sent to Shrubland in the book being that M from time to time would get really into whatever latest health fad was going on and would force the office into following it as well. Shrubland Clinic was essentially a detox center where old dudes would go to get cleaned up so their dicks would work again. In Bond's case, it was more or less rehab and is a platform to talk about Bond and Fleming's shared alcoholism and smoking habits. And they aren't portrayed as good or cool things. Bond's drinking and smoking are both excessively excessive, something he really doesn't even get enjoyment from anymore, and are the result of what would probably be considered a form of PTSD coping today. It's the job that gives such life to the habits, and once he gets cleaned up, his personality is much more amiable and patient, his face is less cruel, he feels rested and alert, and he even enjoys the paperwork at work. But when he gets called back into the field, a particularly bad day requires a drink, and it's portrayed as somewhat sad. None of this is touched on in either movie, which is a shame as it's a pretty interesting and unexpected exploration of the character. I also wish there could have been a scene with Bernard Lee being all hopped up and happy about vegan eating or whatever bullshit, making everyone miserable being so upbeat, and then a scene later he has a drink and is back to his miserable self but the rest of the office is happy. Another difference is that Domino kills Largo underwater during the battle, not necessarily to save Bond, but because she was determined to kill him out of revenge for the death of her brother. The whole ending sequence of the boat chase/explosion stuff is not in the book at all. Her brother in the book was simply paid off to hijack the plane and killed after, while in the movie they paid him off to get his face surgically altered to look like a French pilot :lol and Never Say Never Again gets possibly even more absurd by brainwashing him and having a corneal implant that matched the president's eyes so he could pass a retinal scanner :lol :lol :lol  Felix Leiter is much more involved in the book than either movie, acting as a wing man for a good half of the book. The book also goes into quite a lot of detail on SPECTRE and Blofeld himself. The meeting scene in the movie is like 2 full chapters in the book and goes into pretty minute details of their business.

But it's really quite faithful, not particularly surprising since it did start as a movie and was written only 4 years before the movie came out and didn't need much in the way of updating to the times. Adjusted for inflation, it is the most successful of the entire movie series. Skyfall made more, but had a significantly bigger budget. I believe the book was also the most successful in the series, helped no doubt by being the first book to come out after JFK revealed his love of the novels. And you know, in the past there have been times I found it pretty dull, the underwater scenes in particular, but it's really a delight of a movie. It looks beautiful, all of the colors really pop. The story moves at a pretty good clip, the underwater scenes look great and are a technical marvel from the time even if they would be better sped up, the music is great, the women are great, Largo is a good villain. It's a good Bond movie for sure.



Then we get to Never Say Never Again. Considering Kevin McClory was directly involved in this movie, it's pretty wild how little of the book it uses. They very basic plot and characters are the same, but the little details are way different (SPECTRE doesn't hijack a plane, they instead switch out dummy missiles for armed warheads and steal those, Domino and her brother are the whitest people you've ever seen, Largo is essentially a completely different character, Bond is at the clinic because the new M hates the 00s and he's old and failed a training exercise, nothing that happens at the clinic happens in the book or Thunderball, there certainly are no video games in the book, the Domino of this movie has a completely different personality and look, pretty much all the action scenes are unique to the movie, the whole Tears of Allah thing is movie only, the character of Smallfawcet is not only not in the book but there also isn't any character filling that role in the book at all, and so on). All McClory could use was what was in the original story and Thunderball movie, or make up new situations, but nothing from Fleming books or the other movies that wasn't in Thunderball. This essentially meant he could just remake Thunderball as many times as he could, and he wanted to make a series of movies based on Thunderball in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. He only got one movie made, but getting Connery back as Bond was a pretty big coup, although ultimately NSNA made less money than Octopussy, released a few months apart. I would say Never Say Never Again is a pretty solid Bond movie itself, even though it was missing many of the trademarks of the series like the theme song/Barry's scores in general, the logos, the credits sequence, Bernard Lee/Lois Maxwell/Desmond Llewelyn, Ken Adams sets. Somehow Connery looks both younger and in better shape than he was in Diamonds are Forever, 13 years earlier. The most major flaw against it is how disgustingly grimy English it looks  :yuck

Curiously quite a bit from the novel and NSNA made its way into the Craig series, like the focus on his emotional/mental state leading to the drinking, the getting old and failing on training tests, a black Felix, background info on Blofeld, and so on.

And in the weirdest bit of trivia, Largo's yacht used in NSNA belonged to Adnan Khashoggi, uncle of killed journalist Jamal Khashoggi, and after he sold it to pay off debts, it ended up being purchased by....DONALD TRUMP.  :doge  Also sold to pay off debts and keep the Taj Mahal out of bankruptcy  :lol :lol

BRB emailing Qanon...wait a sec....Q?  :whoo it's finally all making sense
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« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2018, 02:31:33 PM »
How do these older Bond movies hold up in general?

I feel that some movies like Network and Lawrence of Arabia are timeless while others clearly show their age.
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« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2018, 03:01:38 PM »
Would you imagine James Bond movies to be Network/Lawrence of Arabia tier films?

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« Reply #72 on: December 16, 2018, 03:06:09 PM »
Would you imagine James Bond movies to be Network/Lawrence of Arabia tier films?
I have no clue. I catched glimpses of the classic bond movies on TV when I was a kid but I never really watched it until Goldeneye, Die Another Day and the likes.
However, I do know that I don't mind watching old movies and looking past crappy special effects. I also greatly enjoy the classic Indiana Jones movies.
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« Reply #73 on: January 03, 2019, 03:49:12 PM »
You Only Live Twice






The very bare bones of a skeleton connect the book and film versions (Bond in Japan with Tiger Tanaka, going undercover as "A Japanese", marrying Kissy Suzuki as part of the cover, and taking on Blofeld in a lair), but they're very different in tone and the small details. For starters, the book version came after OHMSS, instead of the opposite with the films. As a result, the book version deals with a despondent, depressed Bond who has become an even bigger drunk, a risky gambler, and has had his work decline so greatly that M is about to remove him from the service all together. It's the MI6 psychiatrist that suggests they give Bond one more "impossible" mission, hoping it would snap him back to his senses. The mission itself isn't particularly important to the story, but acts as a topic that allows Fleming to talk about the state of the world post WWII, the decline of England's power in the world, the strain of the US/UK relationship, and Japan's place in the world. This was the last book published while Fleming was alive, and it's pretty surly. There are multiple long monologues decrying the state of the world, the oncoming threat of multiculturalism, declining empires, shitty cultures, and so on. They come from varying perspectives (Tiger Tanaka on the US's influence on Japanese culture, the Australian Henderson's views on Aboriginals and NATO type alliances, Bond's "it's not so bad" take on England's current state and future as Tanaka ruthlessly shits on how England threw away its empire, Blofeld's maniacal...well, everything), but there is certainly a grumpy and often fatalistic tone from nearly everyone in the book that is missing from the movie entirely.

I would say the majority of the book is Tanaka teaching Bond about Japanese culture. That's completely brushed off in the movie with a quip about Bond having taken Oriental studies in college, but the book goes into much detail about all aspects of Japanese culture in a way that I'd have expected Fleming served time there during the war, but it turns out his first trip to Japan was in 1959. There's certainly a preoccupation with death and suicide in Fleming's eyes as shown through Tanaka's lens. It comes up constantly, there are frequent suicide jokes, and in fact the reason Bond ends up with Blofeld is because Blofeld, under the name "Dr. Shatterhand" has filled an island with unique deadly creatures and plants, and so many Japanese people are sneaking onto the island to die that the Japanese government (or at least Tanaka) wants to use fellow gaijin Bond to take him out as they don't have a legal claim and don't want an international incident of the Japanese killing a legal foreigner without legal cause who is helping the scientific community at large in the country. It's not until fairly late into the book that Bond discovers this guy is Blofeld at all, and then his mission becomes solely revenge, ending with him strangling Blofeld to death, then being so spent that he essentially has a suicide attempt that would have worked had Kissy not saved him. However, the rest of the world assumes he is dead, and there's even an obituary chapter that's full of Fleming's own history, and the book ends with a now amnesiac Bond believing he actually is a Japanese man living with his wife Kissy, who will not reveal his true past to him.

There's not much action in the book, something that was derided upon its release, but I find the dark, often pessimistic and bitter tone of the book to work quite well. Blofeld is now a full blown maniac who has this "death island" because it's never been done in history before, and he wants to be known as a super evil and crazy dude. He's actually directly compared to Hitler more than once and his character change is touched upon as possibly being due to some kind of breakdown after his previous plots were foiled by Bond. Or that he's just getting crazier as he goes on. He protects himself on the island by walking around in full samurai armor :lol If there's one thing I wish had carried over to the movie more than anything, it's Donald Pleasance in full samurai gear.

All this said, the movie version is one of my favorites, maybe my favorite Connery movie. The same aspects of Japan that Tanaka is disgusted with in the book are shown in the movie as cool and exotic, the fashion is top notch, the music is great, its shot wonderfully (especially the roof top brawl with the helicopter tracking shot :lawd), the sets are possibly the best in any of the movies.

So the book and movie, while sharing the same DNA, are pretty wildly different, but both pretty good in their own versions. The movie version was written by Ronald Dahl, who despite being a good friend of Fleming openly shit on the book as Fleming's worst work and also that he had no idea what to do with it as a movie or even how to to write a script, which gives it a much different viewpoint than the book and I'd say the rest of the movies from the era as well. The movie version fared better than the book version, although critics weren't very kind to either version at the time. Now it's pretty much just known as "the one where James Bond becomes Japanese" or "the most racist Bond movie/book". The book does have a LOT of "slit eyes" or "slanty eyes" type shit in it, but the movie probably outdoes it with the actual visuals of Connery being "transformed" into a Japanese man with the eye lids, skin dye, and wig.


Idk I like both quite a bit.

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« Reply #74 on: January 07, 2019, 05:48:32 AM »
Octopussy and The Living Daylights






Originally a series of short stories for various publications, the original release was just Octopussy and The Living Daylights. Over the years, Property Of A Lady and 007 In New York were added to the collection and re-released (multiple times) posthumously. Octopussy actually isn't a Bond story at all. He only acts as a catalyst for a flashback telling of Major Dexter Smythe's theft of Nazi gold and murder of Hannes Oberhauser, a local ski instructor who would eventually end up in the Gestapo and who happened to be a man who acted as a father figure to James when he needed one the most. You may recognize that name and plotline from SPECTRE. Anyway, Major Smythe is actually a pretty pathetic character, thinking he's living the high life after his windfall, but in actuality he's an old dying drunk who lives alone on the islands because his wife committed suicide and his only friends are the fish he sees when he dives. Including his "pet" Octopussy. Bond only comes into contact with the case because Oberhauser's body turned up in the mountains after a warm spring and he decided he would personally find who killed his mentor. In the end, Bond leaves Smythe the ol' "Maybe you should kill yourself dawg" method he uses on Mr. White in SPECTRE, however when he reads that Smythe was found drowned in the papers, he assumes it was suicide, but Smythe actually got killed by the octopus. The barebones of the story was used as a brief backstory for the character Octopussy in the movie with a change from Nazi gold in WWII to Chinese gold in the Korean War (was that even a thing?), but that and the name are it as far as movie and book are concerned. It's a shame because the Smythe character and the whole story being from his perspective was pretty interesting.

The Property Of A Lady is the inspiration for the Faberge Egg bullshit in the movie, although pretty different circumstances. In the short story, the KGB is clandestinely releasing them to auctions and artificially raising the price to pay off informants/agents they don't want any paper trail on. Bond's role is to flush out the Resident Director of the KGB in London at the auction. The movie version is more complicated and dumber, but anyway it's really quite dull, so dull and boring that Fleming refused payment for putting out such uninteresting dreck. 

As for the movie Octopussy, :rejoice I can't believe there was ever a time in my life when I didn't love this movie. Such a delight. It's like a greatest hits. Do you like a villain in a Nehru jacket with a weird accent? What about a woman working with the villain who has a harem/circus (literally) of women and ends up on Bond's side? A silent, ethnic bodyguard who crushes the playing piece of a game after Bond cheats to win using the same method the villain was using? How about fights on a train? Do you like unique flying vehicles? Jungles? Watch gadgets? Q showing up on location with Bond despite the complete lack of sense? What about a rogue Russian? Perhaps you're into nuclear extinction? World domination? A reminder that Bond is a stone cold killer? Crazy stunts? It has everything. It's a true delight from start to finish.

A crazy Russian general, pissed about the thawing cold war and perceived weakening of Soviet Russia's defenses, clandestinely partners with jewel smugglers Kamal Khan and "Octopussy". Octopussy has diversified her business and also runs a circus, which she uses as a front for smuggling jewels around Europe. The general and Khsn, unbeknownst to her, use the set up to plant a nuclear bomb on the circus train, which will go off on a US military base in Berlin. Because the early warning system won't go off, international media will have no choice to believe that it was an American bomb that went off, which will force unilateral disarmament by NATO, leaving the whole of Europe free for Soviet invasion. If it sounds  :lol, it is.  :lol :lol :lol Bond gets involved when 009, who had infiltrated the circus, is killed recovering a Faberge egg that happens to be fake.  :lol

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« Reply #75 on: January 09, 2019, 05:28:03 PM »
Octopussy movie is also the most recent incident of a woman named Maud being sexy.

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« Reply #76 on: January 09, 2019, 05:41:05 PM »
#MaudSquad


EDIT: I should point out that Tom Hiddleston read Octopussy and The Living Daylights, so those folks that want him as the next Bond should check it out and find that he fucking sucks and has no pizzazz whatsoever reading Bond, but breathes such life into the side characters.
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« Reply #77 on: January 12, 2019, 08:03:57 PM »
The Living Daylights


So the short story version is a very surly, fed up with his job, Bond is tasked with helping a British secret agent cross from East to West Berlin, by killing the sniper set up to kill the agent. While doing recon, he keeps seeing a blonde cellist and starts making up fantasies with her, only to find she's the sniper he's supposed to kill. He instead shoots her hand/the rifle, and his handler says he's going to tell M he failed the mission on purpose, and Bond doesn't give a shit because he doesn't even want the job anymore. It ends with him joking that he scared the living daylights out of her.

The movie takes the basic structure of that with the cellist sniper and having to protect an escaping agent, moves it to Czechoslovakia, makes the agent a defecting Soviet and then.....well, the defecting agent is kidnapped in England, but it was staged because he was never defecting in the first place, and he's actually working with an American arms dealer who was selling weapons to the Russians and the Afghans, but the Russians are getting framed or some shit, so the Russians and the British work together on a plan to get this phony defector and arms dealer and along the way James Bond ends up helping the Mujaheddin defeat the Russians and indirectly be responsible for 9/11. There's even a plane hijacking with a bomb and then it being used as a missile. :doge

In many ways, it could easily be a Roger Moore movie. There's a lot of silly shit in it, and more than a fair share of schmaltz. Dalton was more believable at the schmaltzy shit and definitely at being a nasty piece of work when needed, though. Of the original 5, he's definitely the closest to the books in tone and appearance. The movie itself...well, it does have a lot of  spy shit, probably more than any of the other movies actually. However, the books don't get as confusing or complex, and there's usually more long stretches of detail about whatever Fleming was into that vacation than actual spy work. You're much more likely to get a chapter on fish or a gun than spy gambits. I quite like this one, and I really like Dalton and wish he had more movies, but it's pretty confusing. Even after watching it, reading up about it, and writing it out, I'm still not positive I have the plot 100% accurate  :lol

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« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2019, 04:59:06 PM »
The Man With The Golden Gun







This was the last story Fleming wrote. It was released posthumously, even though it was only in the first draft stage, and as such it's been assumed that it was somewhat punched up by editors and publishers. Fleming's writing style was to throw out the story and plot in the first draft, then go back and add the heavy details on whatever topic he happened to be super into at the time or wanted to show off his knowledge of, and since he died before he could get to the second draft...well, it's pretty short and sparse. He was sick and tired while writing it, and in some ways it was written only because the reaction to You Only Live Twice was so negative that he thought he had to make up for it. It got a slightly better response mostly because the reviews seemed to be more eulogies than shitting on the book.

The movie uses very little from the book beyond the golden gun, Scaramanga's third nipple, and vague mob/western connections. The book is set in, of course, Jamaica, not the far east. As it follows up from You Only Live Twice, it starts with the presumed dead Bond returning from Japan having been brainwashed by the KGB and attempting to assassinate M with a poison pen. M, instead of holding a grudge, figures if the Bond has been brainwashed, he can be unbrainwashed :doge and does exactly what he does in YOLT: Gives Bond a nearly impossible mission hoping it will snap him back into shape.  In this case, it's tracking and killing Scaramanga, the man with the golden gun, responsible for the deaths of many MI6 agents, among other agencies and crimes. He ends up tracking Scaramanga down, and then the majority of the book is Bond working as Scaramanga's "body guard" as Scaramanga plans his next caper with his group of mob/KGB/Cuban secret police/other baddies. He has many, many times to kill Scaramanga, but can't bring himself to even though he knows he should, most of the time Scaramanga knows Bond is bullshitting his identity, and it ends with Bond being forced to kill Scaramanga in the jungle.

The movie is about Scaramanga having a "solex agitator", which could be used to solve the energy crisis, and his plan to sell it off to the highest bidder. He lives on his own private island and has a dwarf butler/servant/maid/whatever and wishes to test his skills against the famed James Bond. His backstory and nipples are the same, other than that the movie follows its own thing almost entirely. Which is great, because it's :lol :lol :lol as hell. :lol The first line of the movie is, "Nick Nack! Tabasco!" :dead Nick Nack runs the island and hires dudes to come kill Scaramanga, to keep Scaramanga in top shape, but Nick Nack gets all of the money and island should any of these dudes be successful. Fun house mazes and lurid 70s rock :lawd

Roger Moore is easily at his surliest in this movie, to the point where it feels kind of wrong. He's a real dick head in this, and while normally he's kind of a dick, it's in a smarmy know it all kind of way, but in this one he's angry and an asshole in a lot of scenes. It's not even like the aggressive masculinity you'd get from Connery, it just seems like he's in a bad fucking mood the entire movie :jeanluc I guess it does kind of make sense as Scaramanga sent a personal message that he was going to kill Bond directly to M's office, but he's rude as hell to literally everyone in the movie. In the commentary track Roger talked about how he didn't really like this particular movie or take as Bond, precisely because he was too mean and aggressive and he wasn't comfortable slapping women around. I don't remember if he was actually directed to be "more like Sean", but I do seem to remember him talking about how he wasn't comfortable doing "Sean things".

Some of the best sets in the series :rejoice. Special shout out to the half Chinese/half English slanted HQ built in the wreckage of the Queen Elizabeth :lawd. Mary Goodnight is introduced into the films, but she's an agent and one off where as she's Bond's secretary and appears in multiple books. He pretty much has the same relationship with her as he does Moneypenny in the books, yet in the movie he seems to think she's a fucking moron who is just getting in his way and doesn't try to hide it. The plot gets pretty muddled by the half way point, so if you lose track of what's going on, oh well. You get a rare pissy Roger Moore and Christopher Lee doing Christopher Lee things. There's a strong karate/kung fu movie influence, the sub plot is about the energy crisis, everyone has wide as hell collars. It's wonderfully mid 70s.