All upcoming FFXV DLC cancelled except for Ardyn, Tabata resigned

[Wrath2X]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ffxv-dlcs-canceled-episode-ardyn-still-coming-tabata-resigned.79650/

Trailer for episode Ardyn:



I was looking forward to playing as Waifu Aranea :'(

As much as I love the base game this makes the overall production of FFXV even worse. 10 fucking years of nothing, Tabata gets brought in to develop something from scratch, and then keeps adding more shit free and paid until he eventually resigns and the rest of the DLC get's cancelled. What a shitshow.

And yet Nomura continues to roam free.

[Himu]

Resigned how? From SE or from the project?

Fucking SE.

[benjipwns]

The Pelosi-Karavan starvation agenda at work, folks.

/AiA

[bork]

[I'm a Puppy!]

Seems odd. He took a game that could've been a disaster and made it OK. Why would Square let someone like that go? It makes no sense.

[Great Rumbler]

Kick Tabata to the curb, but keep giving major projects to Nomura. 

[benjipwns]

Seems odd. He took a game that could've been a disaster and made it OK. Why would Square let someone like that go? It makes no sense.

Please understand.

[Himu]

Please end FF

[Rahxephon91]

Please end FF

Why? Because you don't like it?

Please end FF

This could be the first step to your wish.

I very much doubt that.

[Trent Dole]

The FF team just really couldn't handle the jump to HD, could they?
Not that these are the real og ff people anyway, Sakaguchi, Amano, and Uematsu are all pretty much long gone at this point.

[Himu]

Please end FF

Why? Because you don't like it?

Please end FF

This could be the first step to your wish.

I very much doubt that.

No because I love FF and if there’s one gaming love I truly have it’s that and it’s in dire straits.

[Rahxephon91]

How is it in dire straits?

XV was very successful and a solid game.

It's past the days of Wata and constant milking. Fewer spin-offs and more quality.

Even the mobile games are well received and often pretty experimental.

XIV is a very good game as well.

Tabata wasn't working on a FF game. He was working on a new IP. Luminous Studio was not making a FF game. Whatever was happening there went through millions of dollars already. Things that are seemingly canceled so the studio can refocus on whatever new game they were working on.

The canceling of the DLC is probably because it wasn't making money, the main person pushing for it is gone,  and so BD2 and LS can move on and focus on new projects. Also I don't see how the canceling of unplanned DLC for a single player game that came out two years ago is a huge sign of the series being in dire straights.

And while I know Square is a punching bag that people like, they've been rather solid recently. Plenty of good games big and small. Probably one of the best lineups of the third party developers.

[thisismyusername]

XV was very successful

Obviously not, if they're cancelling the second season.

XIV is a very good game as well.

It's the ONLY success they've had so far, and that's mostly after they dumped MILLIONS into a revamp.

And while I know Square is a punching bag that people like, they've been rather solid recently. Plenty of good games big and small. Probably one of the best lineups of the third party developers.

Except their shit is bombing. See: Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, Life is Strange...

[archie4208]

Not gonna defend XV since I don't like it (even though I was stupid enough to buy it twice), but it has apparently sold 8 million copies.  No clue what its dev costs were, and from what little we know, it seems like development in general was a giant mess, but it did sell very well.  Just comparing it to other recent JRPGs, DQ XI is at 4 million copies and Persona 5 is a hair over 2 million.

[Huff]

I liked XV and looking through our thread here it seemed pretty well received

it  had flaws, especially as it neared the end game and its obvious the they didn't have the amount of content they intended

but i'm glad it made it out and we got a good ole road trip with some bros

[demi]

I'm considering buying the Royal Edition for all the extra content to play

[I'm a Puppy!]

Everyone, everyone. Is Creepy Stalker OK? IS Creepy Stalker OK?!!

[paprikastaude]

No more Nomura please

[Joe Molotov]

No more Nomura please

If Nomura sees he's shadow, there's 10 more years of FFVII Remake development.

[Himu]

I don’t see how you can possibly defend FF or SE on this.

FFXII, XIII, XIV, and XV were all products of development hell or just highly flawed.

FFXII had its director have a breakdown and quietly retire. It has excellent gameplay and a crappy, disjointed story with some potential.

FFXIII had its director limit what FF is to its barest minimum, even beyond FF1 level interaction and exploration on the NES. Its battle system is good, but that’s all it has, and its story is atrocious. It is Final Fantasy with its knees chopped off. It spawns two mediocre sequels.

FFXIV is originally a bomb and a piece of shit. In order for it to get good, SE offers free subs, its original director retires from the company, and it takes an entire revamping. FFXIV is good now and the only success story in the franchise in the past ten years - TEN YEARS, and no I’m not referring to sales because they’ve all sold well because of good will the series has - and yet 2.0 was STILL originally was built on a disaster zone. Bringing up XIV while failing to mention the colossal failing of the original FFXIV is entirely ahistorical.

FFXV is a different game for ten years of development hell, turns into FFXV. Its gameplay is mostly a mess but can be fun, and its story is also a mess although I like the characters. It’s another case of yet again another FF with a completely stripped down, flawed story due to unhinged development. And even then it’s not terribly memorable. It is a game that was worked on, revamped, tinkered with for ten years.

FF is dead unless you play FFXIV and that’s the one success they’ve had in over ten years.

I care very, VERY deeply about Final Fantasy and I don’t see what’s wrong with admitting that something needs to change or that I need to defend the franchise. You have to be very young or a complete fan thing to defend modern Final Fantasy. As someone who was a teenager in the 7-11 years no fucking way is the way modern FF approached remotely acceptable and is a blight on the legacy of this franchise and Sakaguchi, Kitase, Uematsu, Itou, and Amano’s vision.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Please end FF

Ff ended with 10

[Himu]

You’re not entirely wrong. It’s the last fully packaged single player FF that hits everything all the notes of what makes the franchise great.
‘
It was released in 2001.

17 years.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I know

11 is an mmo, very good, but not a mainline ff imho
12, is an offline mmo you can autoplay, plus its set in an existing world (fft), the plot is not very mainline ff either but more fft
13 pass
14 mmo again

How is the mobile FF15?

[Himu]

FFXV Pocket Edition is apparently good and better than the original. It is also on Switch.

[Himu]

Anyways, I really feel for Tabata. FF really chews developers up and grinds them into dust.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Yeah Im thinking of getting it, got FF15 on PS4 but if rather play on Switch.

[paprikastaude]

FF16 by Yoko Taro. Lead a kingdom under machiavellian rule. Entering people's homes and opening their chests spreads accidental terror among citizens. Casting Vita makes the wizard give away his own spirit, so he slowly becomes an empty shell over the course of the game. Soundtrack of the year.

[Rahxephon91]

XV was very successful

Obviously not, if they're cancelling the second season.

XIV is a very good game as well.

It's the ONLY success they've had so far, and that's mostly after they dumped MILLIONS into a revamp.

And while I know Square is a punching bag that people like, they've been rather solid recently. Plenty of good games big and small. Probably one of the best lineups of the third party developers.

Except their shit is bombing. See: Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, Life is Strange...

Obviously the game was a successes since Square has not only said the game was profitable, exceeded expectations, is the fastest selling FF, and is near 9 million sales.

Tabata himself declared the game a success when it sold over 6 million.

The game was so successful they made an entire studio around the team and allowed them to make a new IP. What happen afterwords is anyone's guess.

Maybe actually read thier investment PR results once in a while.

The cancelling of an entirely unplanned second season does not really claim the game was unsuccessful, but is instead probably a result of management refocusing after Luminous Studio blew through millions of dollars o a new IP.

Also thier shit is not 100% bombing. Nier, Octopath, FFXIV, and so on have done well.

[Rahxephon91]

I don’t see how you can possibly defend FF or SE on this.

FFXII, XIII, XIV, and XV were all products of development hell or just highly flawed.

FFXII had its director have a breakdown and quietly retire. It has excellent gameplay and a crappy, disjointed story with some potential.

FFXIII had its director limit what FF is to its barest minimum, even beyond FF1 level interaction and exploration on the NES. Its battle system is good, but that’s all it has, and its story is atrocious. It is Final Fantasy with its knees chopped off. It spawns two mediocre sequels.

FFXIV is originally a bomb and a piece of shit. In order for it to get good, SE offers free subs, its original director retires from the company, and it takes an entire revamping. FFXIV is good now and the only success story in the franchise in the past ten years - TEN YEARS, and no I’m not referring to sales because they’ve all sold well because of good will the series has - and yet 2.0 was STILL originally was built on a disaster zone. Bringing up XIV while failing to mention the colossal failing of the original FFXIV is entirely ahistorical.

FFXV is a different game for ten years of development hell, turns into FFXV. Its gameplay is mostly a mess but can be fun, and its story is also a mess although I like the characters. It’s another case of yet again another FF with a completely stripped down, flawed story due to unhinged development. And even then it’s not terribly memorable. It is a game that was worked on, revamped, tinkered with for ten years.

FF is dead unless you play FFXIV and that’s the one success they’ve had in over ten years.

I care very, VERY deeply about Final Fantasy and I don’t see what’s wrong with admitting that something needs to change or that I need to defend the franchise. You have to be very young or a complete fan thing to defend modern Final Fantasy. As someone who was a teenager in the 7-11 years no fucking way is the way modern FF approached remotely acceptable and is a blight on the legacy of this franchise and Sakaguchi, Kitase, Uematsu, Itou, and Amano’s vision.

Stop being dramatic. Just because you don't like the games dosen't mean the series is dead.

No one here claimed there hasn't been development problems, but that dosen't mean the series is dead.

I mean what a bullshit post "FF is dead unless you like FFXIV or well don't agree with me".

I mean get off it. XIII was a fun game and it's sequels constantly introduced fun gameplay mechanics. XIV is a great game. I don't care if the original version was terrible, the version now is filled with fantastic content. I don't care if XV is'nt the game that Versus was. It was still a solid action jrpg and better then most rpgs of this gen.  So how is FF dead if they keep bringing out games?  People like XV and XIV? People like the mobile games? People even like the spin offs like World of FF. How is the series dead because it hasn't hit some line of quality you set? Because Square is poorly managed?

Who cares? Not me and plenty of people who continue to enjoy these games. So for us the series isn't dead and continues to be in a much better place.

Yes XIV is the one success in ten years expect the game thats sold 8 million and is liked by plenty of people.

This entire post is "The series is dead because the recent mainline games have had development problems. They still came out ,but were imperfect but still resulted in success. But the series is dead because they don't touch me in the feels and some nonsensical legacy of the original creators. Those original creators who made story whatever games 1,2,3, and 5".

[Himu]

FF16 by Yoko Taro. Lead a kingdom under machiavellian rule. Entering people's homes and opening their chests spreads accidental terror among citizens. Casting Vita makes the wizard give away his own spirit, so he slowly becomes an empty shell over the course of the game. Soundtrack of the year.

I want Itou to direct XVI.

[Nintex]

Tabata was seemingly offered among other things higher pay, company stock and even full ownership and control of that studio he runs but it wasn't enough to keep him in.
He probably has a really nice new job lined up somewhere. Not many people would pass on such offers.

[Great Rumbler]

FF16 by Yoko Taro. Lead a kingdom under machiavellian rule. Entering people's homes and opening their chests spreads accidental terror among citizens. Casting Vita makes the wizard give away his own spirit, so he slowly becomes an empty shell over the course of the game. Soundtrack of the year.

This is an incredible idea and I like it, but I can't support it. Yoko Taro must be free.

[Rufus]

I wouldn't want him to suffer the same fate as Matsuno.

[bork]

https://twitter.com/ShaneWatch/status/1060556130433126400

[Mr. Gundam]

I wouldn't want him to suffer the same fate as Matsuno.

You can't suffer a mental breakdown if you're already insane.

[Rufus]

No amount of 2B porn would keep him centered given the clown show dev cycles at SE.

[Himu]

If we ignore FF13, this is the third FF in 12 years to have its director leave the company.

Everything is fine in FF land.

[Tasty]

Please end FF

Ff ended with 10

I thought 12 (Zodiac Age) was supposed to be pretty tight?

Cause after Crystal Chronicles that's my most anticipated Switch FF.

[Bebpo]

Just popping in to say lol SE. FF is pretty much fucked as is SE outside an occasional Taro project and FFXIV and DQ.

Also FFXV was a success (it's the second highest selling FF in the franchise), but no one buys single player DLC after like the first one. Was pretty dumb idea. Should've made the episodes and released them as a package as FFXV-2 or something.

[Rahxephon91]

If we ignore FF13, this is the third FF in 12 years to have its director leave the company.

Everything is fine in FF land.

No one said everything is fine in FF land.

What was said is FF is not dead.

But I like how you have to ignore a major game to make your point.

Straw mans. Exaggeration. Intentional Misleading.

Yep a republican post.

[Himu]

Please end FF

Ff ended with 10

I thought 12 (Zodiac Age) was supposed to be pretty tight?

Cause after Crystal Chronicles that's my most anticipated Switch FF.

12 is amazing, but only its gameplay is amazing. Its story is flawed af with some bright spots in a franchise known for great character moments/set pieces/story hooks. FF without story is like Mario without jumping. So while it's fantastic in a gameplay sense, it's not a complete FF experience.

[Himu]

Just popping in to say lol SE. FF is pretty much fucked as is SE outside an occasional Taro project and FFXIV and DQ.

Also FFXV was a success (it's the second highest selling FF in the franchise), but no one buys single player DLC after like the first one. Was pretty dumb idea. Should've made the episodes and released them as a package as FFXV-2 or something.

These games are all successful. FFXIII, XIV, XV all have sold well. They're all successful in that sense. But are they successful as Final Fantasy's? I don't think so. Even FFXII, which I think is the best overall FF in gameplay, is something I can't say is a truly successful FF. Because of its many weaknesses. XIV ARR is the lone exception.

[Rahxephon91]

FFV has the best gameplay in the series and is considered one of the best in the series.

It has a shit story.

[Himu]

FFV has the best gameplay in the series and is considered one of the best in the series.

I like the game but

People think XV has the best gameplay? In what world? Are they tweens?

[Tasty]

Please end FF

Ff ended with 10

I thought 12 (Zodiac Age) was supposed to be pretty tight?

Cause after Crystal Chronicles that's my most anticipated Switch FF.

12 is amazing, but only its gameplay is amazing. Its story is flawed af with some bright spots in a franchise known for great character moments/set pieces/story hooks. FF without story is like Mario without jumping. So while it's fantastic in a gameplay sense, it's not a complete FF experience.

I mean I just said I'm looking forward to Crystal Chronicles even more, so...

[Tasty]

Yep a republican post.

[tiesto]

I feel that the usual player for long single player rpgs will tend to move on when finished and not really play smaller DLC. It would have to be like a serious expansion (i.e. Torna, Blood and Wine) to get people to care. Story driven rpgs and service gaming don't gel together too well, imo.

Tabata gets credit for picking up the pieces of Nomura's mess and making something of okay quality out of it, but I didn't like how he relied on the crutch of dlc and post game updates to patch story holes, nor do I think the combat in the games I've played by him has been anything more than a janky mess.

I may have even preferred 13 to 15, since at least there was some consistency of vision, the music was good, and combat was fun if not a bit repetitive.

[nachobro]

no aranea dlc

she was the only cool character in that fucking game

[nachobro]

also i agree with giving yoko taro a numbered ff and letting him run wild. i doubt he'd survive the process but considering the resources SE will throw at seemingly anything, the game that resulted would be amazing.

or just make the fucking ffx prequel already

[Huff]

caring too much about SE and FF = a problem and leads to being a dumb dumb

proof? this page

[Himu]

That’s without mentioning that after all this time I just want a traditional ass traditional fucking FF with a solid story, fun gameplay with customization, good/memorable characters, turn based combat. I don’t want a Yoko Taro experimental FF. I want the FF-iest of FF’s at this point for FFXVI. The FFIX of its generation. This is why it needs to be Itou.

[nachobro]

FFXIV fits every part of that criteria for what it's worth

[kingv]

I’d definitely play a Yoko Taro FF, but I’m not really sure why it should exist.

It would just be a yoko taro game with Chocobos and Moogles in it.

[Nabbis]

I for one am excited this time.

[Himu]

FFXIV fits every part of that criteria for what it's worth

I like FFXIV but it’s an mmo.

[paprikastaude]

I will say that in theory I appreciate that such a big series always tried new things in gamedesign and doesn't rely on rehashing. Too bad that they've missed this often - though there's usually good aspects somewhere, so it's not like they've reached Sonic levels.

I think the problem is that FF7 established that they need these spectacle J-Pop cutscenes. This is highlighted by the fact that they took a year to develop a CG cutscene for the sole purpose of showing the destruction of the og FF14 world. Like holy fuck, just focus on the game, why waste any resources such a thing? That reminds me of interviews/PR about Ocarina of Time's development when the remake came out. Because Zelda's cutscenes are made with ingame animations and models, they could easily adjust story and other game design tied to it until close to release. In Final Fantasy, you can't do that, when everything is inherently tied to these big ass prerended story scenes. And if there's significant changes to the game, tons of work has to be thrown away.

[Himu]

The problem is that SE started to believe their own hype and created a culture where graphics was above everything else.

[nachobro]

I like FFXIV but it’s an mmo.

and it's still the most traditional numbered ff game in over a decade (almost two) and probably the most traditional it will ever get again

[thisismyusername]

I like FFXIV but it’s an mmo.

and it's still the most traditional numbered ff game in over a decade (almost two) and probably the most traditional it will ever get again

Honestly, I just want a FF12-2. Lean in hard on that offline MMO gameplay. It was perfect when it released and replaying the HD release just reminded me it was the direction FF should've went instead of "smash X for awesome (vs 13/15), or dive-bomb your HP to 5-star (13 series)."

[nachobro]

just go with the X prequel, for real