That thread on sex habits is full of so many dumb takes and opinions. Something that big is more than being attractive. Ugly people have been having kids and thus getting laid forever. They still do. Old GAF and ERA's obsession on looks is very incel like.
Whatever it is, it's more than just being presentable, attractive and having a good personality. It shows that tons of young men are just giving up relationships, even shallow physical ones. And yes, porn is a factor here. I'm not a prude, but when you can get whatever you want online in terms of sexual fantasy, you're not going to work for the real thing. This is also happening in Japan with waifu culture.
On top of that, economic precarity is another thing. Many young men's economic fortunes are worse than ever. And men generally tie their self worth to their work. Men do not do well unemployed--drug abuse, depression, and on is more common with men while unemployed than women.
Yet these idiots are harping about personalities, hobbies, and Tinder profiles. Look at your parents. They probably plain looking, had regular jobs, watched TV all night after work, had no interesting hobbies at all, yet got laid. This strange theory that you need to be the Most Interesting Man in the World to get laid is bonkers.
To be fair, I would give economic precarity more blame than porn honestly. Porn just makes it easier not to try.
I agree with everything you say, but there is truth to the dating app thing. Women have always been the gatekeepers of sex and in terms of efficiency of design, dating apps are designed for them in order to weed out undesirable men based on physical traits. It's not some conspiracy. The preponderance of relationships that start through dating apps is actually quite high nowadays - I read from...I think Psychology Today that something like 2 in 5 relationships start from online dating. Don't quote me on that number, I vaguely remember it.
This recent phenomenon with sexless men is due to a combination of a lot of things. This is not the entire piece of it, but it's part of it.
I would agree there. I just think it's a smaller factor.
Men are also not adapting well. Most men still dress horribly, have below average grooming, and take below average selfies. If you're going to go a visual medium like the swiping apps at least improve those areas.
Longer term stuff like weight loss should not be something that prevents you from pulling girls. One of my co-workers is a 59 fat dude, who gets laid on the regular. And he uses Tinder. However, he has a life. He travels. He plays music. And he can hold a conversation.
100 percent if all the dudes complaining about Tinder would post their profiles everyone would go a collective--Ah.
Men are not the sexy sex. That may sound un PC, but women are definitely the better-looking sex and are judged even harsher in that area. However, we all see the average or below average dude dating beautiful women. There was even an OK Cupid Trend article that said most women don't find most men on dating physically attractive. However, that does not that mean that does women won't go out with those men.
Go to any city in the world. Men are rather umimpressive and many doing fine. The superlative beautiful man is a rarity.
On top of that, economic precarity is another thing. Many young men's economic fortunes are worse than ever. And men generally tie their self worth to their work. Men do not do well unemployed--drug abuse, depression, and on is more common with men while unemployed than women.
That's also what's causing the blowback against the new wave of feminism and more women trying to make a carreer.
Tons of dudes feel useless and now they have to compete not just with the other guys but also with more succesful women and the fields that promote a more diverse workforce are not say garbage collecting or janitors but instead IT, movies, creative fields and marketing. It drives them up the wall and it sorta seems like cheating when one group is pulled ahead of the other group just based on gender.
There's also the feminization of education. The number of male teachers is rapidly declining and in general women are more protective of children and don't organize the same sort of activities that men would do.
This already started when I was in high school myself. When the male teachers would reward the class by giving us time to play video games, soccer or watch action movies.
And the ladies sorta had their hands full in keeping just the regular classes under control that the best you would get was more 'fun' book reading time.
These days there's not a promotion of diversity at all. The rules are: Feminism = good. Masculinity = bad.
Which just raises a generation of confused bois who start looking for other role models such as the wankdads(getting angry about their position in the world) and/or chad big dick(feeling inadequate).
I do hate that gender discussion has taken an us against them approach. You see a lot on ERA. Any instances where men are struggling and it's men's fault. It's a rather cruel assessment. Men, especially poorer and minority men are not doing well. Men without college educations are doing terribly. And manufacturing, which has been decimated by automation, has been a stable job sector for men for decades. That's all gone.
We can have dual discussion on each gender's struggle without undermining the other. But anything you do bring up areas where men are struggling any concern is dismissed MRA concern trolling.
Also men not doing well in these areas also hurts women. Professional heterosexual women are having a very hard time finding long term romantic success. Women have also reported lower level of happiness than their mothers and grandmothers. Women are also abusing alcohol more and more. It's all interconnected.
