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« Reply #19800 on: June 10, 2019, 08:26:50 AM »
https://twitter.com/erikaverkaaik/status/1138010633209696257

:lawd

Keanu Reeves cancelled.

About what Vomkriege said... well I think some type of leaks are like that asshole spoiling a movie script for people to be upset. Others are just... okay. I mean, if Keanu Reeves was leaked, people wouldn't have been as excited when he appeared in the trailer and on-stage

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« Reply #19802 on: June 10, 2019, 08:35:36 AM »


why is this person doubling down on calling BigBoss someone who hates LGBT when their images literally show that they consider themselves trans and were 100% calling out others who didn't want to date trans people

Because there is a 50% chance BigBoss will be banned because he has an "extensive history,"

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And a 50% a mod will step in and say, "pardon me fellas, could you please not use evidence that makes one of our good posters look stupid.  We only support civil discourse."

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Edit: and I missed that it already happened.

when I first saw it, was just a mod saying "enough with the hostilities" but looks like they got Novel  :lol

https://www.resetera.com/threads/armed-neo-nazis-crash-detroit-pride-with-police-escort-see-staff-post.121978/post-21658051

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The irony of your comments given your shit talking about trans struggles in the past is not lost on me, yes
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19803 on: June 10, 2019, 08:45:22 AM »
"Leaks" are a big gray area and it's probably the better compromise. It's just too vague in itself if it doesn't fall under the purview of confidentiality clauses, corporate espionage, copyright, journalist and whistleblower protection plus whatever other qualifications I may forget.

In the grand scheme of things, "spoiling" a few hours beforehand marketing events for vidyagames is pretty mild.

That Sabi guy is being pretty bad at this and his recklessness might end up having consequences for his sources which is kind of a dick move.
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« Reply #19804 on: June 10, 2019, 08:47:25 AM »
User Banned (Duration Pending): Inflammatory commentary and generalizations; account still in junior phase

I can't know for sure obviously, but i've worked many 45-60 hour weeks and never felt abused. I feel like the majority of people complaining about crunch are just complainers, you'll find them in literally every work environment you ever work in. There are always people that feel they deserve better treatment or more compensation, and they're very rarely the most productive workers.

Inflammatory worker generalization.  This is a serious one - going to have to make this ban pending.

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« Reply #19805 on: June 10, 2019, 08:56:17 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/halo-infinite-is-a-“spiritual-reboot”-takes-place-after-halo-5-e3-2020-is-a-“big-moment”-for-halo-infinite.122037/

Halo Infinite being a spiritual reboot is spiritually true.
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« Reply #19806 on: June 10, 2019, 08:57:09 AM »
"Leaks" are a big gray area and it's probably the better compromise. It's just too vague in itself if it doesn't fall under the purview of confidentiality clauses, corporate espionage, copyright, journalist and whistleblower protection plus whatever other qualifications I may forget.

In the grand scheme of things, "spoiling" a few hours beforehand marketing events for vidyagames is pretty mild.

That Sabi guy is being pretty bad at this and his recklessness might end up having consequences for his sources which is kind of a dick move.

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, but it's a pretty asshole move to leak something like the whole Keanu Reeves appearance, while leaking something like a new line of processors, etc can help with consumer decisions so they're okay in my book. In fact, I believe leaks can help a company. Example, AMD stock has been going up on rumors alone. We still don't have real benchmarks to ascertain the effectiveness of ryzen 3000, yet word of mouth is "intel killer"

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19807 on: June 10, 2019, 08:57:19 AM »
User Banned (Duration Pending): Inflammatory commentary and generalizations; account still in junior phase

I can't know for sure obviously, but i've worked many 45-60 hour weeks and never felt abused. I feel like the majority of people complaining about crunch are just complainers, you'll find them in literally every work environment you ever work in. There are always people that feel they deserve better treatment or more compensation, and they're very rarely the most productive workers.

Inflammatory worker generalization.  This is a serious one - going to have to make this ban pending.

It's a pretty terrible opinion but the ban is even more stupid.
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19808 on: June 10, 2019, 09:01:38 AM »
The video game industry is a fragile entity that should be protected at all times except when it must be viciously attacked with mob justice.
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19809 on: June 10, 2019, 09:05:57 AM »
"Leaks" are a big gray area and it's probably the better compromise. It's just too vague in itself if it doesn't fall under the purview of confidentiality clauses, corporate espionage, copyright, journalist and whistleblower protection plus whatever other qualifications I may forget.

In the grand scheme of things, "spoiling" a few hours beforehand marketing events for vidyagames is pretty mild.

That Sabi guy is being pretty bad at this and his recklessness might end up having consequences for his sources which is kind of a dick move.

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, but it's a pretty asshole move to leak something like the whole Keanu Reeves appearance, while leaking something like a new line of processors, etc can help with consumer decisions so they're okay in my book. In fact, I believe leaks can help a company. Example, AMD stock has been going up on rumors alone. We still don't have real benchmarks to ascertain the effectiveness of ryzen 3000, yet word of mouth is "intel killer"

it's possible they themselves are controlling the rumors because they know it will help their stock, but at the same time don't want to get into conspiracy theories where everything that ends up good for a company must be secretly part of their own plans, so yeah I get ya

I was thinking that too, "oh leaks are so harmful" but it's completely unpredictable how it impacts anything

if you want to talk about this Nintendo thing specifically, let's say 200k people will tune in and get hype without knowing anything about the conference

but imagine a scenario where it was leaked they're showing off I dunno a new open world Kid Icarus game in the Breath of the Wild engine and everyone goes "whaaat that sounds nuts I gotta watch the show" and now 250k people are tuning in
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19810 on: June 10, 2019, 09:07:22 AM »
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Just because it took longer doesn't mean it's any different.
But that’s not how information works. If a game leaked a month before a show... aah you know what, never mind. You’re good. You got this. Good afternoon. I highly recommend Nakamoto Ramen near shinjuku station for dinner or Katsukura at the top of Takashimaya. Extra cabbage and the double pork chop.

MEDIC !

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-sends-a-cease-and-desist-to-insider-that-has-leaked-pretty-much-every-e3-2019-announcement.122088/page-11#post-21661265

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« Reply #19812 on: June 10, 2019, 09:13:06 AM »
One thing not factored into this leak/spoiler thing is how believable you should take the "insider" at all. Somebody going "oh yeah, Keanu Reeves is going to show up to promote Cyberpunk, which he's now in" doesn't sound plausible until it happens because it sounds more like fanfic.

If the person says "Halo and Scarlet have zip to show other than a bunch of dumb bs that will only mean something if Microsoft has to rush out to 'clarify' stuff" that's believable and congrats you're now spoiled. For what will happen at a press conference at an industry event for video games. You piece of shit garbage tier human being.

Frankly, anyone who doesn't just pop over to the developers YouTube channel afterwards and watches the trailers deserves everything they get and more. Quite frankly o'connor, anyone who watches the conferences live to BE SURPRISED when it's not their job should be thrown in Gitmo receive a years pass to Disney.

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« Reply #19813 on: June 10, 2019, 09:14:05 AM »
shocking takes from one of the biggest nintenbaby shills since neogaf

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-sends-a-cease-and-desist-to-insider-that-has-leaked-pretty-much-every-e3-2019-announcement.122088/page-14#post-21663849

 :lol

that leaker is stupid af, but on the other hand - that corporate cock sucking in the thread, hot damn. presented to you by the place that mistakes disney bootlicking for being progressive.



Really good disguise. No one will guess it's you

BisMarckie

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« Reply #19814 on: June 10, 2019, 09:15:04 AM »
What about us folks who just tune in to watch Jeff Gerstmann be dismissive and to hear terrible jokes?

benjipwns

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« Reply #19815 on: June 10, 2019, 09:16:38 AM »
Benji vs. the videogames should be enough to get you vERAfied. :rejoice
they don't take gmail accounts breh so I couldn't even get an account, plus I'm probably blackballed from the start and not in the good way of being blackballed

even though I can't even get me, filler and Cauli unbanned on NeoGAF.com despite the desperate need Evilore has for us and the even more desperate need that the archives have for my avatar to be restored

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« Reply #19816 on: June 10, 2019, 09:18:44 AM »
Benji vs. the videogames should be enough to get you vERAfied. :rejoice
and not in the good way of being blackballed

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« Reply #19817 on: June 10, 2019, 09:19:26 AM »
What about us folks who just tune in to watch Jeff Gerstmann be dismissive and to hear terrible jokes?
spoilers: dan ryckert is gonna make weird noises whenever something related to mario party comes on the screen

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« Reply #19818 on: June 10, 2019, 09:19:55 AM »
It's probably better if you don't join right now, I have heard that the forum is a depressing plae  full of meta-commentary.

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« Reply #19819 on: June 10, 2019, 09:20:07 AM »
there's so much bad legal analysis in that leak thread i'm eating good, look at this dummy:
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When you post part of a copyrighted product, your only allowance for doing so is fair use. So if something is copyrighted, and you claim fair use, the offended party needs to have a prima facie case. Proving they have at least the basis of a case. Fair use is an affirmative defense to copyright infringement, and is protected in many ways, so not to allow copyright to prevent criticism. The four factors of fair use is a tool to see if there's a case. it means that fair use is the only allowed instance of copyright infringement. As I showed in response to your previous post, there's little to show that posting unpublished spoilers is fair use. This is why GoT leaks from season 8 weren't posted to major news sites. It's not legal.

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So, no. Leaks aren't legal. Leaks aren't journalistic in nature. Spoilers aren't allowed to be shared. Forums like this do have a better case of claiming fair use, because of the discussion ongoing. That person on twitter isn't commenting on shit. They're just spreading copyrighted information. And might also be breaking other laws, depending on how they came about the information. Or might be jeopardizing whoever shared the info with them.

benjipwns

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« Reply #19820 on: June 10, 2019, 09:21:06 AM »
I don't want to join a forum that's losing all its women and minority posters due to unchecked Nazis anyway. If I wanted that I could go to Stormfront, which probably has more women and minorities on it.

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« Reply #19821 on: June 10, 2019, 09:21:13 AM »
What about us folks who just tune in to watch Jeff Gerstmann be dismissive and to hear terrible jokes?
spoilers: dan ryckert is gonna make weird noises whenever something related to mario party comes on the screen

Alex Navarro was just aping the same joke Jeff made 2mins before over and over. :hhh

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« Reply #19822 on: June 10, 2019, 09:21:55 AM »
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And if they choose to not be transparent and it leaks in the meantime it's on them.
Literal victim blaming.

Wow.
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« Reply #19823 on: June 10, 2019, 09:22:45 AM »
i haven't watched them talking over bethesda but the best part of MS was vinny's look of concern at every announcement :lol

benjipwns

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« Reply #19824 on: June 10, 2019, 09:22:58 AM »
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I think its rather narcissistic of leakers to post inside info. Rumors are one thing, they are all fun but posting facts IMO is sabatoge and downright uncalled for mere days before a reveal. No one has that privilege.

BisMarckie

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« Reply #19825 on: June 10, 2019, 09:23:41 AM »
there's so much bad legal analysis in that leak thread i'm eating good, look at this dummy:
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When you post part of a copyrighted product, your only allowance for doing so is fair use. So if something is copyrighted, and you claim fair use, the offended party needs to have a prima facie case. Proving they have at least the basis of a case. Fair use is an affirmative defense to copyright infringement, and is protected in many ways, so not to allow copyright to prevent criticism. The four factors of fair use is a tool to see if there's a case. it means that fair use is the only allowed instance of copyright infringement. As I showed in response to your previous post, there's little to show that posting unpublished spoilers is fair use. This is why GoT leaks from season 8 weren't posted to major news sites. It's not legal.

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So, no. Leaks aren't legal. Leaks aren't journalistic in nature. Spoilers aren't allowed to be shared. Forums like this do have a better case of claiming fair use, because of the discussion ongoing. That person on twitter isn't commenting on shit. They're just spreading copyrighted information. And might also be breaking other laws, depending on how they came about the information. Or might be jeopardizing whoever shared the info with them.



I have my second PhD on media spoilers and this poster is 100% correct.
This is true for ALL jurisdictions in the world, oddly enough.

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« Reply #19826 on: June 10, 2019, 09:25:14 AM »
i haven't watched them talking over bethesda but the best part of MS was vinny's look of concern at every announcement :lol

I think Dan is just there forthe drinks and the snacks.

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« Reply #19827 on: June 10, 2019, 09:26:17 AM »
shocking takes from one of the biggest nintenbaby shills since neogaf

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-sends-a-cease-and-desist-to-insider-that-has-leaked-pretty-much-every-e3-2019-announcement.122088/page-14#post-21663849

 :lol

that leaker is stupid af, but on the other hand - that corporate cock sucking in the thread, hot damn. presented to you by the place that mistakes disney bootlicking for being progressive.

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Really good disguise. No one will guess it's you


Report that bad faith actor. :punch

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19828 on: June 10, 2019, 09:28:00 AM »
Spoilers aren't allowed to be shared.

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« Reply #19829 on: June 10, 2019, 09:29:40 AM »
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And if they choose to not be transparent and it leaks in the meantime it's on them.
Literal victim blaming.

Wow.
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Resetera is one of the less forgiving forums when it comes to corporations

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19830 on: June 10, 2019, 09:29:59 AM »
omg, holy shit at this fair use/copyright dude now that I'm drilling back through the reply-quote chain:
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I think a company needs all rights related to their products and creations. Their right to first publish is a company's right as the copyright holder, and it's their right to decide how to announce what they want to announce, when they want to announce it. Is that not obvious given the thread we're in?
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You're saying that if a company forgets to put a security seal on their press website and the information leaks out in advance, people who report on that information should face legal trouble?
Are you serious? Absolutely. Do you think security measurements are in place because that's what the law requires to uphold copyright? GRRM could put the next book on an unpatched Windows XP, and you would still not have the right to break his right to first publish.

Security measurements are taken because people are dicks and try to hack what they can hack, and make money off of illegal activities. Whether or not the documents have been obtained by security breach or not is absolutely irrelevant in a copyright case, lest the company has put it public, and it can be considered published. That is a very wishy-washy argument.
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No. If Kotaku posted an article reporting on this situation, without furthering the leaks that are a breach of copyright law, then yes, it would be reporting. When you share copyrighted works, you are not reporting. You're just breaking the law. Perhaps you made this post as a joke, I'm sorry, it's hard to tell. So let me respond on a general basis. If this is allowed, then it's journalism to share and report on all the content in an ill-gotten copy of the new GRRM book. Which it isn't. Luckily.
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Reporting shit exists is not breaking copyright. Law is not magic, you can't just chant legal terms and hope it will magically make what you say true (unless you have fuck you money, I guess).

Linking to images or documents? Sure. Reporting Keenu is in Cyberpunk? Lol no, stop smoking crack.
If a book was leaked before it came out, do you really think news sites could site the book? No. Just because someone breaks the law, doesn't mean others can join in on it. This isn't even the core of the issue. Reporting on previously unreported leaks is absolutely not journalism.
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No. Spoilers are at the core of the copyrighted work. Copyrighted work means the copyright holder has a right to first publish. Writing up spoilers is a breach of copyright law.
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If I play your advocate, I'd have to say that a spoiler is fair use. That's the only way it doesn't break copyright.

Let's try the four factors of fair use:
1) Is the work that's fair use transformative?
Is the leak made to comment on anything? Is to to criticize something? It isn't. It's just the original work being leaked.

2) The substantiality of the work taken
Spoilers are at the heart of the copyrighted work, so a substantial portion is taken.

3) Effect of the use upon potential market
A spoiler could make fewer people tune in to a given show, so this would be bad

4) Nature of the copyrighted work
Published and factual works are less protected by copyright law. This is an unpublished and a work of fiction. That means it's strongly protected.

Given this brief overview of the four factors of fair use, it'd be pretty clear that a spoiler isn't fair use. As such, it's a breach of copyright law.
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You obviously don't know how copyright works. If it's not fair use, then it's just copyright infringement. When you don't really know how it works, please don't pretend you do. And stop with the ad hominems.
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I'm a copyright defense force. You say it's journalism's job to report on leaks of public interest. It's not. By your argument, if a journalist got their hands on the new GRRM book before it was finished, they should report on it. It's definitely the public's interest. Right? Luckily, that's not how it works. A kind of revenge for their work environment? Are you shitting me? You can't do stuff like that and think it's has a bearing on other stuff. I'm big on workers rights, and I think the entire game industry should unionize. There are a lot of issues with it, and way too many ways game companies do things wrong.

However, this isn't rules set up by the companies. This is the right of anyone that's made something that's copyrighted. They have the right to announce it when they want to. That's the law. Don't try and set the law aside because you think game companies are bad.
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benjipwns

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19831 on: June 10, 2019, 09:31:10 AM »
speaking of GRRM using Windows XP, I learned that the dude still uses WordStar 4.0 or something, which is on DOS :lol

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WordStar was the program of choice for conservative intellectual William F. Buckley, Jr.,[29] who used the software to write many works, including his last book. This was noted by his son, Christopher Buckley, who wrote of the almost comical loyalty and affection his father had shown for WordStar, which he had installed into every new computer he purchased despite the technical difficulty of such an endeavor as the program became increasingly outdated and incompatible with newer computers. He said of WordStar, "I'm told there are better programs, but I'm also told there are better alphabets."[29]

Ralph Ellison also used WordStar.[30]

Canadian science fiction author Robert J. Sawyer continues to use WordStar for DOS 7.0 (the final release) to write his novels.[31][32]

A Song of Ice and Fire author George R. R. Martin still uses the MS-DOS version of WordStar 4.0.[33]

Andy Breckman, the creator of Monk, is a devout WordStar user[34].

Vampire fiction writer Anne Rice was another faithful user of WordStar who struggled to have it installed on newer computers until it could no longer reasonably be done. She then grudgingly transitioned to Microsoft Word, whose design she felt was comparatively unintuitive and illogical: "WordStar was magnificent. I loved it. It was logical, beautiful, perfect," adding, "Compared to it, MS Word which I use today is pure madness."[35]

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19832 on: June 10, 2019, 09:32:12 AM »
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And if they choose to not be transparent and it leaks in the meantime it's on them.
Literal victim blaming.

Wow.
:awesome

To be fair "Devs should announce projects as soon as they start working on it" is another :what line of argument in that thread.
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« Reply #19833 on: June 10, 2019, 09:32:37 AM »
These Office365 licenses are fucking expensive though.
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« Reply #19834 on: June 10, 2019, 09:33:39 AM »
Can Zatt Murdock sort that legalese?
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« Reply #19835 on: June 10, 2019, 09:34:31 AM »
Rosebud is a sled.

Come and get me WarnerMedia! :punch

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« Reply #19836 on: June 10, 2019, 09:37:00 AM »
Ah yes the copyrighted work of "Keanu is in Cyberpunk 2077".  :usacry

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Spoilers are at the core of the copyrighted work

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IANAL but this level of confusion is astounding.

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BisMarckie

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« Reply #19837 on: June 10, 2019, 09:37:29 AM »
Citizen Kane is a boring slog.

When people called The Last of Us the Citizen Kane of vidya games, they were right. 

Sony ponies :punch

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« Reply #19838 on: June 10, 2019, 09:52:04 AM »
The princess is in another castle.

Come and get me Nintendo, but don't use some Canadian lawyer like you did here, try one from a first world country rather than some guy who specializes in Inuit Whale Law.

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« Reply #19839 on: June 10, 2019, 09:52:05 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/e3-2019-general-information-and-faq.120602/

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Time: Sunday, June 9th | 07:00 pm PDT
Length: 21 minutes 29 seconds
Venue: N/A
Official thread by (banned user): https://www.resetera.com/threads/devolver-digitals-e3-conference-june-9-7pm-pt.116209/
Main hub: https://www.twitch.tv/devolverdigital

The OP of that Devolver thread was banned for 3 days, so Rosti went and removed his name in the general thread and inserted "(banned user)"

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« Reply #19840 on: June 10, 2019, 09:53:26 AM »
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I really can't have a discussion with you about copyright when you refuse to accept what copyright is. Please just google it if you don't believe what I'm saying, despite me taking time to demonstrate it in a clear and concise way.

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« Reply #19841 on: June 10, 2019, 09:54:10 AM »
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I think its rather narcissistic of leakers to post inside info. Rumors are one thing, they are all fun but posting facts IMO is sabatoge and downright uncalled for mere days before a reveal. No one has that privilege.

No one man should have all that privilege.
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« Reply #19842 on: June 10, 2019, 09:55:24 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/e3-2019-general-information-and-faq.120602/

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Time: Sunday, June 9th | 07:00 pm PDT
Length: 21 minutes 29 seconds
Venue: N/A
Official thread by (banned user): https://www.resetera.com/threads/devolver-digitals-e3-conference-june-9-7pm-pt.116209/
Main hub: https://www.twitch.tv/devolverdigital

The OP of that Devolver thread was banned for 3 days, so Rosti went and removed his name in the general thread and inserted "(banned user)"

 :delicious

https://twitter.com/laura_hudson/status/1137366645469356037
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« Reply #19843 on: June 10, 2019, 09:55:28 AM »
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Can't have E3 without the annual Spotify playlist.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2HIMIg73ScdwKtifioL10Z

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19844 on: June 10, 2019, 09:56:17 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/e3-2019-food-and-drink-thread-30-italian-meal-ban.121189/
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E3 2019: Food and Drink Thread ($30 ITALIAN MEAL = BAN)
lmao

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19845 on: June 10, 2019, 09:57:18 AM »
Finally riotous can sue shosta for spoiling Game of Thrones. :rejoice

I think that guy has reasonable fees and works on contingency.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19846 on: June 10, 2019, 09:57:29 AM »
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I will be living off beer, whiskey, Pringles, Haribo and Pot Noodle like I do every E3 weekend.

Though I'll need to pick up some energy drinks too, as I'm getting too old to stay up all night just from the excitement.
but E3 is during the week...

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19847 on: June 10, 2019, 09:58:43 AM »
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One site that can also be very useful during E3 is Business Wire: http://www.businesswire.com

Here's the list of news sources:

Gaming/tech media

Eurogamer: http://www.eurogamer.net
Famitsu: https://www.famitsu.com/search/?category=e3&year=2019
GameXplain: https://www.youtube.com/user/GameXplain
Gamasutra: http://gamasutra.com/
Game Informer: http://www.gameinformer.com/p/e3live.aspx
Gamereactor: http://www.gamereactor.se/tema/e3_2019
GamesIndustry.biz: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles?topics=e3-2019
GameSpot: http://www.gamespot.com/e3/
Giant Bomb: http://www.giantbomb.com/
IGN: http://www.ign.com/events/e3
Kotaku: http://kotaku.com/
MCV: https://mcvuk.com/tag/e3-2019/
Multiplayer.it: http://multiplayer.it/
Polygon: http://www.polygon.com/e3
Spieltimes: https://www.spieltimes.com/
Videogamer.com: http://www.videogamer.com
I assume these were approved officially by the moderators?

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19848 on: June 10, 2019, 10:00:34 AM »
All hope is lost for these people anyway.

My favorite people are these who enter this kind thread to say that they'll just have some water and carrot sticks. :smug

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19849 on: June 10, 2019, 10:00:40 AM »
https://twitter.com/erikaverkaaik/status/1138010633209696257

:lawd

"tired understanding of cyberpunk"  :lol

Transphobic because one time their Twitter account made a "did u assume my gender??" joke and then deleted it a short time later.
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19850 on: June 10, 2019, 10:01:41 AM »
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I get that, and that's a legitimate issue. But it's separate from copyright, and I think that's important. Misleading marketing is also illegal, but we can't combat that with breaking another law ourselves.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19851 on: June 10, 2019, 10:01:56 AM »
https://twitter.com/erikaverkaaik/status/1138010633209696257

:lawd

"tired understanding of cyberpunk"  :lol

Transphobic because one time their Twitter account made a "did u assume my gender??" joke and then deleted it a short time later.

Well, to be fair, the picture shows that it's a very small problem that's completely covered up by the addition of Keanu Reeves.
©@©™

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19852 on: June 10, 2019, 10:01:56 AM »
Don't forget when they literally put the date of when literal Gamergate started on a tombstone with games journalism on it. :punch

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19853 on: June 10, 2019, 10:02:37 AM »
omg, holy shit at this fair use/copyright dude now that I'm drilling back through the reply-quote chain:
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I think a company needs all rights related to their products and creations. Their right to first publish is a company's right as the copyright holder, and it's their right to decide how to announce what they want to announce, when they want to announce it. Is that not obvious given the thread we're in?
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You're saying that if a company forgets to put a security seal on their press website and the information leaks out in advance, people who report on that information should face legal trouble?
Are you serious? Absolutely. Do you think security measurements are in place because that's what the law requires to uphold copyright? GRRM could put the next book on an unpatched Windows XP, and you would still not have the right to break his right to first publish.

Security measurements are taken because people are dicks and try to hack what they can hack, and make money off of illegal activities. Whether or not the documents have been obtained by security breach or not is absolutely irrelevant in a copyright case, lest the company has put it public, and it can be considered published. That is a very wishy-washy argument.
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No. If Kotaku posted an article reporting on this situation, without furthering the leaks that are a breach of copyright law, then yes, it would be reporting. When you share copyrighted works, you are not reporting. You're just breaking the law. Perhaps you made this post as a joke, I'm sorry, it's hard to tell. So let me respond on a general basis. If this is allowed, then it's journalism to share and report on all the content in an ill-gotten copy of the new GRRM book. Which it isn't. Luckily.
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Reporting shit exists is not breaking copyright. Law is not magic, you can't just chant legal terms and hope it will magically make what you say true (unless you have fuck you money, I guess).

Linking to images or documents? Sure. Reporting Keenu is in Cyberpunk? Lol no, stop smoking crack.
If a book was leaked before it came out, do you really think news sites could site the book? No. Just because someone breaks the law, doesn't mean others can join in on it. This isn't even the core of the issue. Reporting on previously unreported leaks is absolutely not journalism.
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No. Spoilers are at the core of the copyrighted work. Copyrighted work means the copyright holder has a right to first publish. Writing up spoilers is a breach of copyright law.
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If I play your advocate, I'd have to say that a spoiler is fair use. That's the only way it doesn't break copyright.

Let's try the four factors of fair use:
1) Is the work that's fair use transformative?
Is the leak made to comment on anything? Is to to criticize something? It isn't. It's just the original work being leaked.

2) The substantiality of the work taken
Spoilers are at the heart of the copyrighted work, so a substantial portion is taken.

3) Effect of the use upon potential market
A spoiler could make fewer people tune in to a given show, so this would be bad

4) Nature of the copyrighted work
Published and factual works are less protected by copyright law. This is an unpublished and a work of fiction. That means it's strongly protected.

Given this brief overview of the four factors of fair use, it'd be pretty clear that a spoiler isn't fair use. As such, it's a breach of copyright law.
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You obviously don't know how copyright works. If it's not fair use, then it's just copyright infringement. When you don't really know how it works, please don't pretend you do. And stop with the ad hominems.
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I'm a copyright defense force. You say it's journalism's job to report on leaks of public interest. It's not. By your argument, if a journalist got their hands on the new GRRM book before it was finished, they should report on it. It's definitely the public's interest. Right? Luckily, that's not how it works. A kind of revenge for their work environment? Are you shitting me? You can't do stuff like that and think it's has a bearing on other stuff. I'm big on workers rights, and I think the entire game industry should unionize. There are a lot of issues with it, and way too many ways game companies do things wrong.

However, this isn't rules set up by the companies. This is the right of anyone that's made something that's copyrighted. They have the right to announce it when they want to. That's the law. Don't try and set the law aside because you think game companies are bad.
:dead :dead :dead :dead

 :lol

Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig; es ist nicht einmal falsch!

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19854 on: June 10, 2019, 10:02:39 AM »
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It definitely soured Elden Ring for me.
It did for almost everyone. Just compare online reactions of Elden Ring and Keanu Reeves popping up. Even the most enthusiastic people like Easy Allies were like "eh, it's Elden Ring I guess". Most of that reveal was focused on GRRM being part of the project, and it was ruined. Imagine how people would've freaked out if they didn't know.
:lol

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19855 on: June 10, 2019, 10:05:07 AM »
Transphobic because one time their Twitter account made a "did u assume my gender??" joke and then deleted it a short time later.

Also I think when grilled on the subject they wouldn't commit to having alternate gender options in Cyberpunk and planned on just having male/female

when CYBERPUNK IS THE MOST TRANS-HUMANIST CONCEPT EVER AND SHOULD HAVE MORE OPTIONS
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19856 on: June 10, 2019, 10:06:54 AM »
User Banned (1 Day): Hostility; Previous Warning for Hostility

Being an "Internet character" must be fucking exhausting. Maintaining a weird posting style, coming up with weird threads and ridiculous hot takes on a regular basis, etc.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19857 on: June 10, 2019, 10:10:52 AM »
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Wow! Hottie!!
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Wow Sarah Bond is gorgeous.
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Sarah Bond is beautiful
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she was cute
i hope sabrina is okay


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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #19859 on: June 10, 2019, 10:13:59 AM »
yikes, she's a woman of color, not a good look ResetERA.com moderators