River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/girlfriend-reviews-should-your-boyfriend-play-grand-theft-auto-5.130225/post-22949688

Like I said, the joke is that it plays with expectations. You're expecting something offensive and that is supposed to be a male fantasy. It's then resolved with something completely ridiculous. Not unlike "This is what peak performance looks like"

Are we expected to agree with the woman in the setup then? That video games do appeal to the male fantasy but oh psych here’s a Nintendog gotcha? Or are we meant to laugh at the woman in the setup because she’s wrong and the punchline drives that home?

And yet it has the effect of it being for that audience, ie: those who dismiss Anita's concerns.

Jokes aren't told in a vacuum and have effect on the world around us.

Are you saying the person giving the line has no bearing on the joke itself? It could literally be anyone saying that line, in any context, and still be funny because the expectation of the correctness of the setup is subverted by the punchline?

[benjipwns]

the morons can't even tell it's not Anita and that basically all the memes are how it's being described including the "original":

[Propagandhim]

the expectation of the correctness of the setup is subverted by the punchline

[Joe Molotov]

It subverted my expectation.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/girlfriend-reviews-should-your-boyfriend-play-grand-theft-auto-5.130225/post-22949688

Like I said, the joke is that it plays with expectations. You're expecting something offensive and that is supposed to be a male fantasy. It's then resolved with something completely ridiculous. Not unlike "This is what peak performance looks like"

Are we expected to agree with the woman in the setup then? That video games do appeal to the male fantasy but oh psych here’s a Nintendog gotcha? Or are we meant to laugh at the woman in the setup because she’s wrong and the punchline drives that home?

And yet it has the effect of it being for that audience, ie: those who dismiss Anita's concerns.

Jokes aren't told in a vacuum and have effect on the world around us.

Are you saying the person giving the line has no bearing on the joke itself? It could literally be anyone saying that line, in any context, and still be funny because the expectation of the correctness of the setup is subverted by the punchline?

Resetera trying to understand humor is something to behold

[benjipwns]

which of u dis https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-jack-black-jablinski-games-doing-a-charity-stream-with-pewdiepie.130312/post-22949357

Honestly I still remember Prince Harry dressing as a nazi back in 2005 and nobody cancelled the royal family, and the world moved on,. Hell even ERA they fawned over the royal kids and how Harry is awesome. meanwhile these people get labeled as the devil themselves (Pewdie pie, Nakey Jakey and that Girlfriend reviews team) ... except JonTron (He's an idiot with his racist rants - especially being the son of an immigrant family lol) , Pewdie pie seems like a guy who doesnt care and does what he wants.

Now Jackblack is gonna be disowned or what ?

To be fair, we weren't dealing with Neo Nazis back then.

What is Stromfront

On this scale.

Anyway, deplatforming isn't enough at this point.
We need to signal boost progressive champions.

If we have YTers like Contrapoints, Hbomberguy and PhilosophyTube in the millions of subscribers category, we'll have a greater influence over the internet.

[benjipwns]

Resetera trying to understand humor is something to behold

To be fair, most people probably aren't in this mindset of trying to make a political statement and own one side all the time. Sometimes a joke is just a joke and it's not meant to prove or disprove anything.

And, as above, jokes have effect regardless of intent.

I personally think people with platform have a responsibility to understand the things they could contrinbute to with their jokes.

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/girlfriend-reviews-should-your-boyfriend-play-grand-theft-auto-5.130225/page-3#post-22949890

It's amazing how in the recent RLM shitstorm and now this one there's messages shifting the blame of the derail on the "fans" refusing to listen.

[Joe Molotov]

Neo Nazis didn’t exist in 2005.

[SmokyDave]

Resetera trying to understand humor is something to behold

It’s like watching a dog trying to work a combination lock.

[benjipwns]

It's amazing how in the recent RLM shitstorm and now this one there's messages shifting the blame of the derail on the "fans" refusing to listen.

FACT CHECK: the forum was founded for and by people who wanted to get away from the Trump-supporting rapist Evilore and the corrupt moderators who encouraged and enabled this power dynamic, the forum wasn't meant for Gamers

[benjipwns]

Neo Nazis didn’t exist in 2005.

Global Warming created them after 2014

[Don Rumata]

To be fair what is there really to discuss in these videos? They use the same format every week and just talk about different games. Unlike someone like Jim Sterling

This week in EA's microtransactions...

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/1139219270712168448

Do you know who also killed themselves when they were pushed into a corner? 

[benjipwns]

Jack Black is definitely a little bit inconsiderate but the proof of this was that he simply left the stream after 2 hours and the donation goal was only halfway there. He said they had a bbq planned lol

If that doesn't make him look like he really only goes with the flow and nothing more then I don't know what, Pewdiepie donated 10k after that I believe. Maybe Black also donated something, wasn't clear but it looked like he just up and left.

lol

[HaughtyFrank]

Afaik does boogie even get hate from both sides. He is a true centrist

 

[benjipwns]

To be fair what is there really to discuss in these videos? They use the same format every week and just talk about different games. Unlike someone like Jim Sterling

This week in EA's microtransactions...

speaking of guys who dress and act like Nazis who said terrible things about women/minorities on the internet

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-jack-black-jablinski-games-doing-a-charity-stream-with-pewdiepie.130312/post-22950280

Those of us who have a problem with this, are merely pointing out that Youtube does not care about the racism that is rampant on that platform, and the fact that people like Pewdiepie whose primary audience is children is like a gateway drug into more sinister and direct forms of this ideology is the problem.

It possible to take in information, and make better decisions going forward without internalizing what people are saying and making it personal. "Classic era" is just era doing the bare minimum of not ignoring racist and right wing shitposting that is rampant in pretty much every other corner of videogame related discussions online. Resetera is like the only place that I know of that isn't consistently filled with hate, and it's better for it.

i think i have a bingo

[HaughtyFrank]

Jack Black is definitely a little bit inconsiderate but the proof of this was that he simply left the stream after 2 hours and the donation goal was only halfway there. He said they had a bbq planned lol

If that doesn't make him look like he really only goes with the flow and nothing more then I don't know what, Pewdiepie donated 10k after that I believe. Maybe Black also donated something, wasn't clear but it looked like he just up and left.

lol

This is a tough call for RE. Is he a dick for leaving a charity stream halfway through or is a hero for ditching Pewdiepie

[benjipwns]

I mean, yeah, it works both ways.

That’s why it’s a shitty joke, it wants you to laugh at a serious issue by dismissing it as incorrect, irrelevant, or insignificant by creating a disingenuous contrast with something cute, goofy, unrelated, etc. The worldview it subscribes to, one where games are immune from criticism because the people doing the criticizing somehow don’t “get it,” is a shitty one.

[VomKriege]

Kinthey is a Saint. Surprised he wasn't martyred yet.

[benjipwns]

I definitely agree with this. I enjoyed these more when they highlighted what I felt like was her opinion more. The RDR2 review is still my favorite because it mirrored the experience I had with my SO so perfectly. It really felt like a fresh perspective on the typical gaming YouTuber.

A lot of times it feels like they're too up to date on current gaming hot topics and memes that I feel like no one but a very engaged gamer would know, which just comes across as fake for the persona they are trying to embody.

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/girlfriend-reviews-should-your-boyfriend-play-grand-theft-auto-5.130225/post-22947603

This is not hard to understand.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/girlfriend-reviews-should-your-boyfriend-play-grand-theft-auto-5.130225/post-22948936

This isn't hard to understand

https://www.resetera.com/threads/girlfriend-reviews-should-your-boyfriend-play-grand-theft-auto-5.130225/post-22950239

They should understand that.

[benjipwns]

Vom, I think you're not understanding:

Jokes aren't told in a vacuum and have effect on the world around us.

And, as above, jokes have effect regardless of intent.

Intent doesn't negate effect, too, this is the point.

And, again, intent doesn't negate effect.

I never said it did...

You're talking about intent of the joke, right? I'm saying that's not the point, because it still has a negative effect and people with a platform have a responsibility to understand this.

Not sure where the confusion is here...

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-%E2%80%9Ccollectors-editions%E2%80%9D-actually-good-for-collectors.130353/

Hey y’all,

Video game collecting is something I would definitely enjoy if I had the money to fund it! The idea of preserving parts of history from the hobby that was entertained me throughout my life really appeals to me.

When thinking about an introductory avenue to video game collecting, immediately the items that jumped to mind were amiibo and “collectors edtions” of games - which is primarily what inspired this thread.

When I talk about collectors editions, I mean those (usually) limited releases of games that contain some extra stuff or come in a nicer case but cost more to buy. Now, the people who buy these- could they consider themselves collectors? Will these items maintain some historical value in the future, or even increase in value as they become scarcer? Does it depend on the genre/game/developer? Can you name a collectors edition that deserved to be called by that name, or are they all merely extracting extra cash from the consumer for no real collectible benefit?

[Propagandhim]

I mean, yeah, it works both ways.

That’s why it’s a shitty joke, it wants you to laugh at a serious issue by dismissing it as incorrect, irrelevant, or insignificant by creating a disingenuous contrast with something cute, goofy, unrelated, etc. The worldview it subscribes to, one where games are immune from criticism because the people doing the criticizing somehow don’t “get it,” is a shitty one.

I always had this fantasy of renting a private plane and airdropping a 10-ton stack of benign cartoons of Muhammad all over Saudi Arabia (Like those caricature artists at the beach drawing you playing tennis with your girlfriend), just to see what would happen.  Now I know.

[VomKriege]

The idea of preserving parts of history from the hobby

 

[benjipwns]

this dude just shifted the PewDiePie is a literal Nazi who ordered a mass shooting to PewDiePie likes Ben Shaprio who is a literal Nazi who ordered a mass shooting and then turned it into a weird either-or choice, they're so bad at this

Let's pretend, for a moment, I was Muslim. Born and raised in a country where Islam was the primary religion.

Now let's say some of my family members in New Zealand were killed in a mosque because some Nazi asshole whispered the catchphrase of some Swedish guy on YouTube.

This Swedish guy is one who has made Nazi jokes, dropped the N-Bomb, followed Nazi assholes on Twitter who hated my religion, one of said Nazi assholes even appearing in one of his videos, that same Nazi asshole being at the top of a VIP list of another mosque shooter's "most viewed Twitter profiles" and had the audacity to pretend like he couldn't control the actions of another person.

Would you tell me, to my face, that this is a person that I should be forgiving?

Now back to me, the real life cis-het white male. Would you sooner have me stand with someone like PewDiePie, or someone who was directly affected by the stupid bullshit he has pulled throughout his wretched career?

Also, the point is that PewDiePie has said racist things multiple times, he follows people who have said racist things multiple times, and is party to a new outreach strategy that has been openly discussed by people the likes of Steve Bannon. To pretend like none of this is happening is to be burying your head in the sand simply because you don't want to acknowledge it.

like i mean

[Propagandhim]

Now let's say some of my family members in New Zealand were killed in a mosque because some Nazi asshole whispered the catchphrase of some Swedish guy on YouTube.

 

[paprikastaude]

Vom, I think you're not understanding:

Jokes aren't told in a vacuum and have effect on the world around us.

And, as above, jokes have effect regardless of intent.

Intent doesn't negate effect, too, this is the point.

And, again, intent doesn't negate effect.

I never said it did...

You're talking about intent of the joke, right? I'm saying that's not the point, because it still has a negative effect and people with a platform have a responsibility to understand this.

Not sure where the confusion is here...

Sorry, I still don't get it, I need a better explanation.

[benjipwns]

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[benjipwns]

This isn't how reality works. If you think people like PDP are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts you are mistaken. They are trying to spread their brand. They are trying to seem to seem like the "good guys" to people like you so others can't call out their shit.

[Propagandhim]

This isn't how reality works. If you think people like PDP are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts you are mistaken. They are trying to spread their brand. They are trying to seem to seem like the "good guys" to people like you so others can't call out their shit.

Classic nazi strategy

[benjipwns]

You may think someone who regularly promotes and donates to charity may have some sort of good intentions but it's really to make sure more children grow up to push the genocidal cult.

They're almost as obsessed with secret "enemy within" conspiracies and numerology as the actual Nazis were.

[benjipwns]

Okay, I'm gonna ask you kindly to put yourself in another person's shoes.

Imagine being a Jewish person, and seeing Pewdiepie signal boost a Youtube channel filled with mostly anti-semitic videos.

Imagine being a Muslim, and finding out that the New Zealand terrorist attacker was a fan of Pewdiepie.

Imagine being a black person, and being constantly told that Pewdiepie's usage of the N-word was justified.

It's ridiculous to think kindness should come first in these scenarios. Your real feelings should come first, not kindness.

i like how all of these are completely twisted and only ResetERA.com's paranoid version of events

So neo-Nazis are only a thing of the 2010’s? Dude, I am sorry, but Neo-nazis have always been a thing, since the end of WW2.

They are worse and more empowered now is that posters point.

because of secret signals sent via YouTubers!

[benjipwns]

It's been said but it's not hard to understand why they're all so fucking miserable when they see every second of every day as a crushing onrush of evil from the internet terrorizing them that they keep checking (via proxy through Twitter/ResetERA.com threads) to see more of. This is not hard to understand. Because it's not hard to understand when you seek out endless terror you think endless terror is everywhere because it's the only place you go. It's like the saying "nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded" which is not hard to understand for this small niche forum (which is the most popular independent gaming forum on the internet even though nobody there likes gaming) that splintered off of another forum for still unknown reasons while trying to limit new users to only those within approved discords and then proceeded to ban itself into endless paranoia from the endless terror of that evil trying to overthrow the paradise. It even says that the goal is walling itself off in the mission statement:

Safeguarded by technology, a vigilant staff, and some of the toughest registration screening of any public forum, ResetEra has been able to cultivate a highly active and passionate community while keeping most trolls and bad actors off of the site.

So you can see, it's not really hard to understand.

[benjipwns]

Wow, victim blaming me.

[headwalk]

pewdiepie's subscription count is even more impressive when you realise it doesn't include any jews, muslims or black people.

[Propagandhim]

The effect is that all the bad actors and trolls are gone -- like Marrec, for instance.

[benjipwns]

Right, all this is about the intent of Resetera, but what about the effect?

Nothing but growth since they canned and banned kristoffer:

[VomKriege]

Are these the "causalities" NeoGAF member Texas Pride was warning me about?

[benjipwns]

It kinda is weird that they don't just ban PewDiePie content like they have Boogie1488 or that one guy who used to be on a podcast years ago you know the one who was on that one thing one time. It's not like the guy actually does anything they'd discuss anyway. The worst thing they say for Boogie1488 is how he's a centrist/racist, while that podcast guy tweeted something bad once or whatever so is unpersoned completely, while PewDiePie here is running a mass murdering cult and is worse than actual neo-Nazis but whatever, post away about his reign of YouTube terror.

And like, you can't link to Ben Shapiro content, but you can endlessly link to PewDiePie associating with Ben Shapiro. Both of whom teamed up to order a mosque shooting, but only one doesn't have their content allowed to be posted unless the larger platform (PewDiePie) shares it in some way vaguely.

Almost makes you wonder about who's running ResetERA.com LLC. (R.I.P. in peace SweetNicole October 25, 2017-April 10, 2019)

[VomKriege]

Maybe mods are just wary of banning YouTubers because you know it's not gonna stop there. No one cares for PDP content on ERA true, but if you give in on him, why not RLM, AVGN or Girlfriend's Reviews too or any other ?

Banning some individual niche games is a bit different (especially since ERA sort of outsourced the decision making to what's banned on Steam and Twitch).

For that matter what was the latest "big" #cancel mods decided would be enforced ?

[benjipwns]

wow they actually are meticulous in keeping this General Guide updated

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[VomKriege]

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Is OK, I love to solicit hostile messages.

[benjipwns]

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unless you're PewDiePie, big conservative money controls even ResetERA.com the only place on the internet not constantly filled with hate

[OnlyRegret]

[benjipwns]

People died because of pewdiepie. A mental health charity doesn't fix that. Deplatform, now.

PDP isn't Ben Shapiro is exactly right. In a way, it makes what PDP is doing all the more insidious.

makes you think

dunno why this guy seems to hate PhoenixDark so much:

I mean, you won't get any argument from me. Perhaps the difference being that PD is an open bigot. He could certainly afford a PR team like a corporation, if he wanted.

I'm pretty sure Black is, I was referring to PD specifically but honestly I don't follow Black closely but he seemed like a cool guy. Which makes him teaming with PD a shame.

PD is a trash person that refuses to disavow the alt-right, in fact, he inspires them, despite them flooding his comments with their rhetoric, forming hate groups and hate memes, all in his name.

It's nice to think that taking the "moral" ground accomplishes anything, but in reality it just makes you that more easy to take advantage of and to silence. If something or somebody is wrong, that shit needs to be called out. We can forgive people AFTER they have taken actions to show they have changed. Show me where PD has done this.

Yes it's incorrect, but its not some "blatant lie" intended to spread misinformation. The killer mentioned PD in his livestream. You seem to care more about technicalities than the fact that PD has yet to disavow the alt-right that is clearly forming a hate cult in his name.

but starting to wonder why The Bire mods are protecting him, prolly cuz he can afford a PR team like a corporation

[Propagandhim]

It's nice to think that taking the "moral" ground accomplishes anything, but in reality it just makes you that more easy to take advantage of and to silence. If something or somebody is wrong, that shit needs to be called out. We can forgive people AFTER they have taken actions to show they have changed. Show me where PD has done this.

 

[benjipwns]

Tbf that's another lie. I rarely if ever watch him and I've seen at least 2 videos in which he's disavowed the alt-right, far-right, racist and hateful ideologies. Last video I saw was him telling his fanbase to end the "subscribe to PDP" meme/movement because it had morphed into something hateful which he didn't want.

I honestly hope that's true. Last I heard he had still not done that. Maybe he's actually making some progress in that regard.

This is at odds with his actions. How do you explain your bullishness with his behavior when he signal boosts Stefan Molyneux? Are we supposed to believe it's simply cognitive dissonance?

I'd like to believe people can change but it's going to take a hell of a lot longer than a few months of good behavior before I believe it. I have no doubt we'll get a nother PD did something awful thread in 6 months and yet again we'll find a long line of people willing to forgive him, just like every time before.

problem solved

[OnlyRegret]

the thread about the Black Widow movie was less corporate buttlicking
is Scarlett #cancelled yet

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

After the last few pages, its almost unbelievable that someone would IRL punch astro in the face within only a few words after meeting them

[benjipwns]

After the last few pages, its almost unbelievable that someone would IRL punch astro in the face within only a few words after meeting them

are you saying that intent precipitated effect?

[clothedmacuser]

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[BIONIC]

So I was watching an Eric Andre clip on YouTube, and found a very unexpected guest in the comments 



Too lazy to upload a screenshot from mobile, but check the second reply to a guy named Egon Braun where he says he was there on the scene. Caught me by surprise 

[OnlyRegret]

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I unironically like this

[who is ted danson?]

It kinda is weird that they don't just ban PewDiePie content like they have Boogie1488 or that one guy who used to be on a podcast years ago you know the one who was on that one thing one time. It's not like the guy actually does anything they'd discuss anyway. The worst thing they say for Boogie1488 is how he's a centrist/racist, while that podcast guy tweeted something bad once or whatever so is unpersoned completely, while PewDiePie here is running a mass murdering cult and is worse than actual neo-Nazis but whatever, post away about his reign of YouTube terror.

And like, you can't link to Ben Shapiro content, but you can endlessly link to PewDiePie associating with Ben Shapiro. Both of whom teamed up to order a mosque shooting, but only one doesn't have their content allowed to be posted unless the larger platform (PewDiePie) shares it in some way vaguely.

Almost makes you wonder about who's running ResetERA.com LLC. (R.I.P. in peace SweetNicole October 25, 2017-April 10, 2019)

Cerium is a Centrist. he doesnt want to ban disucssion on any big brands or big youtubers because he wants that sweet seo ranking from people talking about them all the time. this is why the threads stay open in an endless """discussion""" that amounts to "i dont care that someone made a joke"->"you nazi sympathiser, reported!"->ban.

Its easy to ban someone like boogie. He has 4.5m subs but typically only gets 80-120k views per video. and probably 10-20k of those are samandtolki hate-watchers. his channel is basically dead and irrelevant.

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/girlfriend-reviews-should-your-boyfriend-play-grand-theft-auto-5.130225/post-22949124

Ok now is the time to lock the thread.

the best part of era is getting to control the discourse from this thread

make a post like this and the mods go "fuck you I won't do what you tell me, motherfucker, uggh" and leave it open extra long in defiance which just results in more gold
 

[benjipwns]

So I was watching an Eric Andre clip on YouTube, and found a very unexpected guest in the comments 

Too lazy to upload a screenshot from mobile, but check the second reply to a guy named Egon Braun where he says he was there on the scene. Caught me by surprise 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

After the last few pages, its almost unbelievable that someone would IRL punch astro in the face within only a few words after meeting them

are you saying that intent precipitated effect?

this is not hard to understand