River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[Uncle]

Whoopsie, sweetie, it seems you've made an error.  Oh honey.

[Himu]

Google fat acceptance and feminism. Definitely an eye brow raiser.

[Momo]

Let them all get fat and kill themselves as lard chokes the life out of them 

[Himu]

I highly doubt most feminists support this circus.

It’s odd how they’re equating feminism (which is about ideas) with physical attractiveness.

Are they not hurting feminism? Yet it’s being treated like a feminist idea. It makes no sense.

[Momo]

I highly doubt most feminists support this circus.

All the vocal ones support the crazy shit though, generally most people never meet the normie feminists.

[Transhuman]

Let them all get fat and kill themselves as lard chokes the life out of them 

I mean, if it was just that it'd be fine, but when they're trying to convince others to do it too I do see Cindi's point

[Don Rumata]

I had the pleasure of watching a family cry when spiderman dusted in part 1, was fucking hilarious, I laughed harder than what was socially acceptable. Part 2 I was sitting behind an annoying couple where the BF was explaining who everyone was to the GF.

Momo has major serial killer energy

I liked Kira more than ~L~ 

Who didn't? L (and his successors especially) had to constantly cheat to stay on top of Kira.

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Fuck Death Note's ending, btw.

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I didn't. I'm a boring fan of vanilla stuff, so I pretty much always root for the good guy. I love a good, competent villain like the Joker or Kefka, and I do like the good guys to lose sometimes (it raises the stakes and tension), but I pretty much always want the good guys to win in the end.

Also, Kira definitely had the upper hand in terms of advantages. He only had to find the name of one dude that he was constantly around. L had to narrow down the location of Kira from the entire 6 billion population on the whole planet. Sure, he had an organization of support, but the person he was trying to find could have been anywhere in the world and killed someone anywhere else in the world at any time in any way. Kira knew he would be sought after, but he still made blunders that allowed L to track him down very quickly. L was way more competent than Kira.

But yeah, L's successors sucked.

That's just the thing.
I mean Kira was obviously a psycho cunt, so i'm not saying "he did nothing wrong!", but the writer wrote themselves in an impossible corner to get out of, with the Death Note's rule book paired with Kira's (alleged) mastermind.
And to get out of it, they essentially allowed L to read the script and come up with completely wild assumptions (that happened to be right).
Ultimately it's sloppy writing, but it was in favor of letting L keep up with virtually impossible odds; nevertheless, for that very reason Kira should've never been caught, or even been a major suspect.

[Momo]

Let them all get fat and kill themselves as lard chokes the life out of them 

I mean, if it was just that it'd be fine, but when they're trying to convince others to do it too I do see Cindi's point

We gotta thin the herd, who better than the easily influenced and Dennis 

[Himu]

I highly doubt most feminists support this circus.

All the vocal ones support the crazy shit though, generally most people never meet the normie feminists.

That’s the problem.

If regular people don’t see normie feminists and are mostly exposed to crazies won’t this ultimately harm feminism?

[Momo]

I highly doubt most feminists support this circus.

All the vocal ones support the crazy shit though, generally most people never meet the normie feminists.

That’s the problem.

If regular people don’t see normie feminists and are mostly exposed to crazies won’t this ultimately harm feminism?

It will, seeing as popular liberals dont seem to feel welcome on the left, I'd argue it already has.

[Himu]

I still don’t get how concentrating on how a woman looks rather than the ideas she conveys is a feminist notion.



I know I’m older but when did the definition of feminist change? Have I been reading too many 80’s feminist/womanist novels?

[Ghoul]

I'm all for fat acceptance being a thing that stays around. Ugly fatties dying younger freeing up the world and airplane seats 

[Uncle]

Is this one of those things where Cindi is going out of her way to look up the most extreme people on a position and then convincing herself/trying to convince everyone else that this is how all of these people are because she's mad about something only tangentially related?

the fat acceptance movement seems fundamentally opposed to logic and reasonable positions, like accepting medical science's conclusions on increased risks for disease and early death, and general belligerence in the face of others who only want the best for them or simply to compliment them



you might as well say the flat earther movement is actually full of reasonable people and the stuff people make fun of are only the extreme positions

[Momo]

flat earthers will actually try and prove their bullshit 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The body positivism movement came about as a reaction to studies that proved the harmful effects of unrealistic body standards in the media, particularly in womens media and in representation of women.
It's a feminist issue, because there is a double standard at work; think of all the TV you have seen.
Now think of the fat women you may have seen.
Not many, right? And what roles did those fat women play?
The buffoonish clown who is an object of ridicule. The angry mannish lesbian. The frumpy housewife putting up with shit because they will lose their man and never get another.
Not a lot of CEOs, Judges, Scientists, Lawyers, or Detectives, all roles that nobody blinks an eye if a fat man plays.

But fixing that doesn't mean "women, abandon all of your standards!", or pretending that any criticism of female obesity is coming from 'the male gaze' perspective

[Uncle]

yeah there's a difference between "please don't insult us and it'd be nice if we were portrayed better in pop culture" and "we are above reproach in all aspects of our lives and ourselves exactly as we are now, in fact we will probably get even fatter to spite you"

[Himu]

The body positivism movement came about as a reaction to studies that proved the harmful effects of unrealistic body standards in the media, particularly in womens media and in representation of women.
It's a feminist issue, because there is a double standard at work; think of all the TV you have seen.
Now think of the fat women you may have seen.
Not many, right? And what roles did those fat women play?
The buffoonish clown who is an object of ridicule. The angry mannish lesbian. The frumpy housewife putting up with shit because they will lose their man and never get another.
Not a lot of CEOs, Judges, Scientists, Lawyers, or Detectives, all roles that nobody blinks an eye if a fat man plays.

But fixing that doesn't mean "women, abandon all of your standards!", or pretending that any criticism of female obesity is coming from 'the male gaze' perspective

You can acknowledge "unhealthy beauty standards" while also acknowledging that maybe being 350 lb isn't good for you or particularly attractive.

Shaming weight loss, being triggered of before and after photos, convincing yourself being obese is healthy has nothing to do with "unrealistic beauty standards".

The whole thing sounds belittling to women. As if being weak (fat) is a sign of strength.

The buffoonish clown who is an object of ridicule. The angry mannish lesbian. The frumpy housewife putting up with shit because they will lose their man and never get another.
Not a lot of CEOs, Judges, Scientists, Lawyers, or Detectives, all roles that nobody blinks an eye if a fat man plays.

When I think of fat male characters I think of Fred Flintstone and Homer Simpson who are complete morons. This characterization of fat men is illogical. Most fat men end up taking comedy roles. Think Jonah Hill or Chris Farley. And a lot of their comedy is based around how fat they are. Acting like fat men are in any way treated by society in a good way doesn't sound like reality. If anything, I've seen far more "positive" fat woman characters than male.

Wasn't one of the biggest movies of the year - Avengers: End Game - starring a fat Thor and the entire joke was he was fat?

[Propagandhim]

Getting validation, meaning, and self-esteem from the role choices of profit-seeking media companies in Los Angeles, bros.  Brb waiting for Elijah Wood to be cast as Aqua Man, bros.

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/ClairePitrof/status/1161665527057657856?s



https://twitter.com/StubbornTaurus7/status/1163667224915144706?s

[Risible]

The lack of job security in this industry is baffling. It's a real issue and it keeps talented people away.

He replies to Patrick's post, in a way to insinuate that Patrick has no talent.

Patrick is a fuck up of the highest caliber. He's been bounced around as a "journalist" in the industry for 13-14 years (he considers posting and lurking  on Neogaf as part of his career, so he'd say 20 years, implying a 14 year old has the capacity to not be a fucking idoot).

His main scoopity scoop happened 10 years ago about, for 1UP or G4 or whomever he sucked up to or blew. He doesn't have a distinctive style or wit, his opinions are up righteous/arrogant pieces of trash. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone at Giant Bomb loathed how much of a smelly tryhard intellectual he is.

I'll never forget how triggered he was by Armstrong in Metal Gear Rising. A beloved villain with outrageous and awesome dialouge, Armstrong made the ending strong and memorable.

Meanwhile, Patrick had to be the wet blanket that voiced how the Japanese are making a mockery of American politics, and how wrong it feels.

I hope Patrick Kleptard gets big dicked so hard he becomes a trap sissy that takes gallons of cum and thousands of raw dicks.

I know I'm way behind in the thread but I just wanted to say I love you, it's so nice to see someone with the same level of hatred I have for Patrick Klepek.

[Momo]

I cant care enough about Patrick Claptrap to spend time thinking about how I hate him

[Mr. Nobody]

Is this one of those things where Cindi is going out of her way to look up the most extreme people on a position and then convincing herself/trying to convince everyone else that this is how all of these people are because she's mad about something only tangentially related?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

If anything, I've seen far more "positive" fat woman characters than male.

Yeah, homer simpson and peter griffin are fat stupid idiots, and yet they somehow manage to land their smart attractive wives without effort.

Its entirely possible to accept the premise that womens portrayal in mass media is based more on looking attractive and that men often aren't held to meeting those same standards, but also accept that its possible to take that premise way too far and ignore medical realities.
Its also fine to question the premise that it is cishet men responsible for that same media portrayal, as certain feminist theories assume; if you look at media specifically designed for the male gaze - porn - women tend to be shorter and curvier than 'mainstream' media portray them. Media aimed specifically at women, such as fashion magazines, promote a 'size sero', taller, flatter, thinner, more androgyne look, that a lot of women just genetically can't meet.

e: same deal with the whoreswhoreswhores thread on era; its mostly dudes. Its mostly gay dudes. Its mostly pushing an androgynous look as being 'acceptable' for women, because they like twinks and not female porn stars.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The lack of job security in this industry is baffling. It's a real issue and it keeps talented people away.

He replies to Patrick's post, in a way to insinuate that Patrick has no talent.

Patrick is a fuck up of the highest caliber. He's been bounced around as a "journalist" in the industry for 13-14 years (he considers posting and lurking  on Neogaf as part of his career, so he'd say 20 years, implying a 14 year old has the capacity to not be a fucking idoot).

His main scoopity scoop happened 10 years ago about, for 1UP or G4 or whomever he sucked up to or blew. He doesn't have a distinctive style or wit, his opinions are up righteous/arrogant pieces of trash. I wouldn't be surprised if everyone at Giant Bomb loathed how much of a smelly tryhard intellectual he is.

I'll never forget how triggered he was by Armstrong in Metal Gear Rising. A beloved villain with outrageous and awesome dialouge, Armstrong made the ending strong and memorable.

Meanwhile, Patrick had to be the wet blanket that voiced how the Japanese are making a mockery of American politics, and how wrong it feels.

I hope Patrick Kleptard gets big dicked so hard he becomes a trap sissy that takes gallons of cum and thousands of raw dicks.

I know I'm way behind in the thread but I just wanted to say I love you, it's so nice to see someone with the same level of hatred I have for Patrick Klepek.

 

[Himu]

I agree with unrealistic body standards. This isn't what we're talking about.

Nor why fat acceptance is remotely a feminist issue.

[Propagandhim]

If anything, I've seen far more "positive" fat woman characters than male.

Yeah, homer simpson and peter griffin are fat stupid idiots, and yet they somehow manage to land their smart attractive wives without effort.

Its entirely possible to accept the premise that womens portrayal in mass media is based more on looking attractive and that men often aren't held to meeting those same standards, but also accept that its possible to take that premise way too far and ignore medical realities.
Its also fine to question the premise that it is cishet men responsible for that same media portrayal, as certain feminist theories assume; if you look at media specifically designed for the male gaze - porn - women tend to be shorter and curvier than 'mainstream' media portray them. Media aimed specifically at women, such as fashion magazines, promote a 'size sero', taller, flatter, thinner, more androgyne look, that a lot of women just genetically can't meet.

e: same deal with the whoreswhoreswhores thread on era; its mostly dudes. Its mostly gay dudes. Its mostly pushing an androgynous look as being 'acceptable' for women, because they like twinks and not female porn stars.

It's the same for both sexes.  Look at Wolverine, a character literally described by his namesake as being a short but ferocious man (probably the only short male superhero anyone can think of) was cast by a 6'4 dude. They couldn't even let a short guy get the only short superhero  .  Waiting on these movie/television/magazine execs and directors to validate you through their media is a fool's errand. And if it's that important to a woman who is overweight to be reflected in popular media, just lose some weight.  Fat is not your identity and losing weight is actually easy if you're not a crybaby.   Guaranteed easier than a man getting limb-lengthening surgery. 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Women being held to standards that men aren't is inherently a feminist issue

[Don Rumata]

If anything, I've seen far more "positive" fat woman characters than male.

Yeah, homer simpson and peter griffin are fat stupid idiots, and yet they somehow manage to land their smart attractive wives without effort.

Its entirely possible to accept the premise that womens portrayal in mass media is based more on looking attractive and that men often aren't held to meeting those same standards, but also accept that its possible to take that premise way too far and ignore medical realities.
Its also fine to question the premise that it is cishet men responsible for that same media portrayal, as certain feminist theories assume; if you look at media specifically designed for the male gaze - porn - women tend to be shorter and curvier than 'mainstream' media portray them. Media aimed specifically at women, such as fashion magazines, promote a 'size sero', taller, flatter, thinner, more androgyne look, that a lot of women just genetically can't meet.

e: same deal with the whoreswhoreswhores thread on era; its mostly dudes. Its mostly gay dudes. Its mostly pushing an androgynous look as being 'acceptable' for women, because they like twinks and not female porn stars.

It's the same for both sexes.  Look at Wolverine, a character literally described by his namesake as being a short but ferocious man (probably the only short male superhero anyone can think of) was cast by a 6'4 dude. They couldn't even let a short guy get the only short superhero  .  Waiting on these movie/television/magazine execs and directors to validate you through their media is a fool's errand. And if it's that important to a woman who is overweight to be reflected in popular media, just lose some weight.  Fat is not your identity and losing weight is actually easy if you're not a crybaby.   Guaranteed easier than a man getting limb-lengthening surgery.

Statistics seem to disagree, especially if we consider people who can keep the weight off.
There wouldn't be an obesity problem otherwise.

I agree that being fat isn't an identity though, but then again, i don't think art should be approached with that mentality in the first place.

[Himu]

Women being held to standards that men aren't is inherently a feminist issue

What does that have to do with promoting health at every size, that being 300 lb is beautiful, the idea that a woman's worth has more to do with how she looks than her ideas?

[Straight Edge]

Just start calling them Fat Earthers.

[Propagandhim]

If anything, I've seen far more "positive" fat woman characters than male.

Yeah, homer simpson and peter griffin are fat stupid idiots, and yet they somehow manage to land their smart attractive wives without effort.

Its entirely possible to accept the premise that womens portrayal in mass media is based more on looking attractive and that men often aren't held to meeting those same standards, but also accept that its possible to take that premise way too far and ignore medical realities.
Its also fine to question the premise that it is cishet men responsible for that same media portrayal, as certain feminist theories assume; if you look at media specifically designed for the male gaze - porn - women tend to be shorter and curvier than 'mainstream' media portray them. Media aimed specifically at women, such as fashion magazines, promote a 'size sero', taller, flatter, thinner, more androgyne look, that a lot of women just genetically can't meet.

e: same deal with the whoreswhoreswhores thread on era; its mostly dudes. Its mostly gay dudes. Its mostly pushing an androgynous look as being 'acceptable' for women, because they like twinks and not female porn stars.

It's the same for both sexes.  Look at Wolverine, a character literally described by his namesake as being a short but ferocious man (probably the only short male superhero anyone can think of) was cast by a 6'4 dude. They couldn't even let a short guy get the only short superhero  .  Waiting on these movie/television/magazine execs and directors to validate you through their media is a fool's errand. And if it's that important to a woman who is overweight to be reflected in popular media, just lose some weight.  Fat is not your identity and losing weight is actually easy if you're not a crybaby.   Guaranteed easier than a man getting limb-lengthening surgery.

Statistics seem to disagree, especially if we consider people who can keep the weight off.
There wouldn't be an obesity problem otherwise.

I agree that being fat isn't an identity though, but then again, i don't think art should be approached with that mentality in the first place.

Going by statistics isn't proof of how hard something is.  Reading a few pages of a book at night is easy and statistics show the average person goes 20+ years without reading a single book.   Exercising and cutting calories is not difficult.  Losing weight is mechanistically simple, and unless you have other issues going on, should be quite easy to achieve over time like book reading.  Most of the world doesn't have an obesity problem - the Spanish and Japanese are not biological outliers and are not doing anything difficult.  Fat people that whine and care so much about movie/tv roles not reflecting their own bodies, but not enough to actually lose weight,  is the most first-world crybaby shit ever.   Time to be an adult.

[Uncle]

Just start calling them Fat Earthers.

 

[marrec]

Wasn't one of the biggest movies of the year - Avengers: End Game - starring a fat Thor and the entire joke was he was fat?

Completely tangential to your point, but Fat Thor was great because it showed that gaining weight and emotional issues can be related but you can successfully deal with your trauma without having to lose weight. Thor's in a great headspace by the end of the movie and still tubby.

Also it didn't play him being fat for laughs necessarily, he wasn't ripping out of jackets like Chris Farley. If anything it played his emotional trauma for laughs which is far more problematic lol

[bork]

Wasn't one of the biggest movies of the year - Avengers: End Game - starring a fat Thor and the entire joke was he was fat?

Completely tangential to your point, but Fat Thor was great because it showed that gaining weight and emotional issues can be related but you can successfully deal with your trauma without having to lose weight. Thor's in a great headspace by the end of the movie and still tubby.

Also it didn't play him being fat for laughs necessarily, he wasn't ripping out of jackets like Chris Farley. If anything it played his emotional trauma for laughs which is far more problematic lol

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It totally did.  When he shows up for the first time, his "The Dude" look and gut are very much the focal point of the scene and jokes.

[HaughtyFrank]

So... there are Ted Bundy fans on twitter and they're offended

https://twitter.com/angeIbundy/status/1163535092544876545

 

[marrec]

Wasn't one of the biggest movies of the year - Avengers: End Game - starring a fat Thor and the entire joke was he was fat?

Completely tangential to your point, but Fat Thor was great because it showed that gaining weight and emotional issues can be related but you can successfully deal with your trauma without having to lose weight. Thor's in a great headspace by the end of the movie and still tubby.

Also it didn't play him being fat for laughs necessarily, he wasn't ripping out of jackets like Chris Farley. If anything it played his emotional trauma for laughs which is far more problematic lol

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It totally did.  When he shows up for the first time, his "The Dude" look and gut are very much the focal point of the scene and jokes.

True, it's a visual gag, but it's not something they play up throughout the movie. The humor is far more focused on his depressive state with his gut just being along for the ride. At least, from what I remember I dunno it was a 5 hour movie. Honestly I felt it was a pretty positive representation of a fat dude journey, Thor is still just as much a superhero with a beer belly.

[Himu]

Also it didn't play him being fat for laughs necessarily

Yes it did. Thor was a fucking stoner and it was hilarious.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Women being held to standards that men aren't is inherently a feminist issue

What does that have to do with promoting health at every size, that being 300 lb is beautiful, the idea that a woman's worth has more to do with how she looks than her ideas?

Because those people are conflating multiple ideas together.
A) Media often portray unrealistic expectations of life, and peoples expectations are shaped by unrealistic portrayals - true
B) Women in media are generally held to stricter standards regarding physical attractiveness than men - true
C) Its generally good for your own well being and peace of mind to be content with who you are as a person - true

A,B and C are all somewhat related statements, but they're not the same statement.
"The doctor told me that I am morbidly obese and at serious risk of heart attack if I do not exercise more and eat better" doesn't become untrue because those other statements are true

[marrec]

Also it didn't play him being fat for laughs necessarily

Yes it did. Thor was a fucking stoner and it was hilarious.

He wasn't a sloppy mess because he was fat, he was a sloppy mess because of his emotional trauma, the end result is still humor but the "fatness" wasn't the focus imo

I'm thinking way too hard about this I think.

[Propagandhim]

Women being held to standards that men aren't is inherently a feminist issue

What does that have to do with promoting health at every size, that being 300 lb is beautiful, the idea that a woman's worth has more to do with how she looks than her ideas?

 
B) Women in media are generally held to stricter standards regarding physical attractiveness than men - true
 

[Himu]

So... there are Ted Bundy fans on twitter and they're offended

https://twitter.com/angeIbundy/status/1163535092544876545

 

We have been poking fun at Reset for so long we have completely missed the utter fuck circus that is twitter

B) Women in media are generally held to stricter standards regarding physical attractiveness than men - true

When I think of physical attractive male hollywood stars I think of Jason Mamoa. That dude is RIPPED. Stricter standards?

There's the dad bod thing, but that's about it. Even if they're less strict, let's face it. They're still pretty damn strict. Have you seen the body of Captain America and Thor? MCU fangirls salivate all over that, especially Cap's ass. You don't get a butt like that by being average.

[Joe Molotov]

So... there are Ted Bundy fans on twitter and they're offended

https://twitter.com/angeIbundy/status/1163535092544876545

 

Well damn, what is a personality trait then??

[Don Rumata]

Going by statistics isn't proof of how hard something is.  Reading a few pages of a book at night is easy and statistics show the average person goes 20+ years without reading a single book.   Exercising and cutting calories is not difficult.  Losing weight is mechanistically simple, and unless you have other issues going on, should be quite easy to achieve over time like book reading.  Most of the world doesn't have an obesity problem - the Spanish and Japanese are not biological outliers and are not doing anything difficult.  Fat people that whine and care so much about movie/tv roles not reflecting their own bodies, but not enough to actually lose weight,  is the most first-world crybaby shit ever.   Time to be an adult.

Simple =/= easy and hard=/=complicated.
If your understanding of losing weight is limited to the idea of CICO, yes, losing weight is simple thermodynamics, but that's a very myopic view of the problem (which extends way past Fat Acceptance psychos).
Metabolism adapts and changes through the loss, making it harder and harder to keep up, and sometimes making drastic weight loss damaging (insofar that you gain back more weight than you lost).
Managing habits, macros, hunger and "other issues going on" IS part of the package, and it's simply disingenuous to think that it's simply a matter of CICO.

The fact that losing large amounts of weight and keeping it off isn't easy, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, or that people should normalize being obese, on the contrary, that fact that it can be hard to achieve, means there should be as little resistance to it as possible.

  There you go you thirsty hogs.

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[Himu]

Going by statistics isn't proof of how hard something is.  Reading a few pages of a book at night is easy and statistics show the average person goes 20+ years without reading a single book.   Exercising and cutting calories is not difficult.  Losing weight is mechanistically simple, and unless you have other issues going on, should be quite easy to achieve over time like book reading.  Most of the world doesn't have an obesity problem - the Spanish and Japanese are not biological outliers and are not doing anything difficult.  Fat people that whine and care so much about movie/tv roles not reflecting their own bodies, but not enough to actually lose weight,  is the most first-world crybaby shit ever.   Time to be an adult.

Simple =/= easy and hard=/=complicated.
If your understanding of losing weight is limited to the idea of CICO, yes, losing weight is simple thermodynamics, but that's a very myopic view of the problem (which extends way past Fat Acceptance psychos).
Metabolism adapts and changes through the loss, making it harder and harder to keep up, and sometimes making drastic weight loss damaging (insofar that you gain back more weight than you lost).
Managing habits, macros, hunger and "other issues going on" IS part of the package, and it's simply disingenuous to think that it's simply a matter of CICO.

The fact that losing large amounts of weight and keeping it off isn't easy, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, or that people should normalize being obese, on the contrary, that fact that it can be hard to achieve, means there should be as little resistance to it as possible.

It is a matter of CICO.

The rest is mental.

[Nintex]

You need a certain build to do the things that super heroes do like run and jump on helicopters and stuff.

The fat earthers can already claim Alex Jones and American Jesus. There's more obese world leaders today than at any point in history what more could you want?

[Don Rumata]

Going by statistics isn't proof of how hard something is.  Reading a few pages of a book at night is easy and statistics show the average person goes 20+ years without reading a single book.   Exercising and cutting calories is not difficult.  Losing weight is mechanistically simple, and unless you have other issues going on, should be quite easy to achieve over time like book reading.  Most of the world doesn't have an obesity problem - the Spanish and Japanese are not biological outliers and are not doing anything difficult.  Fat people that whine and care so much about movie/tv roles not reflecting their own bodies, but not enough to actually lose weight,  is the most first-world crybaby shit ever.   Time to be an adult.

Simple =/= easy and hard=/=complicated.
If your understanding of losing weight is limited to the idea of CICO, yes, losing weight is simple thermodynamics, but that's a very myopic view of the problem (which extends way past Fat Acceptance psychos).
Metabolism adapts and changes through the loss, making it harder and harder to keep up, and sometimes making drastic weight loss damaging (insofar that you gain back more weight than you lost).
Managing habits, macros, hunger and "other issues going on" IS part of the package, and it's simply disingenuous to think that it's simply a matter of CICO.

The fact that losing large amounts of weight and keeping it off isn't easy, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, or that people should normalize being obese, on the contrary, that fact that it can be hard to achieve, means there should be as little resistance to it as possible.

It is a matter of CICO.

The rest is mental.

Metabolism adaptation is mental?

This is as stupid as telling someone with depression to "snap out of it" because it's all in their heads.

[ZombieSupaStar]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-cant-take-hearing-about-climate-change-anymore.136498/

Another fine example of what RE helps propagate with its constant everything is terrible 24/7 attitude.

[Himu]

Going by statistics isn't proof of how hard something is.  Reading a few pages of a book at night is easy and statistics show the average person goes 20+ years without reading a single book.   Exercising and cutting calories is not difficult.  Losing weight is mechanistically simple, and unless you have other issues going on, should be quite easy to achieve over time like book reading.  Most of the world doesn't have an obesity problem - the Spanish and Japanese are not biological outliers and are not doing anything difficult.  Fat people that whine and care so much about movie/tv roles not reflecting their own bodies, but not enough to actually lose weight,  is the most first-world crybaby shit ever.   Time to be an adult.

Simple =/= easy and hard=/=complicated.
If your understanding of losing weight is limited to the idea of CICO, yes, losing weight is simple thermodynamics, but that's a very myopic view of the problem (which extends way past Fat Acceptance psychos).
Metabolism adapts and changes through the loss, making it harder and harder to keep up, and sometimes making drastic weight loss damaging (insofar that you gain back more weight than you lost).
Managing habits, macros, hunger and "other issues going on" IS part of the package, and it's simply disingenuous to think that it's simply a matter of CICO.

The fact that losing large amounts of weight and keeping it off isn't easy, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, or that people should normalize being obese, on the contrary, that fact that it can be hard to achieve, means there should be as little resistance to it as possible.

It is a matter of CICO.

The rest is mental.

Metabolism adaptation is mental?

This is as stupid as telling someone with depression to "snap out of it" because it's all in their heads.

Few people's metabolism is that stark. CICO is how you lose weight. Blaming it on metabolism is an excuse.

Many obese people will regularly use metabolism as an excuse and say,"that person must have good metabolism" for why they lost weight. It's a way to project insecurity. After a few weeks the body adjusts to eating less food.

Willpower is how you lose weight, metabolism or not. At that point you might as well use "bad genetics" for an excuse for not losing weight.

[Boredfrom]

https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1164306204102995969

Huh, this is pretty interesting.
I wasn't thinking "false flag" when I saw the OP about ion fury, but I was wondering why that poster was gunning for it so obviously hard that they were trawling through fucking months old discord logs looking for dirt, and got kicked out of the OT for trying to drum up a controversy.

I didn't realise they were the same poster who made a BFD out of the crash team watermelon skin too.

This is so depressing.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1164306204102995969

Huh, this is pretty interesting.
I wasn't thinking "false flag" when I saw the OP about ion fury, but I was wondering why that poster was gunning for it so obviously hard that they were trawling through fucking months old discord logs looking for dirt, and got kicked out of the OT for trying to drum up a controversy.

I didn't realise they were the same poster who made a BFD out of the crash team watermelon skin too.

This is so depressing.

Looks like some gator just played themselves. They did all the hard work (scanning through months of discord chat) while RE got to have all the fun (being mad on the internet).

[bork]

https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1164306204102995969

Huh, this is pretty interesting.
I wasn't thinking "false flag" when I saw the OP about ion fury, but I was wondering why that poster was gunning for it so obviously hard that they were trawling through fucking months old discord logs looking for dirt, and got kicked out of the OT for trying to drum up a controversy.

I didn't realise they were the same poster who made a BFD out of the crash team watermelon skin too.

This is so depressing.

Yeah.   

I really would like to know how many of the people getting OUTRAGED over all this stuff even buy these games.

[ZombieSupaStar]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-cant-take-hearing-about-climate-change-anymore.136498/page-2#post-23829692

I strongly suggest you get off Era for a while. This place is the most scared, hyperbolic and negative community on just about everything I've ever seen.

Careful Drew, don’t get to fresh criticizing the perfect utopia now, you may be judged as posting in bad faith!

[nachobro]

Yeah.   

I really would like to know how many of the people getting OUTRAGED over all this stuff even buy these games.

You already know the answer to that. Resetti response to the devs apologizing was a mix of "good for them, too bad i was never going to get it" and "i still don't trust them so i won't be buying it"

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-cant-take-hearing-about-climate-change-anymore.136498/page-2#post-23829692

I strongly suggest you get off Era for a while. This place is the most scared, hyperbolic and negative community on just about everything I've ever seen.

Careful Drew, don’t get to fresh criticizing the perfect utopia now, you may be judged as posting in bad faith!

"I strongly suggest you get off Era for a while. This place is the most scared, hyperbolic and negative community on just about everything I've ever seen...that I can't stop going to and posting on."   

[Don Rumata]

Going by statistics isn't proof of how hard something is.  Reading a few pages of a book at night is easy and statistics show the average person goes 20+ years without reading a single book.   Exercising and cutting calories is not difficult.  Losing weight is mechanistically simple, and unless you have other issues going on, should be quite easy to achieve over time like book reading.  Most of the world doesn't have an obesity problem - the Spanish and Japanese are not biological outliers and are not doing anything difficult.  Fat people that whine and care so much about movie/tv roles not reflecting their own bodies, but not enough to actually lose weight,  is the most first-world crybaby shit ever.   Time to be an adult.

Simple =/= easy and hard=/=complicated.
If your understanding of losing weight is limited to the idea of CICO, yes, losing weight is simple thermodynamics, but that's a very myopic view of the problem (which extends way past Fat Acceptance psychos).
Metabolism adapts and changes through the loss, making it harder and harder to keep up, and sometimes making drastic weight loss damaging (insofar that you gain back more weight than you lost).
Managing habits, macros, hunger and "other issues going on" IS part of the package, and it's simply disingenuous to think that it's simply a matter of CICO.

The fact that losing large amounts of weight and keeping it off isn't easy, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, or that people should normalize being obese, on the contrary, that fact that it can be hard to achieve, means there should be as little resistance to it as possible.

It is a matter of CICO.

The rest is mental.

Metabolism adaptation is mental?

This is as stupid as telling someone with depression to "snap out of it" because it's all in their heads.

Few people's metabolism is that stark. CICO is how you lose weight. Blaming it on metabolism is an excuse.

Many obese people will regularly use metabolism as an excuse and say,"that person must have good metabolism" for why they lost weight. It's a way to project insecurity. After a few weeks the body adjusts to eating less food.

Willpower is how you lose weight, metabolism or not. At that point you might as well use "bad genetics" for an excuse for not losing weight.

Metabolism adaptation after a severe calorie deficit is not a matter of opinion or willpower.
Just because some fatties don't understand the concept of metabolism, or use it as an excuse to keep eating like shit, doesn't make it less real.

It's the reason why a controlled, steady weight loss is better than a drastic one (aside from specific cases), as the former will allow your metabolism to adapt to your new calorie intake, without dropping too much, so that once the weight loss is over, you can revert back into a maintenance diet more easily, instead of having a fucked up metabolism that runs on 500kcal per day.
This doesn't mean that "she's thin cuz she has a good metabolism" is real or a good excuse, but handling metabolism through the dieting process is probably the most important factor a good and healthy weight loss.

If CICO was all there was to it, being a nutritionist would be one hell of a job.

[Boredfrom]

https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1164306204102995969

Huh, this is pretty interesting.
I wasn't thinking "false flag" when I saw the OP about ion fury, but I was wondering why that poster was gunning for it so obviously hard that they were trawling through fucking months old discord logs looking for dirt, and got kicked out of the OT for trying to drum up a controversy.

I didn't realise they were the same poster who made a BFD out of the crash team watermelon skin too.

This is so depressing.

Looks like some gator just played themselves. They did all the hard work (scanning through months of discord chat) while RE got to have all the fun (being mad on the internet).

That is the thing that blows my mind, the people that supposedly care about the game and the devs see nothing wrong with shit on them for “bending the knee” and act like stupid idiots and patting themselves in the back. Some saying this is a a embarrassment to ERA when they could careless and moved on to another stuff to bitch about. Nothing was accomplished, everyone is more miserable.

[Boredfrom]

Yeah.   

I really would like to know how many of the people getting OUTRAGED over all this stuff even buy these games.

You already know the answer to that. Resetti response to the devs apologizing was a mix of "good for them, too bad i was never going to get it" and "i still don't trust them so i won't be buying it"

The reaction from real fans that bought the game has been not much better...

[Himu]

Going by statistics isn't proof of how hard something is.  Reading a few pages of a book at night is easy and statistics show the average person goes 20+ years without reading a single book.   Exercising and cutting calories is not difficult.  Losing weight is mechanistically simple, and unless you have other issues going on, should be quite easy to achieve over time like book reading.  Most of the world doesn't have an obesity problem - the Spanish and Japanese are not biological outliers and are not doing anything difficult.  Fat people that whine and care so much about movie/tv roles not reflecting their own bodies, but not enough to actually lose weight,  is the most first-world crybaby shit ever.   Time to be an adult.

Simple =/= easy and hard=/=complicated.
If your understanding of losing weight is limited to the idea of CICO, yes, losing weight is simple thermodynamics, but that's a very myopic view of the problem (which extends way past Fat Acceptance psychos).
Metabolism adapts and changes through the loss, making it harder and harder to keep up, and sometimes making drastic weight loss damaging (insofar that you gain back more weight than you lost).
Managing habits, macros, hunger and "other issues going on" IS part of the package, and it's simply disingenuous to think that it's simply a matter of CICO.

The fact that losing large amounts of weight and keeping it off isn't easy, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, or that people should normalize being obese, on the contrary, that fact that it can be hard to achieve, means there should be as little resistance to it as possible.

It is a matter of CICO.

The rest is mental.

Metabolism adaptation is mental?

This is as stupid as telling someone with depression to "snap out of it" because it's all in their heads.

Few people's metabolism is that stark. CICO is how you lose weight. Blaming it on metabolism is an excuse.

Many obese people will regularly use metabolism as an excuse and say,"that person must have good metabolism" for why they lost weight. It's a way to project insecurity. After a few weeks the body adjusts to eating less food.

Willpower is how you lose weight, metabolism or not. At that point you might as well use "bad genetics" for an excuse for not losing weight.

Metabolism adaptation after a severe calorie deficit is not a matter of opinion or willpower.
Just because some fatties don't understand the concept of metabolism, or use it as an excuse to keep eating like shit, doesn't make it less real.

It's the reason why a controlled, steady weight loss is better than a drastic one (aside from specific cases), as the former will allow your metabolism to adapt to your new calorie intake, without dropping too much, so that once the weight loss is over, you can revert back into a maintenance diet more easily, instead of having a fucked up metabolism that runs on 500kcal per day.
This doesn't mean that "she's thin cuz she has a good metabolism" is real or a good excuse, but handling metabolism through the dieting process is probably the most important factor a good and healthy weight loss.

If CICO was all there was to it, being a nutritionist would be one hell of a job.

Metabolism is just an excuse.

CICO really is all there is. Every diet is basically CICO repackaged.

If you eat less than what you burn every day you will lose weight, metabolism or not. Yes, metabolism is a factor. But not as much a factor as caloric intake and energy expenditure. If you eat like shit and don't exercise you'll gain weight. If you eat well but still eat too much while not exercising enough, you'll gain. If you limit your food intake and up your exercise for insurance you will lose weight.

Simple. Bringing up metabolism, saying,"weight loss is harder for others because of metabolism" is just excuse making. End of.

[nachobro]

The reaction from real fans that bought the game has been not much better...

Very true, but they did buy the game at least. Resetti goes hard in the internet war but always seems to have a reason to not buy a game

cue someone posting about all the people saying they won't buy egs games lol

[Nintex]

The devs were dumb to bend the knee and I hate it when they give in to a dozen mouth-breathers.
However that does not stop me from playing, enjoying and even promoting or recommending the game to others.