River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

In a human rights respect I think trans rights are pretty much equal to gay rights atm, except in some holdouts in society (the deeply religious, the deeply bigoted, the deeply stupid). And that is a bad part of a venn-diagram to be in the center of. That's one of those bad-grams

I don't think anyone worth listening to is seriously arguing against allowing trans people to run boy scout troops or not allow them to marry

Eh... pretty large swaths of the American public do not want to recognize a trans woman's right to be considered a woman in public spaces. 

referring to someone in a way they don't like is not a human rights violation

Will you address what my post was actually about or nah?

you want to clarify then?

recognizing a trans woman's right to be considered a women in public = bumping into them and saying oh excuse me ma'am, no?

no one has a human right to be considered anything by the general public

the only place where rights enter the picture is business and government, such as the right to get a brazilian wax as a woman or control over your birth certificate/passport/ID etc.

You edited out the part of my post about bathroom and locker room usage; whether you consider that a human rights issue or not is maybe separate but it's certainly far more concrete than merely what you call someone in public.

But I certainly consider it a rights issue, as I would consider my wife being forced to use a men's locker room a rights issue.

The reason you never saw even a whisper about the Jessica Yaniv story on ressetterradotcomellellsee is because they did something no reasobale person would conclude is 'okay' let alone 'within their rights', and yet it represents the argumentum ad absurdum of the ideology that the trans activists on era are attempting to push as 'trans rights', and forces them to either play the no true scotsman rebuttal and claim that its different because jessica yaniv is not - because reasons - trans, or concede that no, gender is not solely a societal construct, and that just saying that you are a thing does not confer you with all of the legal and societal rights of that thing just because you feel like you want them that day.

also

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

another argumentum ad absurdum;
a serial rapist between his conviction and his sentecing declares himself to now be a trans woman, and demands to go to a female only prison.

Is that okay? On any level?

[nachobro]

yes

[Boredfrom]

I feel is kind of self destructive that people exposing Yaniv are limited to far-right rags. There is just the need of one particular bad apple to undermine this causes and ignoring this apples are not going to help when shit hit the fan.

Yaniv is a extreme example, for sure, but one that is pretty vocal and tries to get on the spotlight at regular.

[Rufus]

another argumentum ad absurdum;
a serial rapist between his conviction and his sentecing declares himself to now be a trans woman, and demands to go to a female only prison.

Is that okay? On any level?

Is it possible? (Genuine question, btw. I don't know.)

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I feel is kind of self destructive that people exposing Yaniv are limited to far-right rags. There is just the need of one particular bad apple to undermine this causes and ignoring this apples are not going to help when shit hit the fan.

Yaniv is a extreme example, for sure, but one that is pretty vocal and tries to get on the spotlight at regular.

Yes, but the problem for the specific type of twitter activists - who are not people who have been medically diagnosed with gender dysphoria and are basically just saying they are what they want to be with no oversight or checks - is either declaring that Yaniv is not trans (and undermining their own position that people are whatever they declare they are no questions asked) or that there are limits to how society treats people who declare what they want to be and that that is not in fact a breach of rights, or even transphobic.

another argumentum ad absurdum;
a serial rapist between his conviction and his sentecing declares himself to now be a trans woman, and demands to go to a female only prison.

Is that okay? On any level?

Is it possible? (Genuine question, btw. I don't know.)

If the specific type of activist pushing the specific ideology that people are what they declare themselves to be, no questions asked, achieved their goal, yes.
Which is one of the reasons debate gets so heated. Because they are ideologues not arguing from a stance of societal benefit, but, frankly, delusional wish fulfillment.

[EchoRin]

Gotta say Shinobi's examples of trying to make his kid not racist are pretty crap. 5 year olds may be simple, but they aren't stupid. They know a black cat and A WHITE FREAKIN MALE IS A BLACK SUIT  are not black people or brown people.

I feel for Shinobi though if this behavior isn't learned from him. Could really come from anywhere. Some other adults within earshot saying something blatantly or subtly racist at a shopping mall food court. Observation at a playground of how other parents might be a little more closed off to their kid playing with some minority kid. Who knows. Lucky for Shinobi, kids are still very mendable.

/carepost

[marrec]

another argumentum ad absurdum;
a serial rapist between his conviction and his sentecing declares himself to now be a trans woman, and demands to go to a female only prison.

Is that okay? On any level?

Is it possible? (Genuine question, btw. I don't know.)

I mean, it's certainly possible. There would have to be medical and psychological evaluations and consultations of course.

The scenario is odd though, it presumes that a serial rapist cannot also be trans for some reason? It also presumes that there is an inherent danger in sending a trans serial rapist to a female only prison, as if when she gets there its just going to be rape city. Like, do we balk at sending a gay male serial rapist to a male only prison?

[marrec]

Gotta say Shinobi's examples of trying to make his kid not racist are pretty crap. 5 year olds may be simple, but they aren't stupid. They know a black cat and A WHITE FREAKIN MALE IS A BLACK SUIT  are not black people or brown people.

I feel for Shinobi though if this behavior isn't learned from him. Could really come from anywhere. Some other adults within earshot saying something blatantly or subtly racist at a shopping mall food court. Observation at a playground of how other parents might be a little more closed off to their kid playing with some minority kid. Who knows. Lucky for Shinobi, kids are still very mendable.

/carepost

Shinobi needs to calm down and realize that a 5 y/o says a lot of dumb shit that they don't mean or think about. He might have heard a kid at school say it who maybe heard their older brother say it because their racist dad said it. You don't become racist because a classmate in pre-school said something stupid, you absorb it from your overall environment.

Maybe his wife is like, super racist and slipping the kid bits of racial programming behind Shinobi's back lol

[VomKriege]

another argumentum ad absurdum;
a serial rapist between his conviction and his sentecing declares himself to now be a trans woman, and demands to go to a female only prison.

Is that okay? On any level?

Is it possible? (Genuine question, btw. I don't know.)

I would imagine, but I haven't looked up the laws in countries so maybe I'm extrapolating from what I know of, that an official recognition of a sex/gender change has some administrative or court based approval system, including a psych evaluation. Pending that I doubt his request would be granted. Would he open the proper procedures, I'd imagine it would be strictly scrutinized.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I mean, it's certainly possible. There would have to be medical and psychological evaluations and consultations of course.

To be clear, I have no problem whatsoever with people who meet any or all of the criteria to determine they have gender dysphoria, or who are 'officially' deemed to be transgender, and I am sure that it is an inexact science that would benefit from greater research, and those people absolutely deserve all of the rights of transitioning to a new identity and to be treated as their new identity while transitioning, and society has a lot of work to do to make obvious pain points and general shittiness (like forcing them to use 'deadname' identification) less shitty for them.

But those aren't the people who are basically fucking shit up for people who would pass any and all tests that could be adminstered, and being toxic assholes activists about it.
Its the people who just decide they are then start taking over the counter meds when they feel like it, then stopping and starting, who would not pass most evaluations and decide they know best anyway and demand the world changes to suit them.

I would imagine, but I haven't looked up the laws in countries so maybe I'm extrapolating from what I know of, that an official recognition of a sex/gender change has some administrative or court based approval system, including a psych evaluation. Pending that I doubt his request would be granted. Would he open the proper procedures, I'd imagine it would be strictly scrutinized.

Yes, that's how it currently works in most countries (that recognise trans at all) AFAIK.
But there are people pushing the ideology that it should not be the decision of anyone except the individual concerned, and that nobody can question that individual once they decide what they want to be,
Which is absolutely ludicrous.

[Joe Molotov]

Gotta say Shinobi's examples of trying to make his kid not racist are pretty crap. 5 year olds may be simple, but they aren't stupid. They know a black cat and A WHITE FREAKIN MALE IS A BLACK SUIT  are not black people or brown people.

I feel for Shinobi though if this behavior isn't learned from him. Could really come from anywhere. Some other adults within earshot saying something blatantly or subtly racist at a shopping mall food court. Observation at a playground of how other parents might be a little more closed off to their kid playing with some minority kid. Who knows. Lucky for Shinobi, kids are still very mendable.

/carepost

Shinobi needs to calm down and realize that a 5 y/o says a lot of dumb shit that they don't mean or think about. He might have heard a kid at school say it who maybe heard their older brother say it because their racist dad said it. You don't become racist because a classmate in pre-school said something stupid, you absorb it from your overall environment.

Maybe his wife is like, super racist and slipping the kid bits of racial programming behind Shinobi's back lol

Or he might have heard some spicy language when mommy's bull was over. He just needs to set his kid down and explain "race play", kids are smart they'll catch on.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

"race play", kids are smart they'll catch on.

[daemon]

[Uncle]

I feel is kind of self destructive that people exposing Yaniv are limited to far-right rags. There is just the need of one particular bad apple to undermine this causes and ignoring this apples are not going to help when shit hit the fan.

Yaniv is a extreme example, for sure, but one that is pretty vocal and tries to get on the spotlight at regular.

yeah I know it's uncomfortable to talk about but these are the sorts of things that need to be hashed out as we work through this stuff

it shouldn't be partisan underground news stories from questionable sources, "the things the left won't tell you about," don't let them dangle that over you, talk about that shit

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tom-hollands-last-minute-appeal-helped-seal-a-spider-man-deal.144660/

Imagine believing holland was responsible for this.

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/deadline-nypd-to-deploy-undercover-cops-at-joker-screenings.144621/

congratulations era

you just got the thin blue line into the theater where they can be redpilled

after which they'll don the purple jacket

[Rahxephon91]

[Rahxephon91]

Hating and disregarding these people isn’t going to help.

But I know era isn’t about actual self improvement.

[benita]

Black cop kills white woman and gets 12.5 years - "Good" (89 posts total)

White cop kills black man and gets 10 years - "FUCK THIS SHIT IM SO TIRED" (100 posts in 40 minutes)

 

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/anti-defamation-league-adds-36-symbols-to-its-hate-on-display-database-including-ok-symbol.143567/

from the database



 

[EchoRin]

Seems outdated. ACAB goes way beyond any skinheads at this point for years.

Great song with an ACAB bent

[Joe Molotov]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/deadline-nypd-to-deploy-undercover-cops-at-joker-screenings.144621/

congratulations era

you just got the thin blue line into the theater where they can be redpilled

after which they'll don the purple jacket

[EchoRin]

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[Boredfrom]

man..... the victim's brother hugging it out with the killer...

I... have so many angry thoughts, and I know he's his own person, but...

god damn why the fuck we forgiving the folks that are blowing us away

 

[zepblackstar]

Shinobi outed his 5 year old son as racist on twitter

https://twitter.com/shinobi602/status/1179203039472885761

BAN SHINOBI’S KIDS AND KILL THEM

https://twitter.com/WoWCoreT/status/1179206036097568768


who calls 5 year old classmates.. workmates?

[Boredfrom]

It's fucking gross and we wonder why cops are spare no real thought to killing our people. There is always some black people who are sadly willing to let our killers slide out of a foolish notion of "forgiveness". These cops wipe their asses with such sentiment.

“Fuck the victim’s brother.”

Man being a black guy and seeing the black brother and black judge just hugging it out and comforting a murderer ain’t sitting right with me at all. Spineless

 

[Boredfrom]

For fuck's sake. Savion Glover can't even tap dance that well.

Racism does not deserve forgiveness. Forgiveness has to be earned through the course of self-reflection and betterment, and this country has done fuck all to actually address the physiological and systemic issues that allow white people to continually get away with killing us. Forgiveness inherently gives white people a pass. You're just giving these people ammo at that point.

It couldn't have been my brother, one of my best friends. I would've moved furniture in that fucking courtroom to snatch up that filthy piece of shit.

“I could kill some white babies.”

Why the fuck is Nephente a mod?

[Boredfrom]

I had some of the vilest thoughts run through my head when I saw the "forgiveness" and the "hug" part, a gesture that is somehow earned even before she had to start paying penance.

If the man's brother can forgive a potentially white supremacist for killing an unarmed black man in his own home and then later use his personal possession of marijuana to malign the man's character, then who the fuck am I, one with no skin in this tragedy, to hold grudge against the killer?

Not like a non-rich black man's life is worth much to the cops but perhaps this shows it's worth even less when it is only a matter of breaking the law and not one of suffering from moral guilt for killing one.

You know at this point is the brother own damn problem if he forgives her or holds a grudge?

[Superstar]

That trump tweet is hilarious. I don't care who you are, you have to, but I want to see how Re dances around it being really fucking funny.

[Boredfrom]

That trump tweet is hilarious. I don't care who you are, you have to, but I want to see how Re dances around it being really fucking funny.

Shut up Nintex.

[HaughtyFrank]

It's fucking gross and we wonder why cops are spare no real thought to killing our people. There is always some black people who are sadly willing to let our killers slide out of a foolish notion of "forgiveness". These cops wipe their asses with such sentiment.

“Fuck the victim’s brother.”

Man being a black guy and seeing the black brother and black judge just hugging it out and comforting a murderer ain’t sitting right with me at all. Spineless

 

When you're upset that someone who is actually affected by this tragedy shows forgiveness then it's really time to check yourself

[daemon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tom-hollands-last-minute-appeal-helped-seal-a-spider-man-deal.144660/

Imagine believing holland was responsible for this.

Disney, I don't feel so good

Sony, I don't wanna go



/sad corporation noises

[Uncle]

When you're upset that someone who is actually affected by this tragedy shows forgiveness then it's really time to check yourself

but it normalizes a culture of forgiving racists and those who would wish harm upon us

[Nuitangg]

Era cancelling the brother 

[Boredfrom]

People deal with grief in different ways. But I don't subscribe to that "Forgiveness makes you the bigger person" crap at all

What about “is his own damn business”.

Yep. This is the issue. Anytime some injustice is perpetrated against black people, this video that so many (white) people found "powerful" will be pointed to, and they'll be asked, "Why can't you be more like this guy?"

Paragon of forgiveness. An exemplary black man to show the rest of us how we're meant to behave, and know our place.

Enzom: Say what you want to say!

I am. Religion brainwashed these people. I don't care if this makes me sound like a fedora wearing neckbeard. This forgiveness of a racist murderer is stupid.

Holy shit...

[daemon]

I literally have no idea of what you guys are talking about at this point because no links.

[Boredfrom]

I literally have no idea of what you guys are talking about at this point because no links.

Thank God.

[daemon]

I literally have no idea of what you guys are talking about at this point because no links.

Thank God.

Okay then, time to open the chapter on Alec Holowka again /dusts off cover

[stufte]

I literally have no idea of what you guys are talking about at this point because no links.

Thank God.

Okay then, time to open the chapter on Alec Holowka again /dusts off cover

[daemon]

I literally have no idea of what you guys are talking about at this point because no links.

Thank God.

Okay then, time to open the chapter on Alec Holowka again /dusts off cover

[Boredfrom]

To quote the great socio-philosopher Leonardo DiCaprio, they with will be examples of the... "Exceptional Negro".

https://www.resetera.com/threads/amber-guyger-found-guilty-of-murder-at-trial-in-fatal-shooting-of-neighbor-botham-jean.144376/page-17#post-25091526

 

[Joe Molotov]

it makes them look naive. it also sets a bad precedent. kill a black man expect forgiveness and mercy and a slap on the wrist no matter what.

Exactly, just look at Liam Neeson. We forgave him, then he killed all those black people. Sickening.

[Uncle]

[OnlyRegret]

good thing the Southern Poverty Law Center preserved the tweets for their database on hate groups:
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This is so patronizing.  This is his best example for explaining to his kid that people of color are just like everyone else?  Look, I know he's just a child...but fucking BATMAN?  Cats?      Shinobi is one of those white liberals that never goes near any area with people of color, so his best frame of reference to communicate his perspective of brown-skinned human beings is the caped crusader.

either that or all they can say is food
just laughable

[Boredfrom]

Are you criticizing him for forgiving her?

What? No. If that's what he needs to do to make peace with this, then that's for him to do.

I am going to criticize the fact that she got off with a light sentence for murder and that even the fucking Judge hugged her over this. I'm also going to call out how much people are focusing on him forgiving her over the miscarriage of justice that the sentence is.

Him in the other thread:

It's fucking gross and we wonder why cops are spare no real thought to killing our people. There is always some black people who are sadly willing to let our killers slide out of a foolish notion of "forgiveness". These cops wipe their asses with such sentiment.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/amber-guyger-found-guilty-of-murder-at-trial-in-fatal-shooting-of-neighbor-botham-jean-sentence-10-years.144376/page-14#post-25089243

 

[Averon]

Shinobi sounds like one of those try-hard 'woke' white guys that want to show everyone how progressive he is, but on a very surface, shallow level. Him engaging in anything deeper than Twitter posts or repeating what other PoC say fries his brain and turn him into a deer in headlights. Which explain why he thought it was a good idea to post that on Twitter, try to use a white comic book character to teach his son racial equality, and him putting the "fear of God" into a 5-year old thinking that is a measured, effective response.

[benjipwns]

It couldn't have been my brother, one of my best friends. I would've moved furniture in that fucking courtroom to snatch up that filthy piece of shit.

No, you wouldn't have. You're like Ben Shapiro sized.

[OnlyRegret]

For fuck's sake. Savion Glover can't even tap dance that well.

Racism does not deserve forgiveness. Forgiveness has to be earned through the course of self-reflection and betterment, and this country has done fuck all to actually address the physiological and systemic issues that allow white people to continually get away with killing us. Forgiveness inherently gives white people a pass. You're just giving these people ammo at that point.

It couldn't have been my brother, one of my best friends. I would've moved furniture in that fucking courtroom to snatch up that filthy piece of shit.

“I could kill some white babies.”

Why the fuck is Nephente a mod?

the voices that must be heard and that jazz

[zepblackstar]

Those Shinobi tweets put his 5 year old kid on blast on social media for clout is ridiculously awful and he should be feel bad for it. Seriously unacceptable parenting.

[Tektonic]

So,the most hateful incel-friendly movie just opened here in Australia.

Joker inspired shootings = 0

Will update...

[benita]

Where was this energy for Justine Diamond?

 

[remy]

So,the most hateful incel-friendly movie just opened here in Australia.

Joker inspired shootings = 0

Will update...

Hey now, that guy shot at two police stations in sydney yesterday!

[Thirty-Ought-Six]

resetti posters are very mad about some change to XP in Pokemon and to prove their point about how everyone supposedly hates this decision, they made a poll.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/gameinformer-every-pok%C3%A9mon-in-your-party-gets-equal-experience-automatically-as-you-progress-through-the-game-no-more-exp-share.144398/

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i love how these polls backfire essentially 100% of the time

As of this post, the "yes" votes in that poll are 41%.

The Heartbeat devs + alt right TERFS literally infiltrated Reset to triple down on the transphobia. This is spectacularly disgusting, and every user who voted in that poll should be banned.

[benjipwns]

It shows how deep the mods are in the alt-right pocket chasing incel money that they won't ban people for inflammatory voting in a sensitive poll right on their own forum.

[benjipwns]

User Banned (3 Days): Vilifying a Media Outlet and Antagonizing Another User Over Multiple Posts

I'm sure Gamedaily. biz (never heard of em) gotta hella clicks today on their clickbaity article..
I await credible reports from a credible guy like Jason or Kotaku before I believe any of this. Speculation at best, at worst, outright lies for hits.

Call me paranoid, but im not buying it. Worst of all, if it's a personal issue, God forbid Shawn or his family are dealing with an emergency or something, anything they dont want known in the public domain, and people write speculative drivel trying to stir a pot or fanboy war of some sort... that wouldn't be fair, and said site would need to apologize.

User Banned (Permanent): Inflammatory Community Generalization and Dismissing Concerns of Sexism; Prior Severe Bans for Sexism and Inflammatory False Equivalence Surrounding Homophobia

I'm just happy as this (once again) puts a big dent in this weird anti-sex movement that's been going on in this forum for the past 1-2 years. Sexy designs are popular, shocking. 💁 Who's next?

[benjipwns]

permabans for everyone!

User Banned (permanent): Misrepresenting and mischaracterizing the concerns of others; numerous prior bans for inflammatory behavior including rationalizing violence against peaceful protesters

Just having a normal one on super progressive ResetEra, advancing the cause by calling for violence on... *checks*... innocent children, based on unproven accusations.

Handing out bans to people spotting holes in Jussie Smollet's story was hilarious, but this might just be a new low.

I wonder if people will take this opportunity for some urgently needed self-reflectiHAHAhaha, nah, I can't finish that sentence with a straight face.

[benjipwns]

Jesus Christ, that fucking story. I don't even know what I think should happen to whom for sure. Obviously expel the boys immediately. The parents should be publicly shamed. I kind of echo what others are saying about "get her out of that school immediately," but not knowing what her alternatives are, I'd like to hear what her parents and her said about that, first. I hope she can get some help, regardless. I can only imagine this is going to leave huge emotional scars.

I almost think we should have a system to do something about kids like this. I'm not necessarily suggesting they should be taken away from their parents, but fuck, this is the start of 6th grade. These kids are eleven. This shit didn't spontaneously generate in their heads. Someone is feeding them a steady diet of sick, hateful racism. I feel like we need a way to crush that, systematically.

shots fired at shinobi days before his ugly racist kid revealed his white supremacy

[benjipwns]

Sometimes there aren't any villains to punish.

This is a 12 year old who panicked and blamed something she did herself on innocent kids. It was believable to everyone because this racist bullying shit happens in real life all the time. But 12 year old girls and boys make stupid decisions all the time. It's built into their chemistry. They are hardwired to make poor decisions. That's why they aren't prosecuted as adults. Usually. She probably didn't realize it would escalate.

Her family believed her because of the climate - the very real existence of the thing their kid described. We believed her because of that. We believed it because the school has some extremely troubling policies and beliefs. Those kids went through hell for days. This 12 year old is going through hell now. The school and its pupils are going through hell.

The girl should lose her privileges. She should be disciplined appropriately by the school. Everyone there should use it as a learning moment about justice and race and truth and responsibility. The family IMMEDIATELY came out with a forceful statement and full acceptance of he issue.


The ONLY good that can come of this is everyone involved learning about the reasons we believed the girl - and about forgiveness and about personal responsibility. If people take sides then the harm she caused will be amplified and escalated and profoundly affect people in negative ways.


Looky-loos like us, quick to blame, quick to judge, should be equally quick to learn and forgive. It's nothing like the Smollett case which was done by an adult for selfish, venal and startegic reasons. In a sense it's a perfect moment about race, media, bullying and social media's effect on our kids and we should think about this as a positive in a parable sense. Use this incident to talk about each of the components and the harm we can create by amplifying small things into crises.

The boys are the most profoundly affected victims in the sense of their innocence, but this family and that girl are going to go through a longer hell, with death threats, the very racism she invented to begin with and so on. She is not getting away with anything.

[Joe Molotov]

The girl should lose her privileges.

Ummmmmmmmmmm, she's black she doesn't have priviledge, you cismale cracker scum.