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PogiJones

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48960 on: October 09, 2019, 07:40:53 PM »

ResetEra isn’t upset about corporate cancel culture, it’s upset at this specific target.  Getting a company to deplatform racists is acceptable, but targeting someone trying to protect their rights from asshole China is not.

It’s the exact same issue they had when James Gunn was cancelled.

Right, I don't think anyone is unaware that RE is pro-authoritarianism-when-it-supports-my-team-but-anti-authoritarianism-if-it's-against-my-team.

benjipwns

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48961 on: October 09, 2019, 07:40:54 PM »
Slow work day for our intrepid freelancer



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Nintex

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48962 on: October 09, 2019, 07:42:26 PM »
Is this Blizzard Hong Kong business still a thing.

Will Bannon vlog about it  8)
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48963 on: October 09, 2019, 07:42:48 PM »
You think the mega-corps are going to pull their woke/diversity marketing money? The culture they've cultivated is increasingly biting them back instead just growing their herd of complacent ultra-consumers gorging themselves on Disney-trash.

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« Reply #48964 on: October 09, 2019, 07:47:38 PM »
Me: *Watches Captain Marvel*

"YOU FEMINAZI CLIMATE HOAXER WOKEIST CUCK!"

Me: *Watches Joker*

"YOU INCEL LOSER ALT-RIGHT TOXIC MAGA NAZI"

Me: :patel
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PogiJones

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48965 on: October 09, 2019, 07:47:39 PM »
There is no inconsistency in those two posts you quoted. Just you missing the point. Again.
I'll accept what you wanted to have said as what you did say, even though you didn't. :hmph

Oh, I think I found how you're misreading it:

I didn't say it was cause and effect, woke causes this. I said that BanBot was right that the societal structure that internet mobs advocate--companies being societal enforcers--is what enables situations like this.
Well, pardon me for misunderstanding. :beli

The "is what enables situations like this" is relating to the structure. Like if Bob advocates for communism, and then decries things that happen in China, and someone says, "The thing you advocate for--Communism--is what enables situations like this," they're not saying that Bob caused China. They're saying Bob is an advocate for the thing that caused China, and perhaps he should stop.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48966 on: October 09, 2019, 07:52:49 PM »
The real question is how many threads will Ree's most successful contributor freelancer journalist IT support guy Hobbes make about the current Blizzard scandal.

Uncle

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48967 on: October 09, 2019, 07:57:03 PM »
blizzard's involvement matters in that it's what got gamers to notice and take action but jesus christ that better not be both the start and the end of it

imagine if china leadership wises up and says "ok unban the guy and give him his prize money and apologize" "but sir!" "just do it"

gamers say "good, finally  :hmph" and robble robble for a few more days and suddenly forget about the fucking hong kong crisis
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« Reply #48968 on: October 09, 2019, 07:58:51 PM »
blizzard's involvement matters in that it's what got gamers to notice and take action but jesus christ that better not be both the start and the end of it

imagine if china leadership wises up and says "ok unban the guy and give him his prize money and apologize" "but sir!" "just do it"

gamers say "good, finally  :hmph" and robble robble for a few more days and suddenly forget about the fucking hong kong crisis
Regimes like China are too stupid to understand that's how it works.
Because they cannot imagine someone with no ideals, no morals and no values.
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ResetBanBot

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48969 on: October 09, 2019, 07:59:54 PM »
blizzard's involvement matters in that it's what got gamers to notice and take action but jesus christ that better not be both the start and the end of it

imagine if china leadership wises up and says "ok unban the guy and give him his prize money and apologize" "but sir!" "just do it"

gamers say "good, finally  :hmph" and robble robble for a few more days and suddenly forget about the fucking hong kong crisis
Video games are already considered a hazardous substance in China. They'd rather ban the entire industry than break fucking national policy.

Boredfrom

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« Reply #48970 on: October 09, 2019, 08:05:25 PM »
There is no inconsistency in those two posts you quoted. Just you missing the point. Again.
I'll accept what you wanted to have said as what you did say, even though you didn't. :hmph

Oh, I think I found how you're misreading it:

I didn't say it was cause and effect, woke causes this. I said that BanBot was right that the societal structure that internet mobs advocate--companies being societal enforcers--is what enables situations like this.
Well, pardon me for misunderstanding. :beli

The "is what enables situations like this" is relating to the structure. Like if Bob advocates for communism, and then decries things that happen in China, and someone says, "The thing you advocate for--Communism--is what enables situations like this," they're not saying that Bob caused China. They're saying Bob is an advocate for the thing that caused China, and perhaps he should stop.

 :doge

Look, I’m not biggest fan of communism but... this stufff is not exactly enabled solely by communism, is way older than communism as a concept.

PogiJones

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« Reply #48971 on: October 09, 2019, 08:11:20 PM »
I was illustrating the sentence structure of my post with an alternative hypothetical example of a more clear sentence with a similar structure. Note Bob, quotation marks, "someone says," etc. ...

Y'all are trolling me with poor reading comprehension right now, aren't you.

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« Reply #48972 on: October 09, 2019, 08:15:57 PM »
Pogi, these are the careposts I'm looking for. Especially when you're arguing against *autistic screeching*bot, a known troll. :picard

Rufus

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48973 on: October 09, 2019, 08:17:23 PM »
The "is what enables situations like this" is relating to the structure. Like if Bob advocates for communism, and then decries things that happen in China, and someone says, "The thing you advocate for--Communism--is what enables situations like this," they're not saying that Bob caused China. They're saying Bob is an advocate for the thing that caused China, and perhaps he should stop.
Yes, I know that's what you think I take you to mean. Let's go back to the start:

BanBot's right that in an ideal world, when people complain about something someone said, an employer could only say, "And what do you want me to do about it?" Like now, if you tell a local grocery store, "That guy said something offensive a week ago!" the grocery store would be like, "Oh. Anyway, here's your change," because we as a society have not put the responsibility of social punishment on grocery stores, nor have we given them the power to do so.

But now, as people advocate more and more for workplaces being responsible for enforcing "good behavior" unrelated to work, large companies ill-equipped for such a role are expected to act as societal enforcers. They fear social backlash and yet also gain more power in the process, thus leading to absurd results like we're seeing now.

If the social enforcement expectation and power were removed, China could complain all it wants, and Blizzard would just be like, "Yeah but we can't do anything about it."


That's how they relate.


TL;DR: The very concept of companies as societal enforcers is absurd, in all its various manifestations.
I understood this to mean that situations such as Blizzard kowtowing to China would not happen if companies were not expected to uphold and enforce moral standards to the degree that they are now. Which is nonsense, because journos, RE, and whoever did not create China or their modus operandi (obviously!) drive Blizzard to do business with China (obviously!). We agree on this, as you've confirmed. If you didn't want to say that, however, then you should have phrased it differently. Particularly the bolded. China has the power to lead Blizz by the nose here, because China has big muns that Blizzard wants and stupid rules Blizzard adheres to to get at said muns. It has nothing to do with the west, as you say, expecting companies to enforce societal rules. Mechanism similar, no causal link however.

The gist of what you're saying, i.e. the tl;dr you've drawn from it, I see as seperate and take no issue with. You hopefully don't still assume I do?

PogiJones

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48974 on: October 09, 2019, 08:20:22 PM »
You forgot a "not." And I don't think you meant "against."

And I argue for truth, not for a poster. I've pointed out many times where BanBot has been hypocritical. This time his point about a similar structure is right. I'll take truth wherever it is.

Boredfrom

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« Reply #48975 on: October 09, 2019, 08:21:21 PM »
I think Pogi is saying that He thinks BanBot is trying to say that RE, journos and some activists advocate for a form of authoritarianism as the societal values has always been the perfect excuse to enforce this attitudes.

Uncle

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48976 on: October 09, 2019, 08:22:15 PM »
You forgot a "not." And I don't think you meant "against."

And I argue for truth, not for a poster. I've pointed out many times where BanBot has been hypocritical. This time his point about a similar structure is right. I'll take truth wherever it is.

 :salute unironically
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ResetBanBot

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48977 on: October 09, 2019, 08:26:25 PM »
How dare anyone on this fucking forum agree with me.

Stop it PojiJones
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48978 on: October 09, 2019, 08:35:04 PM »
Pogi, these are the careposts I'm looking for. Especially when you're arguing against *autistic screeching*bot, a known troll. :picard

I'd like to post tremendous care but I can't physically bother to read the last page.
Where the fuck is the ASCI filth at, Shosta you fucking letdown.

Rufus

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48979 on: October 09, 2019, 08:35:57 PM »
You forgot a "not." And I don't think you meant "against."

And I argue for truth, not for a poster. I've pointed out many times where BanBot has been hypocritical. This time his point about a similar structure is right. I'll take truth wherever it is.
Spelling mistakes and platitudes? Pff. Fine. :hmph

I think Pogi is saying that He thinks BanBot is trying to say that RE, journos and some activists advocate for a form of authoritarianism as the societal values has always been the perfect excuse to enforce this attitudes.
I know, but he also said a dump thing he can't bring himself to admit and I can't help myself from engaging in petty squabble and I should be sound asleep already and fuck the internet.

PogiJones

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48980 on: October 09, 2019, 08:37:34 PM »
The "is what enables situations like this" is relating to the structure. Like if Bob advocates for communism, and then decries things that happen in China, and someone says, "The thing you advocate for--Communism--is what enables situations like this," they're not saying that Bob caused China. They're saying Bob is an advocate for the thing that caused China, and perhaps he should stop.
Yes, I know that's what you think I take you to mean. Let's go back to the start:

BanBot's right that in an ideal world, when people complain about something someone said, an employer could only say, "And what do you want me to do about it?" Like now, if you tell a local grocery store, "That guy said something offensive a week ago!" the grocery store would be like, "Oh. Anyway, here's your change," because we as a society have not put the responsibility of social punishment on grocery stores, nor have we given them the power to do so.

But now, as people advocate more and more for workplaces being responsible for enforcing "good behavior" unrelated to work, large companies ill-equipped for such a role are expected to act as societal enforcers. They fear social backlash and yet also gain more power in the process, thus leading to absurd results like we're seeing now.

If the social enforcement expectation and power were removed, China could complain all it wants, and Blizzard would just be like, "Yeah but we can't do anything about it."


That's how they relate.


TL;DR: The very concept of companies as societal enforcers is absurd, in all its various manifestations.
I understood this to mean that situations such as Blizzard kowtowing to China would not happen if companies were not expected to uphold and enforce moral standards to the degree that they are now. Which is nonsense, because journos, RE, and whoever did not create China or their modus operandi (obviously!) drive Blizzard to do business with China (obviously!). We agree on this, as you've confirmed. If you didn't want to say that, however, then you should have phrased it differently. Particularly the bolded. China has the power to lead Blizz by the nose here, because China has big muns that Blizzard wants and stupid rules Blizzard adheres to to get at said muns. It has nothing to do with the west, as you say, expecting companies to enforce societal rules. Mechanism similar, no causal link however.

The gist of what you're saying, i.e. the tl;dr you've drawn from it, I see as seperate and take no issue with. You hopefully don't still assume I do?

I see. You're right, that was ambiguous. You thought when I said "If the social enforcement expectation and power were removed," that I just meant from the West. I didn't. I meant that completely. There are two ways I mean this. The first is most obvious, but most fanciful: If, not only the West, but also China had no expectation for companies to be social enforcers, and just saw social enforcement as an issue between the government and the individual, China's anger would still be directed at the dude, but their power would be somewhat limited to their borders.

The other way is if the power of the company to be a societal enforcer were stripped. For example, if it were illegal in the US to fire/remove prize money/whatever for things unrelated to work, as a U.S. based company, Blizzard would essentially lose that power everywhere. China values the revenue Blizzard brings, so it probably wouldn't kick Blizzard out for not doing something it doesn't have the ability to do. If China knew "U.S. companies can't be our social enforcers outside our borders, it's illegal for them," then they probably wouldn't require it of them. Or whatever country this all happened in (I haven't read the details).

The reason China sees corporations as an avenue through which it can spread its societal ideals is because the companies are allowed to be societal enforcers. Strip that power, and that avenue for China reaching its societal power across its borders largely closes.

PogiJones

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48981 on: October 09, 2019, 08:39:15 PM »
I don't say dump things  :ufup

PogiJones

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« Reply #48982 on: October 09, 2019, 08:40:22 PM »
And those were grammar mistakes, not spelling mistakes :ufup

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48983 on: October 09, 2019, 08:45:45 PM »
Poop
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48984 on: October 09, 2019, 08:45:55 PM »
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48985 on: October 09, 2019, 08:46:04 PM »
Fart
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48986 on: October 09, 2019, 08:46:20 PM »
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48987 on: October 09, 2019, 08:46:36 PM »
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48988 on: October 09, 2019, 08:47:06 PM »
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Potato

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48989 on: October 09, 2019, 08:48:06 PM »
STFU and get back to shit posting on REEEEsetera and NaziGAF you fucking losers.
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48990 on: October 09, 2019, 08:49:03 PM »
 ;)
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Uncle

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48991 on: October 09, 2019, 08:50:10 PM »
Pogi the best revenge is posting the ascii porn that shosta wouldn't because then you appease both sides
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48992 on: October 09, 2019, 08:50:55 PM »
I see. You're right, that was ambiguous.
Thanks for acknowledging that. Frustrations quelled. :esports

If China knew "U.S. companies can't be our social enforcers outside our borders, it's illegal for them," then they probably wouldn't require it of them. Or whatever country this all happened in (I haven't read the details).
Most likely, yes. Hence why they require western companies to found Chinese subsidiaries or licence their properties to a Chinese company. This allows them to hold any company accountable to their local laws.
Dunno if Blizzard were threatened with consequences through back channels, or if they just pre-emptively ejected their spine, but the result is the same. (I haven't read the details either.)

The reason China sees corporations as an avenue through which it can spread its societal ideals is because the companies are allowed to be societal enforcers. Strip that power, and that avenue for China reaching its societal power across its borders largely closes.
I still think it comes down to money (dignity don't pay), but I appreciate you making your point clear once more.

I don't say dump things  :ufup
Sloppy phrasing then. :hmph
« Last Edit: October 09, 2019, 08:56:26 PM by Rufus »

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48993 on: October 09, 2019, 09:18:51 PM »
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Pretty sure I don't have an account, but guess I'll check.
Well, I have an entry from 2010 in my password manager, but turns out the account was removed due to inactivity in 2015.
Shame, I was kind of looking forward to deleting it.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/people-are-requesting-blizzard-account-deletion-but-the-system-cant-handle-it.146075/post-25308016


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nachobro

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48994 on: October 09, 2019, 09:49:53 PM »
literal definition of internet activism :lol

bork

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48995 on: October 09, 2019, 09:53:04 PM »
They haven't added Blizzard and Activision titles to their banned games list yet!?
:rage
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zepblackstar

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48996 on: October 09, 2019, 09:56:20 PM »
First it was CD Projekt, then THQ now Blizzard/ACtivision?

only thing left is to talk about that goose game

Joe Molotov

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48997 on: October 09, 2019, 09:56:59 PM »
FREE CHINA, FUCK HONG KONG, MARRY TIBET
©@©™

Nuitangg

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48998 on: October 09, 2019, 09:59:06 PM »
Can't wait for Sony's turn.

shosta

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #48999 on: October 09, 2019, 10:24:56 PM »
Ok I'm caught up on the news. I'm not "pro Hong Kong", whatever that means, but companies shouldn't let themselves be giant dadolded by foreign governments as if they have no clout of their own (the quality and uniqueness of their product). If Blizzard shit were banned in China, and I doubt China would go that far, there would be a lot of dissatisfaction in the Chinese gaming community.

gamers: rise up
每天生气

Uncle

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #49000 on: October 09, 2019, 10:30:32 PM »
First it was CD Projekt, then THQ now Blizzard/ACtivision?

only thing left is to talk about that goose game

Epic exclusive which is 40% owned by Tencent
Uncle

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #49001 on: October 09, 2019, 10:32:34 PM »
First it was CD Projekt, then THQ now Blizzard/ACtivision?

only thing left is to talk about that goose game

Epic exclusive which is 40% owned by Tencent

That's why you buy the Switch version, breh.  :rollsafe
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #49002 on: October 09, 2019, 10:34:19 PM »
Not until they do a physical release. :hmph

Uncle

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #49003 on: October 09, 2019, 10:36:03 PM »
Ok I'm caught up on the news. I'm not "pro Hong Kong", whatever that means

ok but why not
Uncle

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #49004 on: October 09, 2019, 10:38:04 PM »
have you seen the shit going on?
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Uncle

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« Reply #49005 on: October 09, 2019, 10:38:56 PM »
have you seen the shit going on?

are you saying the protesters are misbehaving and just being a dreadful nuisance
Uncle

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« Reply #49006 on: October 09, 2019, 10:40:36 PM »
have you seen the shit going on?

There is no problem in the glorious people's republic and its island, comrade.  What do you mean?   ???


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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #49007 on: October 09, 2019, 10:52:54 PM »
Can everyone stop mid-identifying Hobbes

He isn't a freelance journalist anymore.. He is a "Incident Manager"

And a verified one at that.

Although the only thing he seems to be managing is bad takes... am i right? :rodney

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #49008 on: October 09, 2019, 10:53:00 PM »
Yikes! Blizzard employees engaging in alt-right neo-nazi rhetoric by denouncing globalism and promoting white supremacist ideology: https://twitter.com/lackofrealism/status/1181639970332659712

I hope everyone involved is fired, publicly shamed, gets blacklisted and eventually commits suicide.

thisismyusername

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #49009 on: October 09, 2019, 11:07:30 PM »
First it was CD Projekt, then THQ now Blizzard/ACtivision?

only thing left is to talk about that goose game

Epic exclusive which is 40% owned by Tencent

That's why you buy the Switch version, breh.  :rollsafe

Or pirate like Glorious Pirate Master Race mandates.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2019, 12:00:51 AM by thisismyusername »

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« Reply #49010 on: October 09, 2019, 11:17:27 PM »
Ok I'm caught up on the news. I'm not "pro Hong Kong", whatever that means, but companies shouldn't let themselves be giant dadolded by foreign governments as if they have no clout of their own (the quality and uniqueness of their product). If Blizzard shit were banned in China, and I doubt China would go that far, there would be a lot of dissatisfaction in the Chinese gaming community.

gamers: rise up

How could one be upset that they can’t play a modern blizzard game?

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« Reply #49011 on: October 09, 2019, 11:27:15 PM »
wow classic is a modern blizzard game

also i enjoy some dumb overwatch once in a while

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« Reply #49012 on: October 09, 2019, 11:29:12 PM »
You forgot a "not." And I don't think you meant "against."

And I argue for truth, not for a poster. I've pointed out many times where BanBot has been hypocritical. This time his point about a similar structure is right. I'll take truth wherever it is.
Spelling mistakes and platitudes? Pff. Fine. :hmph

I know we're past this, but btw, that was supposed to be in response to TIMU's post, but your post slipped in between. I don't flee arguments with grammar nitpicks.

Nitpicking grammar is not some tool to be used. It's a glorious pastime that deserves respect and one's sole attention.

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #49013 on: October 10, 2019, 12:18:12 AM »
People calling Nephente BS:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-is-joker-still-a-dangerous-movie.145930/page-7#post-25314840

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I lean more into the deliberate obfuscation side of things. Any negative slant regardless of context against this movie was immediately filed away as moral panic and blind outrage. Saying "Hey, it looks kinda wack" would be met with "So you want to censor art like a right-wing fascist?" But it got...a 70% on Rotten Tomatoes and an award, and we didn't have a shooting like the SJWs apparently wanted for...some unknown reason, so the true comic book film fans fans got another feather in their cap I guess.   

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I don't think that's what people were saying and reacting with a couple weeks ago. You should know, you were very vocal against this movie.

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Yeah, that poster was not saying, “Hey, it looks kinda wack” at all a few weeks ago. Come on, we ain’t got gold fish memories. 



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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #49014 on: October 10, 2019, 12:19:34 AM »
I agree. I tried to be the model student in high school, taking multiple AP courses and all that because y'know from counselors, television, society in general, etc, that's what I heard universities wanted and would give me the best shot and so that's what I did.

And so I took multiple AP classes at the same time. Like AP Government, AP Composition, AP Chemistry, etc. And while individually each teacher tried not to give out too much homework even as such, no more than say 30 min-1 hour, when u have 6 different classes when you're in school that adds up to 3-6 hours each night pretty quickly. And good that's something that annoyed me so much in high school, because that refrain of teachers saying they don't give out that much was so common. Yeah, well, maybe. But you're not my only teacher, and I know you know that, but just not their problem and something that just went unsaid.

In any case, I thought I could nonetheless hack it and did my best because it's just something you had to do for the best shot at university, but I couldn't. That was all too much for me, and my grades and performance suffeeree even in stuff I enjoyed st the time like chemistry.

Especially since it's not just the homework I was worried about. Indeed, again because if university pressure, I understood how important extracurricular activities we're. And so I signed up for stuff like Quiz Bowl. And oh God, Quiz Bowl nightsm. Quiz Bowl itself was fun and I really liked it! But I also didn't actually get home until like 6:00, 6:30 PM on Quiz Bowl nights and my amount of HW was the same whether I had Quiz Bowl or not, and so Quiz Bowl nights themselves became a constant source if anxiety because I just somehow had to swuueze more into less on those nights.

And then speaking of universities, there's the applications themselves and college scholarships and all that on top of it all. And man, on that I have to say my mom was awesome because she was constantly looking for so much stuff for me, and I appreciated that so much. But at the same time, when they each wanted their own essays as part of the application process and obviously if you wanted to win with the amount of applications those things get it's not like any rush-job would cover it, with what time left over was I supposed to write all these other essays just for so much as a chance, JUST A CHANCE, of winning and the much greater probability that effort would be wasted? And so I begrudgingly ignored them because there just weren't hours in the day left for all that.

Suffice it to say that high school was a miserable experience for me, largely because of homework.

So yeah, that bring said, I agree, homework should be as close to being abolished as possible. Because I understand that each individual teacher only has a very limited time with students, but that goes two ways, and the students' free time at home is also valuable and can't be assumed to be unlimited. And indeed, because of that limited amount of time, the benefit of homework is questionable. Because if you want understand it it's probably fine. But what if you don't actually understand it,bbut just think you do? Then you're just wasting time reinforcing bad habits, but it will take until the assignment is graded and you get it back to realize that,vat which point the class has almost certainly moved on to other subjects and it's very hard to go back to that and look it over and realize what you actually did wrong so you can correct those mistakes because like all the other students you're expected to keep up with the latest material and do that now, so making the time to reach out to understand old mistakes just isn't in the cards at all, and so things can easily just snowball. And then you have the students who have limited to no parental support at all because they have bad home lives or their parents are just working 2-3 jobs and don't have time to make ends meet even if they'd likely love nothing but to have that time, and so of you have a student like that who just flat out doesn't understand the material at all, things can get bad that much faster.

That's all to say that homework is something that only even helps those most likely to succeed anyway, those students who more or less did understand the material, who have good home lives with readily accessible parental support, etc. For everyone else,it's questionable at best if not outright harmful in certain situations (as in addition to the scenarios I've outlined above, you also have people like myself, who was a straight A student who did great in school and was great at understanding material when I had proper time, but I just burned myself out trying to keep up with what I perceived to be the expectations of the universities I'd be applying to and ended up hating school as a result).

My thoughts on this are this ultimately very similar to what I feel should be worker's rights as a result. Because like most people I imagine, I've forgotten lots of what I learned in history classes over the years, just because I had no use for it even if I did find it interesting because it really is true what they say, if you don't use it, you lose it.

But anyway, the point being that one of the things I DO remember from history class for whatever reason is that one of the motor for the worker's rights movement here in the United States was "8 HOURS FOR WORK, 8 HOURS FOR REST, 8 HOURS FOR WHAT WE WILL."

And indeed, among other things, that motto was based on what was already being learned about workforce productivity at the time, that after about 40 hours of work a week productivity starts to very quickly drop off a cliff.

And well, students aren't workers obviously but they're still hunsn beings and they're still in school for about 7 hours or so each day as it is. And while that may not be much time for any individual teacher, any individual class, that's just the problem with the school model in general, that we try to pack so much into the day but spend such little time on any given thing that a lot of it is just wasted unfortunately due to focusing do much on breadth instead of depth and comprehension and understanding.

But nonetheless, regardless of how efficient or inefficient or anywhere in between, those 7 hours or so students are in class are what they are regardless. And indeed being younger and growing and all that, with large need for sleep as well especially for adolescents, well, what I'm getting at is if anything that "8 hours for work, 8 hours for rest, 8 hours for what we wil" should apply to students just as much if not more so because due to that, if not the very same, being human beings themselves, if anything their limits for truly being the most productive would be lower than the adult workforce due to all of that.

Yet, while l hear a lot about productivity to defend and if anything lower the 8 hour workday for adults and rail against stuff like forced overtime/crunch in the gaming industry for instance, it's very interesting that I almost never year the same concepts that would logically apply just as much if not more so to students, well, actually being applied to them and it's just inherently assumed that they can jack it/it's good for them or whatever and even when it comes to homework critics it's interesting that's very rarely directly part of the picture at all to me.

Be ause again, I want to make this clear, I understand that teachers themselves are under huge time constraints. But that itself is a critique of the structure if schools, how we try to squeeze so much into do little, and doesn't change what people's linirs are or how much time is already spent in schools.

And I don't know what the answer is to that, I'll be the first to admit it. But at the sane time, what I do know is that sudents already spend 7 hours or so in school as it is, and expecting them to just do more on top of that certainly isn't the answer, that's for sure, especially with other obligations and stuff once they get to the high school level anyway like extracurricular activities, college admissions essays, scholarship essays, part-time jobs, etc. I don't know what the answer is, I can admit that, but expecting students to do even more when they're already doing they're best 7 hours a day isn't it, or at least it in no way should be, IMO.

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Nope, that ain't going to fly. I was just a kid, following what society and my elders we're telling me to do. They we're telling me at all turns to do it, so of course I fucking did it. I WAS A FUCKING KID! Literally, how the fuck was I supposed to know when adults everywhere we're telling me that's just how it was, that that's what you had to do if you wanted the best shot. I was a kid, they were they adults, they were supposed to know best, I was supposed to listen, so of course that's what I did.

You sayin', despite me being a kid, I was supposed to have more wisdom and knowledge and just magically know better than the adults that were feeding me that garbage in the first place? That they aren't responsible for the garabage they were selling me, that despite them being the adults that supposedly knew how it all worked and I was indeed just the kid who knew nothing and was just listening, I was supposed to be more mature and knowledgeable and just figure out what they we're telling me was garbage and not necessary when I was the one who was new to the works and they were the ones who supposedly knew best and we're leading me in the right direction and giving me that advice at every single turn, that university is super important and if you want to not only get into university but get the best scholarships you have to do this, this, and that?

Nope, I refuse. That's not happening, that I, the high school student me, is in any conceivable fucking way am the one to blame when nah, of course I didn't know anything, that's the whole point and why I relied on messages I was getting from others so to say "isn't that you fault" when I was indeed the newbie to the world and just relying on info from my supposed betters who I trusted, but fooooooorhivr me for not being the wise elder at high school already who already magically divorce need that. Nooooooooo, it's totally my fault for trusting the people I was the last to fucking trust at every turn instead of y'know just magically knowing based on fuck-aol at the time that was all garbage. Forgiiiiiive me.

Sorry. Kind of a touchy subject even now for me, if you couldn't tell. But the point being, yeah, if I could do it all again, of course I wouldn't have taken such a course load! No duh, I know that NOW that that was a dumb idea and probably didn't matter much for whether I would have gotten into university or not or anything like that, I know that all now, after the fact, yeah, for all the fat good it did me. But the whole point in the first place was that I DIDN'T know that because everyone and everything around me was telling me to do that for the best shot, especially since my family didn't have any money and so academic scholarships would have been the best way of making university work if possible, and so of course that's what I did. But foooooorgive me for not being the adult in the room anyway, despite being the child. FOH.

As for the rest, doesn't matter because it's all beside my point. 8 hours for work, 8 hours for rest, 8 hours for what we will. If it applies to the workforce it should apply to students as well. Especially since especially at high school age students have other obligations outside of school regardless such as applying to university, getting scholarships for said universities, extracurriculars, etc. How much homework I had before I started taking AP classes is irrelevant because both all those other obligations, it really doesn't matter either way. Because I can tell you what, I sure what have fucking LOVED to have applied for more scholarships than I did actually so maybe, just maybe I wouldn't have $50k in debt from student loans from university, to have had some scholarship made more than a dent in that, but I didn't, because of stuff like extracurriculars and homework. And be not taking AP classes wouldn't have changed that, because I still obviously would have homework all the same and after both a day of school and workinghard on homework what I definitely would not feel like doing is writing another essay just for a chance of getting some of my bills taken care of, AP classes or not, but y'know.

Again, sorry for blowing up a bit. But as you can tell now, very, very touchy issue for me because in my case, stuff like guidance counselors, well, I had 'em, and they were part of the problem because they lead me down the wrong path and we're the ones who intentionally or otherwise put do much pressure on my shoulders in the first place and I was just trying to be the model student and meet their expectations and do what I thought I needed to to succeed because I heard over and over and over again that you needed to go to university to succeed because you make SOOOOOOOO MUCH MORE MONEY, sooooo much more, and you're just be a dirty poor forever if you don't go (not that they used those exact words obviously but that was also very obviously the message they were putting down all the same, send, well, message received), and to both get into university and have the best chance of having the costs associated with university taken care of you had to do a, b, and c, and so of course I did my best to try that stuff out because that's just what I'm supposed to do and the people telling me know best because I sure as hell don't and so it only makes sense to listen to them, right?

So nah, sayin' it's on my shoulders.... I really, really don't like that or the implications there in. Again, touchy subject and sorry for going into a huge rant over that, but yeah, just touchy subject and it just kinda surprised me and caught me off guard that someone would even ask that, really, because as you can tell, what you're getting at definitely was not my experience (and it's beside my larger point regardless so to focus on that of all things when it really doesn't matter either way really kinda set me off there).
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« Reply #49015 on: October 10, 2019, 12:29:07 AM »
Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #49016 on: October 10, 2019, 12:53:28 AM »
If you're happy with Blizzard banning people for making the ok sign and now turn around and get hurtmad that people are banned for expressing their support for HK you're a fucking moron. I'm not okay with either of these things.

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« Reply #49017 on: October 10, 2019, 01:07:30 AM »
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« Reply #49018 on: October 10, 2019, 01:10:28 AM »
I agree. I tried to be the model student in high school, taking multiple AP courses and all that because y'know from counselors, television, society in general, etc, that's what I heard universities wanted and would give me the best shot and so that's what I did.

And so I took multiple AP classes at the same time. Like AP Government, AP Composition, AP Chemistry, etc. And while individually each teacher tried not to give out too much homework even as such, no more than say 30 min-1 hour, when u have 6 different classes when you're in school that adds up to 3-6 hours each night pretty quickly. And good that's something that annoyed me so much in high school, because that refrain of teachers saying they don't give out that much was so common. Yeah, well, maybe. But you're not my only teacher, and I know you know that, but just not their problem and something that just went unsaid.

In any case, I thought I could nonetheless hack it and did my best because it's just something you had to do for the best shot at university, but I couldn't. That was all too much for me, and my grades and performance suffeeree even in stuff I enjoyed st the time like chemistry.

Especially since it's not just the homework I was worried about. Indeed, again because if university pressure, I understood how important extracurricular activities we're. And so I signed up for stuff like Quiz Bowl. And oh God, Quiz Bowl nightsm. Quiz Bowl itself was fun and I really liked it! But I also didn't actually get home until like 6:00, 6:30 PM on Quiz Bowl nights and my amount of HW was the same whether I had Quiz Bowl or not, and so Quiz Bowl nights themselves became a constant source if anxiety because I just somehow had to swuueze more into less on those nights.

And then speaking of universities, there's the applications themselves and college scholarships and all that on top of it all. And man, on that I have to say my mom was awesome because she was constantly looking for so much stuff for me, and I appreciated that so much. But at the same time, when they each wanted their own essays as part of the application process and obviously if you wanted to win with the amount of applications those things get it's not like any rush-job would cover it, with what time left over was I supposed to write all these other essays just for so much as a chance, JUST A CHANCE, of winning and the much greater probability that effort would be wasted? And so I begrudgingly ignored them because there just weren't hours in the day left for all that.

Suffice it to say that high school was a miserable experience for me, largely because of homework.

So yeah, that bring said, I agree, homework should be as close to being abolished as possible. Because I understand that each individual teacher only has a very limited time with students, but that goes two ways, and the students' free time at home is also valuable and can't be assumed to be unlimited. And indeed, because of that limited amount of time, the benefit of homework is questionable. Because if you want understand it it's probably fine. But what if you don't actually understand it,bbut just think you do? Then you're just wasting time reinforcing bad habits, but it will take until the assignment is graded and you get it back to realize that,vat which point the class has almost certainly moved on to other subjects and it's very hard to go back to that and look it over and realize what you actually did wrong so you can correct those mistakes because like all the other students you're expected to keep up with the latest material and do that now, so making the time to reach out to understand old mistakes just isn't in the cards at all, and so things can easily just snowball. And then you have the students who have limited to no parental support at all because they have bad home lives or their parents are just working 2-3 jobs and don't have time to make ends meet even if they'd likely love nothing but to have that time, and so of you have a student like that who just flat out doesn't understand the material at all, things can get bad that much faster.

That's all to say that homework is something that only even helps those most likely to succeed anyway, those students who more or less did understand the material, who have good home lives with readily accessible parental support, etc. For everyone else,it's questionable at best if not outright harmful in certain situations (as in addition to the scenarios I've outlined above, you also have people like myself, who was a straight A student who did great in school and was great at understanding material when I had proper time, but I just burned myself out trying to keep up with what I perceived to be the expectations of the universities I'd be applying to and ended up hating school as a result).

My thoughts on this are this ultimately very similar to what I feel should be worker's rights as a result. Because like most people I imagine, I've forgotten lots of what I learned in history classes over the years, just because I had no use for it even if I did find it interesting because it really is true what they say, if you don't use it, you lose it.

But anyway, the point being that one of the things I DO remember from history class for whatever reason is that one of the motor for the worker's rights movement here in the United States was "8 HOURS FOR WORK, 8 HOURS FOR REST, 8 HOURS FOR WHAT WE WILL."

And indeed, among other things, that motto was based on what was already being learned about workforce productivity at the time, that after about 40 hours of work a week productivity starts to very quickly drop off a cliff.

And well, students aren't workers obviously but they're still hunsn beings and they're still in school for about 7 hours or so each day as it is. And while that may not be much time for any individual teacher, any individual class, that's just the problem with the school model in general, that we try to pack so much into the day but spend such little time on any given thing that a lot of it is just wasted unfortunately due to focusing do much on breadth instead of depth and comprehension and understanding.

But nonetheless, regardless of how efficient or inefficient or anywhere in between, those 7 hours or so students are in class are what they are regardless. And indeed being younger and growing and all that, with large need for sleep as well especially for adolescents, well, what I'm getting at is if anything that "8 hours for work, 8 hours for rest, 8 hours for what we wil" should apply to students just as much if not more so because due to that, if not the very same, being human beings themselves, if anything their limits for truly being the most productive would be lower than the adult workforce due to all of that.

Yet, while l hear a lot about productivity to defend and if anything lower the 8 hour workday for adults and rail against stuff like forced overtime/crunch in the gaming industry for instance, it's very interesting that I almost never year the same concepts that would logically apply just as much if not more so to students, well, actually being applied to them and it's just inherently assumed that they can jack it/it's good for them or whatever and even when it comes to homework critics it's interesting that's very rarely directly part of the picture at all to me.

Be ause again, I want to make this clear, I understand that teachers themselves are under huge time constraints. But that itself is a critique of the structure if schools, how we try to squeeze so much into do little, and doesn't change what people's linirs are or how much time is already spent in schools.

And I don't know what the answer is to that, I'll be the first to admit it. But at the sane time, what I do know is that sudents already spend 7 hours or so in school as it is, and expecting them to just do more on top of that certainly isn't the answer, that's for sure, especially with other obligations and stuff once they get to the high school level anyway like extracurricular activities, college admissions essays, scholarship essays, part-time jobs, etc. I don't know what the answer is, I can admit that, but expecting students to do even more when they're already doing they're best 7 hours a day isn't it, or at least it in no way should be, IMO.

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Nope, that ain't going to fly. I was just a kid, following what society and my elders we're telling me to do. They we're telling me at all turns to do it, so of course I fucking did it. I WAS A FUCKING KID! Literally, how the fuck was I supposed to know when adults everywhere we're telling me that's just how it was, that that's what you had to do if you wanted the best shot. I was a kid, they were they adults, they were supposed to know best, I was supposed to listen, so of course that's what I did.

You sayin', despite me being a kid, I was supposed to have more wisdom and knowledge and just magically know better than the adults that were feeding me that garbage in the first place? That they aren't responsible for the garabage they were selling me, that despite them being the adults that supposedly knew how it all worked and I was indeed just the kid who knew nothing and was just listening, I was supposed to be more mature and knowledgeable and just figure out what they we're telling me was garbage and not necessary when I was the one who was new to the works and they were the ones who supposedly knew best and we're leading me in the right direction and giving me that advice at every single turn, that university is super important and if you want to not only get into university but get the best scholarships you have to do this, this, and that?

Nope, I refuse. That's not happening, that I, the high school student me, is in any conceivable fucking way am the one to blame when nah, of course I didn't know anything, that's the whole point and why I relied on messages I was getting from others so to say "isn't that you fault" when I was indeed the newbie to the world and just relying on info from my supposed betters who I trusted, but fooooooorhivr me for not being the wise elder at high school already who already magically divorce need that. Nooooooooo, it's totally my fault for trusting the people I was the last to fucking trust at every turn instead of y'know just magically knowing based on fuck-aol at the time that was all garbage. Forgiiiiiive me.

Sorry. Kind of a touchy subject even now for me, if you couldn't tell. But the point being, yeah, if I could do it all again, of course I wouldn't have taken such a course load! No duh, I know that NOW that that was a dumb idea and probably didn't matter much for whether I would have gotten into university or not or anything like that, I know that all now, after the fact, yeah, for all the fat good it did me. But the whole point in the first place was that I DIDN'T know that because everyone and everything around me was telling me to do that for the best shot, especially since my family didn't have any money and so academic scholarships would have been the best way of making university work if possible, and so of course that's what I did. But foooooorgive me for not being the adult in the room anyway, despite being the child. FOH.

As for the rest, doesn't matter because it's all beside my point. 8 hours for work, 8 hours for rest, 8 hours for what we will. If it applies to the workforce it should apply to students as well. Especially since especially at high school age students have other obligations outside of school regardless such as applying to university, getting scholarships for said universities, extracurriculars, etc. How much homework I had before I started taking AP classes is irrelevant because both all those other obligations, it really doesn't matter either way. Because I can tell you what, I sure what have fucking LOVED to have applied for more scholarships than I did actually so maybe, just maybe I wouldn't have $50k in debt from student loans from university, to have had some scholarship made more than a dent in that, but I didn't, because of stuff like extracurriculars and homework. And be not taking AP classes wouldn't have changed that, because I still obviously would have homework all the same and after both a day of school and workinghard on homework what I definitely would not feel like doing is writing another essay just for a chance of getting some of my bills taken care of, AP classes or not, but y'know.

Again, sorry for blowing up a bit. But as you can tell now, very, very touchy issue for me because in my case, stuff like guidance counselors, well, I had 'em, and they were part of the problem because they lead me down the wrong path and we're the ones who intentionally or otherwise put do much pressure on my shoulders in the first place and I was just trying to be the model student and meet their expectations and do what I thought I needed to to succeed because I heard over and over and over again that you needed to go to university to succeed because you make SOOOOOOOO MUCH MORE MONEY, sooooo much more, and you're just be a dirty poor forever if you don't go (not that they used those exact words obviously but that was also very obviously the message they were putting down all the same, send, well, message received), and to both get into university and have the best chance of having the costs associated with university taken care of you had to do a, b, and c, and so of course I did my best to try that stuff out because that's just what I'm supposed to do and the people telling me know best because I sure as hell don't and so it only makes sense to listen to them, right?

So nah, sayin' it's on my shoulders.... I really, really don't like that or the implications there in. Again, touchy subject and sorry for going into a huge rant over that, but yeah, just touchy subject and it just kinda surprised me and caught me off guard that someone would even ask that, really, because as you can tell, what you're getting at definitely was not my experience (and it's beside my larger point regardless so to focus on that of all things when it really doesn't matter either way really kinda set me off there).
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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #49019 on: October 10, 2019, 02:27:41 AM »
This is the logical outcome of years of advocacy for deplatforming by western journalists.
No, it's the logical outcome of doing business in China.

It's only a matter of time until a privatized social credit scoring system comes to the west.
This is tinfoil hat nonsense by and large, but I'll play.

What I see coming instead, somewhat serious about this, are 'incentives' for better living from insureance companies. Sign up to have your lifestyle monitored for reduced rates. Misbehave? (Smoke, sedentary, etc.) Pay more. Everyone who doesn't sign up pays more by default.

having worked for a credit information company that is already experimenting with scraping every bit of information on the internet and trying to connect it with individuals, i can tell you that you are severely misinformed.