Sorry for not being woke...but a female 007? No.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Hot or not, stop shitting up my childhood.

Discuss.

[agrajag]

what if it's a female 007, but she still hooks up with Bond girls?

 

[nachobro]

these days bond movies are just commercials for cars and booze with half a movie plot stuck in there so i can't say i care much

[Madrun Badrun]

Someday we will have a CGI gender-swapped Roger Moore play Bond and it will be great. 

[Himu]

Agree.

Yeah, it's just a code name but why? This will not be James Bond. It will be the first Bond film that doesn't star James Bond and James Bond is why we like 007.

At that point you might as well make a new franchise. Let's be honest. The new Bond will be cycled out and replaced after this. They'll likely go with another white male Bond and you'll now be without a female action star. Oops. If you start a new franchise, and it's successful, as long as you play your cards right, you can have longevity.

They very much should have made a new code name so they can do different things outside Bond tradition. Make the new series 012, starring a female spy or something, and use that as a way to further explore the organization.

But nah. Gotta make a 007 that's a woman.

I have very little interest in the prospect of this but I'll watch it and give it a chance.

I hope they know they need to hit this out of the park because there's little reason to have confidence in this.

[OnlyRegret]

bond will always be the Brosnan archetype of sorts to me, vaguely British and suave
part of it probably stems from what defines a work or character to you in a first impression

[agrajag]

can we do black lil mermaid next?

[Himu]

Agree.

Yeah, it's just a code name but why? This will not be James Bond. It will be the first Bond film that doesn't star James Bond and James Bond is why we like 007.

At that point you might as well make a new franchise. Let's be honest. The new Bond will be cycled out and replaced after this. They'll likely go with another white male Bond and you'll now be without a female action star. Oops. If you start a new franchise, and it's successful, as long as you play your cards right, you can have longevity.

They very much should have made a new code name so they can do different things outside Bond tradition. Make the new series 012, starring a female spy or something, and use that as a way to further explore the organization.

But nah. Gotta make a 007 that's a woman.

I have very little interest in the prospect of this but I'll watch it and give it a chance.

I hope they know they need to hit this out of the park because there's little reason to have confidence in this.

The movie still stars James Bond. A woman isn't taking over the role or the lead. Bond 25 is about Felix getting Bond to come out of retirement for a mission, hence why someone else would have the 007 code name at that time because it was no longer in use by Bond himself. I'm sure it will be one scene where he shows up at MI6, M calls in 007, Bond gets up but a hot black woman also gets up and he smirks and probably fucks her a scene later.

Okay that's explains it better. News articles were going around saying "first female Bond" and I was like "what."

[Madrun Badrun]

Even if that's true, there is hardly any continuity to bond movies anyways.  Like he got married once and a shark ate his friend - that's about it. 

[Himu]

can we do black lil mermaid next?

The black little mermaid thing is the best part. People are cheering their wokeness because of a black little mermaid, when it's still a Disney adaptation.

The Disney version of Little Mermaid is a bastardization that tells a story of a mermaid that sells her soul and is rewarded with the boy. The book tells the story of a mermaid that refuses to kill to get the boy and the human body she wants, sacrificing her life in the end, because of what's right. The book is a story of female empowerment. Disney's Little Mermaid is a story of placing dick on a pedastal so high it's worth selling yourself, your values, and  your soul over.

And yet you got niccas cheering about some black mermaid in what will most likely be another vapid, anti-feminist tripe to score woke points.

[Himu]

Even if that's true, there is hardly any continuity to bond movies anyways.  Like he got married once and a shark ate his friend - that's about it.

But I have no interest in a female Bond.

[Nintex]

007: "We know you are retired for real this time but we really need your help"

Bond: "Ok, I'll do this as a favor"

Q: "The Prime Minister is worried Bond, we should go see him"

007 and Bond: "THE PRIME MINISTER?"

Boris: "OH don't be a pessimist Q. We will unite the country, destroy the terrorists, take care of the nuclear bombs and do a jolly good cunt... cunning scheme to fix all this 'doomsday' talk"

Q: "Sir, what about your order to only have female special agents?"

Boris: "That order remains Q. I will not tolerate male spies that will get me in all sorts of trouble overseas, not to mention the Americans and especially Donald Trump are more likely to help us if we have a squad of female special agents. Just don't call them a 'squad' you see. Plus my soon to be new wife is bi-curious so to me there seems to be all sorts of benefits"

Q: "So what about Bond Sir?"

Boris: "Well, Bond can be the man in the shadows. Watching her back and doing all the hard work while 007 sits around being pretty like men have always done"

007: "That's horribly sexist sir"

Boris: "Oh Come On, don't tell me you never thought about being ram-shacked by some KGB bears dear. Now stop Jeremy Corbyn from killing us all."

[Himu]

All in all, I think the whole "it's _____ but this time they're black" stuff is dumb. I have zero interest in a black Flaming Torch. Let's be real, that's not the fucking Flaming Torch. What's next? Black Wolverine? Shit is stupid and unimaginative. I'm very much a "create your own shit" type person. Funnily, 007 was the only franchise I was fine with regarding this because as Madrun said, there's no continuity between Bond's anyways. Black Bond is fine because it's just a code name. But I have no interest in a female 007. My brain just flips a switch and asks,"why?"

I'm fine with a female Doctor Who though.

[Madrun Badrun]

If there's ever a female bond they'll make her his illegitimate daughter or someshit only to cast a guy again straight after so why get mad

The secret love child of Bond and May Day.  I'd totally watch that. 

[OnlyRegret]

can we do black lil mermaid next?

never was a story that was important to me, so I'd rather not feign care
but the only thing of note, is it just me or are redheads being wiped from media? ariel, that spiderman girl, trish

[nachobro]

probably cause they are fuckin gross

[Himu]

can we do black lil mermaid next?

never was a story that was important to me, so I'd rather not feign care
but the only thing of note, is it just me or are redheads being wiped from media? ariel, that spiderman girl, trish

There are black redheads. Malcolm X is a famous one.

Look guys.... we live in a multicultural, gender-fluid, racially diverse society. I need representation in my media whose aim is to convince me that fomenting coups, torturing civilians, and shaping economic interests of people who look like me is Good Actually. What we need, is an Indian trans non-binary Bond, orphaned during one of the Kashmiri conflicts, whose goal is to put down a '''''populist''''' in Brazil. Pay me. yas xween!

Is this Bond disabled too?

[Himu]

[CatsCatsCats]

Knew this would be you from the title. A lady 007 doesn’t erase your old movies, don’t like it? Don’t watch it

[Madrun Badrun]

No, Bond is in late stages of cerebral palsy and it's just 2 and a half hours of a hyper-intelligent AI operating Bonds wheelchair to do cool wheelchair fu.  Bonus points if the movie hints at the AI having PTSD.  Also, the wheelchair should have an ejection seat. 

[Madrun Badrun]

Even if that's true, there is hardly any continuity to bond movies anyways.  Like he got married once and a shark ate his friend - that's about it. 

there is continuity if you pay attention. It just doesn't matter much. Obviously continuity is a lot more explicit in the Craig series, but it's not like Moore/Dalton/Brosnan eras didn't reference Connery era stuff every movie.

Ya but outside those two events, the continuity has no plot or character relevance. 

[CatsCatsCats]

Casino Royale is the best Bond movie, show me where I’m wrong

[Nintex]

Hopefully this won't be a dumb "you are out of touch" comedy film starring Daniel Craig and some hot actress.

Bond: "Ok, get me a car"

Money penny: "A Car? HAHHA, we just use a DRONE. LOok bbzzzt bad guy dead"

Bond: "Who's that guy"

Q: "Well EXCUSE me Mr. Bond, you are having such a simple binary understanding of the world. The correct term is cis-gender and I do not believe that the person in question identifies as such"

Blofeld: "Just like FORTNITE Am I RITE MR. Bond?"

Bond: "Fortnite?"

Blofeld: "LMAO, do you see this 007, your Grandpa Bond doesn't play games! He can't hope to stop the RUSSIAN HACKERS from HACKING INTO THE COMPUTERS OF A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE in CYBERSPACE to MAKE THE MOSCOW PUPPET WIN"

[Himu]

Casino Royale is the best Bond movie, show me where I’m wrong

It is.

Which is precisely why a lady Bond probably wouldn't work.

Most of her targets will likely be men.



You're going to have to believe she can take a target as brutal as Craig? In order for that to work she'd have to more crafty. You wouldn't have fights like that.

A big reason Fast movies work is that they're ensembles. But Bond isn't an ensemble.

Lady Bond?



Why?

[OnlyRegret]

Hopefully this won't be a dumb "you are out of touch" comedy film starring Daniel Craig and some hot actress.

Bond: "Ok, get me a car"

Money penny: "A Car? HAHHA, we just use a DRONE. LOok bbzzzt bad guy dead"

Bond: "Who's that guy"

Q: "Well EXCUSE me Mr. Bond, you are having such a simple binary understanding of the world. The correct term is cis-gender and I do not believe that the person in question identifies as such"

Blofeld: "Just like FORTNITE Am I RITE MR. Bond?"

Bond: "Fortnite?"

Blofeld: "LMAO, do you see this 007, your Grandpa Bond doesn't play games! He can't hope to stop the RUSSIAN HACKERS from HACKING INTO THE COMPUTERS OF A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE in CYBERSPACE to MAKE THE MOSCOW PUPPET WIN"

god, I hope you never get paid to write content

[eleuin]

I'm glad a woman can be the sti carrier this time

[Madrun Badrun]

Casino Royale is the best Bond movie, show me where I’m wrong

CR is one of the worst offenders of janky fast cut action scenes of the 00's.  And honestly, I'd rather just watch Bourne.

[agrajag]

if you read that Nintex shit you a sucka

[Madrun Badrun]

Ya I'm not arguing that, it's just none of that is in any way relevant to any of the plots or character development.  They are one-off stories.  Like episodes of a sitcom, by the end, the universe goes back to how it was before the episode began.   

[Kara]

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[CatsCatsCats]

Casino Royale is the best Bond movie, show me where I’m wrong

It is.

Which is precisely why a lady Bond probably wouldn't work.

Most of her targets will likely be men.



You're going to have to believe she can take a target as brutal as Craig? In order for that to work she'd have to more crafty. You wouldn't have fights like that.

A big reason Fast movies work is that they're ensembles. But Bond isn't an ensemble.

Lady Bond?



Why?

I see no reason a compelling story couldn’t be crafted with a female bond. Swap out Craig with a woman and do the same movie? Of course not. Write a new story for a female 007? Why not?

[Uncle]

I see no reason a compelling story couldn’t be crafted with a female bond. Swap out Craig with a woman and do the same movie? Of course not. Write a new story for a female 007? Why not?

Q gives her some knife lipstick and a chaff scrambler tampon that goes off when you pull the string

[Uncle]

they tell her there's this real bad supervillain gonna do bad things and send her on this mission and she gradually uncovers that the whole thing has been a patronizing fake case to keep her occupied because nobody thought she would be able to do the job as a WOMAN she was just a diversity hire so they designed an elaborate plot and left clues all over so they could pat her on the head and say "good job you get a star" and she gets filled with rage and smashes the british patriarchy

[SmokyDave]

Eh, they’re just films, why not? I used to be more understanding of people that held to certain images of characters rigidly, but at some point I just decided I personally didn’t care. It’s a bit like music; borrowing, mixing and swapping shit up keeps things fresh. If it doesn’t work out, go back to the classics.

That said, this lady 007 will be a bait-and-switch that leaves everyone angry. And by angry I mean delighted that they can yell at strangers on the internet that disagree with their flavour of angry.

[nachobro]

I get unreasonably annoyed

yeah, we know

[Kara]

I'm making a Kickstarter for Tyler Perry's Casino Royale

celebrating imperial agents of color in masscult

celebrating aspirational families of color in masscult

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Tyler Perry is literally a cop in Madea's Witness Protection.

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He also played Alex Cross in an attempted reboot of the Alex Cross movies where he hunted down Matthew Fox rocking a banging bikini bod.

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[MMaRsu]

I mean is a man a cooler spy or a woman

probably a man

[curly]

I accept your apology.  None of us are perfect and we are all striving to be better.

[VomKriege]

A woman sporting an obscenely big Omega would be pretty ballin'.
I mean why not ? I think it would be kind of cringe because Bond is so formulaic it would feel like low grade parody and forced to mirror every bit for it and the sort of sex dynamics Bond espouses really can't just be swapped 1:1 IMHO (It's a bit more complicated than just making her a vamp : Nikita by Besson doesn't feel like a Bond movie at all).

Has a better chance to be pulled off as an Austin Powers / Bourne thing IMHO.

[Uncle]

sorry for not being woke but I just don't understand people who eat saltine crackers with ice cream, it doesn't make any fucking sense

[ToxicAdam]

Garbage-tier movie franchise.

Terrible action in these movies, mostly terrible villains, contrived plots filled with macguffins. Gorgeous cinematography though, can't deny that.

[HardcoreRetro]

No One Lives Forever: The Movie.

Count me in.

[Madrun Badrun]

Ya I'm not arguing that, it's just none of that is in any way relevant to any of the plots or character development.  They are one-off stories.  Like episodes of a sitcom, by the end, the universe goes back to how it was before the episode began.   

I get unreasonably annoyed when people talk about the Craig era being a "shared universe" after the SPECTRE twist. It's no more of a shared universe than any other era was, continuity just matters more these days. It's not a shared universe when all the movies are about one character and there isn't any crossover

I didn't mean it like a shared universe.  I meant the status quo.

[Madrun Badrun]

Garbage-tier movie franchise.

Terrible action in these movies, mostly terrible villains, contrived plots filled with macguffins. Gorgeous cinematography though, can't deny that.

This but its good.   And the people who think that CR was the best bond just don't get it.  Bond should be more like fast and furious than a serious drama. 

[jakefromstatefarm]

[Great Rumbler]

Casino Royale is the best Bond movie, show me where I’m wrong

It is.

Which is precisely why a lady Bond probably wouldn't work.

Most of her targets will likely be men.



You're going to have to believe she can take a target as brutal as Craig? In order for that to work she'd have to more crafty. You wouldn't have fights like that.

A big reason Fast movies work is that they're ensembles. But Bond isn't an ensemble.

Lady Bond?



Why?

Steven Soderbergh already made a gender-swapped Daniel Craig James Bond movie [Haywire] and it was pretty great.

[Himu]

Casino Royale is the best Bond movie, show me where I’m wrong

It is.

Which is precisely why a lady Bond probably wouldn't work.

Most of her targets will likely be men.



You're going to have to believe she can take a target as brutal as Craig? In order for that to work she'd have to more crafty. You wouldn't have fights like that.

A big reason Fast movies work is that they're ensembles. But Bond isn't an ensemble.

Lady Bond?



Why?

I see no reason a compelling story couldn’t be crafted with a female bond. Swap out Craig with a woman and do the same movie? Of course not. Write a new story for a female 007? Why not?

A woman doing the things Craig does to villains? In those highly physical boxing matches that involve punching through tiled bathroom walls? At the end of the day they’re just movies but they couldn’t make them as violent or physical as Casino Royale. Something like John Wick it works because those movies have a more light tone. But something like Casino Royale which is self serious? They’d have to change the tone greatly. Which wouldn’t be beneath 007 as Moore Bond is different from Connery Bond. It’d probably have to be more in line with Indiana Jones in tone, which was inspired by Bond, than the dark grisly, highly masculine Casino Royale Craig Bond. Given that Casino Royale is my favorite Bond film, that’s kind of the standard I expect. I simply don’t see how a woman can portray that kind of masculine ferociousness of Craig and have it believable.

[Joe Molotov]

Who cares, James Bond sucks.

[benjipwns]

Casino Royale is the best Bond movie, show me where I’m wrong

you mean the 1967 version right?

[Steve Contra]

Who cares, James Bond sucks.

It's really telling that the best thing to come out of a 50 year old movie franchise was a n64 game.

[Great Rumbler]

[benjipwns]

No One Lives Forever: The Movie.

Count me in.

Yeah, I'd often rather something like this than a lot of these almost random gender swap ideas for franchises. There's almost already a franchise out there (or two, Perfect Dark) that you could have a lot of fun with. Hell, Kingsmen already has really ran with a lot of the whole "Bond, but in reality" absurdity that a NOLF movie could certainly mine and add sexuality/gender satire to it. So it's not some wild concept that has to be more like Austin Powers even.

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Cate Archer > Joanna Dark.

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Or three, Tara Chace of Queen & Country.

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[VomKriege]

Casino Royale is the best Bond movie, show me where I’m wrong

you mean the 1967 version right?

The 1967 movie is really bad but I never really cared for this style of star-bonanza, pretty loosely tied comedies. There's some good bits but it's drowning in boring material.
I never understood the hard on for Craig's Casino Royale though.

[benjipwns]

the part where he's smashing her into the vases is hilariously bad at hiding the stunts, they should have tried shooting that again

[VomKriege]

No One Lives Forever: The Movie.

Count me in.

Yeah, I'd often rather something like this than a lot of these almost random gender swap ideas for franchises. There's almost already a franchise out there (or two, Perfect Dark) that you could have a lot of fun with. Hell, Kingsmen already has really ran with a lot of the whole "Bond, but in reality" absurdity that a NOLF movie could certainly mine and add sexuality/gender satire to it. So it's not some wild concept that has to be more like Austin Powers even.

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Cate Archer > Joanna Dark.

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Or three, Tara Chace of Queen & Country.

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Queen & Country is really good but it's a lot more pseudo realistic spy fiction (or more "procedural" / Ghost in the Shell) than the complete assumed fantasy Bond has been since the third film or so.

[Trent Dole]

This thread here? This is why a female 007. If they made some new franchise ala La Femme Nikita or whatever nobody'd give a fuck. But a lady 007? Well you'll get the chuds mindlessly bitching and the virtue signalers doing the same with praise. 007 movies are all the same movie, there's 26 of them already, we don't need more with a man a woman a trans a nb or anyone leading.

[benjipwns]

The 1967 movie is really bad but I never really cared for this style of star-bonanza, pretty loosely tied comedies. There's some good bits but it's drowning in boring material.

It's that because the film fell apart as they were writing/shooting it and they kinda ran with it, five different people are credited as directors and it's been suggested that possibly 20 people in total wrote parts of the script they shot and a few more people than credited did actual on-set directing including many actors doing their own scenes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_(1967_film)#Production

I never understood the hard on for Craig's Casino Royale though.

Because people forget the movie keeps going after the game is over.

[VomKriege]

Oh wow Bond does parkour. He has feelings too. And mommy issues, so original ! Best movie ever ! 

[Himu]

He’s beating the absolute crap out of her. Movies are fantasy but when I see a normal sized man punching the fuck out of a normal sized woman’s skull like that my natural suspense of belief just gets kicked in the ass and I don’t expect her to get up. Women can absolutely beat up men but when it’s as violently charged as that or Casino Royale? The movie magic fails. Good job locking the triangle though.

[Kara]

Queen & Country--and I stress that I am NOT embellishing here at all--takes plots from television's The Sandbaggers and literally gender / minority swaps the characters. It's one of the most creatively bankrupt comics ever made and that's a medium rife with bankruptcy.