Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[Transhuman]

Pratt hasn't done anything or said anything but he has private views that I may not like so I don't think he deserves to be an actor

[BikeJesus]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mitch-mcconnell-has-visibly-strange-skin-discoloration-going-on.310762/


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[thisismyusername]

Chris Pratt lost a marry fuck kill poll on twitter and the girls mobilized to defend him lmao. Anyways he sucks and you don’t just coincidentally follow 3 LAPD accounts, tucker carlson, ben shabino, dan Crenshaw, etc. Wear don’t tread on me tshirts, go to an anti gay church, etc. He’s a piece of shit and I bet all those twitter releases had been written ahead of time for when eventually people found that shit out

hes cute tho so its ok

Yes.meme

That said, his conservative "come to Jesus" bullshit is insufferable, so I'm with Superman on that.

[paprikastaude]

Chris Pratt lost a marry fuck kill poll on twitter and the girls mobilized to defend him lmao. Anyways he sucks and you don’t just coincidentally follow 3 LAPD accounts, tucker carlson, ben shabino, dan Crenshaw, etc. Wear don’t tread on me tshirts, go to an anti gay church, etc. He’s a piece of shit and I bet all those twitter releases had been written ahead of time for when eventually people found that shit out

How did this go beyond Disney? Aren't they allies?

[Snoopycat_]

Fuck out of here with this “poor me” bullshit.
 

she’s the special kind of stupid that says shit like “we are all stardust”.

fuck that cosplayer.

An entire thread of angry, bitter men shouting abuse at some woman who dared to dress up as a video game character.

So progressive.

[Thirty-Ought-Six]

Pratt hasn't done anything or said anything but he has private views that I may not like so I don't think he deserves to be an actor

He did respond to some of the church stuff.

"I go to a church that opens their doors to absolutely everyone."

“My faith is important to me but no church defines me or my life, and I am not a spokesman for any church or group of people. My values define who I am. We need less hate in this world, not more. I am a man who believes that everyone is entitled to love who they want free from the judgement of their fellow man"

I didn't find anything about his stance on legal gay marriage. It's nice to say everyone is entitled to love who they want free from the judgement of their fellow man, but it means nothing if you also want to make it illegal for them to have marriage recognized by the state.

[Transhuman]

I hate religion and by extension the religious, but I don't believe in pillorying people either. People should have the right to be wrong, especially if they shut the fuck about it.

[FUME5]

Fuck out of here with this “poor me” bullshit.
 

she’s the special kind of stupid that says shit like “we are all stardust”.

fuck that cosplayer.

An entire thread of angry, bitter men shouting abuse at some woman who dared to dress up as a video game character.

So progressive.

I mean, you're not wrong.

Also, fuck Hillsong.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/b-sh-piro’s-wet-ass-p-word-pratt.310135/page-9#post-49062916

I gotta tweet this at him.
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Now I don’t use the word hero often, but… 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

When the people on twitter defending you are using "snowflake" to describe your detractors, that would be a pretty good sign to me that I fucked up.

Let's just pretend era doesn't regularly use this exact rhetoric for the exact same reasons of dismissing criticism of needlessly antagonistic or hostile behaviours I guess

You know if you really think about it, she's the real victim here, not the group that is caricaturized, demeaned and ridiculed by garbage like this. You know, the people who get to deal with this disdain pretty much every waking hour.

Ugh. I don't know why but I was sort of expecting she'd have some sort of realization that portrayals like that are incredibly harmful, but instead it's the standard "dig in and double down" approach. I really ought to know better by now.

How the fuck is she not a victim of harrassment?
Unless she is actively harrassing trans people, the fact that trans people get harrassed isn't any kind of fucking moral justification to harrass somebody else for - and let's be crystal fucking clear here - cosplaying a fictional character from a videogame.

Because look at "heavily moderated" forum resetera, and then extrapolate out to "not fucking moderated at all" Twitter:

I can’t help but laugh that she’s the special kind of stupid that says shit like “we are all stardust”.

Simple, it’s not her reality and she can’t be bothered to develop empathy and has instead decided to double-down on her initial feeling of being attacked for her dumb toxic cosplay.

(fucking spiderman.jpeg btw)

Yeah, fuck this game and fuck that cosplayer.

As I said in my response on Twitter: Wow, that might be one of the worst responses she could have possibly given!

What a piece of garbage.

Well, if you had any doubts that she (the cosplayer) was just dumb and/or mean-spirited about the whole affair, there it is.

lmfao get fucked transphobe. so sick of this shit.

Deleted my gog account. Won’t be buying anything else from there. I’ll just watch a let’s play of cyberpunk if I care in a year. Not interested in bullshit companies promoting bullshit people

Ughhhh fuck off.

Fuck off.

Shut the fuck up TERF

Fucking hell. What's with transphobes and TERFs doubling down?

Do fuck off.

They want to be victims so much, can't even hear it anymore.

YOU FUCKING CAME IN SWINGING AT HER JFC

Seems pretty clear this person is being deliberately antagonistic and obstinate.

Fuck out of here with this “poor me” bullshit.

Yeah way to diminish violence on the trans community by making it about yourself and whataboutisms lady.

THE 'WHATABOUTISMS' IS BRINGING UP 'VIOLENCE' ON 'THE TRANS COMMUNITY' TO JUSTIFY ONLINE HARRASSMENT, WTF

How is someone still using this kind of response? They clearly are ignorant as fuck, but how come anyone close to her hasn't told her how dumb this whole attitude is.?

Oh fuck off into space.

Fuck her and fuck CDPR.

Someone legit made a Twitter account today after seeing this thread so he could find me on Twitter and yell slurs at me.

It's both creepy and pathetic.

Unlike someone who legit made an era thread after seeing a twitter post so he could rally extra troops to yell slurs at her?



Like... how the fuck is this sample reaction even remotely proportionate to the 'crime' of "dressed up as fictional character from videogame"?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

But we're the snowflakes. Lmao.

People having complete meltdowns about how other people are “offended” is like my guilty pleasure lol.

               Good Faith posting of genuinely held opinion?
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[nudemacusers]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/biden-says-hell-create-a-bipartisan-commission-to-recommend-changes-to-scotus-if-elected.310978/

Watch this space for neolibs to tell us all how 100D political chess it is for Biden to plainly state he’s the person he has always been. 

[Averon]

ResetERA now openly attacking the gaming press (except for Jason Schrier, of course)
ResetERA openly harassing a woman online

These tactics sound suspiciously like... GamerGate!!!!!

Surely ERA haven't fallen so low as to adopt GG tactics, right?
Going by their own standards, that sure looks like it is the case. Not a good look 

[Hermit]

Red Dead 2 was cracked. The thread immediately turns into posters calling the cracker a transphobe.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-unthinkable-happened-red-dead-redemption-2-has-finally-been-cracked-one-year-after-its-pc-release.311008/

Also this gem:

[Pissy F Benny]

isn't it kind of fucked up to see that some dumb biaaaatch hacked some shit and then assume that they must be trans

[Joe Molotov]

dumb cracker-ass-cracker biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch

[HaughtyFrank]

Red Dead 2 was cracked. The thread immediately turns into posters calling the cracker a transphobe.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-unthinkable-happened-red-dead-redemption-2-has-finally-been-cracked-one-year-after-its-pc-release.311008/

Also this gem:
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They're always at people's fucking throats if they're not up to date with the language. Strangely they whole "trans women are women" concept is forgotten about when a woman dares to cosplay a trans woman

[BIONIC]

isn't it kind of fucked up to see that some dumb biaaaatch hacked some shit and then assume that they must be trans

Internalized misogyny thinking that the only women who like videogames online are trans 

[Averon]

Red Dead 2 was cracked. The thread immediately turns into posters calling the cracker a transphobe.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-unthinkable-happened-red-dead-redemption-2-has-finally-been-cracked-one-year-after-its-pc-release.311008/

Also this gem:
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They're always at people's fucking throats if they're not up to date with the language. Strangely they whole "trans women are women" concept is forgotten about when a woman dares to cosplay a trans woman

You must always be up-to-date on whatever bullshit they are in to in that week or you're the worst piece of shit imaginable in their eyes. Even they don't believe they themselves are that clued in on their own bullshit. I would say at least half of them are just going with the flow of the conversation that is dominated by more prominent members like Kyuuji, Messeo, etc...In other words, a lot of performative ego stroking.

[venereology]

Surely ERA haven't fallen so low as to adopt GG tactics, right?

[Ghoul]

who the fuck doesn't know what a cracker is? I refuse to believe that people on an online gaming forum don't understand what that is.... Good lord.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I would say at least half of them are just going with the flow of the conversation that is dominated by more prominent members like Kyuuji, Messeo, etc...In other words, a lot of performative ego stroking.

After Kyuuji outright stating that they get a kick out of making people mad by pretending to be concerned about things, I'm like... 90% sure now (given the only 'activism' they've done is shitting up Harry Potter and Cyberpunk threads and their mysterious lack of knowledge on issues that would directly affect them if they are who they claim to be) they're just straight trolling.

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

At this point it is easier to list what or who ISN'T transphobic

[wsippel]

So, regarding the Cyberpunk thing... I don't know about you guys, but my dick isn't glowing. Which means the dick in the ad is probably a cybernetic implant (which makes a lot more sense in context than a transsexual, really). So isn't it far more likely that the model depicted is supposed to be a plain old XX female who's really into pegging or something?

[thetylerrob]

Congratulations to Rockstar and 2K games for going so long without being cracked. That's really impressive.

Congrats to Multi-Billion Dollar Corporation for protecting their wealth! I'm so proud of them! Human conversational topics!!!

[Clockwork5]

https://www.twitter.com/GameRant/status/1319069729831768064

Fucking Gross man.

It better fucking not.
Jesus fucking christ.
When dies it end?

So... toilets are confirmed in this game then.

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Yeah, this “rumor” is based on a big nothing tweet from Dr. D saying “we have big things planned” but RE don’t care.

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[Clockwork5]

So, regarding the Cyberpunk thing... I don't know about you guys, but my dick isn't glowing. Which means the dick in the ad is probably a cybernetic implant (which makes a lot more sense in context than a transsexual, really). So isn't it far more likely that the model depicted is supposed to be a plain old XX female who's really into pegging or something?

User warned: Just asking questions. Next time google “trans-fetishization.” You know you want to. (Put your browser in private mode first.)

[Hermit]

Don't give a shit about Dr. Dis, but would love to see him added to watch an extended meltdown

 

[pgtl_10]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-unthinkable-happened-red-dead-redemption-2-has-finally-been-cracked-one-year-after-its-pc-release.311008/post-49139251

That is genuinely surprising.

She's cis, not trans. That says nothing about whether someone is a man, woman, or neither.

Calling yourself a woman is not proof that you are a woman 

[Nintex]

Hey I guys I found Super Mario Bros. on this old PSP cool huh

We finally broke Rockstars DRM!

Thank god!

It was a woman

TERF!!!!

[remy]

the low key misogyny of assuming any technically minded woman is yrans 

[VomKriege]

Public transphobiation.

[Transhuman]

the low key misogyny of assuming any technically minded woman is yrans 

https://www.reddit.com/user/0xEMPRESS

Harrassing women out of tech

[paprikastaude]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/how-do-you-feel-about-highbrow-waifu-games-genshin-impact-nier-etc.311371/page-3#post-49197118

This poll did not go AT ALL like I thought it would. I tried to make the poll answers a little biased but wow, I feel like Hillary in 2016. You might have a majority but not a mandate

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It’s creepy.

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[brawndolicious]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/how-do-you-feel-about-highbrow-waifu-games-genshin-impact-nier-etc.311371/page-3#post-49197118

This poll did not go AT ALL like I thought it would. I tried to make the poll answers a little biased but wow, I feel like Hillary in 2016. You might have a majority but not a mandate

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It’s creepy.

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I'll be honest, the discussion in that thread has gone better and worse than I could have imagined. Way too many posters arguing what highbrow means but the results are definitely interesting with the plurality going to the waifu fans but the majority saying they don't like it.

It's also funny how everyone is super polarized on how they feel about waifuness. It's good that there's not a lot of fence sitters.

[Momo]

So, regarding the Cyberpunk thing... I don't know about you guys, but my dick isn't glowing. Which means the dick in the ad is probably a cybernetic implant (which makes a lot more sense in context than a transsexual, really). So isn't it far more likely that the model depicted is supposed to be a plain old XX female who's really into pegging or something?

The artist confirmed she was transsexual.


Fuck the cosplayer and fuck the people harassing her. Both trash.

[Transhuman]

I think it comes down to whether the ad is a parody or not. I always saw it as an in-universe example of how progressive and "cyberpunk" future was in regards to sex/gender/bodies, and not the same as the parody advertising in GTA that's clearly meant to be a joke like "Ogay".

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I can understand how GTA has poisoned the well and made people see it as just a crass "that chick has a dick" joke.

[Clockwork5]

I think it comes down to whether the ad is a parody or not. I always saw it as an in-universe example of how progressive and "cyberpunk" future was in regards to sex/gender/bodies, and not the same as the parody advertising in GTA that's clearly meant to be a joke like "Ogay".

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I can understand how GTA has poisoned the well and made people see it as just a crass "that chick has a dick" joke.

I agree 100% that it doesn’t seem to be mocking the trans community. But In reality there is, as of yet, near zero context for the ad so I dont know. As much as I enjoy sharing a giggle with y’all watching the meltdowns over there, I have learned over the past several years of paying attention to actual LGBT activists that there doesn’t need to be malice or fun poking in order to genuinely offend. I would be interested to see some genuine, non-performative, reactions from trans people to some of the marketing for this game. In all honesty the examples of “trans people are normalized in this world” do seem kinda lazy. Like the voice tied to gender.

Am I personally offended or do I consider any of it transphobic? No. But I’m not trans so I’m not sure my opinion on any of this is very valuable.

[jorma]

So, regarding the Cyberpunk thing... I don't know about you guys, but my dick isn't glowing. Which means the dick in the ad is probably a cybernetic implant (which makes a lot more sense in context than a transsexual, really). So isn't it far more likely that the model depicted is supposed to be a plain old XX female who's really into pegging or something?

The artist confirmed she was transsexual.


Fuck the cosplayer and fuck the people harassing her. Both trash.

wait what did the cosplayer do? cosplaying with a cock even tho she has a vag? is that dickface?

[Yulwei]

How dare that woman put a dick between her legs? it's me i'm the progressive who believes in the essentialism of genitals

[benjipwns]

I agree 100% that it doesn’t seem to be mocking the trans community. But In reality there is, as of yet, near zero context for the ad so I dont know.

Sounds like you're choosing to believe the privileged TERF/Nazi artist:

"You'll notice many advertisements - for anything, a table, chair, a roof tile - slap a random sexy person on top and say 'hey, buy this'. This shows the sexploitation of those people, and many of our advertisements feature this sexualisation. We sexualise men, women, and people in between, all to show how terrible this is.

"With our advertisements, we want to say something. For instance, there's an advert for a fashion shop with the Colosseum - this beautiful piece of architecture - which has been taken over and turned into a marketplace. It's art destroyed for consumerism's sake. We have more examples here [in Cyberpunk's E3 2019 booth]."

Redesiuk and I are standing next to a poster which says 'three mouths, one desire'. It's a nod to Total Recall's 'I wish I had three hands' scene, she says, but also an example of the grotesque sex movies available in Cyberpunk 2077's world.

"So yes, we have a person with both breasts and a penis on an advertisement, done on purpose, because it's terrible to exploit people's bodies like this," Redesiuk continues.

The poster in question is an advert for Chromanticore, a regular cola, one of many fictional drink brands in the game.

"We thought this would be a brand which would slap a body on the advert and think nothing of it. It's a terrible thing to say 'mix it up' [the poster's tagline]. We're emulating what a company would say in Cyberpunk 2077."

"It was meant to make people feel uncomfortable," Redesiuk concludes. "Not because they're seeing someone with breasts and a penis, but because the body is being exploited. I didn't slap the penis there for people to laugh about it. There is a beautiful body there being used to sell soda."

[VomKriege]

How dare that woman put a dick between her legs?

How dare she ! 

[benjipwns]

I wonder if it might help to raise these issues to influential elected officials like Ocasio-Cortez. She has been actively involved with gamers before, and cares for the LGBTQ community and issues. If more awareness could be raised there, I think it may help raise awareness abroad. Failing real change, provided the senate and presidency flips, they might be willing to place sanctions on Poland until they relent.

[jorma]

I wonder if it might help to raise these issues to influential elected officials like Ocasio-Cortez. She has been actively involved with gamers before, and cares for the LGBTQ community and issues. If more awareness could be raised there, I think it may help raise awareness abroad. Failing real change, provided the senate and presidency flips, they might be willing to place sanctions on Poland until they relent.

[Ghoul]

sanctions on a country over a fucking video game? Holy fuck.

[Nintex]

sanctions on a country over a fucking video game? Holy fuck.

W A R

Poles are just a bunch of Trump loving Cyberpunk playing TERFS!!!

And that folks is why you don't want any of these people even close to holding any sort of political power 

[bork]

sanctions on a country over a fucking video game? Holy fuck.

[Pissy F Benny]

That has to be someone fucking around

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-29#post-49154824

I wonder if it might help to raise these issues to influential elected officials like Ocasio-Cortez. She has been actively involved with gamers before, and cares for the LGBTQ community and issues. If more awareness could be raised there, I think it may help raise awareness abroad. Failing real change, provided the senate and presidency flips, they might be willing to place sanctions on Poland until they relent.

I don't think putting this on the US government to deal with is the solution, here. This is something that affects trans people all over the world, and it's up to CDPR and its project leads to change -- which they don't seem willing to.

It doesn't have to be the US Government. I'm from there, and was giving a hypothetical where I saw some progress might be made. I'll sign petitions and speak out, but I think pressure from government may help too. We live in an international community now. Sanctions can have a big impact on countries.

Beyond CDPR, if Poland is forcing LGBTQ people out of their communities, they are violating human rights, and something should be done.

Or maybe we can reach out to the ESRB to tag all games with Transphobia as AO.

 

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-29#post-49231459

Regarding the expectations of what Cyberpunk as a game should or shouldn't be that EatChildren brings up.

I understand that kind of viewpoint, but it is missing the cultural context the game is made in and the contemporary audience it is being presented to.

If you take on a project within the vague genre of "distopian-setting" with the addition of Cyber-* then you will have to be judged on the cultural values that these already carry.
The original tabletop is only a small part of it, and probably overshadowed by things like Blade Runner, Neuromancer, RoboCop, etc. - merely because they have a more visible cultural value (not meaning they are more or less important, just more visible).

CDPR has, in itself, a gigantic cultural reach.
Their interpretation of the Witcher has a bigger exposure than the novels it is based upon.
Depending on how successful the Netflix series will be, it might be overtaken by that in terms of cultural visibility (watch out for the backlash of gamers wanting it to be more true to the games due to a mismatch of cultural expectations).

This means for the contemporary audience the CDPR version of Cyberpunk 2077 is the only cultural representation of CP2077.
But as it is released to an already existing cultural expectation of what "distopian fiction" is with the additional modifier of Cyber-*, that is the basis on what this cultural artefact has to be judged on.

Games have such a reach, they cannot hide behind their own standards anymore. They have a cultural impact - so any addition to the library of games will have to be measured by the standard of our entire cultural knowledge.
Especially if you use a title that already come with cultural values.
(Also completely disregarding Punk here, as that's a whole other discussion).

On top of that: look at 2020. It's a real fucking mess we've built towards over decades of structural oppression, passive-aggressive negligence and backward-looking planning of the future.

Of course we all should be looking at what Cyberpunk 2077 presents itself as and scrutinise it with the entirety of our contemporary reality.

If it weren't for CDPR having such a massive reach, that scrutiny would just make it as relevant as "Postal".
Unfortunately that is not the case and their cultural output is doing actual harm to progressive real-world movements.

(Which is also why I think generalising people who look forward to playing it is absolutely fair game.)

[Ghoul]

lmao, can't wait for that weirdo to get arrested at a best buy for putting "this game is transphobic" on cyberpunk boxes.

[Pissy F Benny]

[Hermit]

Cyberpunk is going to brainwash the masses and will ultimately cause mass killing of trans folx

[VomKriege]

The Dantzig Corridor was a glowing dick all along.

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

Maybe if Biden wins we can get him to go to war against Poland over cyberpunk 2077

[Nintex]

[Yulwei]

 

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[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

It does really drive home the point home when even the actors voicing the lines sound like they are internally laughing at them. I really don't understand what it is with Netflix and sex scenes in general. There seem to be so many of them in their animated series lately and just... none of the ones I have seen make the least bit of sense in the context they're presented. It's just... the most awkward and weirdest shit, often in the middle of important scenes. It's made even worse when they're constantly jump cutting between them and other scenes that are happening simultaenously, like they couldn't make up their mind about the story they wanted to tell.

and goshdarn it, what's with all the bad language too? Why can't we have more wholesome shows instead of all this pottymouthed fornication?

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-29#post-49231459

Regarding the expectations of what Cyberpunk as a game should or shouldn't be that EatChildren brings up.

I understand that kind of viewpoint, but it is missing the cultural context the game is made in and the contemporary audience it is being presented to.

If you take on a project within the vague genre of "distopian-setting" with the addition of Cyber-* then you will have to be judged on the cultural values that these already carry.
The original tabletop is only a small part of it, and probably overshadowed by things like Blade Runner, Neuromancer, RoboCop, etc. - merely because they have a more visible cultural value (not meaning they are more or less important, just more visible).

CDPR has, in itself, a gigantic cultural reach.
Their interpretation of the Witcher has a bigger exposure than the novels it is based upon.
Depending on how successful the Netflix series will be, it might be overtaken by that in terms of cultural visibility (watch out for the backlash of gamers wanting it to be more true to the games due to a mismatch of cultural expectations).

This means for the contemporary audience the CDPR version of Cyberpunk 2077 is the only cultural representation of CP2077.
But as it is released to an already existing cultural expectation of what "distopian fiction" is with the additional modifier of Cyber-*, that is the basis on what this cultural artefact has to be judged on.

Games have such a reach, they cannot hide behind their own standards anymore. They have a cultural impact - so any addition to the library of games will have to be measured by the standard of our entire cultural knowledge.
Especially if you use a title that already come with cultural values.
(Also completely disregarding Punk here, as that's a whole other discussion).

On top of that: look at 2020. It's a real fucking mess we've built towards over decades of structural oppression, passive-aggressive negligence and backward-looking planning of the future.

Of course we all should be looking at what Cyberpunk 2077 presents itself as and scrutinise it with the entirety of our contemporary reality.

If it weren't for CDPR having such a massive reach, that scrutiny would just make it as relevant as "Postal".
Unfortunately that is not the case and their cultural output is doing actual harm to progressive real-world movements.

(Which is also why I think generalising people who look forward to playing it is absolutely fair game.)

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Those are a lot of words for saying absolutely nothing.

But as it is released to an already existing cultural expectation of what "distopian fiction" is with the additional modifier of Cyber-*, that is the basis on what this cultural artefact has to be judged on.

 

[Pissy F Benny]

It does really drive home the point home when even the actors voicing the lines sound like they are internally laughing at them. I really don't understand what it is with Netflix and sex scenes in general. There seem to be so many of them in their animated series lately and just... none of the ones I have seen make the least bit of sense in the context they're presented. It's just... the most awkward and weirdest shit, often in the middle of important scenes. It's made even worse when they're constantly jump cutting between them and other scenes that are happening simultaenously, like they couldn't make up their mind about the story they wanted to tell.

and goshdarn it, what's with all the bad language too? Why can't we have more wholesome shows instead of all this pottymouthed fornication?

They should try watching a hbo programme