Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[HaughtyFrank]

So this man should be tortured for exposing American war crimes because racist Americans voted for Trump?

Are we forgetting that this guy is responsible for releasing DNC emails. Again unrelated charges but I personally believe that this white supremacist deserves punishment.

lmao never change neoliberals

Blowing up civilians? Who gives a shit

DNC emails? Hang this guy by his entrails!

[nudemacusers]

wired: double tapping brown ppl on foreign soil

tired: posting dnc emails and making hillary lose

[Uncle]

today: famous cosplayer dies of covid with additional complications due to his weight



also today:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cringetopia/comments/kq0ch3/300000_deaths_each_year_in_the_us_attributed_to/

300,000 deaths each year in the US attributed to obesity, but sure: give it your best try

[Uncle]

jason schreier got mentioned by the BBC 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55515243

A dad in the US who boasted about his parenting skills after telling his hungry nine-year-old daughter to open a tin of beans or go without food has caused outcry on social media.

"I feel like it's super valuable to teach kids that they're not alone in the world and that there's no shame in asking other people for help and support," wrote journalist Jason Schreier.

[HaughtyFrank]

Why the fuck would you quote Schreier for this 

Pretty sure he doesn't even have kids

[thetylerrob]

Why the fuck would you quote Schreier for this 

"Journalism" twitter
 

[Transhuman]

"He let her starve"

First world people am I right. They probably think the stanford marshmallow experiment is child abuse.

[Nintex]

Only in the UK can raw beans from a tin can be classified as a 'meal'
I see his daughter is fully educated in English cuisine.

[jorma]

"He let her starve"

First world people am I right. They probably think the stanford marshmallow experiment is child abuse.

What they think about that experiment probably depends entirely on whether the professor in charge was a democrat or a republican...

[Switters]

a special forum for only the most fragile threads, y'know, good on them for doing what they can to protect people with serious issues who feel especially vulnerable



and then also putting mental health era in there too

I opened that link and saw that the creator of The Mental Health OT was banned so I killed myself.

[headwalk]

Why the fuck would you quote Schreier for this 

Pretty sure he doesn't even have kids

due to watchful parents.

[Rufus]

Why the fuck would you quote Schreier for this 

Pretty sure he doesn't even have kids

He has a daughter.

[Uncle]

a racist daughter 

[Straight Edge]

Is it his wife’s boyfriend’s kid?

[EightBitNate]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/palestinians-excluded-from-israeli-covid-vaccine-rollout-as-jabs-go-to-settlers.355123/#post-55390933

Former mod. Remember people got banned for suggesting Israel is a genocide state last time. We’ll see what happens.

Maybe it’s the midwestern south Chicago in me, but these places just don’t look like some place a person lives in.  There’s no personality and reveals nothing of interests. Just looks like a furniture brochure picture.

I’ve been inside rich people apartments and home and even then they have some aspect of culture that reveals something about the person. All white Apple store aesthetic reveals nothing but someone following a guide.

I need to know more about where you’re from. Feel like we grew up a stone’s throw from each other.

I'm from the Hyde Park area and currently live in Tinley park. If I could get my act together and make something of my self, I'd love to move to Skokie, if I stay in IL.

Lmao I’m in Orland Park. We’re neighbors.

Sup

You from the area?

[HaughtyFrank]

a special forum for only the most fragile threads, y'know, good on them for doing what they can to protect people with serious issues who feel especially vulnerable



and then also putting mental health era in there too

I opened that link and saw that the creator of The Mental Health OT was banned so I killed myself.

I don't even know how to find the members only area. Who is the genius that had the idea to hide a mental health thread.

[HaughtyFrank]

Why the fuck would you quote Schreier for this 

Pretty sure he doesn't even have kids

He has a daughter.

That's at least something. Should have quoted him as "Jason Schreier, a father" 

[Superstar]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/palestinians-excluded-from-israeli-covid-vaccine-rollout-as-jabs-go-to-settlers.355123/#post-55390933

Former mod. Remember people got banned for suggesting Israel is a genocide state last time. We’ll see what happens.

Maybe it’s the midwestern south Chicago in me, but these places just don’t look like some place a person lives in.  There’s no personality and reveals nothing of interests. Just looks like a furniture brochure picture.

I’ve been inside rich people apartments and home and even then they have some aspect of culture that reveals something about the person. All white Apple store aesthetic reveals nothing but someone following a guide.

I need to know more about where you’re from. Feel like we grew up a stone’s throw from each other.

I'm from the Hyde Park area and currently live in Tinley park. If I could get my act together and make something of my self, I'd love to move to Skokie, if I stay in IL.

Lmao I’m in Orland Park. We’re neighbors.

Sup

You from the area?

Palos now yep

[Don Rumata]

I wonder if Schreier refuses to read his daughter a bedtime story past the first paragraph, saying she has to pay for a Bloomberg subscription, to access the full article. 

[remy]

I wonder if Schreier refuses to read his daughter a bedtime story past the first paragraph, saying she has to pay for a Bloomberg subscription, to access the full article. 

Working after 5 is crunch. if she wants a bedtime story she can do it when he's on the clock.

[Potato]

a special forum for only the most fragile threads, y'know, good on them for doing what they can to protect people with serious issues who feel especially vulnerable



and then also putting mental health era in there too

I opened that link and saw that the creator of The Mental Health OT was banned so I killed myself.

I don't even know how to find the members only area. Who is the genius that had the idea to hide a mental health thread.

It's only the "frequent users" who have mental health problems anyway, so they should be able to navigate the site...

I'd love to see the Venn diagram of Reeeeesetera users with mental health problems and frequent site visitors. Probably just a circle.

[Potato]

jason schreier got mentioned by the BBC 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55515243

A dad in the US who boasted about his parenting skills after telling his hungry nine-year-old daughter to open a tin of beans or go without food has caused outcry on social media.

"I feel like it's super valuable to teach kids that they're not alone in the world and that there's no shame in asking other people for help and support," wrote journalist Jason Schreier.

This article shows everything wrong with using hot takes on Twitter to write an article.

The morons commenting are insinuating that he deprived his child of all food for six hours in order to teach her a lesson in opening a can.

He didn't. He just didn't give in to her demands for baked beans. This is clearly not Tabris's apartment where the only thing in the refrigerator is expensive tap water and hipster tea. I'm pretty sure she would have had access to other food that didn't require a fucking can opener in that time.

Some users also accused Mr Roderick of racism, sexism and homophobia after searching through his previous tweets.

What sort of fucking stupid world have we created where a rational course of action when you read something on the internet you disagree with by someone you've never met is to comb through their previous statements trying to find something you can twist to suit your chosen agenda? How fucking mental do you have to be?

[DJ Bedroom]

If only he would've directed a disney film, all of it could be explained away!

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ace-research-institute-looking-into-sonys-claim-that-they-take-japan-seriously.355318/

After fall 2018, Sony implemented its own regulations on depictions in games, which has censored content aimed at Japanese users

.....

The main issue concerns the 2nd point above. Aniplex, which is part of the Sony umbrella, is deriving large amounts of income from Fate/Grand Order’s swimsuit characters, but on PlayStation, games that depict swimsuits either cannot be sold or have had alterations forced onto them. This is nothing but a double standard. All this does is feed into users’ distrust. This policy should immediately be rescinded. However, it unfortunately seems to be taboo for Sony’s upper management to breach the topic of censorship, so we predict that ACE Economic Research Institute’s opinion will be ignored.

People are seriously still on this?

Separately from this, I find the comments about sexy swimsuit costumes very bizarre, both in the complaint they're making and the fact they mention it at all.

Please stop using the censorship of under age girls being groped as a reason to use against a company taking a region's market seriously. Come on.

This dude seems to have taken Sony's stance on the swimsuits personally lol.

I mean, the article loses and and all credibility when it starts talking about censorship by Sony of "japan specific media"/.

It's called paedophilia. Stop trying to pretend its a cultural issue.

[Nintex]

jason schreier got mentioned by the BBC 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55515243

A dad in the US who boasted about his parenting skills after telling his hungry nine-year-old daughter to open a tin of beans or go without food has caused outcry on social media.

"I feel like it's super valuable to teach kids that they're not alone in the world and that there's no shame in asking other people for help and support," wrote journalist Jason Schreier.

This article shows everything wrong with using hot takes on Twitter to write an article.

The morons commenting are insinuating that he deprived his child of all food for six hours in order to teach her a lesson in opening a can.

He didn't. He just didn't give in to her demands for baked beans. This is clearly not Tabris's apartment where the only thing in the refrigerator is expensive tap water and hipster tea. I'm pretty sure she would have had access to other food that didn't require a fucking can opener in that time.

Some users also accused Mr Roderick of racism, sexism and homophobia after searching through his previous tweets.

What sort of fucking stupid world have we created where a rational course of action when you read something on the internet you disagree with by someone you've never met is to comb through their previous statements trying to find something you can twist to suit your chosen agenda? How fucking mental do you have to be?

This is the future the liberals want

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ace-research-institute-looking-into-sonys-claim-that-they-take-japan-seriously.355318/page-2

User Warned: Inappropriate commentary

Sony is shipping less PS5's to Japan on a week to week basis then they do to Spain, a country with substantially less than half the population, which should make it obvious that Japan is no longer foremost in their thoughts. They also don't seem to be making games that target the JP market.

PlayStation 5, you will see, will be far and away the winner in Japan when you look at it by March '22. They really, really will. It's something that is going to be a slow burner, and suddenly it's like a tsunami; it will just overtake you.

User banned (5 days): Instigating cross-thread drama and community sniping

Absolutely spot on (PS5 launch and outlook specifically) but unfortunately I expect these issues to be glossed over or hand-waved away, and the writer attacked for no reason, going by recent history.

*Looks at latest posts in the PlayStation Studios OT*

Well that didn't take long at all!

[benita]

How the fuck is defending bean dad the hill you wanna die on?

[Uncle]

How the fuck is defending bean dad the hill you wanna die on?

preventing daughter from eating for 6 hours: "that's child abuse! you're STARVING her!!" = idiot take

refusing to simply give daughter a couple pointers after 10 minutes = shitty parenting

digging deep into twitter celebrity of the day's 10 years of tweets = what the hell is wrong with you

canceling a man for saying nicca in 2012 = ok sure as long as that standard applies to everyone, murder james gunn and b-dubs or shut the fuck up

[Ghoul]

I think anytime you have to use @username+”offensive word” + anytime on Twitter search because you can’t win an argument you’ve already lost, reading the early tweets they all look like bad edgy jokes, I don’t see how the guy deserves to be run off a platform for them. Just thank Christ I didn’t use Twitter when I was an edgy little fuck

[Nintex]

How the fuck is defending bean dad the hill you wanna die on?

FIGHT FOR BEAN DAD


Like the prophet Denis Dyack once said: "Are you for or against?"

It's 2021 kid, you have to take sides and if I have to side with Comrade Jason 'Bloomberg' Schreier or bean dad, I side with bean dad.

I think anytime you have to use @username+”offensive word” + anytime on Twitter search because you can’t win an argument you’ve already lost, reading the early tweets they all look like bad edgy jokes, I don’t see how the guy deserves to be run off a platform for them. Just thank Christ I didn’t use Twitter when I was an edgy little fuck

That's why I sold my Twitter handle to a tech company for $5000

[Potato]

How the fuck is defending bean dad the hill you wanna die on?

Ain't no one dying on any hills here Bucko. How the fuck is defending the harassment of someone on a social media platform seen as a virtue?

[Snoopycat_]

Ree's dregs have definitely been watching too much Cobra Kai -

Era and old-GAF actively prevented me from enjoying my life at times. I became the preachiest liberal blowhard and actively scared off sane individuals with my PC nonsense. Numerous times I dropped the ball with chicks because I was terrified of (lord forbid) sexualizing them or getting accused of something worse.I second guessed every viewpoint I had and truly saw offense where there wasn't any time and time again. I'd ask asinine post-modern questions like, "What does it really mean to own something? What is property?" All this freaky leftist nonsense, as I cried and blamed rich people and society for all my woes. Biggest cumshot of hogwash ever, and someone should've beat my ass for being such a nonce.

Weird how once I broke, and began accepting full responsibility for my own life, and maintaining a healthy level of self control on all of my vices - suddenly my life improved tenfold. GAF has become my ride or die in my journey of self improvement and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Ghoul]

Serious British vibes off that post. Using “Hogwash?” Breh wtf?

[Ghoul]

yeh what a count, m8

Shuuuut up

[Snoopycat_]

Evilore's brain is going to melt when he realises the dregs are now visualizing Gaf as his dojo. Fuck, I hope he comes up with a mantra for them.

[Ghoul]

Shower on, shower off Daniel San

[benita]

How the fuck is defending bean dad the hill you wanna die on?

Ain't no one dying on any hills here Bucko. How the fuck is defending the harassment of someone on a social media platform seen as a virtue?

Chat shit get banged.

 

[Potato]

Evilore's brain is going to melt when he realises the dregs are now visualizing Gaf as his dojo. Fuck, I hope he comes up with a mantra for them.

Believe

[Ghoul]

Enzom got you banned 

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-read-a-book-i-think-i-hate-that-has-things-in-it-i-love-and-i-cant-talk-to-you-about-extensively.355831/

I have a book that I just finished reading. I'm struggling to say whether I enjoyed it or not. In fact, I'm struggling to say whether it was good or not, which is usually the more important question.

Honestly, if anything, I'm frustrated and sad. There is so much what I like in this book. The worldbuilding is expansive, deep and diverse. The characters are all very well developed with no one being flat or totally uninteresting. The prose is.....well, it goes too far sometimes. It goes too far a lot in fact, and there is a thing it does that I wish it would stop (and it did in the last section fo the book where there was too much action for it to do so, and the book ended up being SO MUCH BETTER, which probably has me thinking of it more positively than I did for 80% of it) but when it actually hits the mark, it's actually very quite beautiful. And the political and mystery intrigues are just perfect, like it's exactly what I want as I discover more of the world.

Too bad it's written by an Alt-right friendly douchebag.

I actually figured this out a while ago, after I got a bit into the book and then put it down for a while. But it stayed at the back of my mind, because the part I read was good. So I read the rest of it, and now here I am.

The problem isn't one of seperating art from artist. I'm hardcore death of the author and have an easier time than most keeping the two apart. Don't misunderstand me on that front though, there is a difference between being able to read and interpret a work despite the creator being bad vs using the idea that they made art you like as clemency for their bullshit. Harry Potter the series isn't ruined for me, I can still read and enjoy the books themselves (albeit with caveats because holy shit how did I never pick up on Rita Skeeter before this...),  but FUCK JK Rowling for her terfism and anyone who defends her for it.

But with this, I'm faced with a different problem. A lot of the shittiness is built into the story itself. Without going into specifics, this is a story that says xenophobia is sensible, good and rational. It's a story that frames that you can only bestow humanity where you see similarities, shun it at differences. At various points, it denigrades sex work, expresses transphobia, has  gender essentialism a major part of the characters framework, and softly endorses fascism in multiple ways. I say softly because there are caveats to it and it's never explicit, but if you are a fascist, you'd be looking at a lot of this thinking "yes, that makes perfect sense!" It doesn't. There are so many points that are written as (poor) rebuttals to leftist ideals or arguments.

I don't think I've ever loathed a character like this except perhaps Kratos from God of War (and that character is largely because of my criticism skills were rather immature and I just played that game at a formative time in my life). I should mention I don't hate fictional characters. Like I said, the characters in this book are well written, including the main character and I just don't hate good writing. But he is such an insufferable piece of shit because he is meant to espouse most of the shitty beliefs that go into the book. I can't really go into too much detail without giving the keys to the book, but just know he has a fixation on a category of things that he is philosophical about, and it's so fucking relentless, especially when he's talking straight shit and making terrible arguments. And moralizing, god does he love to go on about how his superior moral code. But more importantly, in addition to being a mouthpiece for alt-righty ideas, he is such a fucking hypocrite. Sometimes it's intentional, to give his character some realistic touch, but a lot of the time how good he thinks something or someone is basically depends on how much he can get something out of them or escape the blame.

Suffice to say, no matter how good the story itself is, if its told from a view point this douchebaggy, it's hard to enjoy it.

If you've ever seen me write about stories, you'll know that I like ones that have an epic scope, but a powerful personal narrative with intimate interactions between characters. I cannot enjoy that here, despite much of the story being dedicated to developing the side characters, because I cannot get invested in the main character as a person. He's such a fucking tool the entire time. The last part of the story was mostly plot and action based and that was when I found myself enjoying the story the most, because he stopped mattering as much as a person.


So why am I writing this?

Well, I find it frustrating that I read this, have tons of thoughts on it, but can't actually talk about it in detail because it's in the phase of it's life where any popularity is good popularity. I don't want give anyone who reads this thread and thinks they don't mind any of the stuff I mentioned an excuse to buy it, especially since it is otherwise an excellent story.

But I think this has some interesting points here. Like, I've always known this, but I've rarely ever seen it put in practice so thoroughly that good writing principles are morally neutral things and can be used to make any ideas, right or wrong, toxic or healthy, engaging. And to some extent, I've believed that empathy is kind of a major key to writing the kind of stories I like, because you can't really get into the head of another if you think shit like "xenophobia is good", but here it is.

I don't know if I feel challenged. A lot of the time, you hear people say that going out of your own bubble makes you grow. I kept thinking counterarguments to what the character said as I read it and there is atleast one thing I looked up to make sure the book was wrong about (it was) so it's true in that way I guess, but honestly, it's just kind of exhausting to keep reading and seeing the character say one shitty thing after another, but you still want to keep going because you want to see the reveal of the mystery that was set up or because the political intrigue is really well done. You get this sense that there isn't actually hope for character or theme development you want to see because you know the book fundamentally doesn't believe in the ideals you do so it's never going to go there.

I've read books before where either I knew the writer was problematic, or a book had some problematic elements in there, or was built on problematic foundations, but never one that drew me in this much while making the journey as abrasive as possible. It's even hard to get a sense of wasted potential because it's not any one thing that could be fixed, it's the entire book is designed around complete bullshit ideals, but it's designed really well and it's so entrenched in almost every chapter and paragraph that it's truly impossible to imagine what this book would even be without it's problematic foundation.



If you've read all this and have an idea of what book I'm talking about.... Well, first off, WOW, become a detective or some shit. Second, please don't mention it here. I know I can't stop people from guessing, but I have left out anything that can be used to identify it specifically because I am not trying to give this thing any oxygen. I'm just trying to vent about the experience I've had with it. If you, the person reading this, has had similar experiences with a novel or has some insight on the phenomenon of dealing with problematic elements of books you like, I'd rather have the discussion be about that instead of trying to guess what the book is please.


Otherwise, please read this instead. It's another book I finished recently and while I feel I need to reread it to know if it's fully GOOD good, I like it and it is a delight for it's imagination and wit and prose

(Image removed from quote.)

In it, you have a lesbian asian Elon Musk-type without the douchiness of Real life Elon trying to kill corporate capitalism before finding herself in a situation where a monk fights killer robots talking about spiritual reincarnation as she learns she has to free a pirate furry super saiyan trapped inside a sun to survive an nearly omnipotent  totalitarian cosmic god. These aren't spoilers, this is part of the premise set up, less than 10% of the book. If that doesn't atleast pique your interest, we can't be friends.

Now I'm off to catch up to Sanderson's latest craziness.

 

[BIONIC]

OP seems to have an undeserved massively inflated sense of importance.

Your putting a book to blast is not going to cause Resetera members to go buy the book in droves. Know your audience.

Your mistake is that you think the audience is exclusive to members. Besides the fact that we have altright troll accounts a plenty (the original intended creator of the cyberpunk 2077 thread ended up being a Trump supporter), we have lurkers. And we know that the old place is now an altright haven with their most active thread being one that watches everything we do.

I have no sense of my own importance here. I just want to play it safe because.... I know my audience

   

[Superstar]

I guess I need to look into whatever happened to the cyberpunk official thread because I've seen it referenced like 25 times in the last week as if it were the worst catastrophe ever

[Pissy F Benny]

I’ve not read it, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the Bigot Gamers are discussing the game and not posting about what the detractors want them to talk about

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-read-a-book-i-think-i-hate-that-has-things-in-it-i-love-and-i-cant-talk-to-you-about-extensively.355831/


 

Very strong bean dad energy. What an obnoxious little asshole

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

In it, you have a lesbian asian Elon Musk-type without the douchiness of Real life Elon trying to kill corporate capitalism before finding herself in a situation where a monk fights killer robots talking about spiritual reincarnation as she learns she has to free a pirate furry super saiyan trapped inside a sun to survive an nearly omnipotent  totalitarian cosmic god. These aren't spoilers, this is part of the premise set up, less than 10% of the book. If that doesn't atleast pique your interest, we can't be friends.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

How the fuck is defending bean dad the hill you wanna die on?

Guy got his life destroyed, and took down some collateral damage from people who defended him as not being what his accusers claimed he was for the crime of *checks notes* sharing an anecdote about parenting his kid

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://twitter.com/maplecocaine/status/1080665226410889217

[benjipwns]

User banned (1 month) Hostility and off-topic inflammatory accusations/misrepresentations towards another member over a series of posts. Numerous previous infractions for similar behaviour.

I never downplayed the genocide of Native Americans. That’s an awful thing to make up.

(Image removed from quote.)

[BIONIC]

Guess they’ll have to pound sand for a month 

[Don Rumata]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-read-a-book-i-think-i-hate-that-has-things-in-it-i-love-and-i-cant-talk-to-you-about-extensively.355831/

I have a book that I just finished reading. I'm struggling to say whether I enjoyed it or not. In fact, I'm struggling to say whether it was good or not, which is usually the more important question.

Honestly, if anything, I'm frustrated and sad. There is so much what I like in this book. The worldbuilding is expansive, deep and diverse. The characters are all very well developed with no one being flat or totally uninteresting. The prose is.....well, it goes too far sometimes. It goes too far a lot in fact, and there is a thing it does that I wish it would stop (and it did in the last section fo the book where there was too much action for it to do so, and the book ended up being SO MUCH BETTER, which probably has me thinking of it more positively than I did for 80% of it) but when it actually hits the mark, it's actually very quite beautiful. And the political and mystery intrigues are just perfect, like it's exactly what I want as I discover more of the world.

Too bad it's written by an Alt-right friendly douchebag.

I actually figured this out a while ago, after I got a bit into the book and then put it down for a while. But it stayed at the back of my mind, because the part I read was good. So I read the rest of it, and now here I am.

The problem isn't one of seperating art from artist. I'm hardcore death of the author and have an easier time than most keeping the two apart. Don't misunderstand me on that front though, there is a difference between being able to read and interpret a work despite the creator being bad vs using the idea that they made art you like as clemency for their bullshit. Harry Potter the series isn't ruined for me, I can still read and enjoy the books themselves (albeit with caveats because holy shit how did I never pick up on Rita Skeeter before this...),  but FUCK JK Rowling for her terfism and anyone who defends her for it.

But with this, I'm faced with a different problem. A lot of the shittiness is built into the story itself. Without going into specifics, this is a story that says xenophobia is sensible, good and rational. It's a story that frames that you can only bestow humanity where you see similarities, shun it at differences. At various points, it denigrades sex work, expresses transphobia, has  gender essentialism a major part of the characters framework, and softly endorses fascism in multiple ways. I say softly because there are caveats to it and it's never explicit, but if you are a fascist, you'd be looking at a lot of this thinking "yes, that makes perfect sense!" It doesn't. There are so many points that are written as (poor) rebuttals to leftist ideals or arguments.

I don't think I've ever loathed a character like this except perhaps Kratos from God of War (and that character is largely because of my criticism skills were rather immature and I just played that game at a formative time in my life). I should mention I don't hate fictional characters. Like I said, the characters in this book are well written, including the main character and I just don't hate good writing. But he is such an insufferable piece of shit because he is meant to espouse most of the shitty beliefs that go into the book. I can't really go into too much detail without giving the keys to the book, but just know he has a fixation on a category of things that he is philosophical about, and it's so fucking relentless, especially when he's talking straight shit and making terrible arguments. And moralizing, god does he love to go on about how his superior moral code. But more importantly, in addition to being a mouthpiece for alt-righty ideas, he is such a fucking hypocrite. Sometimes it's intentional, to give his character some realistic touch, but a lot of the time how good he thinks something or someone is basically depends on how much he can get something out of them or escape the blame.

Suffice to say, no matter how good the story itself is, if its told from a view point this douchebaggy, it's hard to enjoy it.

If you've ever seen me write about stories, you'll know that I like ones that have an epic scope, but a powerful personal narrative with intimate interactions between characters. I cannot enjoy that here, despite much of the story being dedicated to developing the side characters, because I cannot get invested in the main character as a person. He's such a fucking tool the entire time. The last part of the story was mostly plot and action based and that was when I found myself enjoying the story the most, because he stopped mattering as much as a person.


So why am I writing this?

Well, I find it frustrating that I read this, have tons of thoughts on it, but can't actually talk about it in detail because it's in the phase of it's life where any popularity is good popularity. I don't want give anyone who reads this thread and thinks they don't mind any of the stuff I mentioned an excuse to buy it, especially since it is otherwise an excellent story.

But I think this has some interesting points here. Like, I've always known this, but I've rarely ever seen it put in practice so thoroughly that good writing principles are morally neutral things and can be used to make any ideas, right or wrong, toxic or healthy, engaging. And to some extent, I've believed that empathy is kind of a major key to writing the kind of stories I like, because you can't really get into the head of another if you think shit like "xenophobia is good", but here it is.

I don't know if I feel challenged. A lot of the time, you hear people say that going out of your own bubble makes you grow. I kept thinking counterarguments to what the character said as I read it and there is atleast one thing I looked up to make sure the book was wrong about (it was) so it's true in that way I guess, but honestly, it's just kind of exhausting to keep reading and seeing the character say one shitty thing after another, but you still want to keep going because you want to see the reveal of the mystery that was set up or because the political intrigue is really well done. You get this sense that there isn't actually hope for character or theme development you want to see because you know the book fundamentally doesn't believe in the ideals you do so it's never going to go there.

I've read books before where either I knew the writer was problematic, or a book had some problematic elements in there, or was built on problematic foundations, but never one that drew me in this much while making the journey as abrasive as possible. It's even hard to get a sense of wasted potential because it's not any one thing that could be fixed, it's the entire book is designed around complete bullshit ideals, but it's designed really well and it's so entrenched in almost every chapter and paragraph that it's truly impossible to imagine what this book would even be without it's problematic foundation.



If you've read all this and have an idea of what book I'm talking about.... Well, first off, WOW, become a detective or some shit. Second, please don't mention it here. I know I can't stop people from guessing, but I have left out anything that can be used to identify it specifically because I am not trying to give this thing any oxygen. I'm just trying to vent about the experience I've had with it. If you, the person reading this, has had similar experiences with a novel or has some insight on the phenomenon of dealing with problematic elements of books you like, I'd rather have the discussion be about that instead of trying to guess what the book is please.


Otherwise, please read this instead. It's another book I finished recently and while I feel I need to reread it to know if it's fully GOOD good, I like it and it is a delight for it's imagination and wit and prose

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In it, you have a lesbian asian Elon Musk-type without the douchiness of Real life Elon trying to kill corporate capitalism before finding herself in a situation where a monk fights killer robots talking about spiritual reincarnation as she learns she has to free a pirate furry super saiyan trapped inside a sun to survive an nearly omnipotent  totalitarian cosmic god. These aren't spoilers, this is part of the premise set up, less than 10% of the book. If that doesn't atleast pique your interest, we can't be friends.

Now I'm off to catch up to Sanderson's latest craziness.

 

[Transhuman]

It's smart, by not naming the book/author the claims are impossible to refute

[Uncle]

 

[HaughtyFrank]

It's smart, by not naming the book/author the claims are impossible to refute

I say softly because there are caveats to it and it's never explicit, but if you are a fascist, you'd be looking at a lot of this thinking "yes, that makes perfect sense!"

Clearly the author is a nazi

(who knows what he even defines as facist)

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

First entry this year for our regular orange gaf or purple gaf contest?

Cry me a river over spilt ______ emotional anguish. We all go thru strife. Nonsense.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.resetera.com/threads/uk-judge-blocks-julian-assange-extradition-to-us-on-mental-health-grounds.355306/post-55496332

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[Transhuman]

It's smart, by not naming the book/author the claims are impossible to refute

I say softly because there are caveats to it and it's never explicit, but if you are a fascist, you'd be looking at a lot of this thinking "yes, that makes perfect sense!"

Clearly the author is a nazi

(who knows what he even defines as facist)

Maybe he employed a fascist.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Why wouldn't you just make a cartoon about a funny guy with a prehensile tail? This is marketable, approachable, humorous, perhaps even wholesome. Instead we have a the horrible penis man. I detest him.

I would argue the exact opposite; there's little difference in how the show would operate between what it currently is and what it would if the 'penis' was a tail, except that we wouldn't be discussing a Dutch TV show with man who has a tail which is pretty generic.

The show, based solely on the intro, seems to very clearly play into zaniness and absurdity and there's a lot more toilet-humour and absurdity from this premise (particularly in regards to appeal to children) versus the near-equivalent but more 'generic' premise.

(shuffling away rough drawings of furry-adjacent "man with tail concept") Yeah, but... but what if... I mean, there's just something cool about it, right?

[Ghoul]

 :nepenthe

[Joe Molotov]

We already made Bojack Horseman for you weirdos, can't you just be satisfied?

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-read-a-book-i-think-i-hate-that-has-things-in-it-i-love-and-i-cant-talk-to-you-about-extensively.355831/

I have a book that I just finished reading. I'm struggling to say whether I enjoyed it or not. In fact, I'm struggling to say whether it was good or not, which is usually the more important question.

Honestly, if anything, I'm frustrated and sad. There is so much what I like in this book. The worldbuilding is expansive, deep and diverse. The characters are all very well developed with no one being flat or totally uninteresting. The prose is.....well, it goes too far sometimes. It goes too far a lot in fact, and there is a thing it does that I wish it would stop (and it did in the last section fo the book where there was too much action for it to do so, and the book ended up being SO MUCH BETTER, which probably has me thinking of it more positively than I did for 80% of it) but when it actually hits the mark, it's actually very quite beautiful. And the political and mystery intrigues are just perfect, like it's exactly what I want as I discover more of the world.

Too bad it's written by an Alt-right friendly douchebag.

I actually figured this out a while ago, after I got a bit into the book and then put it down for a while. But it stayed at the back of my mind, because the part I read was good. So I read the rest of it, and now here I am.

The problem isn't one of seperating art from artist. I'm hardcore death of the author and have an easier time than most keeping the two apart. Don't misunderstand me on that front though, there is a difference between being able to read and interpret a work despite the creator being bad vs using the idea that they made art you like as clemency for their bullshit. Harry Potter the series isn't ruined for me, I can still read and enjoy the books themselves (albeit with caveats because holy shit how did I never pick up on Rita Skeeter before this...),  but FUCK JK Rowling for her terfism and anyone who defends her for it.

But with this, I'm faced with a different problem. A lot of the shittiness is built into the story itself. Without going into specifics, this is a story that says xenophobia is sensible, good and rational. It's a story that frames that you can only bestow humanity where you see similarities, shun it at differences. At various points, it denigrades sex work, expresses transphobia, has  gender essentialism a major part of the characters framework, and softly endorses fascism in multiple ways. I say softly because there are caveats to it and it's never explicit, but if you are a fascist, you'd be looking at a lot of this thinking "yes, that makes perfect sense!" It doesn't. There are so many points that are written as (poor) rebuttals to leftist ideals or arguments.

I don't think I've ever loathed a character like this except perhaps Kratos from God of War (and that character is largely because of my criticism skills were rather immature and I just played that game at a formative time in my life). I should mention I don't hate fictional characters. Like I said, the characters in this book are well written, including the main character and I just don't hate good writing. But he is such an insufferable piece of shit because he is meant to espouse most of the shitty beliefs that go into the book. I can't really go into too much detail without giving the keys to the book, but just know he has a fixation on a category of things that he is philosophical about, and it's so fucking relentless, especially when he's talking straight shit and making terrible arguments. And moralizing, god does he love to go on about how his superior moral code. But more importantly, in addition to being a mouthpiece for alt-righty ideas, he is such a fucking hypocrite. Sometimes it's intentional, to give his character some realistic touch, but a lot of the time how good he thinks something or someone is basically depends on how much he can get something out of them or escape the blame.

Suffice to say, no matter how good the story itself is, if its told from a view point this douchebaggy, it's hard to enjoy it.

If you've ever seen me write about stories, you'll know that I like ones that have an epic scope, but a powerful personal narrative with intimate interactions between characters. I cannot enjoy that here, despite much of the story being dedicated to developing the side characters, because I cannot get invested in the main character as a person. He's such a fucking tool the entire time. The last part of the story was mostly plot and action based and that was when I found myself enjoying the story the most, because he stopped mattering as much as a person.


So why am I writing this?

Well, I find it frustrating that I read this, have tons of thoughts on it, but can't actually talk about it in detail because it's in the phase of it's life where any popularity is good popularity. I don't want give anyone who reads this thread and thinks they don't mind any of the stuff I mentioned an excuse to buy it, especially since it is otherwise an excellent story.

But I think this has some interesting points here. Like, I've always known this, but I've rarely ever seen it put in practice so thoroughly that good writing principles are morally neutral things and can be used to make any ideas, right or wrong, toxic or healthy, engaging. And to some extent, I've believed that empathy is kind of a major key to writing the kind of stories I like, because you can't really get into the head of another if you think shit like "xenophobia is good", but here it is.

I don't know if I feel challenged. A lot of the time, you hear people say that going out of your own bubble makes you grow. I kept thinking counterarguments to what the character said as I read it and there is atleast one thing I looked up to make sure the book was wrong about (it was) so it's true in that way I guess, but honestly, it's just kind of exhausting to keep reading and seeing the character say one shitty thing after another, but you still want to keep going because you want to see the reveal of the mystery that was set up or because the political intrigue is really well done. You get this sense that there isn't actually hope for character or theme development you want to see because you know the book fundamentally doesn't believe in the ideals you do so it's never going to go there.

I've read books before where either I knew the writer was problematic, or a book had some problematic elements in there, or was built on problematic foundations, but never one that drew me in this much while making the journey as abrasive as possible. It's even hard to get a sense of wasted potential because it's not any one thing that could be fixed, it's the entire book is designed around complete bullshit ideals, but it's designed really well and it's so entrenched in almost every chapter and paragraph that it's truly impossible to imagine what this book would even be without it's problematic foundation.



If you've read all this and have an idea of what book I'm talking about.... Well, first off, WOW, become a detective or some shit. Second, please don't mention it here. I know I can't stop people from guessing, but I have left out anything that can be used to identify it specifically because I am not trying to give this thing any oxygen. I'm just trying to vent about the experience I've had with it. If you, the person reading this, has had similar experiences with a novel or has some insight on the phenomenon of dealing with problematic elements of books you like, I'd rather have the discussion be about that instead of trying to guess what the book is please.


Otherwise, please read this instead. It's another book I finished recently and while I feel I need to reread it to know if it's fully GOOD good, I like it and it is a delight for it's imagination and wit and prose

(Image removed from quote.)

In it, you have a lesbian asian Elon Musk-type without the douchiness of Real life Elon trying to kill corporate capitalism before finding herself in a situation where a monk fights killer robots talking about spiritual reincarnation as she learns she has to free a pirate furry super saiyan trapped inside a sun to survive an nearly omnipotent  totalitarian cosmic god. These aren't spoilers, this is part of the premise set up, less than 10% of the book. If that doesn't atleast pique your interest, we can't be friends.

Now I'm off to catch up to Sanderson's latest craziness.

 

Veelk is such a fucking coward: “I don’t want you to read this book that is so good that is challenging my beliefs but this SJW approved shit. I’m a fucking taco “.

Piece of shit human.

[BikeJesus]

User banned (1 month) Hostility and off-topic inflammatory accusations/misrepresentations towards another member over a series of posts. Numerous previous infractions for similar behaviour.

I never downplayed the genocide of Native Americans. That’s an awful thing to make up.

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You can tell the mods were just waiting for the opportunity to ban them for something not related to the war of cybertrans 2077.