Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I love their disclaimers

Just a heads up that all posts in this threads are personal opinions and should not be taken as "You should stop playing that game!"

Also is that just a lowkey recommendations thread ?

[BisMarckie]

I played Contra the other day andrealized that Aliens invading the World is just a lazy metaphor for immigrants. Bill and Lance are just an alt-right militia hunting them.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Pac Man is an inappropriately dark meditation on ineffectively trying to deal with depression and anxiety through medication, which ultimately is only a temporary measure to deal with your ghosts because they always come back and leave you feeling trapped in a maze, endlessly reliving a monotonous routine until eventual death

[BisMarckie]

And RDR2, a peaceful mode where you could just ride around delivering stuff, camping, fishing, playing cards, it would’ve been fantastic to play with the kids. But nope, somebody needs to be shot in the face or it won’t sell.

 

[HaughtyFrank]

Always felt this was a game that’d be great to experience while portable - gives me something to keep busy while my girlfriend is in the other room with her dates

 

dates as in the fruit or dates as in dates

Dates as in we have an open relationship

The game looks great though, I’m sure the screens don’t do it proper justice. Hope the battery life and frame rate holds up

[Uncle]

Wii Sports shows us a vision of a perfect, shining world where no one has anything better to do but enjoy sports in the sun, and there is no better example of white privilege.  Why aren't these Miis out there protesting police violence?  Oh right, because they've got an appointment for white doubles tennis in the gated community.  Give me a fucking break.  And the game itself is ableist as fuck where people who have trouble swinging their arms or making repetitive movements can't even play.

[BisMarckie]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-and-transphobia.239437/

SUMMIT #2 NOW

[Ghoul]

Always felt this was a game that’d be great to experience while portable - gives me something to keep busy while my girlfriend is in the other room with her dates

 

yooo....... where's the link to this at? found it lol, imagine playing a shit port whilst your GF gets ruined in the next room....

[BikeJesus]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbip_CMno49/

How to silence era with a single post.

That’s cute that you are outraged by #JusticeLeague, here is why your opinion isn’t worth a damn thing.
I was an #Amazonian - My scene didn’t make the final cut of the #movie -but that doesn’t change the relationship I have with the part and my experience as a female on set. I loved it, I felt empowered. I looked around and saw strong women who are proud of their bodies and their abilities. I saw women I look up to, who all wanted the perception of women to be one of capability. Yes, we wore costumes that showed our bodies, much like the guys did in #300 (which people seem to forget is a Zack Snyder film). At no time was my experience in Justice League sexual which brings me to the point:

Clothing, or lack thereof is NOT sexual. The “problem” is with your association of sex, not what I wear.
I’ve fought against this type of person my entire life, the ones that commented my shorts being too short, that made me go home from school because my figure was distracting to the male teachers and students. They didn’t realize that I bought the same kids clothes as everyone else, I just fit in them differently. They blamed their lack of self control on me, they made presumptions of my sexual activity because they lacked control over their own. You can call me whatever you want, you can assert that scantily clad females is regression, but perhaps your view of sexuality is what should be under the microscope, maybe calling it “feminism” doesn’t make it correct or even needed.
I love my body. I love being capable. I love the strength and esteem that I’ve developed through physical activity, I also love that I will pass it down to my daughter, she sees me hold my chin high in the face of judgmental trolls, so she can one day do the same, when she faces a society that treats her like a sexual object and will only be considered appropriate as long as her shorts are long enough.
I am grateful to #Zacksnyder and #WB for representing female ability, and allowing us to be a part.
Keyboard #warriors will search for relevance in this film, so let’s be clear, my Amazonian sisters and I hold our middle finger high to you and your opinion of our costumes.
@shutup_eat #shutupEAT   

[BikeJesus]

Always felt this was a game that’d be great to experience while portable - gives me something to keep busy while my girlfriend is in the other room with her dates

 

yooo....... where's the link to this at?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/first-look-at-crysis-on-switch.239077/post-38555590

Dates as in we have an open relationship

The game looks great though, I’m sure the screens don’t do it proper justice. Hope the battery life and frame rate holds up. 

Yeah, hope the batter life holds up because Tyrone is coming over later and he doesn't let up for hours.

[Joe Molotov]

Always felt this was a game that’d be great to experience while portable - gives me something to keep busy while my girlfriend is in the other room with her dates

 

dates as in the fruit or dates as in dates

Dates as in we have an open relationship

The game looks great though, I’m sure the screens don’t do it proper justice. Hope the battery life and frame rate holds up

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbip_CMno49/

How to silence era with a single post.

That’s cute that you are outraged by #JusticeLeague, here is why your opinion isn’t worth a damn thing.
I was an #Amazonian - My scene didn’t make the final cut of the #movie -but that doesn’t change the relationship I have with the part and my experience as a female on set. I loved it, I felt empowered. I looked around and saw strong women who are proud of their bodies and their abilities. I saw women I look up to, who all wanted the perception of women to be one of capability. Yes, we wore costumes that showed our bodies, much like the guys did in #300 (which people seem to forget is a Zack Snyder film). At no time was my experience in Justice League sexual which brings me to the point:

Clothing, or lack thereof is NOT sexual. The “problem” is with your association of sex, not what I wear.
I’ve fought against this type of person my entire life, the ones that commented my shorts being too short, that made me go home from school because my figure was distracting to the male teachers and students. They didn’t realize that I bought the same kids clothes as everyone else, I just fit in them differently. They blamed their lack of self control on me, they made presumptions of my sexual activity because they lacked control over their own. You can call me whatever you want, you can assert that scantily clad females is regression, but perhaps your view of sexuality is what should be under the microscope, maybe calling it “feminism” doesn’t make it correct or even needed.
I love my body. I love being capable. I love the strength and esteem that I’ve developed through physical activity, I also love that I will pass it down to my daughter, she sees me hold my chin high in the face of judgmental trolls, so she can one day do the same, when she faces a society that treats her like a sexual object and will only be considered appropriate as long as her shorts are long enough.
I am grateful to #Zacksnyder and #WB for representing female ability, and allowing us to be a part.
Keyboard #warriors will search for relevance in this film, so let’s be clear, my Amazonian sisters and I hold our middle finger high to you and your opinion of our costumes.
@shutup_eat #shutupEAT   

Context:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ray-fisher-accuses-joss-wheadon-of-abuse-on-set-of-justice-league-geoff-johns-and-jon-berg-named-as-enablers.239293/post-38580604

https://twitter.com/melsil/status/929857954697924612

Get mad at bodybuilders for showing their body

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-and-transphobia.239437/

SUMMIT #2 NOW

So what I'm trying to say is era please have some introspection please try to listen to the community when we want to speak up.

unless they're saying things I don't want to hear, and then I want them banned and even after they've been banned I want to call them out and make a thread about how hard things are for me having to hear things I don't like and please give me more attention about how I need to be listened to more even though its clear any voices that disagree are silenced but thats still not good enough

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

There's a complete lack of intelligence, empathy and compassion here

Nailed it!

Sadly, for too many, feigning outrage by posting an angry response in a thread is as far as they'll go and the only interest they have in inconveniencing their privilege.

Also, nailed it!


...oh, wait, you're trying to dunk on other people?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I dunno what to say without opening a can of worms but I think Era's solutions have been well intentioned and completely useless.

Ya can't ban your way into inclusivity. You actually have to grow a culture.

Right, but how do you grow a culture when you have an entire contingent of posters who make discussions too toxic for ... posters to even get involved in?

HOW MANY FUCKING SPIDERMAN.GIFS WILL IT TAKE?

[Tuckers Law]

Dolan walks into a store.  Dolan next walks back out of the store.
Everything was transphobia.

[HaughtyFrank]

When will they understand that they want a kind of safe space that a public forum just can't provide.

[Rman]

When will they understand that they want a kind of safe space that a public forum just can't provide.

Not just that, they're using very silly criteria to judge folks.  Harry Potter shit? You're not advancing LGBT rights buy boycotting a billionaire's properties.  Their obsession with boycotts is something I don't get. Maybe cause being gamers, they can only define themselves by their consumption habits, not actual activism.

[Joe Molotov]

Good post/username.

[Uncle]

I've seen discords with a population of less than 50 get torn apart by witch hunts, it just takes one person who decides their right to interpret innocuous statements as offensive trumps everyone else's right to a chill environment

before you know it the offending person is banned, a chill person says "that was uncalled for" and they're banned too, and everyone else recognizes it's no longer a chill place and ghosts

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

When will they understand that they want a kind of safe space that a public forum just can't provide.

Not just that, they're using very silly criteria to judge folks.  Harry Potter shit? You're not advancing LGBT rights buy boycotting a billionaire's properties.  Their obsession with boycotts is something I don't get. Maybe cause being gamers, they can only define themselves by their consumption habits, not actual activism.

This is what an ex-moderator said, literally defining those absurd criteria:

Era is, as far as gaming communities go, a fairly progressive place. This has a side effect of making casual bigotry ring far, far, far louder.

For example, the percentage of people who said "I'll still buy the new Harry Potter game regardless of JKR's problematic views" or "I don't think it's a big deal that Naughty Dog cast a white woman to play a black character" sticks out like a sore thumb even if the majority of the posters in those threads aren't the ones making those dime-store garbage takes.

Being able to seperate creator from product is bigotry.
Not a difference of opinion.
Not an alternative values system.
Bigotry.

And despite that percentage of people who do not see a direct correlation between what a middle aged woman says on twitter and a AAA videogame being made by a large team in North America being vastly larger than those who cannot seperate the two things, its the vast majority of people who should be ashamed of their 'bigotry'.

Fucking seriously?

[Tuckers Law]

That’s the thing.  They don’t want a place for understanding; someone who understands might still disagree with them.  They want conformity and adherence to their “living manifesto”.

[benjipwns]

I've seen discords with a population of less than 50 get torn apart by witch hunts, it just takes one person who decides their right to interpret innocuous statements as offensive trumps everyone else's right to a chill environment

before you know it the offending person is banned, a chill person says "that was uncalled for" and they're banned too, and everyone else recognizes it's no longer a chill place and ghosts

Can you put a trigger/content warning the next time you're going to use offensive hate speech like this? You goddamn piece of shit.

I can't believe the mods here allow alt-right rhetoric like this.

[Joe Molotov]

I've seen discords with a population of less than 50 get torn apart by witch hunts, it just takes one person who decides their right to interpret innocuous statements as offensive trumps everyone else's right to a chill environment

before you know it the offending person is banned, a chill person says "that was uncalled for" and they're banned too, and everyone else recognizes it's no longer a chill place and ghosts

Can you put a trigger/content warning the next time you're going to use offensive hate speech like this? You goddamn piece of shit.

The Bore is full of nuance lords who believe that certain nuances excuses discrimination or makes it okay.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Good post/username.

their followup post is though, having topics that only minorities are allowed to post in as a solution

[benjipwns]

I proposed that like two years ago as a solution to the "woman problem"

[HaughtyFrank]

When will they understand that they want a kind of safe space that a public forum just can't provide.

Not just that, they're using very silly criteria to judge folks.  Harry Potter shit? You're not advancing LGBT rights buy boycotting a billionaire's properties.  Their obsession with boycotts is something I don't get. Maybe cause being gamers, they can only define themselves by their consumption habits, not actual activism.

This is what an ex-moderator said, literally defining those absurd criteria:

Era is, as far as gaming communities go, a fairly progressive place. This has a side effect of making casual bigotry ring far, far, far louder.

For example, the percentage of people who said "I'll still buy the new Harry Potter game regardless of JKR's problematic views" or "I don't think it's a big deal that Naughty Dog cast a white woman to play a black character" sticks out like a sore thumb even if the majority of the posters in those threads aren't the ones making those dime-store garbage takes.

Being able to seperate creator from product is bigotry.
Not a difference of opinion.
Not an alternative values system.
Bigotry.

And despite that percentage of people who do not see a direct correlation between what a middle aged woman says on twitter and a AAA videogame being made by a large team in North America being vastly larger than those who cannot seperate the two things, its the vast majority of people who should be ashamed of their 'bigotry'.

Fucking seriously?

True, the bar just keeps moving. The offense becomes milder and milder but the punishments stay the same

[benjipwns]

The punishments aren't harsh enough, I can't believe they think someone will just come back from two weeks or two months or even six months and not still be transphobic. Do they think that person is going to just sit down and listen for the period in order to learn? No, they'll run off to whatever alt-right hive they spawned from in the first place to get their new casual bigotry marching orders.

[benjipwns]

When will they understand that they want a kind of safe space that a public forum just can't provide.

One's own mind is not a safe space.

Moderate me harder.

[Uncle]

nuance lords

this is either a great or completely awful video game title, I'm not sure

[BisMarckie]

"woman problem"

Okay marrec.

[benjipwns]

User banned (duration pending): long and relentless history of modwhining and hostility towards staff

And mods

For real, especially this one for me

On the flipside, have you ever assumed that someone's different opinion than yours was trolling and immediately accused the other member of doing so?

I was upset about a video game in a thread that got locked. People in another thread started talking about the locked thread, so I responded with how I felt.
Got banned 2 weeks for "Trolling in multiple threads, a long history of trolling".

And its like

fucking HUH?

When the post I got banned over was literally me complaining about how "People keep calling me a concern troll because I have criticisms, which is bullshit."
I'm also not sure what a "Long history" is when I've never received a warning once before? And what counts as "trolling", is posting a tongue in cheek funny hee hee haw haw even in the same spirit as purposefully being mean and disingenuous?


Good moderation absolutely goes beyond policing obviously shitty posts - If they want good discourse it starts with them and how they guide and inform discussion before it gets to a point of what is perceived as ban-worthy.

LONG AND RELENTLESS

[benjipwns]

User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissive rhetoric in a sensitive discussion.

It's honestly very tiring seeing gaming side make the same shitty joke when people post a thread in the wrong section.

ExCuSe mE iS ThIS a nEW ViDEogAmE?!!?!

It’s an almost 20 year old tradition of this community. If you don’t want people to make the joke then make sure you’re posting in the right forum.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

True, the bar just keeps moving. The offense becomes milder and milder but the punishments stay the same

Its their insane abuse of the transitive property once again:

A lesbian says its normal for a lesbian to not want to date someone with a dick <- transphobic
J.K.Rowling likes a different tweet by that person <- therefore transphobic
JKR then gets harrassed by people on twitter, and defends herself <- therefore transphobic
JKR writes a blogpost saying these people are fucking pieces of shit <- therefore transphobic
A large games studio working on a project under licence continue working on their AAA title <- therefore transphobic
People looking forward to playing that game based on what they know about it say so <- therefore transphobic

Wanting to discuss any part of the above chain as not being transphobic is also therefore transphobic

[benjipwns]

User Banned (2 months): dismissing concerns surrounding racism, prior ban for inflammatory generalizations surrounding race

Everybody here saying they know what's best for the black members of the Skullgirls community and the black members of the FGC whilst ignoring what they're saying need to take a step back. It's the classic era "We need to listen to black people... Oh, no, not those black people" The black members of the communities Mike's involved in are the most important people to listen to here.

Which isn't to say he shouldn't catch an Evo ban after they talk to the community. But suggesting something like cutting Skullgirls from Evo in the name of black rights, when a large amount of the top players are black, is just punishing black people for something a Jewish guy said 8 years after his game was released. Do something like ban Mike and make a donation to BLM charities and you get a positive outcome from this.

[Uncle]

True, the bar just keeps moving. The offense becomes milder and milder but the punishments stay the same

Its their insane abuse of the transitive property once again:

A lesbian says its normal for a lesbian to not want to date someone with a dick <- transphobic
J.K.Rowling likes a different tweet by that person <- therefore transphobic
JKR then gets harrassed by people on twitter, and defends herself <- therefore transphobic
JKR writes a blogpost saying these people are fucking pieces of shit <- therefore transphobic
A large games studio working on a project under licence continue working on their AAA title <- therefore transphobic
People looking forward to playing that game based on what they know about it say so <- therefore transphobic

Wanting to discuss any part of the above chain as not being transphobic is also therefore transphobic

they just don't take the final step:

continuing to post on a forum like it's no big deal where a number of users suspiciously look forward to a harry potter game <- therefore transphobic

[VomKriege]

User banned (duration pending): long and relentless history of modwhining and hostility towards staff

And mods

For real, especially this one for me

On the flipside, have you ever assumed that someone's different opinion than yours was trolling and immediately accused the other member of doing so?

I was upset about a video game in a thread that got locked. People in another thread started talking about the locked thread, so I responded with how I felt.
Got banned 2 weeks for "Trolling in multiple threads, a long history of trolling".

And its like

fucking HUH?

When the post I got banned over was literally me complaining about how "People keep calling me a concern troll because I have criticisms, which is bullshit."
I'm also not sure what a "Long history" is when I've never received a warning once before? And what counts as "trolling", is posting a tongue in cheek funny hee hee haw haw even in the same spirit as purposefully being mean and disingenuous?


Good moderation absolutely goes beyond policing obviously shitty posts - If they want good discourse it starts with them and how they guide and inform discussion before it gets to a point of what is perceived as ban-worthy.

LONG AND RELENTLESS

I love that half a dozen messages below you have

Gimme a sec and I'll try to address the OP

 

[VomKriege]

There's a difference between drive-bys and "drive-bys." Yes, I know that doesn't make sense, but hear me out.

While we generally discourage things like thread-shitting (for lack of a better term), tbh there are times where it just happens and makes sense. If weekend-era makes a thread about their specific shitting style, I don't think I could bring myself to ban someone who simply responds with "lmao."

That really clarify things, thanks !
 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Good post/username.

their followup post is though, having topics that only minorities are allowed to post in as a solution

Imagine advocating sharing of personal details on an internet forum.

[HaughtyFrank]

Good post/username.

their followup post is though, having topics that only minorities are allowed to post in as a solution

Imagine advocating sharing of personal details on an internet forum.

"How Resetera became the first truly inclusive internet forum by segregating its user base by race, sexuality and gender"

[BisMarckie]

The Bore welcomes you regardless how gay you are. You better be gay though.

[cosmicblizzard]

True, the bar just keeps moving. The offense becomes milder and milder but the punishments stay the same

Its their insane abuse of the transitive property once again:

A lesbian says its normal for a lesbian to not want to date someone with a dick <- transphobic
J.K.Rowling likes a different tweet by that person <- therefore transphobic
JKR then gets harrassed by people on twitter, and defends herself <- therefore transphobic
JKR writes a blogpost saying these people are fucking pieces of shit <- therefore transphobic
A large games studio working on a project under licence continue working on their AAA title <- therefore transphobic
People looking forward to playing that game based on what they know about it say so <- therefore transphobic

Wanting to discuss any part of the above chain as not being transphobic is also therefore transphobic

they just don't take the final step:

continuing to post on a forum like it's no big deal where a number of users suspiciously look forward to a harry potter game <- therefore transphobic

I'm actually starting to consider the possibility that they really do take the final step and ban popular properties from discussion if there's something problematic about them.  I figured there'd be no way it would happen as it would be a massive hit to traffic and revenue, but it's either that or the trans community making a thread about how unsafe they feel there every month or two and I doubt they'd stick around forever if nothing changes.

Like the things they're complaining about are incompatible with Era in its current form.  They would have to overhaul the site and make it specifically a space for marginalized gamers.  As long as white straight cis male gamers are the majority of the userbase, people are going to post ignorant and tone-deaf stuff from the perspective of marginalized groups because that's just how humans work.  If that doesn't mesh with the worldview of these users who expect everything to be perfect, and those same users are the ones calling the shots, then the site ain't surviving in its current form.

[benjipwns]

They know, maybe not on an intellectual level, but instinctively that that would cause a spiral where the users fight even more for the power to cancel everything they don't like. They'd have to setup clear hierarchies and that goes against their actual standards of preferring who they like personally versus an actual progressive stack system. They don't actually want to have to do the legwork on whether users are black or trans or whatever as anyone can just claim it.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-there-any-way-for-democrats-to-win-over-rural-white-voters.239206/page-2

Is there any way for Democrats to win over rural white voters?

*thread full of bashing rural white voters*

GG

[BikeJesus]

Ree is finally trying to cancel R*. I called this shit out last year:

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=46206.msg2685695#msg2685695

Still waiting for Ree to cancel Rockstar for their transphobia.

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[Sideshow Raheem]

Always felt this was a game that’d be great to experience while portable - gives me something to keep busy while my girlfriend is in the other room with her dates

 

yooo....... where's the link to this at?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/first-look-at-crysis-on-switch.239077/post-38555590

Dates as in we have an open relationship

The game looks great though, I’m sure the screens don’t do it proper justice. Hope the battery life and frame rate holds up. 

Yeah, hope the batter life holds up because Tyrone is coming over later and he doesn't let up for hours.

We can only hope to find a love (and battery) this durable.

Thank you for the laughs. 

[Nintex]

I'll give ERA some credit, they are better than most game sites in not tolerating gamerbro casual "ironic" bigotry.

Its not a contest. Better or not marginalized people on this forum are still hurting cause of the community.

EVERYBODY HURRRRRTS

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

They know, maybe not on an intellectual level, but instinctively that that would cause a spiral where the users fight even more for the power to cancel everything they don't like. They'd have to setup clear hierarchies and that goes against their actual standards of preferring who they like personally versus an actual progressive stack system. They don't actually want to have to do the legwork on whether users are black or trans or whatever as anyone can just claim it.

the absolute stupidest, worst thing about their bullshit is that's its not even their own bullshit.

Some fucking clickbaiter or some fucking bluetick will post some shit or other, and they'll adopt it as a canonical tenet, start evangelising it and persecuting those who disagree or are unaware.

It would be one thing if they had an original idea, presented it for discussion, then got hot when they couldn't defend it, but that's not even what happens.
They just scream heresy if some shit they read while taking a dump gets challenged.

[benjipwns]

It looks nice. Is this game fun?

Absolutely. If you enjoyed, say, Killzone Shadow Fall, I think you'd enjoy Crysis.

okay thanks

[recursivelyenumerable]

Cheebs is there, you know he’s reporting any post about leftists or anyone who says neoliberalism is bad.

If neoliberalism is so great, why isn't there a Liberalism III?

[HaughtyFrank]

This thread is locked while we review reports

Still locked   

[DJ Bedroom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/should-a-6-year-old-play-fortnite.239587/
Which account do you think is Jack Thompson's

[BisMarckie]

As a father of a 4 year old, 6 is a little young IMO to be playing a game that involves guns and killing. Even if its extremely cartoony representation.

The only games that my son watches or plays currently is Animal Crossing with his mom and sometimes Sonic with me.

Call CPS now!

[benjipwns]

Definitely NO.

the problem is not the shooting. It’s not even the mics.

the real problem is the game is designed from top to bottom to transform that children into a compulsive addict, to win (suffering panic not good for children because every other person in that isle is going to kill you) and to adquire digital assets like skins and dance moves.

I’m not joking.

[benjipwns]

Not just that, but the game allows the user to target women or minority NPCs if they wish. The game itself doesn't actually tell the person to do the targeting- it just lets them.

[benjipwns]

wow LCGeek is still around and still defending the GameCube against the Xbox? https://www.resetera.com/threads/biggest-leap-graphically-from-a-dev-during-a-single-gen.238951/post-38609698

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/speaking-of-trans-issues-lets-talk-about-racism-and-the-general-disregard-of-brands-when-we-call-them-out-for-it.239539

Hiya gaming era it is i the spookiest motherfucker you ever met who also made a thread just today about trans issues in eras community. (Im not exactly great at making threads )

Pride Month may be over but these problems still exist and the scope goes beyond just the lgbtq community.

I'm coming here to talk about some unpleasant things I've noticed in general on this forum regarding racism and general bigotry (including transphobia) in regards to games like the last of us 2(naughty dog), cyberpunk(cd project red), Harry Potter (JKRollings), Gta5(rockstar), and steam. I want to discuss this and say that I am appalled and upset at the lack of regard for the minority communities on era and that we need to do better as a community. When threads like the tf2 racist bot thread happened or the other thread regarding valves inaction on racist community's. I saw so many jump in defending the brands and companies for inexcusable behavior. So many posts obscuring or downright down downplaying incensitive posts. While staff has been banning as many bad actors as they can it is up to us as a community to realize the major wrong that has occured here as a result. I'd like to point out that while reports help it isn't enough and these people usually don't learn their lesson and continue to act like bigots. I suggest we call these people out for what their doing and to be more mindful of the minority communities on era who have been completely marginalized as a result. When trans people speak up about problems with games we should listen. When someone in the community highlights racism in the industry we should accept that brands we like have faults and that they deserve criticism.

It's frustrating that I have to make these threads when I know as a community we should be doing better. That said I just hope some of you agree with me regarding this issue. If you want some examples I suggest looking at the Harry Potter thread with the poll.
The recent gta5 thread about transphobia.
The racism in tf2 thread and the other thread about racism in the steam community's.
Edit:I will be adding links for the sake of sanity. And also just to help this discussion better apologies.

Links
GTA5 example.
The bot thread about tf2
The original avelanch thread with drive by posts being excited for the game despite criticism.
The colonialism thread hooboy this one was rough for so many reasons. So many drive by posts alot of racism and denial of any wrongdoings.
That Harry Potter poll thread
The cyberpunk gender thread full of dismissive posts about gender identity not being a big deal.
The naughty dog thread full of defenders of Nadine being voiced by a white person
A thinly veiled troll thread about "unlawful"bannings that were super justified.

[Snoopycat_]

Should probably sticky that on the front page so the brains of Ree can finally solve transphobia and racism

[benjipwns]

This might sound surprising, but even as an admin, I feel very dejected and even depressed by the attitudes displayed at times. As someone who's been on the team since very early on, I *have* noticed somewhat of a culture shift for the better when it comes to discussing minority issues over the years, but... that kind of just speaks to how bad it was before, more than anything else. I hope that in time that the culture will shift enough that it truly becomes a space where women and minorities can feel comfortable. That means staff have to continue to improve, but yeah, it'll take a conscious effort and empathy from the community as well. More than anything, I just want to say that I feel where you're coming from, that it sucks a lot, and I'm sorry.

This is actually how moderation was like at first. It did not work. Many people were happy to take a warning, or short ban, if it meant they could JAQ off or even overtly troll women and minorities (including the staff themselves, I've seen it happening in real time). Furthermore, I don't think you realise how absolutely daunting this shit is. Even for minority staff who have the power to ban members. Minorities are called minorities for a reason. The majority of this forum are white, cis het men. It's not fair to the minority and marginalised members to have to constantly explain things to the dismissive and often in bad faith privileged members. And yes, a lot of it is awfully dismissive. More often than not, responses to sensitive concerns are rude, dismissive and even hostile, when it doesn't need to be this way at all. It doesn't cost you anything at all to be more sensitive when approaching these kinds of discussions, even if you're ignorant. There are many issues that I am not knowledgeable on, but I sit back and read and learn in those cases.

No one takes pleasure from banning people. I certainly don't, at least. In an ideal forum, these bans wouldn't have to happen at all. But this forum is far from perfect, and without the moderation, it would be far worse. So in short, your approach sadly just does not work in practice.

stost annihilated

[BlackBuzzard]

I mean, the game is portraying bad people. Grand Theft Auto has always been that. Rockstar has shown with Red Dead they create likable, morally ambiguous characters so it's not like this is some oversight. I just don't think murderers and thieves are going to draw the line at being transphobic. It would be a bit more jarring if Michael, a boomer-type horrible man, was just like "Oh sorry, I didn't mean to misgender you." That's not him. You're supposed to go "Jesus, this guy's an asshole."

I do think the actual trans NPCs could be represented in the world a bit better but at the same time, this is a world where EVERYONE is portrayed poorly. Cops, citizens, etc etc. They're not really singling any one out.

 

Cya dude, you dared to use logic.