Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[Drainage]

The ponytail completely undermines the point that those that were being dismissive were making. "Protection."

Good job to all of you.

Yup. Case closed. Anyone suggesting that lady fighters wear their hair in certain ways for good reason can slink off shamefully now. Should probably ban 'em for a week or two anyway. Racist shits.

Link.

So female characters can’t have “utilitarian” styles if other, non-utilitarian styles are available? Noted.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

The entire point of white women doing mma with braids like that is there's nothing to grab onto and yank. Guess what you can do with a ponytail? It literally defeats the entire purpose of it as a protective harstyle.

You want the pony tail high up on the head so its not around your neck area making it harder to escape when somebody is choaking you. Grabbing on to hair is a foul, so if the ref is paying attention, having it stick up off your head like that shouldn't be a problem.

[nobody of note]

And there's a whole lot more

This exchange is pretty great:

I get that part, and that makes the skin inaccurate to the sport, which is a failure on Blizzard's part. Though probably it was an artistic decision involved here.

Or is this a case where if it were more accurate it'd be less offensive?

Also, it's braids not cornrows.

....

Mei has cornrows, which is a type of braid.

My bad, I didn't even know what cornrows were.

User banned (permanent): Concern trolling in a thread about cultural appropriation

One day they'll work up the courage to just put the ban reason as "having the wrong opinion."

Also this B-Dubs post hasn't caught any flack yet but it feels primed to.

The entire point of white women doing mma with braids like that is there's nothing to grab onto and yank. Guess what you can do with a ponytail? It literally defeats the entire purpose of it as a protective harstyle.

Chinese character with a skin apparently based on a Chinese MMA fighter and he's specifying white women. A normal-ass poster doing that would get ban hammered for Asian erasure.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I get how women can be into it, but grown men way into Disney are sus af.

I mean... I don't want to go too far down the 'unwarranted aspersions' route, but from his follow up post:

I got the Jedi tunic and a custom lightsaber, and damn it feels cool just to walk around and soak it up. I always wear it with the rainbow Mickey ears to trigger the bigots lmao.

I bet its a real fucking treat for normies when he comes gallumphing over to their kids 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The conversation is about cultural appropriation and the optics of giving non-black characters black hairstyles before actually adding any female black characters to the game.

A disused military robot reprogrammed and customised by a Nigerian girl genius is a million fucking times better as a character and in having diversity than the sassy "OH NO YOU DI'N'T" Cole Train with tits and an afro you era fucks think would be 'representation'

[BIONIC]

B-CHUDS the racist still trying to pay reparations 

[Propagandhim]

Nobody has to justify with some pseudo-sophisticated utilitarian philosophy why someone of one race can have the same hairstyle as a person of another race.  Especially of a kind that has gone back to the 5th century BC.  You have to ignore these people.  There's no other way to move forward than to ignore them.

[Nintex]

*Adam Curtis voice*

"These were not the staunch communists of the 50's, the flower power movement of the 70's or even the third way liberals of the 90's. Instead an entire new far more dangerous breed of activist who claimed to be left emerged.
They had strange arbitrary rules and behaviours. They would often visit Walt Disney theme parks carrying concealed fire arms to protect themselves against imaginary foes. They would go on the internet to debate about the portrayal of females in video games and movies, demanding they be covered up and not what they called 'sexualized' for the purpose of the 'male gaze'. They claimed cancel culture did not exist while driving people to suicide over minior disagreements. Some of them were told they couldn't consume certain products and media because those did not match their values, yet the people who told them this received the same products at no cost and consumed it anyway. Perhaps the most dangerous of all their corruption and insanity was the constant need for racial conflict and divisiveness. People were divided into classes, genders and races. Once you were marked one way or the other there was nothing you could do to avoid being cancelled. It was also paramount you 'stay in your own lane' only commenting on issues that concerned your group and not what they called 'appropriating culture' through hair styles, clothing or the use of particular words and phrases. These rules could change at any minute leaving people with no means to learn or adapt to new regulations. The only entities seemingly not critized by this group and protected by their leadership at all times were the Chinese Communist Party and Walt Disney. Both of whom denied ever having interacted with the group or endorsing them."

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/philadelphia-inquirer-a-delaware-county-man-admitted-he-cast-an-illegal-ballot-for-ex-president-trump-and-gets-sentenced-to-probation.419037/

And what about..
https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/fighting-voter-suppression/crystal-mason-thought-she-had-right-vote-texas

She didn't take the deal for probation.

[Jansen]

"While there is a conversation to have around MMA fighters and the hairstyles they choose to use for utilitarian purposes, this thread is not about that. The design may have been based off an MMA fighter, but the character is not an MMA fighter.

The conversation is about cultural appropriation and the optics of giving non-black characters black hairstyles before actually adding any female black characters to the game.

Please do not dismiss the legitimate concerns that black members have with moves like this"

It's not about what it is literally about because mei isn't an mma fighter

I wonder how these soft bastards make it through each day

Could you imagine trying to explain the issue here to someone irl

[Uncle]

what black person is so soft and sensitive as to say "this shook me to my core, the chinese should NOT be wearing their hair this way, this makes a mockery out of our pain and struggle and how dare they"

[samir]

what black person is so soft and sensitive as to say "this shook me to my core, the chinese should NOT be wearing their hair this way, this makes a mockery out of our pain and struggle and how dare they"

[HaughtyFrank]

Ironically it's pretty appropriating to say that this is an exclusively black hairstyle that's unique to black culture

[Snoopycat_]

Its a bit weird that Blizzard chose Weili as a model when she just had her head kicked in by a white chick with a skinhead.

[Potato]

The rabidity of their insistence that braids are an exclusively black hairstyle is something that I will never understand.

It's fucking wrong and completely mental.

[nobody of note]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/overwatchs-new-mei-skin-draws-criticism-for-cultural-appropriation-read-staff-post.418638/post-64064448

Yes really.

Anyone could easily just grab her existing ponytail in a real fight. As such, there's no need to actually braid her hair down: you can pull loose hair into a ponytail and receive the same practical result. Loose hair, if pulled back hard enough, will stay in a ponytail. I've had permed hair for the majority of my life, including during my short fighting stint. I know how this works.

But methinks no one thought of that because it was more of a mad dash to dismiss Black folks and the anonymous-yet-ever-convenient Twitter wokescolds than it was to actually have a meaningful discussion.

So again, good job.

You say that but every fighter I've seen wear hair pulled back into a ponytail eventually has their hair get loose.

"Examples"

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Maybe training a little bit at your local gym doesn't make you an expert on proper hair technique in a ring? Or are these professionals just doing it wrong?

Nepenthe has posted repeatedly since, including this whole meltdown, but has not addressed this post at all. TraBuch is somehow not yet banned, despite taking a run directly at a mod.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

A hair style is appropriation but the fact that MMA is built mostly off Asain martial arts isn't.

[D3RANG3D]

Its a bit weird that Blizzard chose Weili as a model when she just had her head kicked in by a white chick with a skinhead.

 

[anime tits]

can they just come out and admit the site got dumped off on some weird black people that wild out about cornrows but are fuckin gone when anything other than black or M to F trans issues come up

"so uh y'all uh know any good places to donate to them asian people"  45 posts

edit: Not that they have to be everything to all people, but they tried and are just lucky that nobody who hates them for the right reasons gives enough of a shit to put together the receipts about how performative the site is.

there it is, The Whole Ass
https://www.resetera.com/threads/overwatchs-new-mei-skin-draws-criticism-for-cultural-appropriation-read-staff-post.418638/page-7#post-64076379

[Drainage]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hot-take-may-the-first-be-with-you-sounds-better-than-may-the-fourth.419088/#post-64076874

my go-to joke for every day in may is to say sommit like "may the thirteenth be with you"

its a very bad joke that i love

We have fun

[Boredfrom]

Is this the promised race war of black people vs East Asian people?

[anime tits]

Is this the promised race war of black people vs East Asian people?

whoever wins, i hope they procreate a lot with the other side

blasian girls 

[Borealis]

The rabidity of their insistence that braids are an exclusively black hairstyle is something that I will never understand.

It's fucking wrong and completely mental.

Whole topic and lame PC Gamer article would've been moved on like it deserves until admin/mods decided otherwise. Hell of an emotional investment every time I must say.

The line that "no cornrows before black representation" because the "amounts to cultural appropriation" argument fell flat is beyond stupid.

[Switters]

"My short fighting stint"

4' 2" isn't a stint.

[anime tits]

the 3 current kinds of resetera threads
-hairstyle [SEE MOD POST] [SEE STICKIED POST] [READ OP] [LOCKED FOR CLEANUP SWEEP] [MANDATORY EDUCATION INSIDE]

-I am fat, i eat lots of chips, make the most vanilla ass jokes which are the only thing that can survive as some form of humor on that board, and i have a dog avatar

-ngl man that time jean grey walked in on Cyclops masturbating over his dead mom's grave was wack af, yeah that actually happened bruh

[Supermanisdead]

-ngl man that time jean grey walked in on Cyclops masturbating over his dead mom's grave was wack af, yeah that actually happened bruh

actually that never happened

[anime tits]

-ngl man that time jean grey walked in on Cyclops masturbating over his dead mom's grave was wack af, yeah that actually happened bruh

actually that never happened

 
Alright but lemme tell y'all about the time Vision went to a sperm bank

[clothedmacuser]

But she knows MMA.

She does Capoeira

[Boredfrom]

-ngl man that time jean grey walked in on Cyclops masturbating over his dead mom's grave was wack af, yeah that actually happened bruh

actually that never happened

He kissed Emma Frost over her grave, thought. (And somehow it saved the world or something).

[Nintex]

"While there is a conversation to have around MMA fighters and the hairstyles they choose to use for utilitarian purposes, this thread is not about that. The design may have been based off an MMA fighter, but the character is not an MMA fighter.

The conversation is about cultural appropriation and the optics of giving non-black characters black hairstyles before actually adding any female black characters to the game.

Please do not dismiss the legitimate concerns that black members have with moves like this"

It's not about what it is literally about because mei isn't an mma fighter

I wonder how these soft bastards make it through each day

Could you imagine trying to explain the issue here to someone irl

Unfortunately these issues are bleeding into reality, activism and government regulation. We know about the directors and CEO's getting "caught" but I bet there's a big number of unknown artists and salary men on the pay roll losing their jobs over shit like this and they might not even know why.

[Pissy F Benny]

dang, going by the reaction you'd think it's they've given a character and al jolson skin and not the most common and practical for a long haired cage fighter

[Pissy F Benny]

whats next? freaking out because some white celeb wears some timberlands or Jordans

[team filler]

https://www.neogaf.com/members/team-filler.87862/



 

[Nintex]

Unban filler and I will DM him some scoops 

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/low-tier-god-fgc-banned-from-future-tournaments-cpt-for-transphobic-rant-against-ceroblast-ceroblast-also-banned-for-racism.186612/page-15#post-64106871

.   “Black culture made me do it” and “you guys have to tell us to stop”. I fuckin swear I’m sick of other races always trying to make it black folks responsibility to make them not say or do stupid fuckin shit.

Okay, fair enough. I dunno about the use of “other races” but...

Man I wish Wakanda was real. Would beg them to take me in

 

Also, did we see the same film were Wakanda was basically a ethnostate?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Well this is gonna give the usual suspects a lot of shitty ammo

Curious that that's your initial concern.

honorary mention to:

There has to be more nuance to this than the excerpt lets on.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I think we all need to look at home and look at stuff happening now and perhaps understand nothing much has changed.

I see the furry community showing face on era often and on the surface yeah there’s just people who enjoy dressing up as favourite characters etc. Then you see the likes of that All Gas No Brakes video where clearly some members of this community are extremely vulnerable suffering huge mental health crises and putting themselves in danger.

You dare say the kink is a bit extreme and you get defenders blasting you for criticising their kink. I remember back in the 2000’s and the puritanical lot would call MM a Satan worshipper or whatever. They were crazy but ultimately not far off either. Back then people defended these kinks too. So I’m not gonna sit here and allow others to tel me their kink is acceptable when I know for a fact in ten years time there will be all sorts of “Me Too” stories around the furry community.

Ban me if you must.

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User banned (permanent): concern trolling regarding sexual assault, conflating abuse with kinks, inappropriate and inflammatory comparisons with the furry fandom, previous severe bans for anti-Semitism

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[HaughtyFrank]

Well this is gonna give the usual suspects a lot of shitty ammo

Curious that that's your initial concern.

(Image removed from quote.)

honorary mention to:

There has to be more nuance to this than the excerpt lets on.

The victim's profession and her comments about police should have no bearing on the crime, and it is a crime to drink and drive and kiil someone.
It's a sign of the times and regretful both were mentioned in the OP's news article.

Imagine thinking it's bad that a news article mentions that she made comments about the police an hour before she literally killed a cop. Exchange cops with any other group and this would have been just as noteworthy

[Propagandhim]

I think we all need to look at home and look at stuff happening now and perhaps understand nothing much has changed.

I see the furry community showing face on era often and on the surface yeah there’s just people who enjoy dressing up as favourite characters etc. Then you see the likes of that All Gas No Brakes video where clearly some members of this community are extremely vulnerable suffering huge mental health crises and putting themselves in danger.

You dare say the kink is a bit extreme and you get defenders blasting you for criticising their kink. I remember back in the 2000’s and the puritanical lot would call MM a Satan worshipper or whatever. They were crazy but ultimately not far off either. Back then people defended these kinks too. So I’m not gonna sit here and allow others to tel me their kink is acceptable when I know for a fact in ten years time there will be all sorts of “Me Too” stories around the furry community.

Ban me if you must.

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User banned (permanent): concern trolling regarding sexual assault, conflating abuse with kinks, inappropriate and inflammatory comparisons with the furry fandom, previous severe bans for anti-Semitism

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Previous severe bans for anti-semitism.  But the permanent one comes from talking shit about furries.   :nepenthe

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Imagine thinking it's bad that a news article mentions that she made comments about the police an hour before she literally killed a cop. Exchange cops with any other group and this would have been just as noteworthy

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THIS DEATH IS THAT IT MAKES MY TEAM LOOK BAD

[mormapope]

I think we all need to look at home and look at stuff happening now and perhaps understand nothing much has changed.

I see the furry community showing face on era often and on the surface yeah there’s just people who enjoy dressing up as favourite characters etc. Then you see the likes of that All Gas No Brakes video where clearly some members of this community are extremely vulnerable suffering huge mental health crises and putting themselves in danger.

You dare say the kink is a bit extreme and you get defenders blasting you for criticising their kink. I remember back in the 2000’s and the puritanical lot would call MM a Satan worshipper or whatever. They were crazy but ultimately not far off either. Back then people defended these kinks too. So I’m not gonna sit here and allow others to tel me their kink is acceptable when I know for a fact in ten years time there will be all sorts of “Me Too” stories around the furry community.

Ban me if you must.

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User banned (permanent): concern trolling regarding sexual assault, conflating abuse with kinks, inappropriate and inflammatory comparisons with the furry fandom, previous severe bans for anti-Semitism

[close]

Previous severe bans for anti-semitism.  But the permanent one comes from talking shit about furries.   :nepenthe

We're gonna need hotter ovens to burn through all those costumes.

[Boredfrom]

There is already a lot of Me Too stories about furries. The white washing on Era can only do too much.

[thetylerrob]

 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nyc-woman-charged-in-crash-that-killed-officer-livestreamed-herself-drinking-hours-before.419265/

Too bad she didn't post on Era, she could have had Nepenthe check her BAC before she drove.

[BadAss2961]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-5-year-old-just-beat-bloodborne-an-interview.418998/

Thread is full of members horrified by guy letting his kid play Bloodborne. He also throws casual shade at 'easy mode' beggars, making him scum of the Earth on planet Ree.

First of all, Bloodborne ain't shit. Kid'll be fine... Second, if FROM or other devs wanted an easy mode in their games, they'd include them. Obviously they don't.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/overwatchs-new-mei-skin-draws-criticism-for-cultural-appropriation-read-staff-post.418638/post-64064448

Yes really.

Anyone could easily just grab her existing ponytail in a real fight. As such, there's no need to actually braid her hair down: you can pull loose hair into a ponytail and receive the same practical result. Loose hair, if pulled back hard enough, will stay in a ponytail. I've had permed hair for the majority of my life, including during my short fighting stint. I know how this works.

But methinks no one thought of that because it was more of a mad dash to dismiss Black folks and the anonymous-yet-ever-convenient Twitter wokescolds than it was to actually have a meaningful discussion.

So again, good job.

You say that but every fighter I've seen wear hair pulled back into a ponytail eventually has their hair get loose.

"Examples"

[close]

Maybe training a little bit at your local gym doesn't make you an expert on proper hair technique in a ring? Or are these professionals just doing it wrong?

Nepenthe has posted repeatedly since, including this whole meltdown, but has not addressed this post at all. TraBuch is somehow not yet banned, despite taking a run directly at a mod.

User Banned (1 Week): Mansplaining, condescending rhetoric in a sensitive thread?

They're not sure?

[Pissy F Benny]

ree mods should start being being straight up in their ban messages and say someone has been banned for having g the wrong opinion etc instead of using their weird brand of word salad imo

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I know the lil lady who wrote that ban message isn't the greatest with words and thinking and such, but sweetie, mansplaining is condescending rhetoric; you don't put ice cream and whipped cream on the apple pie, right hun?

[BadAss2961]

Mansplaining doesn't even work in that context since it's not a gender exclusive issue. Male or female, it's common for fighters with long hair to braid up. As such, it's very possible that poster didn't even know he was responding to a woman.

[Switters]

I think we all need to look at home and look at stuff happening now and perhaps understand nothing much has changed.

I see the furry community showing face on era often and on the surface yeah there’s just people who enjoy dressing up as favourite characters etc. Then you see the likes of that All Gas No Brakes video where clearly some members of this community are extremely vulnerable suffering huge mental health crises and putting themselves in danger.

You dare say the kink is a bit extreme and you get defenders blasting you for criticising their kink. I remember back in the 2000’s and the puritanical lot would call MM a Satan worshipper or whatever. They were crazy but ultimately not far off either. Back then people defended these kinks too. So I’m not gonna sit here and allow others to tel me their kink is acceptable when I know for a fact in ten years time there will be all sorts of “Me Too” stories around the furry community.

Ban me if you must.

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User banned (permanent): concern trolling regarding sexual assault, conflating abuse with kinks, inappropriate and inflammatory comparisons with the furry fandom, previous severe bans for anti-Semitism

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Mans got straight up Furry Gordo'd.

[Transhuman]

I think we all need to look at home and look at stuff happening now and perhaps understand nothing much has changed.

I see the furry community showing face on era often and on the surface yeah there’s just people who enjoy dressing up as favourite characters etc. Then you see the likes of that All Gas No Brakes video where clearly some members of this community are extremely vulnerable suffering huge mental health crises and putting themselves in danger.

You dare say the kink is a bit extreme and you get defenders blasting you for criticising their kink. I remember back in the 2000’s and the puritanical lot would call MM a Satan worshipper or whatever. They were crazy but ultimately not far off either. Back then people defended these kinks too. So I’m not gonna sit here and allow others to tel me their kink is acceptable when I know for a fact in ten years time there will be all sorts of “Me Too” stories around the furry community.

Ban me if you must.

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User banned (permanent): concern trolling regarding sexual assault, conflating abuse with kinks, inappropriate and inflammatory comparisons with the furry fandom, previous severe bans for anti-Semitism

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Previous severe bans for anti-semitism.  But the permanent one comes from talking shit about furries.   :nepenthe

warning: severe anti-semitism

User warned: Do not invoke Nazi comparisons in this topic. Many analogies are available to you, but not that one.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israeli-idf-sniper-cut-on-video-murdering-14-year-old-palestinian-boy-presenting-no-danger-read-op.55272/page-2#post-10372399

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[BIONIC]

:filler    :filler

[nobody of note]

They're not sure?

TBH I just read it as they were going to ban him for mansplaining, then realized "Oh shit what if a woman comes in after the ban to back up this position?" so threw in condescending to provide ass-covering if any woman dare speak up.

Since, you know, nobody wants to deal directly with the point listed. Nepenthe too busy engaging in basically subtweet-style responses.

[Don Rumata]

I remember back in the 2000’s and the puritanical lot would call MM a Satan worshipper or whatever. They were crazy but ultimately not far off either.

I don't get this reasoning though.
A broken clock is right twice a day, but the key factor in Manson's case wasn't his (lol) satanism.
It was his being a rich powerful celebrity that didn't need to give a shit about any repercussion.
In the last few years we got PLENTY of examples to corroborate this thesis, with music/cinema stars and politicians alike engaging in all sort of shit, without the need of a kinky persona to back up that behavior.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/overwatchs-new-mei-skin-draws-criticism-for-cultural-appropriation-read-staff-post.418638/post-64064448

Yes really.

Anyone could easily just grab her existing ponytail in a real fight. As such, there's no need to actually braid her hair down: you can pull loose hair into a ponytail and receive the same practical result. Loose hair, if pulled back hard enough, will stay in a ponytail. I've had permed hair for the majority of my life, including during my short fighting stint. I know how this works.

But methinks no one thought of that because it was more of a mad dash to dismiss Black folks and the anonymous-yet-ever-convenient Twitter wokescolds than it was to actually have a meaningful discussion.

So again, good job.

You say that but every fighter I've seen wear hair pulled back into a ponytail eventually has their hair get loose.

"Examples"

[close]

Maybe training a little bit at your local gym doesn't make you an expert on proper hair technique in a ring? Or are these professionals just doing it wrong?

Nepenthe has posted repeatedly since, including this whole meltdown, but has not addressed this post at all. TraBuch is somehow not yet banned, despite taking a run directly at a mod.

User Banned (1 Week): Mansplaining, condescending rhetoric in a sensitive thread?

They're not sure?

The gall to complain about condescending rhetoric when he was responding to this:

But methinks no one thought of that because it was more of a mad dash to dismiss Black folks and the anonymous-yet-ever-convenient Twitter wokescolds than it was to actually have a meaningful discussion.

So again, good job.

Fucking hell it's now a permanent ban

User Banned (Permanent): Mansplaining, condescending rhetoric in a sensitive thread, misusing the ticket system to troll

[anime tits]

somebody tell them that before neogaf attempted to explain their moderation policy with an ethos, something that directly lead to the downfall of the site, mods just banned people for fun and banned often, but the ban messages were fun for the end user too.  they were more of a challenge -- something you had to just sit there and think of comebacks for when your alt finally got approved.

This fuckin place bans you and is like "IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE SEXIST" or "IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE RACIST" 

Can't imagine that's good for the numbers considering how many false positive bans they seem to be doing lately. 

along with the whole "mods hating asians and only black issues are important, even our hairstyles are more important than human life" thing

I'd say someone could easily set up a heist like they did with Neogaf, but nobody wants this fuckin crowd 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Fucking hell it's now a permanent ban

User Banned (Permanent): Mansplaining, condescending rhetoric in a sensitive thread, misusing the ticket system to troll

Just an excuse to get rid of the question mark.

[Potato]

Just as a social experiment, I would love to see how that community would function if you picked a random selection of 10 Boreians to moderate it for a month.

[Lonewulfeus]

So all of the Boreians then?

[Nintex]

something you had to just sit there and think of comebacks for when your alt finally got approved.

Bishoptl already gave out those 'u r racist derp' bans long before Ree did.

Ree simply took what was started on NeoGAF and turned it up to 11.
In fact, some of the prolific and even less prolific posters modeled themselves after other (Neo)GAF members like Chris1964 and others they ran off the board.
Most of the copy cats are extremely lame and don't nearly have the same resources/insights/humor as those they try to LARP as.

In my brief stint on ResetEra that is what struck me the most, that there was this new group that had taken over thread making or sales age duties and they all sucked.
Still if someone else tried to start a thread, conversations or dared to question their 'knowledge' they would be dogpiled to hell and back.